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xubuntu578hola02:10
uofm49426question about compiz and xubuntu03:06
uofm49426how do i  intsall it can keep a title bar on windows03:07
uofm49426how do i  intsall it and  keep a title bar on windows03:08
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thilinai recently found some errors with xubuntu...its not compatible with screenlets and cairo dock...this pissed me off05:14
chelzthilina: you can file bugs05:14
thilinachelz how could i do that?? can u plz tell me how to05:15
chelzthilina: When you find bugs, you should report bugs into the Xubuntu Launchpad BugTracker. You can make sure your bugs are more useful by carefully reading and following the bug reporting guidelines.05:17
chelzhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs05:17
chelzhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=xubuntu05:17
thilinathanks chelz im now working with it05:18
thilinaits not easy to understand :(05:25
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HotBitHello, because when making update on xubuntu cannot see on GUI xfce, the speed of download updates (for sample 40kbps)?10:00
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nelson8874hellohello11:01
LachezarHello. Where do I configure personal keyboard settings/preferences?11:06
magerquarkapplication menu --> settings --> settingsmanager --> keyboard11:09
Lachezarmagerquark: Insufficient. I was looking for a place to set special things like lv3:menu_switch and misc:typo.11:13
TheSheepLachezar: there is no gui for that, you have to configure it the traditional way11:13
Lachezarmagerquark: The UI for managing keyboard is way too rudimentary for that, and I am not about to «fix» system-wide settings.11:14
TheSheepLachezar: xmodmap and xkb11:14
TheSheep!xmodmap11:14
LachezarTheSheep: What's the «traditional» way? Fixing files _IS_ a way for me, as long as there is one.11:14
LachezarI need this: setxkbmap -option lv3:menu_switch,misc:typo11:15
LachezarBut where do I put that :-/11:15
TheSheepLachezar: wherever you want, for example in sessions and startup11:16
LachezarTheSheep: Ughhh... Any URI to read? Does not work with startup... I have a KB Applet/Plugin, that overwrites these settings on regular basis.11:16
LachezarTheSheep: I mean Keyboard Layout Switcher applet/plugin.11:17
TheSheepI'm not familiar with that applet, never used it, maybe check if you can configure it to not override that11:18
LachezarTheSheep: It's part of the «goodies». And it too has rudimentary configuration.11:19
TheSheepthen don't use it, bind a key combination to switch your layout or something11:20
LachezarTheSheep: I have configured it, but I still want something to show me the current layout.11:20
TheSheepLachezar: I really don't know, sorry11:21
TheSheepthe docs at http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-xkb-plugin say it detects any changes made with xkb and reconfigures itself accordingly11:24
LachezarTheSheep: Thanks for the try. I suspect it only reconfigures itself for changes in settings it supports. I have seen it pick up changes I do to the layout-switch key-combination, but it wipes out other settings.11:26
TheSheepLachezar: sounds like a bug, you could report it11:26
Lachezar*rant*: I must say I'm disappointed with Xubuntu. I was very disappointed with the direction Ubuntu is going, and I hoped Xubuntu would cling on to the configurability-over-prettyness, but it seems to me Xubuntu is not the choice for someone who wants to have control over the system, not to have the system have control over him.11:28
* Lachezar sighs...11:28
TheSheepLachezar: well, xfce has a much smaller team than gnome and they can't really cover all possible use cases, so often they leave out more obscure things and let you configure them manually11:30
TheSheepLachezar: the xkb plugin breaking your custom settings is probably not an intentional thing, if you report it you have a chance of having it fixed in the next release11:31
TheSheepLachezar: if you don't report it, it will stay like that11:31
knomeLachezar, i'm sorry you are disappointed. in my point of view, xubuntu has more configurability than ubuntu. as TheSheep said, if you don't file a bug, nobody can fix it...11:32
MarzataLachezar: what layouts do you use?11:36
* Marzata we use 3 writing systems and have no problem with Xubuntu. 11:38
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LachezarMarzata: (sorry, was away) I am using only xkb with EN and BG layout. It works very well until I need some obscure settings.12:27
MarzataLachezar: what are they?12:28
LachezarMarzata: lv3:menu_switch,misc:typo12:33
LachezarMarzata: I like using the MENU+KEY cmbination to has quick access to «» °®™ etc.12:34
* Lachezar looks puzzled at his own bad English.12:34
* TheSheep uses compose for that12:34
TheSheepof course it replaces caps lock12:35
LachezarTheSheep: We've had this conversation. Compose seems like too much work, and gives me headaches when I try to «cancel» composition.12:35
MarzataLachezar: I have never used menu but I have Russian, Icelandic, ... no problem12:35
Marzataðþæå  эы̀а́а̀12:36
LachezarMarzata: The language-specific characters are easy. Like I've said it's the non-generic stuff that gives me headaches.12:39
Marzatathis is ° on the keyboard :)12:40
Marzatathis ® also12:41
Marzata«» this too12:41
Lachezar„Абвгдеж“ is OK, I even have the „ѝ“, which is a special character, but «special quoting» is not there. How to you write °? I use MENU-D12:41
TheSheepcompopse > > :D12:41
Marzataѝ must not be used12:42
Marzatayou must compose it, not an additional symbol for it12:42
LachezarMarzata: ѝ is NOT a composite character! It's a special UNIQUE PURPOSE character.12:43
LachezarIt has it's own UNICODE code.12:43
Marzatawho did it, did it wrongly, must be composed12:43
LachezarMarzata: WRONG! Language specifics! This is NOT the ́и, it is ѝ12:44
Lachezar(first one is composed, second one is the special character).12:44
Marzataboth here are composed ѝ и́12:44
Marzatano need for a symbol for this12:45
LachezarNope... Like I've said... It may look as if it's an accented character, but it is not.12:45
Marzatacoz later you will need symbol for а, ъ, о, у, е, ...12:45
LachezarMarzata: No, you don't! ONLY one special character, that represents a special word (one-letter word): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_with_grave_%28Cyrillic%2912:47
LachezarYou should NOT apply your Latin thinking to non-latin alphabets.12:48
MarzataLachezar: again, who did that, did it wrong.12:48
LachezarMarzata: Nope... You are :)12:49
knomeboys12:49
MarzataLachezar: you can only wish so...12:49
knomecalm down12:49
knomeLachezar, please file a bug12:49
Marzataknome: sorry12:50
LachezarI am calm... knome: To omuch work... and Yet Another Password To Remember Or Forget Instantly ;)12:50
knomeLachezar, in that case, don't expect this to be fixed12:50
* knome wipes Lachezar's permission to whine about this in the future12:51
Lachezarknome: Yes, I don't expect this to be fixed. I don't expect this to be fixed EVEN if I submit the bug. I've had _NONE_ of the bugs fixed in Launchpad. Gave up on that idea long ago. I don't bother wasting time to submit a bug, just to find out someone decided to mark it as a duplicate of something completely unrelated.12:52
* Lachezar promisses not to whine about that. Or anything else Linux for that matter.12:52
knomewell, filing bugs is the only way to make the developers know of them12:53
Marzataknome: most ppl are lazy to do it12:55
knomeMarzata, i know.12:55
Marzataknome: they still think Linux is coming from Santa, not from the community.12:56
hobgoblinin the past I felt it was pointless to do so - not so much now though I hasten to add12:57
knomewell, it all depends on the severity of the bug12:57
hobgoblinI know :)12:57
LachezarMarzata,  knome: The urge to file a bug quickly dissipates when one sees nothing in exchange.12:57
knomeLachezar, i'm sorry for your bad experiences12:58
hobgoblinLachezar: a lot of the time if it's just one person and no-one can verify it - then it's hard12:58
hobgoblinbut I understand your point12:58
LachezarMarzata,  knome: I've recently come across a pretty nasty defect in aptitude... Got my issue yanked as a duplicate, and then marked as 'Will eventyally fix in some far-away release, but foirget for back-porting'.12:59
MarzataLachezar: isn't that xfce xkb plugin written by Bulgarian?12:59
xubuntu362hi12:59
knomei understand that too. but as a contributor, i also want to make it clear that without bug reports, bugs are not most probably going to be fixed12:59
LachezarMarzata: Dunno. The About box does not say :-/12:59
Lachezarknome: Yes, being a software developer myself I _KNOW_ that it's crucial...13:00
MarzataLachezar: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-xkb-plugin13:01
knomeokay, if you guys want to continue, move to #xubuntu-offtopic. i think that's it for this :)13:01
knomexubuntu362, hello13:01
MarzataLachezar: "Written by Alexander Iliev". Why you guys don't get together and have a beer and fix it?13:02
LachezarLeaving those off-topic aside: where in Xubuntu do I configure xkb settings (per user).13:45
timmillwoodsystem hangs at "Asking all remaining processes to terminate..."14:21
timmillwood;(14:21
Marzatatimmillwood: it happens even with the supercomputers.14:28
timmillwoodI'll see what happens next reboot14:28
* timmillwood likes to think he has a super computer.14:28
Marzatatimmillwood: btw, Cray is using Windows for they web site.14:30
timmillwoodhuh?14:30
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sambroinstead of using alt+tab to switch between open applications, is there a way to just type the name of an open application and it will toggle to that application?16:34
holsteinsambro: i use kupfer ... not sure about toggling, though im sure theres a way16:35
xslhow do i disable right click and middle click on the xfce desktop?16:39
sambrothanks holstein, looks like there is a 'window-list' plugin for kupfer that i can use16:41
holstein:)16:43
holsteinxsl: check out https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics and see if that helps :)16:44
DarkLordZimwhen i install wireshark via apt-get, i get an Lua error  "Lua: Error during loading: [string "/usr/share/wireshark/init.lua"]:45:dofile has been disabled.17:43
DarkLordZimthen wireshark freezes after a few minutes of captures17:43
DarkLordZimis there another way i'm supposed to install it to run on Xubuntu 64?17:44
developerhello, i'm having a strange problem with an application launcher. i developed an application and i want to create a launcher for it on the desktop. it needs to be launched with the application's root working directory. I created a launcher on the panel, specifying the working dir and the executable. it works. I'm unable to do the same thing on the desktop because the application is always launched referring to my home directory and18:20
developernot the working dir i specified in the launcher. any idea?18:20
xubuntu459Hi at all: I'm trying to install xubuntu 11.10 but the progress bar didn't move since 15min. If I expand the details at the bottom the last line is "dbus [1138]:[system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.UPower'18:23
alexandru4392hello18:25
alexandru4392after a day of using xubuntu 11.10 i conclusioned that it's faster than kubuntu and ubuntu with unity18:27
alexandru4392XUBUNTU IS AWESOME18:28
alexandru4392it just works18:28
baizonit is simple :)18:35
TheSheepsimply awesome18:36
developerhello, i'm having a strange problem with an application launcher. i developed an application and i want to create a launcher for it on the desktop. it needs to be launched with the application's root working directory. I created a launcher on the panel, specifying the working dir and the executable. it works. I'm unable to do the same thing on the desktop because the application is always launched referring to my home directory and18:36
developernot the working dir i specified in the launcher. any idea?18:36
alexandru4392developer can you send me the app so i can test it18:39
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alexandru4392xubuntu is FAST19:29
alexandru4392updated my kernel and installed compiz19:30
TheSheepthat just means your graphics card is fast :)19:33
alexandru4392who uses kernel 3.2.919:40
w30I have a weird xubuntu problem; When I close Firefox it opens libreoffice. I don't have any idea what to do to prevent this or understand it.19:54
TheSheepw30: how did you open firefox?19:54
w30TheSheep, command line,  shortcut, menu, makes no difference.19:57
TheSheepstrange19:57
w30TheSheep, even messing with /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop doesn't help19:58
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w30Is anyone besides me having flash troubles with a 64bit system? Lots of flash sites don't work anymore. Is this because Adobe's flash is advancing without Liniux support/20:35
baizonw30: what version and package do you use?20:35
baizoni got no problems with flash at all20:36
w30baizon, xubuntu 11.10 and the latest Adobe 64 bit flash whatever that is called???20:38
w30baizon, where is your libflashplayer.so  placed?20:38
baizoni just installed the package20:39
w30mine is in /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so20:40
w30baizon, did you use the xubuntu repo version?20:41
baizonyes20:42
w30baizon, I tried both -the repo and the Adobe download tar20:42
baizonthe "normal"20:42
w30baizon, I get lots of you need a later flash errors; I am not sure that is an accurate error message though.20:43
w30baizon, you tube flash files always work though.20:44
baizoncheck your flash version20:44
w30either on the site or downloaded .flv files20:44
w30Adobe Flash Player version 11.1.102.63 Your system: Linux 64-bit, Firefox20:47
w30says Adobe20:48
baizonseems ok :)20:48
baizonon what website is the problem?20:49
w30baizon, quite a few news sites( fox news, ABC, ; National Geographic20:55
baizonfirefox 10?20:57
w30baizon, 10.02 Mozilla Firefox for Ubuntu Canonical-1.021:00
jonteHeya. This might not be xubuntu specific, but can I add a new "special" directory in my ~? Like Documents, Desktop, etc. I'm after the customized icon.21:04
TheSheepyou can add emblems to your directories21:06
TheSheepactually I would love to disable the special icons and use normal ones with emblems21:07
w30You  can got to settings-desktop-icons and pick what icons show on your desktop (home trash filesystem removable devices)21:20
w30then you can right click on an empty space on the desktop and create your own launchers21:22
w30you can select icons from various icon types or even all files i.e. your own icons21:25
arboIf the 'several minutes' suggested by the xubuntu installer to wipe the swap space extends into the 30+ minute range, is it safe to assume something's gone wrong?23:04
autifarbo - how much RAM and swap space do you have? Are you upgrading or performing a clean install?23:07
arbo16GB, and whatever xubuntu chooses when installing onto an empty disk (250GB).  clean install.23:07
arboIt's possible the disk itself is crap.  Old disk recovered from another PC.23:08
autifooh - ubuntu might choose 16 or 32 GB for swap - it does take a while - but not 30 minutes - unless you are on an atom processor or something that slow23:08
autifis the HDD led on?23:09
autifor blinking?23:09
autifif yes, then it is working, otherwise - chances are something went wrong23:09
arboYeah.  And the USB I'm installing from shows some intermittent activity.  It's just not what it was earlier in the install (furiously blinking, now just every 6 or so seconds)23:10
autifif there is no disk activity and there is no CPU activity - something is wrong23:10
autifonce every 6 seconds or so does not really count as activity on HDD23:10
autifgo to a terminal - Ctrl Alt F1/F2 etc23:11
autifand using top or soemthing see what the CPU load is23:11
autifif the load is high then be patient, otherwise - ....23:11
autifi can not think of alternatives23:12
autifif either of the two are active - CPU or disk activity - you are fine - otherwise not23:12
arbo2haha, and now I can't get back into x23:14
autifCtrl Alt F723:15
autiftry all the F1, F2 buttons in order - F7 should be X23:15
autifsorry to quit on you, but I gotta run. All the best, someone should be able to help23:17
Pasq89if i try to delete files in NTFS partition i get: unable to find or create Trash23:33
Pasq89shift+delete does the trick, but what if i want to have a chance to restore those files later? any solution?23:34
pamposzekHey, I have problem installing xubuntu 12.04 from CD, some 'unrecoverable problem' during copying. Maybe someone can help?23:43
knomedid you check the CD integrity?23:44
pamposzekhow do I do that?23:44
knomechecksums23:44
knomehttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ <- check that or any other appropriate page for the sums23:45
pamposzekHm, it's different..23:48
pamposzekSo I need to download again?23:48
knomeif you downloaded today's image and the checksum doesn't match, then yes23:48
Pasq89pampo?23:48
pamposzekyea?23:48
knomebut please note that 12.04 is still beta23:48
Pasq89tipote re.. aplws ise dikos mas... gt en dokimazeis pou usb?23:49
knomePasq89, english only please23:49
pamposzekThere shouldn't be problems with booting via USB? I just used last cd.23:49
Pasq89okay knome23:49
knomepamposzek, should work with the desktop image23:50
magerquarkis it possible to update 11.10 to 12.04 with apt-get?23:50
magerquarkin an easy manner23:50
Pasq89any solution for the: unable to find or create thrash on nfts partition? (exept of shift+delete..) also tried to create .thrash-MyId23:51
knomemagerquark, update-manager -d23:51
pamposzekok thanks then, I'll try non beta via usb. Also, installer was doing some strange stuff. When I checked to replace old ubuntu, he created multiple swap partitions and corrupted grub. Hope it will work now.23:51
knomemagerquark, but please remember it's still beta...23:51
magerquarkknome, muchas gracias23:52
knomePasq89, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1499345 ?23:52
magerquarkknome, i am running it via virtaulbox23:52
knomemagerquark, right, just making sure23:52
magerquarkso it is just to play with23:53
Pasq89thanx!23:56

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