[01:52] Hello, everyone [02:00] yo [02:00] yo yo [02:01] I guess we can call the meeting to order [02:01] hello, order. [02:01] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/349/detail/ [02:02] First off, I want to thank everyone who participated in the jam yesterday [02:02] whether it was in spirit or in person. :) [02:02] w00t! [02:02] Overall it was interesting to see how Precise is shaping up [02:02] though I'm thinking it has some issues with NVidia cards still [02:03] I know brousch filed a few bugs [02:03] kubuntu 12.04 looked solid [02:03] yeah, little things [02:03] I have it installed on the Asus Eee 701, which was a feat. [02:03] impressive [02:04] i seem to have taken one of your chocolat ebeers [02:04] That's fine. :) [02:04] I have some of your porter and ale. :) [02:05] 's all good. :) [02:05] They were there for sharing. :) [02:05] thanks for hosting. and thank jodee for putting up with us [02:06] it worked out really well for me [02:06] hey, there's the man [02:06] Yeah, I think it worked out really well [02:06] What is the topic for tonight? Penguicon, Ubuntu 12.04 . . . [02:07] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/349/detail/ [02:07] Just doing a quick recap of the jam [02:07] records were set [02:08] Heh [02:08] Cool. I saw no problem with Ubuntu 12.04. Hey why don't they call it something easy to type like U1204? [02:08] gib: Having trouble with Pangolin? :) [02:09] i'm looking forward to it [02:09] a good lts is such a beautiful thing [02:10] No problems at all with U-P (Ubuntu Pangolin). [02:10] OK, cool [02:10] What kind of records? Count of issues or what? [02:10] Anything else to talk about re: the GJ? [02:11] What is the GJ? [02:11] gib: brousch was being facetious that he recorded two bugs instead of one. [02:11] Global Jam [02:11] it was a personal record [02:11] Ah, and I reported noen - so we are even with prior records. Sorry. [02:11] None. [02:12] OK, without further ado, let's talk about Penguicon and the release party. [02:12] Well I love the personal record thing. Maybe we can post like a tribute. You know: you can do it too. For everyone to see. [02:13] http://paste.mitechie.com/raw/KyG7STPQzBHh6itrqwre/ [02:13] Did we get a clear understanding of the location in the hotel? [02:13] gib: That's what I pasted. [02:13] This is a note from the Penguicon Hotel Liaison [02:14] I'm not sure how big the hotel bar is at the Dearborn Hyatt [02:15] Sounds like we need to do a field trip. Date, time? [02:15] My assumption is that anyone who spends their free time collecting coins also drinks heavily. [02:15] (Yes, I'm somewhat kidding) [02:15] So my question would be do we want to take up Penguicon's offer? [02:16] I don't think we have time to take a field trip, unfortunately. [02:16] My understanding is that time is of the essence. [02:17] take a sick day [02:17] (my other question would be who all is planning on attending?) [02:17] So, going to a bar to pay for derinks when we have purchased a all weekend long drinks free ticket to Penguicon is, umm, soo geeky. [02:18] gib: Well, I don't think the free drink are out on Friday [02:18] I plan to attend. So can we meet in a roo party or con suite? [02:18] and I see it as an act of good faith that Penguicon is thinking about us [02:18] gib: I'd rather not take over the con suite [02:19] that would be rude [02:19] room party is a cool idea. U room for Ubuntu. [02:19] If someone else is willing to host the room, I'd be OK with it [02:19] They're $99 for a night [02:20] Figure the cost of getting a room party together. A bit expensive. But then we could give out those CDs all night. [02:20] Well, let's focus on the offer from Penguicon for now. [02:20] So if we kick in for the $99 ten bring in some beer how many people do we need to break even? [02:21] Small bar: limited number of people. an't decide until we now the capacity. [02:22] If we fit 10 people then I'm okay with it. [02:22] Over ten then it would be better in my opinion to get a room and split the cost of room and beer. [02:23] Usually we have around 15-20 people [02:23] Maybe we can pull in some other groups. MUG, MDLUG, SEMCO, Wash Lug ... [02:24] Usually membmers of those groups show up to the release party anyway. [02:24] OPtimistacally, 20 people would be easy to put up a cash donation jar. [02:24] Just need someone to collect cash and watch the beer. [02:24] Actually, IIRC, that's illegal in MI. [02:24] :) [02:24] Liquor control commision and such [02:25] So, then we do a pay ahead to get in system. [02:26] I'm thinking the best way would be to contact the Hotel Liaison and get some more information about their proposal [02:26] I'd rather not get into having a room party, as that gets into liability and such [02:26] Yes, getting more info would make the decision easier. [02:26] if you want to have a room party for each of the groups to get together on Saturday, that would be great [02:27] Okay, how about finding someone else who is already hosting a party? [02:27] Wow about a non-alcoholic party? [02:28] OK, I'll contact Jer to get some more details about their proposal [02:29] gib: Perhaps you could check with the other groups to see if they're already having something represented at Penguicon [02:29] I think the GLLUG had parties in the past [02:29] Not sure who to contact about that. [02:29] Okay. I'm headed to bed now. See you guys later - bye bye. [02:30] Laterness. [02:31] Hokay then [02:31] Anyone else have any opinions about the release party? [02:32] rock on [02:32] brousch: Thanks. (whithering look) [02:33] Problem is most of the people who do the release party aren't IRC regulars. [02:33] And while I don't mind the idea of a room party, I'd rather not open up the group to that kind of liability / mess. [02:34] would get cramped [02:34] And I'm not about to rush the consuite with an "official" party. [02:34] they have enough problems. :) [02:34] what is the consuite? [02:35] Essentially it's a suite that they put food and drink in [02:35] generally it's crowded [02:35] sounds like a good place [02:36] brousch: (whithering look) [02:37] OK, anything else we need to discuss tonight? [02:40] oops [02:46] OK, if there's nothing else, we can call this meeting finished. [02:46] finished, get me a drink. [02:46] Thanks, everyone! [02:46] thanks you sir! [03:29] did I miss anything? [03:34] wtf is this github thing [03:34] rick_h_: ? [03:35] twitter is all over with rails, insecure defaults, github investigations, wtf [03:36] rick_h_: Zed Shaw, or someone else? [03:39] I've got to trace it I guess. It's kind of all over the map. Just got home after most of the day afk [03:40] ah, http://jtimberman.housepub.org/blog/2012/03/04/github-is-classy/ [03:41] What the fuck? [03:42] yea, still reading up on wtf went down [03:42] Apparently somoene used github to make a point about RoR [03:42] right, and Github nuked him and people got cranky on both sides [03:55] oh, yeah, hackernews went crazy about it [03:55] it's the end of github as we know it [03:57] I don't see what the big deal is. [03:57] They activated the account again [03:57] everyone == happy [03:58] I swear the net will get their knickers bunched up over things that don't affect them at all [03:59] I'd be more worried that Rails has insane defaults. [03:59] i suspect they activated the account only after everyone freaked out [03:59] not that i'm saying github was in the wrong here [03:59] I saw something similar that Chris of Pramid posted about strings in Python doing crazy things with iterators. [04:00] Blazeix: what did everyone get cranky about? [04:00] I've only hita couple of things and not seeing where everyone disagrees with github? [04:02] they got cranky that github froze the guy's account and then called his demo 'an attack' in their followup blog post [04:02] http://chrisacky.posterous.com/github-you-have-let-us-all-down [04:02] snap-l: what's up with python strings? [04:03] Python 3 changes how iter is used. [04:03] yea, strings in py3 no longer have __iter__ methods I think [04:03] I've never used that method to split str from list, but I guess it's common [04:05] * snap-l is looking for the original article [04:06] http://plope.com/Members/chrism/python_2_vs_python_3_str_iter [04:06] http://plope.com/Members/chrism/python_2_vs_python_3_str_iter [04:06] fuck, too quick [12:33] morning [12:37] a-yup [13:12] Good morning [13:18] snap-l: morning [13:22] morning its a very cool -8 today [13:22] brisk! [13:27] hm, water heater guy is coming out already [13:35] so any news on what might break in 12.04 if I upgrade? [14:20] nullspace: Well, do you have an NVidia card? [14:20] I noticed some strange artifacting on one of my older machines [15:34] damn updated codes [15:34] always cost me money [15:44] heh [15:47] brousch: Which one? :) [15:52] chimney size, gas shut offs, water pressure [15:54] brousch: Oh, lovely. [15:55] Yeah, what starts off as one fix turns into 5 updates [15:59] Thought you might have been talking about discount codes being the death of you. [15:59] Like, oh, I dunno..... [15:59] http://www.apress.com/9781430233510 [16:02] * snap-l is a sucker [16:05] this plumber has an ipad, but no app for estimating and quoting. basically it just has PDFs of all their prices and he has to page through them [16:05] then types it into a spreadsheet app [16:05] Ugh [16:05] Talk about making more work for himself. [16:07] when he pulled out the ipad i was impressed, then i saw how they were using it [16:16] snap-l: ever heard of "the synthetic dream foundation" ? electro industrial band, german based remind me of FLA and skinny puppy [16:17] nullspace: Not familiar with them [16:17] What's a good album to start with? [16:18] I'm only seeing Tendrils of Pretty on Amazon [16:18] behind the gates of horn and ivory seems pretty solid [16:18] Their website is pretty impenetrable. :) [16:20] oh, ouch [16:20] there site sucks [16:20] *their [16:21] http://www.amazon.com/Behind-Gates-Horn-Ivory/dp/B001B83O12 [16:21] I'm liking it [16:21] wishlisted. :) [16:21] nullspace: BTW: have you checked out the Club Metal Episodes on Open Metalcast? [16:22] I'v been keeping up on them [16:22] Awesome. [16:22] your doing an awesome job with your podcasts [16:22] Thank you. [16:23] I have no idea where you find all that music [16:23] Been finding a lot of really great industrial out there. [16:23] bandcamp and Jamendo. :) [16:23] Also, Synthematik is one of the online labels that I've been pillaging relentlessly. :) [16:24] nice [16:25] http://synthematik.bandcamp.com/ [16:25] They're my go-to place for industrial music [16:25] Have actually found some of their artists on FiXT as well. [16:28] yeah I hit up FiXT once in a while when I need new music or when a fav artists releases a new EP or album [16:38] i spent $220 on tech books last year [16:42] brousch: amateur. [16:43] i have read maybe 10% of them [16:43] brousch: amateur [16:44] I think I've read 1% of each of them. ;) [16:44] anyone going to the Great Lakes Functional Programming Conference in May? [16:44] Blazeix: Hadn't heard about it until now [16:44] my work is kind enough to send me there, so i'm going :) [16:45] http://glfpc.org/ [16:45] http://glfpc.org [16:45] kinx [16:45] bah, beat me to it [16:45] er, no... [16:45] JINX [16:45] they just started selling tickets, there's a link the their google groups page [16:46] They're really spartan about any info [16:46] yeah, most of the info has been sent out via the detroit dev day email list [16:47] Huh, I missed those [16:55] http://singularityhub.com/2012/03/05/love-that-new-single-mathematical-equation-predicts-musics-hits-and-flops [17:49] http://oss.linn.co.uk/trac/wiki/SkweezyDs Linn just got a Gold Star from me [19:06] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3666361 [19:08] python3 will cost billions to convert! [19:08] BILLIONS [19:10] fuck ycombinator news [19:10] them and all their brogrammers [19:14] Yeah, I've given up on ycombinator [19:14] wow [19:15] i don't think i've seen greg-g cuss before [19:15] they're the sort of engineers that spend more time computing their car payment than doing anything useful [19:15] brousch: I've seen it. :) [19:15] where do you guys go instead? I still use ycombinator pretty awesome [19:15] please don't say reddit [19:15] reddit [19:15] slashdot [19:15] but not the front page [19:15] er, s/awesome/often/ [19:15] also, rick_h_'s news service. [19:16] and twitter. [19:16] ugh, the last thing i want to do is turn twitter into an rss reader [19:17] Twitter isn't an RSS reader [19:17] Twitter is ephemeral [19:17] reddit is ephemeral [19:17] ycombinator is ephemeral [19:17] Slashdot should be treated as ephemeral [19:18] twitter is where I go when I want to know what my friends are doing. [19:18] I haven't yet transitioned to the firehose model [19:19] maybe I'll give slashdot another chance, but it has such ugly associations for me [19:20] i suppose i should spend some time pruning away the categories i don't care about [19:23] Blazeix: It's not just you. [19:24] I've stopped using Slashdot in favor f using Reddit. [19:24] mostly because I use Slashdot via the RSS reader, and I haven't found a good way to turn off their stupid comments in RSS. [19:25] and if I use my user RSS feed, Google Reader takes forever to update, but the user feed is what gives me the links to the original source. [19:25] broken behavior. [20:16] greg-g: one of them steal your lunch? [20:16] Blazeix: thought about the functional conf, but don't htink so [20:16] Blazeix: and yea, select reddit rss feeds + lots of twitter filtering [20:18] I can't do reddit with RSS [20:18] it's impossible. [20:19] meh, I do a half dozen feeds there I think [20:32] man, reddit is full of super-sensationalist crap, though [20:32] especially /r/linux and /r/programming [20:32] hackernews isn't free of that by any means, but it's better [20:36] Blazeix: reasone #1 why I don't use the RSS feeds on reddit [21:02] rick_h_: just my lunch money :( [21:14] Blazeix: yea, requires title filters, but oh well [23:07] water heater and code fixes came to almost exactly the same price as my tax return [23:29] oh, building codes [23:31] Ugh