[00:01] <kees> vagrantc: thanks! I've pushed the updated sigs :):)
[00:02] <vagrantc> kees: excellent!
[00:03] <slangasek> nathwill: also useful to know: after 'bzr merge ../debian', 'bzr diff' will show the difference vs. the previous Ubuntu version, 'bzr diff --old ../debian' will show the difference vs. the latest Debian version
[00:04] <vagrantc> kees: cookie-free, to boot!
[00:04] <kees> hehe
[00:04] <nathwill> thanks slangasek. i take it once pushed, an lp-propose will be smart enough to propose a merge to package master?
[00:05] <nathwill> or do i need to specify
[00:06] <slangasek> nathwill: it should be smart enough :)
[00:08] <sunarst4r> test
[00:12] <nibalizer> slangasek: I think I found what I would consider a bug w/ the live/installer CD: right after booting, you get no networking because it doesn't dhclient or anything
[00:12] <nibalizer> is that intentional
[00:12] <bkerensa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/946729
[00:12] <lubotu1> Ubuntu bug 946729 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Graphical Lockup Defect during normal use " [Undecided,New]
[00:15] <nathwill> hey slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-vfs/+bug/946715
[00:15] <lubotu1> Ubuntu bug 946715 in gnome-vfs (Ubuntu) "promote libgnomevfs2-extra to main" [Undecided,New]
[00:15] <nathwill> nudge nudge
[00:16] <slangasek> nibalizer: if you're using the live-installer, then you should get networking via network-manager
[00:17] <nibalizer> slangasek: all it says is "Wired network. Device not managed", why doesn't network manager 'manage' my wired connection?
[00:18] <slangasek> nibalizer: good question! :)
[00:18] <kees> nibalizer: check /etc/network/interfaces  -- if the interface is listed there, I think N-M will ignore it
[00:19] <nibalizer> Also, if you lack networking: Ubuntu Software Center can't install things. But it creates an icon on the Unity-Dock-launcher-thing with a "?" on the picture and THEN fails, causing an eyesore and useless app
[00:21] <slangasek> nathwill: it's true that I have access to change the override to main, but you would need to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess first :)
[00:23] <nibalizer> kees: eth0 is in network/interfaces
[00:23] <blkperl> slangasek: bug 793632 closed in debian, fixed in ubuntu?
[00:23] <lubotu1> Launchpad bug 793632 in puppet (Ubuntu) "puppetmaster and puppet have clashing logrotate configs" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/793632
[00:23] <kees> nibalizer: try commenting it out and restart n-m.
[00:26] <nibalizer> kees: haha, rather than starting to work, n-m now reports 'no network devices available'
[00:27]  * kees holds his face
[00:27] <nibalizer> poor network manager
[00:27] <kees> nibalizer: I never get it right and always have to try a few things
[00:27] <nibalizer> droped as a child
[00:27] <nibalizer> s/droped/dropped/
[00:27] <kees> nibalizer: here's what I have:
[00:27] <kees> auto eth0
[00:27] <kees> #iface eth0 inet dhcp
[00:28] <nibalizer> kees getting networking isn't my problem, dhclient makes it go, I'm wondering if this is a bug worth reporting to lp
[00:28] <kees> oh, hrm... sure!
[00:28] <kees> it may get ignored for a while, but at least it'll be there. :)
[00:31] <blkperl> nibalizer: bug 886427
[00:31] <lubotu1> Launchpad bug 886427 in oidentd (Ubuntu) "oidentd doesn't have a status option in the init script" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/886427
[00:31] <slangasek> by default when using the live installer, /etc/network/interfaces should not have anything for eth0, letting n-m manage it
[00:31] <slangasek> so that's a bug
[00:31] <slangasek> nibalizer: so please file it :) ^^
[00:32] <slangasek> bkerensa: grep -r 'thing to search' directory/
[00:33] <slangasek> nathwill: have followed up on the gnome-vfs thing, it needs to be fixed by the inkscape maintainers and once changed there the archive will get semi-automatically updated
[00:33] <nathwill> slangasek: schweet. thanks
[00:34] <bkerensa> slangasek: so say a typo is something like "this app doessss this" and it occurs in multiple files within the source tree how could I easily replace all instances of that typo with the correct spelling?
[00:36] <slangasek> bkerensa: um... grep -r 'this app doessss this' directory | xargs sed -i -e's/this app doessss this/this app does this/'
[00:36] <slangasek> sorry, no
[00:36] <slangasek> grep -rl 'this app doessss this' directory | xargs sed -i -e's/this app doessss this/this app does this/'
[00:36]  * nathwill hearts xargs
[00:41] <nibalizer> slangasek: sorry getting familiar with lp bug reporting... what package is this related to ? n-m or live-installer?
[00:42]  * nibalizer supposed live-installer may not be a package
[00:43] <slangasek> nibalizer: 'ubiquity' as the catch-all package
[00:44] <slangasek> nibalizer: however: when you *boot* the live-CD, what does /etc/network/interfaces look like?
[00:45] <nibalizer> slangasek: i'm booted into the live-cd, haven't started installer, we have a loopback and an eth0
[00:47] <slangasek> nibalizer: then that's a bug in live-build
[00:47] <slangasek> or in casper
[00:51] <bkero> How's that Ubuntu meetup going?
[00:53] <slangasek> it's goin'
[00:54] <bkero> make it go!
[00:54] <bkerensa> slangasek: this was the bitesize bug that was related to kernel-team https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/593107
[00:54] <lubotu1> Ubuntu bug 593107 in linux-meta (Ubuntu) "Package description for linux-tools-* needs improvement" [Low,Fix released]
[00:54] <bkerensa> its now fixed
[00:56] <bkero> lol
[00:56] <bkero> what a bug
[01:14] <nathwill> slangasek: do you prefer we just subscribe ubuntu-sponsors, or do you want us to link you merge proposals?
[01:23]  * kees stabs lintian
[01:28] <kees> adam_g: say... which # is the lvm/watershed bug?
[01:31] <slangasek> nathwill: merge proposals automatically wind up on the sponsorship list without having to subscribe anyone :)
[01:31] <nathwill> ah. kk. well nm then!
[01:31] <nathwill> the Getting Sponsorship wiki may have an old way of doing it listed then
[01:32] <slangasek> kees: bug #802626
[01:32] <lubotu1> Launchpad bug 802626 in lvm2 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "vgchange may deadlock in initramfs when VG present that's not used for rootfs" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/802626
[01:32] <slangasek> nathwill: does it?  Let me see
[01:33] <slangasek> nathwill: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation/SeekingSponsorship doesn't mention subscribing sponsors
[01:33] <bkerensa> slangasek: Interested in working on #337358 if you have some guidance as to a propose change I could fix
[01:33] <slangasek> that's only mentioned in the traditional process
[01:34] <bkerensa> Bug #337358
[01:34] <lubotu1> Launchpad bug 337358 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Network Manager lacks support for wpa-essid though ifup can handle it fine" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/337358
[01:34] <nathwill> ah, it's not the SeekingSponsorship wiki, it's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix#Committing_the_fix
[01:34] <nathwill> slangasek, i'll change it...
[01:38] <nathwill> and... it won't let me edit it
[01:39] <TRAVISg> heading over be there soon
[01:40] <nibalizer> slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-build/+bug/946783
[01:40] <lubotu1> Ubuntu bug 946783 in live-build (Ubuntu) "No networking in live-cd " [Undecided,New]
[01:42] <nibalizer> what package is related to ubuntu software center?
[01:43] <bkerensa> Bug #661654
[01:43] <lubotu1> Launchpad bug 661654 in pam (Ubuntu) "pam_motd should log the error when run-parts fails" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/661654
[01:44] <slangasek> nibalizer: thankee
[01:44] <slangasek> nibalizer: 'software-center'
[01:47] <nibalizer> slangasek: yea i just figuerd that out
[01:55] <nibalizer> slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/946789
[01:55] <lubotu1> Ubuntu bug 946789 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Lacking network, failed package installs still create broken entry in Launcher" [Undecided,New]
[01:55] <nibalizer> also is it inteded behavior for every application installed in software-center to be added to Launcher?
[01:55] <nibalizer> That seems... unsustainable
[02:04] <slangasek> nibalizer: no
[02:24] <slangasek> nibalizer: with the networking bug, you booted an actual liveCD, right, not netbooting?
[02:41] <kees> adam_g: http://outflux.net/udev/
[03:16] <cy1> Welp I'm gonna head off. It's now dark enough to bicycle around all over the place. :p
[03:21] <cy1> http://pastebin.com/JtN0aKTw
[17:20] <bkerensa> hi nathwill
[17:21] <nathwill> hi bkerensa!
[17:21] <nathwill> how's thangs?
[17:21] <bkerensa> nathwill: good :) how is yhoo
[17:21] <bkerensa> ;p
[17:22] <nathwill> still here!
[17:22] <cweber10> morning
[17:23] <nathwill> morning cweber, how's it goin?
[17:23] <cweber10> on way to school, and finaly caught up on sleep.
[17:24] <bkerensa> cweber10:  :( seeya at 1pm on the WOU presentation thingy
[17:24] <bkerensa> ;p
[17:25] <cweber10> yep need to actuly set up g+ on my school account
[17:27] <bkerensa> nathwill: #900002 is now dead
[17:27] <nathwill> yaaaay
[17:27] <nathwill> that bug was out of control
[17:27] <bkerensa> nathwill: it is now #947240, #947242, #947244, #947245, #947246, #947247, #947248
[17:27] <bkerensa> :D
[17:28] <nathwill> damn yooo
[17:28] <nathwill> ;)
[17:28] <bkerensa> lol
[17:30] <bkerensa> cweber10: I hope Becka knows that I intend to wholly use the Ubuntu Wiki on Triaging :P
[17:30] <bkerensa> I think it provides a pretty "precise" guide on triaging
[17:30] <bkerensa> ;0
[18:14] <cweber10> bkerensa: Yea not 100% sure what she expects. BTW setup google+ on my school account.
[18:16] <cweber10> Yestery was good, got lots of good information
[18:18] <cweber10> yesterday even. :P
[18:23] <nathwill> lol.
[18:23] <nathwill> i like yestery
[18:24] <nathwill> sounds like yester-eve
[18:42] <bkerensa> nathwill: :( A white square artifact took over my desktop... this is the second time it has happened and upon reboot my wallpaper was defaulted and my launcher
[18:42] <bkerensa> :(
[18:42] <nathwill> what'd you DO!
[18:44] <bkerensa> nathwill: idk and now it wont let me set a background at all and appearance has background set but it is not the one displaying
[18:44] <bkerensa> :(
[18:44] <bkerensa> slangasek to the rescue?
[18:44] <bkerensa> ;p
[18:44] <bkerensa> if I knew which package was bugging I would file a report
[18:58] <slangasek> hmm?
[18:58] <slangasek> start with gnome-control-center, I guess
[18:59] <slangasek> bkerensa: ^^
[19:08] <bkerensa> k
[19:08] <bkerensa> slangasek: I was talking to jcastro who also has encounter and he thinks it may be drivers issues
[19:09] <slangasek> could be, though I don't recall seeing any driver updates recently
[19:24] <nathwill> bkerensa: you using the proprietary graphics drivers?
[19:24] <bkerensa> nathwill: nope
[19:24] <nathwill> yaaay
[20:21] <vagrantc> anyone leave a thick black hoodie sweatshirt at freegeek during the gloabl jam yesterday?
[20:22] <vagrantc> let me know, otherwise i'll put it in the freegeek lost and found
[20:46] <bkerensa> vagrantc: A hoodie and not a zip up?
[20:49] <vagrantc> bkerensa: a zip up hoodie
[20:55] <bkerensa> vagrantc: ok well I saw two... one might be nathwill
[20:55] <bkerensa> and I have to check if I took mine but I think i came in just a shirt
[20:56] <nathwill> say what
[20:56] <nathwill> um. i had a zip-up, but it had no hood
[20:56] <nathwill> and i wouldn't call it thick
[20:57] <bkerensa> cweber10: let me know when ur ready i dont see becka on g+ yet
[21:00] <cweber10> we have my laptop setup
[21:01] <bkerensa> cweber10: ok so I should invite you then?
[21:01] <bkerensa> cweber10: Can you add me on G+
[21:01] <cweber10> yea maybe will work
[21:04] <cweber10> i added you into my circles
[21:06] <bkerensa> ok
[21:06] <bkerensa> cweber10:  im in ur hangout ;0
[21:25] <cweber10> ha ha got screen working
[21:32] <cweber10> bkerensa; they where talking keyboard use not mouse
[21:33] <cweber10> you still there
[21:34] <bkerensa> cweber10: system had a weird shutdown for some reason
[21:34] <bkerensa> coming back up
[21:36] <bkerensa> cweber10: It says the hangout ended
[21:36] <bkerensa> ?
[21:37] <cweber10> yea we had school net issues so switched to wired
[21:40] <cweber10> what number?
[21:49] <bkerensa> cweber10: It was my system it just popped up a shutdown dialog which I accident had clicked
[21:49] <bkerensa> :(
[21:49] <bkerensa> no idea what the shutdown dialog came up though
[21:50] <cweber10> yea odd
[21:51] <cweber10> what number was your bug.
[22:06] <bkerensa> slangasek: I fixed that git bug and as expected someone is asking me to submit upstream saying they wont accept in ubuntu
[22:06] <bkerensa> :(
[22:07] <slangasek> bkerensa: what bug was this?
[22:08] <bkerensa> slangasek: #879427
[22:08] <bkerensa> here is my merge that Andreas K commented on
[22:08] <bkerensa> https://code.launchpad.net/~bkerensa/ubuntu/precise/git/fix-for-879427/+merge/95824
[22:09] <slangasek> bkerensa: well in this case the bug was apparently already fixed both upstream and in Debian, so he's just synced the package directly
[22:10] <slangasek> so the bug is fixed now
[22:10] <bkerensa> slangasek: its not fixed though the patch that was submitted upstream previously could not have fixed it
[22:10] <bkerensa> :)
[22:10] <bkerensa> the patch submitted upstream only fixes it in two places while the typo was in much more then two places
[22:12] <slangasek> well, the other places the string occurs are all in translation files
[22:12] <bkerensa> ahh
[22:12] <slangasek> looking at the current package
[22:13] <slangasek> this actually means that translations in launchpad may fail to be picked up because the string being translated doesn't match the one in the source
[22:13] <bkerensa> slangasek: my merge proposal fixes the translation files
[22:13] <slangasek> yes
[22:14] <bkerensa> so do I still need to submit a patch upstream?
[22:14] <slangasek> but I agree with Anders that this is not an issue for which we want to carry a delta in Ubuntu - we still want to be efficient in how we manage our deltas
[22:14] <bkerensa> ok
[22:14] <slangasek> pushing it upstream to Debian would be best :)
[22:15] <bkerensa> slangasek: Is there a efficient command to make a patch from my branch and also what package would I submit it to on upstream?
[22:16] <slangasek> 'bzr diff -p1 lp:ubuntu/git > ../git-typo.patch' should give you a patch from your branch
[22:16] <slangasek> the package in Debian is the same as in Ubuntu
[22:18] <slangasek> (it has to be or else we wouldn't be syncing it :)
[22:21] <bkerensa> slangasek: do you know the version for debians package?
[22:21] <slangasek> 1:1.7.9-1
[22:21] <slangasek> (the version that the bug shows was just synced to precise)
[22:27] <slangasek> bkerensa: the best way to ensure you're submitting a patch that applies in Debian in this case is by doing a 'bzr merge lp:debian/git' into your branch, then resolving any merge conflicts
[22:29] <bkerensa> slangasek: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=662709
[22:29] <lubotu1> Debian bug 662709 in git version: 1:1.7.9-1 "typo in git translation files" [Normal,Open]
[22:29] <bkerensa> should I need to redo the patch?
[22:34] <slangasek> bkerensa: hmm, both patches you sent to that bug are empty
[22:39] <slangasek> bkerensa: sorry, I gave you a bad command - it should be 'bzr diff -p1 --old lp:ubuntu/git > ../git-typo.patch'
[22:42] <bkerensa> slangasek: No I'm going to look like a fool to the DD :P
[22:42] <slangasek> just blame it on me
[22:43] <slangasek> it's a good idea to review diffs for sanity before emailing them off to bug trackers, fwiw :)
[22:44] <bkerensa> slangasek: :P yeah I should have checked
[23:00] <vagrantc> it's not hard to reverse the patch or change the depth, if it clearly illustrates what the problem is and how to fix it.
[23:00] <vagrantc> ideally the less you have to do the better... but more important is the fix
[23:02] <vagrantc> way less of a problem than pointless whitespace changes or other random  unrelated code changes
[23:03] <nathwill> you don't like whitespace changes?
[23:04] <nathwill> i try to introduce 10 with every commit
[23:04] <bkerensa> slangasek: BTS dislikes me that or it is taking an epic time to update any received submissions... I forwarded you the working patch
[23:04] <bkerensa> nathwill: ;p
[23:05] <bkerensa> nathwill: some person called me and asked if I was the freegeek guy and then said they found the dollar store and hung up
[23:05] <bkerensa> =/
[23:05] <nathwill> you left your sign up!
[23:05] <nathwill> hahahaha
[23:05] <bkerensa> OH FUDGE
[23:05] <bkerensa> :(
[23:05] <bkerensa> no
[23:05] <bkerensa> no please tell me I didnt
[23:06] <nathwill> well i certainly didn't take it down
[23:06] <bkerensa> :( how could I have forgot
[23:06] <bkerensa> now everyone who saw it is going to random dial me
[23:06] <bkerensa> good thing it was google voice
[23:07] <vagrantc> bkerensa: i'll take it down tomorrow
[23:08] <bkerensa> hmm a grump debian developer just e-mailed me :P
[23:08] <bkerensa> grumpy*
[23:08] <nathwill> lmao
[23:08] <vagrantc> bkerensa: let it wash over you like water off a duck's back
[23:09] <bkerensa> he said "so I don't
[23:09] <bkerensa> have to do this reassign dance - however fun it may be, it gets tiresome
[23:09] <bkerensa> after a while."
[23:09] <nathwill> was it kees?
[23:09] <bkerensa> no
[23:09] <bkerensa> Gergely Nagy
[23:10] <bkerensa> apparently I tagged the bug wrong so he had to do some sort of debian re-assign dance ;)
[23:10] <bkerensa> I guess thats like a rain dance or something
[23:15] <slangasek> the pseudoheader in Debian bug messages is line-based
[23:15] <slangasek> looks like you accidentally ran the 'Package' and 'Version' lines together
[23:19] <bkerensa> slangasek: Is there any reason BTS would be ignoring my working patch submission?
[23:19] <slangasek> what address did you send the mail to?
[23:23] <bkerensa> slangasek: 662709@bugs.debian.org
[23:25] <bkerensa> nathwill: I heard back from O'Reilly apps open at end of this month and they think we should be good
[23:25] <nathwill> bkerensa: good deal :)
[23:25] <slangasek> bkerensa: it's probably just that the mail gateway is sometimes slow.  email isn't realtime (which is one of the complaints about the Debian bts)
[23:25] <bkerensa> nathwill: also I will be out of state in May likely could you handle our meeting that month?
[23:25] <nathwill> yassir, but you'll need to remind me
[23:26] <bkerensa> nathwill: Will do... I will hopefully be in Oakland for UDS
[23:39] <nathwill> aw