[00:08] <len-nb> ScottL, I have pulled the settings package with bzr and am making changes for menus and panel. I can fix these other problems at the same time if you like.
[00:09] <len-nb> You may wish not to make any changes to this package right now so you can just use what I upload... err push
[00:21] <len-nb> ScottL: I have changed workspace-count to 4
[00:26] <CFHowlett> any chance we can get the etched desktop wallpapers released or included?    https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialOneiric
[00:28] <len-nb> ScottL wants to use one of them anyway CFHowlett, not sure what has to be done to get there
[00:29] <CFHowlett> len-nb   fingers crossed.  I really hope ALL of them get released even if they're not included in the official art.
[00:29] <len-nb> It wouldnot be that hard... i really like choice ;-)
[00:30] <CFHowlett> len-nb   they do have a particular understated elegance
[00:31] <CFHowlett> len-nb   looking at the same page, I've gotta say the AWN dock looks sweet as well.
[00:32] <len-nb> Still not my choice. i am doing some menu changes just now.. the AWN dock has lost it's support, no more development I hear
[00:35] <CFHowlett> len-nb   disappointing.
[00:35] <len-nb> There is talk about doing something similar, but not this cycle.
[00:36] <CFHowlett> len-nb   I'll live iwith it ...
[01:35] <len-nb> ScottL, please find changes in: https://code.launchpad.net/~len-ovenwerks/+junk/ubuntustudio-default-settings
[01:36] <len-nb> This should be able to be a straight replacement.
[01:37] <shnatsel> similar to elementary defaults :)
[01:38] <shnatsel> this means it should work
[01:38] <shnatsel> (most of elementary defaults work properly)
[02:05] <len-nb> shnatsel, I have used this as a drop in place of for a new iso install and it has worked for me
[02:56] <ScottL> len-nb, i'm building your package to test it, but i had trouble with the last line of your changelog where your name and timestamp are located, it kept giving an 'unexpected EOF' error in debuild
[03:00] <len-nb> ScottL, that shouldn't be the last line... let me take a look.
[03:02] <len-nb> The time is wrong. seconds are 3 digets instead of 2
[03:09] <len-nb> ScottL, sorry about that, it seems to be fixed now though. I have re-pushed it.
[03:42] <len-nb> I now know one of the things to look for. When looking at the file from LP the line numbers stopped before the end of the file... not at the mistake... but it did show there was a mistake.
[10:46] <knome> ScottL, there's some improvements on the US website
[11:33] <ScottL> oh cool, knome , i'll look at it tonight
[11:33] <knome> :)
[12:11] <scott-work> knome:  i'm very curious (i thought about this on my way to work), what types of changes were made and by whom?
[12:20] <knome> scott-work, visual changes by me ;]
[12:20] <scott-work> ooooh, now i'm _really_ curious
[12:20] <knome> polishing stuff
[12:20] <knome> well, you *should* be
[12:22] <scott-work> WOW!  it looks really, really good!
[12:22] <scott-work> that is awesome knome !
[12:22] <knome> thanks and good that you like it :)
[12:23] <scott-work> work is crazy busy, but i couldn't resist looking
[12:23] <knome> hehe
[12:56] <knome> scott-work, do you want the slideshow to progress automatically?
[13:03] <scott-work> knome: i would say yes, as long as we have the small dots to indicate progress and location then it shoudl be fine
[13:03] <scott-work> knome: i can't thank you enough for all of your and xubuntu's help this cycle
[13:03] <knome> i'm not sure how easy it would be to indicate progress
[13:04] <scott-work> knome: shouldn't one of the dots be a different color to indicate which "slide" is presently showing?
[13:04] <scott-work> that would indicate progress
[13:04] <scott-work> micahg 's help is likewise greatly appreciated
[13:05] <knome> maybe
[13:05] <scott-work> if is see either of you at a UDS or elsewhere i should buy you a beer (or two) or carry you bags for you if you don't drink :)
[13:06] <knome> heh, thanks. :) i don't think i'm making uds for Q though...
[13:09] <scott-work> i put in for sponsorship so i hope to make it, kate stewart has said that she wants all the leads at the various UDS's, but we'll see what happens
[13:10] <scott-work> knome: two questions for you:  1) is xubuntu going to try to implement the ubiquity plugin this cycle, and 2) is xubuntu going to create a modified lightdm greeter screen this cycle ?
[13:11] <scott-work> i'm leaning towards not doing either this cycle.  the number of people invovled is reducing and i'm tired
[13:11] <knome> 1) i think we're postponing 2) we are planning some improvements to the current greeter, the completely new greeter will be added next cycle
[13:11] <knome> well yeah, time is just running out
[13:12] <scott-work> i had really wanted to get these things done for the LTS version, but *sigh* i'm feeling like a need a little time away
[13:13] <knome> mmh.
[13:14] <scott-work> but i will also need to start thinking pretty soon about next cycle and what our goals might include
[13:14] <knome> did you see my precursory planning for xubuntu?
[13:15] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/q_planning/xubuntu-q.pdf
[13:39] <scott-work> knome: i did, that is what made me realize that i probably needed to start pretty soon :P
[13:40] <knome> ;)
[13:41] <knome> btw, there's now automatically progressing slideshow
[13:41] <knome> still need to indicate progress though
[13:42] <knome> heh, okay, that's it
[13:42] <knome> ;))
[13:52] <knome> scott-work, ping :)=
[13:53] <scott-work> knome: pong
[13:53] <knome> scott-work, look at the website now!!
[13:54] <scott-work> oh yeah, that looks good :)
[13:54] <scott-work> i see the slideshow moves and the outline around the current dot
[13:54] <knome> good :)
[13:54] <knome> so, what else is there?
[13:54] <knome> i mean, to it
[13:55] <scott-work> i think the major part is just content
[13:55] <knome> yep
[13:55] <knome> not how i fixed the tour buttons too?
[13:55] <scott-work> i'm sorry i don't remember the previous buttons, what did you change?
[13:56] <knome> well, just made them stable
[13:56] <knome> you'll notice the difference in the code too
[13:56] <scott-work> did the colour change as well?  it seems it might be slightly different
[13:56] <knome> shouldn't have :)
[13:57] <scott-work> okay, maybe it just seems different due to the background changes
[13:57] <scott-work> i'll have to look at the code later either during lunch or at home, i would have a hard time explaining what i'm doing if someone saw me
[13:57] <knome> sure ;)
[13:57] <knome> np
[13:58] <knome> i'm now pretty aware of what's going on everywhere, so if you want changes, i can make them happen quickly if you ping me in the next 24 hours
[14:01] <scott-work> i hope to squeeze fifteen minutes today while at work to review the ubiquity-slideshow information and website tour/'more info" pages
[14:01] <scott-work> as i believe these should be more or less parrallels of each other
[14:01] <knome> well, i'm not interested in content at this point :)
[14:02] <knome> if there is anything technical or visual you'd like to change however...
[14:06] <scott-work> i can see one thing, and i'm sorry to ask this after your efforts already on my behest, would you please remove the "blog" content from the menus?
[14:06] <scott-work> i still like the idea of informally documenting development, but i just don't think it will happen enough to warrant it's own section
[14:07] <scott-work> and i think as such it will just present a confusing situation to users
[14:07] <scott-work> news should be more than enough for the expected output
[14:17] <knome> sure, np
[14:18] <knome> would you like the articles in the "blog" section to be moved under "news" ?
[14:19] <scott-work> i don't think it's necessary to be honest, they could be deleted without disruption i would image, but please use what ever process is easiest for you
[14:55] <scott-work> micahg: is it too late to add the photography task to the seeds?  i mean in terms of FFe's and such?
[14:58] <len> scott-work, did my fix last night help? or was it too late?
[15:00] <scott-work> len: it got to be too late for me.  got up waaay too early going to work yesterday and wen to bed early
[15:00] <scott-work> however, i will do it first thing when i get home
[15:01] <len> NP, I am off to work  real quick. I really need to learn to build a package myself too.
[15:02] <scott-work> len: i can help you with that easily
[15:02] <scott-work> you can do it locally or use PPA
[15:02] <len> I am a few timezones down the road so I figured you had finished for the night.
[15:02] <scott-work> i kinda like ppa because i tend to do packaging on a persitent machine and then test on a "disposable" one that gets reformatted often for testing
[15:03] <scott-work> len: i stopped working on stuff around 8:00, between the kids in my room and being tired, i just gave up and went to bed
[15:03] <len> I started downloading the bzr-build stuff, but found that wasn't enough and I need more... I was too tired to go farther the PPA sounds interesting... I just didn't see it anywhere.
[15:04] <len> Have to run talk later...
[16:44] <knome> holstein, did you check out  http://knome.fi/temp/ubuntustudio/wordpress/  ?
[16:44] <knome> stochastic, hello
[16:45]  * holstein looking
[16:46] <holstein> mmmm... pretty!
[16:46] <holstein> i like
[16:46] <holstein> lets put it up!
[16:46] <knome> well, i think scott still wants to work on the content, and i can't blame him..
[16:48] <holstein> as long as we arent working out content in may for this ;)
[16:48] <holstein> our site is a deal breaker
[16:49] <holstein> i just answered a "is this project dead?" question
[16:49] <holstein> right now, it would be better if we *didnt* have the site we have 
[16:49] <holstein> personally, id rather put up what we got there ASAP, and just have access to change the info
[16:49] <knome> yup. well, at least everything is ready for precise ;)
[17:20] <micahg> scott-work: no, shouldn
[17:20] <micahg> scott-work: no, shouldn't be too late
[17:42] <stochastic> hey knome, just started the coffee brewing, give me a minute or two until I'm present and ready to chat :P
[17:42] <knome> okay
[17:43] <stochastic> I also want to give the site a lookover to refresh memory first
[17:45] <knome> well, it's undergone some changes in the last 24 hours...
[17:52] <stochastic> I like the upgrades
[17:53] <stochastic> knome is it possible to have the 'feature window' on the front page load all of the background images upon page load so there is no lag when first clicked on?
[17:55] <knome> yes, i will need to look at that
[17:56] <stochastic> nice
[17:56] <stochastic> how about an automatic slow scroll through those items that is overridden as soon as one of the dots is clicked on?
[17:56] <stochastic> I know that's probably a bit hard
[17:57] <knome> i don't quite get what you mean
[17:57] <stochastic> say after 3seconds the second dot opens, then 3seconds later the next dot opens, if I click on the fifth or first dot, the auto changing stops
[17:58] <knome> right
[17:58] <knome> that's doable, not too hard too
[17:58] <knome> but i'm not sure if that is actually desired?
[17:59] <knome> what if the next timeout was just longer?
[17:59] <knome> i mean, when you click, instead of taking 8.5secs to advance, it was that *3?
[18:01] <stochastic> Oh, I didn't realize it's already doing that
[18:01] <knome> no, it isn't
[18:01] <knome> but it could
[18:02] <stochastic> it's advancing for me
[18:02] <knome> and that's really trivial
[18:02] <stochastic> at 8.5sec
[18:02] <knome> yeah, it should :)
[18:02] <knome> but i mean, when you click; instead of stopping completely, it would advance after, say, 30secs ?
[18:02] <stochastic> no, the current behavior is great
[18:02] <knome> okay
[18:03] <stochastic> on the download page, I only see the current release links until I scroll down
[18:03] <stochastic> most people wont' scroll down - not with those easy buttons
[18:04] <knome> in that case you need to rethink the content order
[18:04] <stochastic> is it feasible to put the two release options side-by-side
[18:05] <stochastic> In general I like the state of the site quite a bit right now
[18:06] <stochastic> I'd really like to find images for all of the feature window backgrounds so that none are duplicates
[18:06] <knome> side-by-side; not really, there's so little space
[18:06] <knome> maybe just list LTS first, like xubuntu
[18:07] <stochastic> hmm, I'm not sure that's desired
[18:07] <stochastic> I'll try to play with the layout of that content to see if there's another solution
[18:07] <knome> yep
[18:09] <stochastic> I think the background images for that feature window need to be set in stone before the upload to canonical as it'll just be a PITA to change later
[18:10] <knome> it's not. they can be managed from the admin interface
[18:10] <stochastic> oh yeah, I was thinking of the drupal way of managing that
[18:11] <stochastic> where is the admin login again?
[18:11] <knome> url/wp-admin
[18:14] <stochastic> what are your thoughts on the site right now knome?
[18:14] <knome> it's starting to build up
[18:15] <stochastic> the content isn't fully there, but a lot of sites are live with content in its infancy
[18:16] <knome> yeah, but in the most cases, that's bad
[18:16] <knome> there is still time before precise release to fix it
[18:16] <knome> you should at least get the basic right
[18:16] <knome> eg. no "ben, add content here" messages
[18:18] <stochastic> by all means we'll continue to improve it but I don't think the content should stop the cannonical review/upload process
[18:18] <knome> no, definitely not
[18:18] <knome> that has nothing to do with it
[18:18] <knome> and i'm not interested in the content, tbh ;)
[18:18] <knome> i just want to get it looking good and working.
[18:19] <stochastic> do you think it is?
[18:19] <knome> mostly now that i've worked a day with it
[18:19] <stochastic> I love the latest changes, really gives the site professional sparkle
[18:19] <knome> okay, the images are preloaded now
[18:20] <knome> try ctrl+shift+R
[18:20] <stochastic> cool
[18:20] <knome> it does come with a slight pause to the loading
[18:20] <knome> and probably more when you load *all* the images...
[18:20]  * knome is wondering if he should run that in the footer
[18:21] <stochastic> probably a smart idea
[18:22] <stochastic> ScottL, scott-work knome and I think the Canonical review of the site should get under way sooner rather than later.  Do you have the contact for this process?
[18:22] <knome> i do
[18:23] <stochastic> ah, perfect
[18:25] <stochastic> how much work do you think we/you need to spend on the design before the process begins?
[18:27] <knome> once i get the preloading done well, i think there is only trivial things
[18:27] <knome> and they can also be updated later
[18:28] <knome> so basically i'm waiting for an ACK from scott next
[18:30] <knome> the preloading is now pretty smooth
[18:51] <knome> off for a while, at least
[20:20] <scott-work> new qtractor hitting the repos - qtractor (0.5.4-1)
[20:21] <scott-work> knome: and stochastic: i would susggest that the main menu bar say only 'download' rather than 'download ubuntu studio'
[20:21] <scott-work> just a suggestion
[20:22] <knome> worksforme. you can change that from appearance -> menus
[20:35] <scott-work> okay, i'll do that when i get home then :)
[23:09] <knome> ScottL, will you ping me when you're home?
[23:16] <ScottL> knome, ping
[23:16] <knome> :)
[23:16] <knome> so do you think we need to change anything before we push this for staging?
[23:19] <ScottL> knome, do you mean on a fundamental, structural level as a website and not for content?
[23:21] <knome> anything technical or visual
[23:21] <knome> anything that needs touching on the code after we've staging will take time
[23:22] <knome> and code does include css
[23:29] <ScottL> knome, can i have this evening to go over it?  do we have enough time for that?
[23:32] <knome> yup. i'd imagine getting the site to staging takes up to at most 2 weeks, after that updates are pretty quick and pushing to production should be trivial too.
[23:33] <knome> but getting to staging might also take just a few days, but yeah, there's time
[23:33] <knome> i'd just like to get this rolling *now* :)
[23:35] <knome> if you want to go through it with me, that's fine too