[01:52] <snap-l> Hello, everyone
[02:00] <brousch> yo
[02:00] <jjesse> yo yo
[02:01] <snap-l> I guess we can call the meeting to order
[02:01] <snap-l> hello, order.
[02:01] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/349/detail/
[02:02] <snap-l> First off, I want to thank everyone who participated in the jam yesterday
[02:02] <snap-l> whether it was in spirit or in person. :)
[02:02] <greg-g> w00t!
[02:02] <snap-l> Overall it was interesting to see how Precise is shaping up
[02:02] <snap-l> though I'm thinking it has some issues with NVidia cards still
[02:03] <snap-l> I know brousch filed a few bugs
[02:03] <brousch> kubuntu 12.04 looked solid
[02:03] <brousch> yeah, little things
[02:03] <snap-l> I have it installed on the Asus Eee 701, which was a feat.
[02:03] <brousch> impressive
[02:04] <brousch> i seem to have taken one of your chocolat ebeers
[02:04] <snap-l> That's fine. :)
[02:04] <snap-l> I have some of your porter and ale. :)
[02:05] <snap-l> 's all good. :)
[02:05] <snap-l> They were there for sharing. :)
[02:05] <brousch> thanks for hosting. and thank jodee for putting up with us
[02:06] <brousch> it worked out really well for me
[02:06] <brousch> hey, there's the man
[02:06] <snap-l> Yeah, I think it worked out really well
[02:06] <gib> What is the topic for tonight?  Penguicon, Ubuntu 12.04 . . .
[02:07] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/349/detail/
[02:07] <snap-l> Just doing a quick recap of the jam
[02:07] <brousch> records were set
[02:08] <snap-l> Heh
[02:08] <gib> Cool. I saw no problem with Ubuntu 12.04.  Hey why don't they call it something easy to type like U1204?
[02:08] <snap-l> gib: Having trouble with Pangolin? :)
[02:09] <brousch> i'm looking forward to it
[02:09] <brousch> a good lts is such a beautiful thing
[02:10] <gib> No problems at all with U-P (Ubuntu Pangolin).
[02:10] <snap-l> OK, cool
[02:10] <gib> What kind of records?  Count of issues or what?
[02:10] <snap-l> Anything else to talk about re: the GJ?
[02:11] <gib> What is the GJ?
[02:11] <snap-l> gib: brousch was being facetious that he recorded two bugs instead of one.
[02:11] <snap-l> Global Jam
[02:11] <brousch> it was a personal record
[02:11] <gib> Ah, and I reported noen - so we are even with prior records.  Sorry.
[02:11] <gib> None.
[02:12] <snap-l> OK, without further ado, let's talk about Penguicon and the release party.
[02:12] <gib> Well I love the personal record thing.  Maybe we can post like a tribute.  You know: you can do it too. For everyone to see.
[02:13] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/raw/KyG7STPQzBHh6itrqwre/
[02:13] <gib> Did we get a clear understanding of the location in the hotel?
[02:13] <snap-l> gib: That's what I pasted.
[02:13] <snap-l> This is a note from the Penguicon Hotel Liaison
[02:14] <snap-l> I'm not sure how big the hotel bar is at the Dearborn Hyatt
[02:15] <gib> Sounds like we need to do a field trip. Date, time?
[02:15] <snap-l> My assumption is that anyone who spends their free time collecting coins also drinks heavily.
[02:15] <snap-l> (Yes, I'm somewhat kidding)
[02:15] <snap-l> So my question would be do we want to take up Penguicon's offer?
[02:16] <snap-l> I don't think we have time to take a field trip, unfortunately.
[02:16] <snap-l> My understanding is that time is of the essence.
[02:17] <brousch> take a sick day
[02:17] <snap-l> (my other question would be who all is planning on attending?)
[02:17] <gib> So, going to a bar to pay for derinks when we have purchased a all weekend long drinks free ticket to Penguicon is, umm, soo geeky.
[02:18] <snap-l> gib: Well, I don't think the free drink are out on Friday
[02:18] <gib> I plan to attend.  So can we meet in a roo party or con suite?
[02:18] <snap-l> and I see it as an act of good faith that Penguicon is thinking about us
[02:18] <snap-l> gib: I'd rather not take over the con suite
[02:19] <snap-l> that would be rude
[02:19] <gib> room party is a cool idea. U room for Ubuntu.
[02:19] <snap-l> If someone else is willing to host the room, I'd be OK with it
[02:19] <snap-l> They're $99 for a night
[02:20] <gib> Figure the cost of getting a room party together.  A bit expensive. But then we could give out those CDs all night.
[02:20] <snap-l> Well, let's focus on the offer from Penguicon for now.
[02:20] <gib> So if we kick in for the $99 ten bring in some beer how many people do we need to break even?
[02:21] <gib> Small bar: limited number of people.  an't decide until we now the capacity.
[02:22] <gib> If we fit 10 people then I'm okay with it.
[02:22] <gib> Over ten then it would be better in my opinion to get a room and split the cost of room and beer.
[02:23] <snap-l> Usually we have around 15-20 people
[02:23] <gib> Maybe we can pull in some other groups.  MUG, MDLUG, SEMCO, Wash Lug ...
[02:24] <snap-l> Usually membmers of those groups show up to the release party anyway.
[02:24] <gib> OPtimistacally, 20 people would be easy to put up a cash donation jar.
[02:24] <gib> Just need someone to collect cash and watch the beer.
[02:24] <snap-l> Actually, IIRC, that's illegal in MI.
[02:24] <snap-l> :)
[02:24] <snap-l> Liquor control commision and such
[02:25] <gib> So, then we do a pay ahead to get in system.
[02:26] <snap-l> I'm thinking the best way would be to contact the Hotel Liaison and get some more information about their proposal
[02:26] <snap-l> I'd rather not get into having a room party, as that gets into liability and such
[02:26] <gib> Yes, getting more info would make the decision easier.
[02:26] <snap-l> if you want to have a room party for each of the groups to get together on Saturday, that would be great
[02:27] <gib> Okay, how about finding someone else who is already hosting a party?
[02:27] <gib> Wow about a non-alcoholic party?
[02:28] <snap-l> OK, I'll contact Jer to get some more details about their proposal
[02:29] <snap-l> gib: Perhaps you could check with the other groups to see if they're already having something represented at Penguicon
[02:29] <snap-l> I think the GLLUG had parties in the past
[02:29] <snap-l> Not sure who to contact about that.
[02:29] <gib> Okay.  I'm headed to bed now.   See you guys later - bye bye.
[02:30] <snap-l> Laterness.
[02:31] <snap-l> Hokay then
[02:31] <snap-l> Anyone else have any opinions about the release party?
[02:32] <brousch> rock on
[02:32] <snap-l> brousch: Thanks. (whithering look)
[02:33] <snap-l> Problem is most of the people who do the release party aren't IRC regulars.
[02:33] <snap-l> And while I don't mind the idea of a room party, I'd rather not open up the group to that kind of liability / mess.
[02:34] <brousch> would get cramped
[02:34] <snap-l> And I'm not about to rush the consuite with an "official" party.
[02:34] <snap-l> they have enough problems. :)
[02:34] <brousch> what is the consuite?
[02:35] <snap-l> Essentially it's a suite that they put food and drink in
[02:35] <snap-l> generally it's crowded
[02:35] <brousch> sounds like a good place
[02:36] <snap-l> brousch: (whithering look)
[02:37] <snap-l> OK, anything else we need to discuss tonight?
[02:40] <brousch> oops
[02:46] <snap-l> OK, if there's nothing else, we can call this meeting finished.
[02:46] <snap-l> finished, get me a drink.
[02:46] <snap-l> Thanks, everyone!
[02:46] <brousch> thanks you sir!
[03:29] <rick_h_> did I miss anything?
[03:34] <rick_h_> wtf is this github thing
[03:34] <snap-l> rick_h_: ?
[03:35] <rick_h_> twitter is all over with rails, insecure defaults, github investigations, wtf
[03:36] <snap-l> rick_h_: Zed Shaw, or someone else?
[03:39] <rick_h_> I've got to trace it I guess. It's kind of all over the map. Just got home after most of the day afk
[03:40] <rick_h_> ah, http://jtimberman.housepub.org/blog/2012/03/04/github-is-classy/
[03:41] <snap-l> What the fuck?
[03:42] <rick_h_> yea, still reading up on wtf went down
[03:42] <snap-l> Apparently somoene used github to make a point about RoR
[03:42] <rick_h_> right, and Github nuked him and people got cranky on both sides
[03:55] <Blazeix> oh, yeah, hackernews went crazy about it
[03:55] <Blazeix> it's the end of github as we know it
[03:57] <snap-l> I don't see what the big deal is.
[03:57] <snap-l> They activated the account again
[03:57] <snap-l> everyone == happy
[03:58] <snap-l> I swear the net will get their knickers bunched up over things that don't affect them at all
[03:59] <snap-l> I'd be more worried that Rails has insane defaults.
[03:59] <Blazeix> i suspect they activated the account only after everyone freaked out
[03:59] <Blazeix> not that i'm saying github was in the wrong here
[03:59] <snap-l> I saw something similar that Chris of Pramid posted about strings in Python doing crazy things with iterators.
[04:00] <rick_h_> Blazeix: what did everyone get cranky about?
[04:00] <rick_h_> I've only hita couple of things and not seeing where everyone disagrees with github?
[04:02] <Blazeix> they got cranky that github froze the guy's account and then called his demo 'an attack' in their followup blog post
[04:02] <Blazeix> http://chrisacky.posterous.com/github-you-have-let-us-all-down
[04:02] <Blazeix> snap-l: what's up with python strings?
[04:03] <snap-l> Python 3 changes how iter is used.
[04:03] <rick_h_> yea, strings in py3 no longer have __iter__ methods I think
[04:03] <rick_h_> I've never used that method to split str from list, but I guess it's common
[04:05]  * snap-l is looking for the original article
[04:06] <rick_h_> http://plope.com/Members/chrism/python_2_vs_python_3_str_iter
[04:06] <snap-l> http://plope.com/Members/chrism/python_2_vs_python_3_str_iter
[04:06] <snap-l> fuck, too quick
[12:33] <rick_h_> morning
[12:37] <brousch> a-yup
[13:12] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:18] <nullspace> snap-l: morning
[13:22] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning its a very cool -8 today
[13:22] <brousch> brisk!
[13:27] <brousch> hm, water heater guy is coming out already
[13:35] <nullspace> so any news on what might break in 12.04 if I upgrade?
[14:20] <snap-l> nullspace: Well, do you have an NVidia card?
[14:20] <snap-l> I noticed some strange artifacting on one of my older machines
[15:34] <brousch> damn updated codes
[15:34] <brousch> always cost me money
[15:44] <rick_h_> heh
[15:47] <snap-l> brousch: Which one? :)
[15:52] <brousch> chimney size, gas shut offs, water pressure
[15:54] <snap-l> brousch: Oh, lovely.
[15:55] <snap-l> Yeah, what starts off as one fix turns into 5 updates
[15:59] <snap-l> Thought you might have been talking about discount codes being the death of you.
[15:59] <snap-l> Like, oh, I  dunno.....
[15:59] <snap-l> http://www.apress.com/9781430233510
[16:02]  * snap-l is a sucker
[16:05] <brousch> this plumber has an ipad, but no app for estimating and quoting. basically it just has PDFs of all their prices and he has to page through them
[16:05] <brousch> then types it into a spreadsheet app
[16:05] <snap-l> Ugh
[16:05] <snap-l> Talk about making more work for himself.
[16:07] <brousch> when he pulled out the ipad i was impressed, then i saw how they were using it
[16:16] <nullspace> snap-l: ever heard of  "the synthetic dream foundation" ? electro industrial band, german based remind me of FLA and skinny puppy
[16:17] <snap-l> nullspace: Not familiar with them
[16:17] <snap-l> What's a good album to start with?
[16:18] <snap-l> I'm only seeing Tendrils of Pretty on Amazon
[16:18] <nullspace> behind the gates of horn and ivory seems pretty solid
[16:18] <snap-l> Their website is pretty impenetrable. :)
[16:20] <nullspace> oh, ouch
[16:20] <nullspace> there site sucks
[16:20] <nullspace> *their
[16:21] <snap-l> http://www.amazon.com/Behind-Gates-Horn-Ivory/dp/B001B83O12
[16:21] <snap-l> I'm liking it
[16:21] <snap-l> wishlisted. :)
[16:21] <snap-l> nullspace: BTW: have you checked out the Club Metal Episodes on Open Metalcast?
[16:22] <nullspace> I'v been keeping up on them
[16:22] <snap-l> Awesome.
[16:22] <nullspace> your doing an awesome job with your podcasts
[16:22] <snap-l> Thank you.
[16:23] <nullspace> I have no idea where you find all that music
[16:23] <snap-l> Been finding a lot of really great industrial out there.
[16:23] <snap-l> bandcamp and Jamendo. :)
[16:23] <snap-l> Also, Synthematik is one of the online labels that I've been pillaging relentlessly. :)
[16:24] <nullspace> nice
[16:25] <snap-l> http://synthematik.bandcamp.com/
[16:25] <snap-l> They're my go-to place for industrial music
[16:25] <snap-l> Have actually found some of their artists on FiXT as well.
[16:28] <nullspace> yeah I hit up FiXT once in a while when I need new music or when a fav artists releases a new EP or album
[16:38] <brousch> i spent $220 on tech books last year
[16:42] <snap-l> brousch: amateur.
[16:43] <brousch> i have read maybe 10% of them
[16:43] <snap-l> brousch: amateur
[16:44] <snap-l> I think I've read 1% of each of them. ;)
[16:44] <Blazeix> anyone going to the Great Lakes Functional Programming Conference in May?
[16:44] <snap-l> Blazeix: Hadn't heard about it until now
[16:44] <Blazeix> my work is kind enough to send me there, so i'm going :)
[16:45] <snap-l> http://glfpc.org/
[16:45] <Blazeix> http://glfpc.org
[16:45] <snap-l> kinx
[16:45] <Blazeix> bah, beat me to it
[16:45] <snap-l> er, no...
[16:45] <snap-l> JINX
[16:45] <Blazeix> they just started selling tickets, there's a link the their google groups page
[16:46] <snap-l> They're really spartan about any info
[16:46] <Blazeix> yeah, most of the info has been sent out via the detroit dev day email list
[16:47] <snap-l> Huh, I missed those
[16:55] <snap-l> http://singularityhub.com/2012/03/05/love-that-new-single-mathematical-equation-predicts-musics-hits-and-flops
[17:49] <snap-l> http://oss.linn.co.uk/trac/wiki/SkweezyDs Linn just got a Gold Star from me
[19:06] <brousch> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3666361
[19:08] <brousch> python3 will cost billions to convert!
[19:08] <brousch> BILLIONS
[19:10] <greg-g> fuck ycombinator news
[19:10] <greg-g> them and all their brogrammers
[19:14] <snap-l> Yeah, I've given up on ycombinator
[19:14] <brousch> wow
[19:15] <brousch> i don't think i've seen greg-g cuss before
[19:15] <snap-l> they're the sort of engineers that spend more time computing their car payment than doing anything useful
[19:15] <snap-l> brousch: I've seen it. :)
[19:15] <Blazeix> where do you guys go instead? I still use ycombinator pretty awesome
[19:15] <Blazeix> please don't say reddit
[19:15] <snap-l> reddit
[19:15] <brousch> slashdot
[19:15] <snap-l> but not the front page
[19:15] <Blazeix> er, s/awesome/often/
[19:15] <snap-l> also, rick_h_'s news service.
[19:16] <snap-l> and twitter.
[19:16] <Blazeix> ugh, the last thing i want to do is turn twitter into an rss reader
[19:17] <snap-l> Twitter isn't an RSS reader
[19:17] <snap-l> Twitter is ephemeral
[19:17] <snap-l> reddit is ephemeral
[19:17] <snap-l> ycombinator is ephemeral
[19:17] <snap-l> Slashdot should be treated as ephemeral
[19:18] <Blazeix> twitter is where I go when I want to know what my friends are doing.
[19:18] <Blazeix> I haven't yet transitioned to the firehose model
[19:19] <Blazeix> maybe I'll give slashdot another chance, but it has such ugly associations for me
[19:20] <Blazeix> i suppose i should spend some time pruning away the categories i don't care about
[19:23] <snap-l> Blazeix: It's not just you.
[19:24] <snap-l> I've stopped using Slashdot in favor f using Reddit.
[19:24] <snap-l> mostly because I use Slashdot via the RSS reader, and I haven't found a good way to turn off their stupid comments in RSS.
[19:25] <snap-l> and if I use my user RSS feed, Google Reader takes forever to update, but the user feed is what gives me the links to the original source.
[19:25] <snap-l> broken behavior.
[20:16] <rick_h_> greg-g: one of them steal your lunch?
[20:16] <rick_h_> Blazeix: thought about the functional conf, but don't htink so
[20:16] <rick_h_> Blazeix: and yea, select reddit rss feeds + lots of twitter filtering
[20:18] <snap-l> I can't do reddit with RSS
[20:18] <snap-l> it's impossible.
[20:19] <rick_h_> meh, I do a half dozen feeds there I think
[20:32] <Blazeix> man, reddit is full of super-sensationalist crap, though
[20:32] <Blazeix> especially /r/linux and /r/programming
[20:32] <Blazeix> hackernews isn't free of that by any means, but it's better
[20:36] <snap-l> Blazeix: reasone #1 why I don't use the RSS feeds on reddit
[21:02] <greg-g> rick_h_: just my lunch money :(
[21:14] <rick_h_> Blazeix: yea, requires title filters, but oh well
[23:07] <brousch> water heater and code fixes came to almost exactly the same price as my tax return
[23:29] <greg-g> oh, building codes
[23:31] <snap-l> Ugh