[02:10] <xubuntu578> hola
[03:06] <uofm49426> question about compiz and xubuntu
[03:07] <uofm49426> how do i  intsall it can keep a title bar on windows
[03:08] <uofm49426> how do i  intsall it and  keep a title bar on windows
[05:14] <thilina> i recently found some errors with xubuntu...its not compatible with screenlets and cairo dock...this pissed me off
[05:14] <chelz> thilina: you can file bugs
[05:15] <thilina> chelz how could i do that?? can u plz tell me how to
[05:17] <chelz> thilina: When you find bugs, you should report bugs into the Xubuntu Launchpad BugTracker. You can make sure your bugs are more useful by carefully reading and following the bug reporting guidelines.
[05:17] <chelz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[05:17] <chelz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=xubuntu
[05:18] <thilina> thanks chelz im now working with it
[05:25] <thilina> its not easy to understand :(
[10:00] <HotBit> Hello, because when making update on xubuntu cannot see on GUI xfce, the speed of download updates (for sample 40kbps)?
[11:01] <nelson8874> hellohello
[11:06] <Lachezar> Hello. Where do I configure personal keyboard settings/preferences?
[11:09] <magerquark> application menu --> settings --> settingsmanager --> keyboard
[11:13] <Lachezar> magerquark: Insufficient. I was looking for a place to set special things like lv3:menu_switch and misc:typo.
[11:13] <TheSheep> Lachezar: there is no gui for that, you have to configure it the traditional way
[11:14] <Lachezar> magerquark: The UI for managing keyboard is way too rudimentary for that, and I am not about to «fix» system-wide settings.
[11:14] <TheSheep> Lachezar: xmodmap and xkb
[11:14] <TheSheep> !xmodmap
[11:14] <Lachezar> TheSheep: What's the «traditional» way? Fixing files _IS_ a way for me, as long as there is one.
[11:15] <Lachezar> I need this: setxkbmap -option lv3:menu_switch,misc:typo
[11:15] <Lachezar> But where do I put that :-/
[11:16] <TheSheep> Lachezar: wherever you want, for example in sessions and startup
[11:16] <Lachezar> TheSheep: Ughhh... Any URI to read? Does not work with startup... I have a KB Applet/Plugin, that overwrites these settings on regular basis.
[11:17] <Lachezar> TheSheep: I mean Keyboard Layout Switcher applet/plugin.
[11:18] <TheSheep> I'm not familiar with that applet, never used it, maybe check if you can configure it to not override that
[11:19] <Lachezar> TheSheep: It's part of the «goodies». And it too has rudimentary configuration.
[11:20] <TheSheep> then don't use it, bind a key combination to switch your layout or something
[11:20] <Lachezar> TheSheep: I have configured it, but I still want something to show me the current layout.
[11:21] <TheSheep> Lachezar: I really don't know, sorry
[11:24] <TheSheep> the docs at http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-xkb-plugin say it detects any changes made with xkb and reconfigures itself accordingly
[11:26] <Lachezar> TheSheep: Thanks for the try. I suspect it only reconfigures itself for changes in settings it supports. I have seen it pick up changes I do to the layout-switch key-combination, but it wipes out other settings.
[11:26] <TheSheep> Lachezar: sounds like a bug, you could report it
[11:28] <Lachezar> *rant*: I must say I'm disappointed with Xubuntu. I was very disappointed with the direction Ubuntu is going, and I hoped Xubuntu would cling on to the configurability-over-prettyness, but it seems to me Xubuntu is not the choice for someone who wants to have control over the system, not to have the system have control over him.
[11:28]  * Lachezar sighs...
[11:30] <TheSheep> Lachezar: well, xfce has a much smaller team than gnome and they can't really cover all possible use cases, so often they leave out more obscure things and let you configure them manually
[11:31] <TheSheep> Lachezar: the xkb plugin breaking your custom settings is probably not an intentional thing, if you report it you have a chance of having it fixed in the next release
[11:31] <TheSheep> Lachezar: if you don't report it, it will stay like that
[11:32] <knome> Lachezar, i'm sorry you are disappointed. in my point of view, xubuntu has more configurability than ubuntu. as TheSheep said, if you don't file a bug, nobody can fix it...
[11:36] <Marzata> Lachezar: what layouts do you use?
[11:38]  * Marzata we use 3 writing systems and have no problem with Xubuntu. 
[12:27] <Lachezar> Marzata: (sorry, was away) I am using only xkb with EN and BG layout. It works very well until I need some obscure settings.
[12:28] <Marzata> Lachezar: what are they?
[12:33] <Lachezar> Marzata: lv3:menu_switch,misc:typo
[12:34] <Lachezar> Marzata: I like using the MENU+KEY cmbination to has quick access to «» °®™ etc.
[12:34]  * Lachezar looks puzzled at his own bad English.
[12:34]  * TheSheep uses compose for that
[12:35] <TheSheep> of course it replaces caps lock
[12:35] <Lachezar> TheSheep: We've had this conversation. Compose seems like too much work, and gives me headaches when I try to «cancel» composition.
[12:35] <Marzata> Lachezar: I have never used menu but I have Russian, Icelandic, ... no problem
[12:36] <Marzata> ðþæå  эы̀а́а̀
[12:39] <Lachezar> Marzata: The language-specific characters are easy. Like I've said it's the non-generic stuff that gives me headaches.
[12:40] <Marzata> this is ° on the keyboard :)
[12:41] <Marzata> this ® also
[12:41] <Marzata> «» this too
[12:41] <Lachezar> „Абвгдеж“ is OK, I even have the „ѝ“, which is a special character, but «special quoting» is not there. How to you write °? I use MENU-D
[12:41] <TheSheep> compopse > > :D
[12:42] <Marzata> ѝ must not be used
[12:42] <Marzata> you must compose it, not an additional symbol for it
[12:43] <Lachezar> Marzata: ѝ is NOT a composite character! It's a special UNIQUE PURPOSE character.
[12:43] <Lachezar> It has it's own UNICODE code.
[12:43] <Marzata> who did it, did it wrongly, must be composed
[12:44] <Lachezar> Marzata: WRONG! Language specifics! This is NOT the ́и, it is ѝ
[12:44] <Lachezar> (first one is composed, second one is the special character).
[12:44] <Marzata> both here are composed ѝ и́
[12:45] <Marzata> no need for a symbol for this
[12:45] <Lachezar> Nope... Like I've said... It may look as if it's an accented character, but it is not.
[12:45] <Marzata> coz later you will need symbol for а, ъ, о, у, е, ...
[12:47] <Lachezar> Marzata: No, you don't! ONLY one special character, that represents a special word (one-letter word): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_with_grave_%28Cyrillic%29
[12:48] <Lachezar> You should NOT apply your Latin thinking to non-latin alphabets.
[12:48] <Marzata> Lachezar: again, who did that, did it wrong.
[12:49] <Lachezar> Marzata: Nope... You are :)
[12:49] <knome> boys
[12:49] <Marzata> Lachezar: you can only wish so...
[12:49] <knome> calm down
[12:49] <knome> Lachezar, please file a bug
[12:50] <Marzata> knome: sorry
[12:50] <Lachezar> I am calm... knome: To omuch work... and Yet Another Password To Remember Or Forget Instantly ;)
[12:50] <knome> Lachezar, in that case, don't expect this to be fixed
[12:51]  * knome wipes Lachezar's permission to whine about this in the future
[12:52] <Lachezar> knome: Yes, I don't expect this to be fixed. I don't expect this to be fixed EVEN if I submit the bug. I've had _NONE_ of the bugs fixed in Launchpad. Gave up on that idea long ago. I don't bother wasting time to submit a bug, just to find out someone decided to mark it as a duplicate of something completely unrelated.
[12:52]  * Lachezar promisses not to whine about that. Or anything else Linux for that matter.
[12:53] <knome> well, filing bugs is the only way to make the developers know of them
[12:55] <Marzata> knome: most ppl are lazy to do it
[12:55] <knome> Marzata, i know.
[12:56] <Marzata> knome: they still think Linux is coming from Santa, not from the community.
[12:57] <hobgoblin> in the past I felt it was pointless to do so - not so much now though I hasten to add
[12:57] <knome> well, it all depends on the severity of the bug
[12:57] <hobgoblin> I know :)
[12:57] <Lachezar> Marzata,  knome: The urge to file a bug quickly dissipates when one sees nothing in exchange.
[12:58] <knome> Lachezar, i'm sorry for your bad experiences
[12:58] <hobgoblin> Lachezar: a lot of the time if it's just one person and no-one can verify it - then it's hard
[12:58] <hobgoblin> but I understand your point
[12:59] <Lachezar> Marzata,  knome: I've recently come across a pretty nasty defect in aptitude... Got my issue yanked as a duplicate, and then marked as 'Will eventyally fix in some far-away release, but foirget for back-porting'.
[12:59] <Marzata> Lachezar: isn't that xfce xkb plugin written by Bulgarian?
[12:59] <xubuntu362> hi
[12:59] <knome> i understand that too. but as a contributor, i also want to make it clear that without bug reports, bugs are not most probably going to be fixed
[12:59] <Lachezar> Marzata: Dunno. The About box does not say :-/
[13:00] <Lachezar> knome: Yes, being a software developer myself I _KNOW_ that it's crucial...
[13:01] <Marzata> Lachezar: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-xkb-plugin
[13:01] <knome> okay, if you guys want to continue, move to #xubuntu-offtopic. i think that's it for this :)
[13:01] <knome> xubuntu362, hello
[13:02] <Marzata> Lachezar: "Written by Alexander Iliev". Why you guys don't get together and have a beer and fix it?
[13:45] <Lachezar> Leaving those off-topic aside: where in Xubuntu do I configure xkb settings (per user).
[14:21] <timmillwood> system hangs at "Asking all remaining processes to terminate..."
[14:21] <timmillwood> ;(
[14:28] <Marzata> timmillwood: it happens even with the supercomputers.
[14:28] <timmillwood> I'll see what happens next reboot
[14:28]  * timmillwood likes to think he has a super computer.
[14:30] <Marzata> timmillwood: btw, Cray is using Windows for they web site.
[14:30] <timmillwood> huh?
[16:34] <sambro> instead of using alt+tab to switch between open applications, is there a way to just type the name of an open application and it will toggle to that application?
[16:35] <holstein> sambro: i use kupfer ... not sure about toggling, though im sure theres a way
[16:39] <xsl> how do i disable right click and middle click on the xfce desktop?
[16:41] <sambro> thanks holstein, looks like there is a 'window-list' plugin for kupfer that i can use
[16:43] <holstein> :)
[16:44] <holstein> xsl: check out https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics and see if that helps :)
[17:43] <DarkLordZim> when i install wireshark via apt-get, i get an Lua error  "Lua: Error during loading: [string "/usr/share/wireshark/init.lua"]:45:dofile has been disabled.
[17:43] <DarkLordZim> then wireshark freezes after a few minutes of captures
[17:44] <DarkLordZim> is there another way i'm supposed to install it to run on Xubuntu 64?
[18:20] <developer> hello, i'm having a strange problem with an application launcher. i developed an application and i want to create a launcher for it on the desktop. it needs to be launched with the application's root working directory. I created a launcher on the panel, specifying the working dir and the executable. it works. I'm unable to do the same thing on the desktop because the application is always launched referring to my home directory and
[18:20] <developer> not the working dir i specified in the launcher. any idea?
[18:23] <xubuntu459> Hi at all: I'm trying to install xubuntu 11.10 but the progress bar didn't move since 15min. If I expand the details at the bottom the last line is "dbus [1138]:[system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.UPower'
[18:25] <alexandru4392> hello
[18:27] <alexandru4392> after a day of using xubuntu 11.10 i conclusioned that it's faster than kubuntu and ubuntu with unity
[18:28] <alexandru4392> XUBUNTU IS AWESOME
[18:28] <alexandru4392> it just works
[18:35] <baizon> it is simple :)
[18:36] <TheSheep> simply awesome
[18:36] <developer> hello, i'm having a strange problem with an application launcher. i developed an application and i want to create a launcher for it on the desktop. it needs to be launched with the application's root working directory. I created a launcher on the panel, specifying the working dir and the executable. it works. I'm unable to do the same thing on the desktop because the application is always launched referring to my home directory and
[18:36] <developer> not the working dir i specified in the launcher. any idea?
[18:39] <alexandru4392> developer can you send me the app so i can test it
[19:29] <alexandru4392> xubuntu is FAST
[19:30] <alexandru4392> updated my kernel and installed compiz
[19:33] <TheSheep> that just means your graphics card is fast :)
[19:40] <alexandru4392> who uses kernel 3.2.9
[19:54] <w30> I have a weird xubuntu problem; When I close Firefox it opens libreoffice. I don't have any idea what to do to prevent this or understand it.
[19:54] <TheSheep> w30: how did you open firefox?
[19:57] <w30> TheSheep, command line,  shortcut, menu, makes no difference.
[19:57] <TheSheep> strange
[19:58] <w30> TheSheep, even messing with /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop doesn't help
[20:35] <w30> Is anyone besides me having flash troubles with a 64bit system? Lots of flash sites don't work anymore. Is this because Adobe's flash is advancing without Liniux support/
[20:35] <baizon> w30: what version and package do you use?
[20:36] <baizon> i got no problems with flash at all
[20:38] <w30> baizon, xubuntu 11.10 and the latest Adobe 64 bit flash whatever that is called???
[20:38] <w30> baizon, where is your libflashplayer.so  placed?
[20:39] <baizon> i just installed the package
[20:40] <w30> mine is in /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
[20:41] <w30> baizon, did you use the xubuntu repo version?
[20:42] <baizon> yes
[20:42] <w30> baizon, I tried both -the repo and the Adobe download tar
[20:42] <baizon> the "normal"
[20:43] <w30> baizon, I get lots of you need a later flash errors; I am not sure that is an accurate error message though.
[20:44] <w30> baizon, you tube flash files always work though.
[20:44] <baizon> check your flash version
[20:44] <w30> either on the site or downloaded .flv files
[20:47] <w30> Adobe Flash Player version 11.1.102.63 Your system: Linux 64-bit, Firefox
[20:48] <w30> says Adobe
[20:48] <baizon> seems ok :)
[20:49] <baizon> on what website is the problem?
[20:55] <w30> baizon, quite a few news sites( fox news, ABC, ; National Geographic
[20:57] <baizon> firefox 10?
[21:00] <w30> baizon, 10.02 Mozilla Firefox for Ubuntu Canonical-1.0
[21:04] <jonte> Heya. This might not be xubuntu specific, but can I add a new "special" directory in my ~? Like Documents, Desktop, etc. I'm after the customized icon.
[21:06] <TheSheep> you can add emblems to your directories
[21:07] <TheSheep> actually I would love to disable the special icons and use normal ones with emblems
[21:20] <w30> You  can got to settings-desktop-icons and pick what icons show on your desktop (home trash filesystem removable devices)
[21:22] <w30> then you can right click on an empty space on the desktop and create your own launchers
[21:25] <w30> you can select icons from various icon types or even all files i.e. your own icons
[23:04] <arbo> If the 'several minutes' suggested by the xubuntu installer to wipe the swap space extends into the 30+ minute range, is it safe to assume something's gone wrong?
[23:07] <autif> arbo - how much RAM and swap space do you have? Are you upgrading or performing a clean install?
[23:07] <arbo> 16GB, and whatever xubuntu chooses when installing onto an empty disk (250GB).  clean install.
[23:08] <arbo> It's possible the disk itself is crap.  Old disk recovered from another PC.
[23:08] <autif> ooh - ubuntu might choose 16 or 32 GB for swap - it does take a while - but not 30 minutes - unless you are on an atom processor or something that slow
[23:09] <autif> is the HDD led on?
[23:09] <autif> or blinking?
[23:09] <autif> if yes, then it is working, otherwise - chances are something went wrong
[23:10] <arbo> Yeah.  And the USB I'm installing from shows some intermittent activity.  It's just not what it was earlier in the install (furiously blinking, now just every 6 or so seconds)
[23:10] <autif> if there is no disk activity and there is no CPU activity - something is wrong
[23:10] <autif> once every 6 seconds or so does not really count as activity on HDD
[23:11] <autif> go to a terminal - Ctrl Alt F1/F2 etc
[23:11] <autif> and using top or soemthing see what the CPU load is
[23:11] <autif> if the load is high then be patient, otherwise - ....
[23:12] <autif> i can not think of alternatives
[23:12] <autif> if either of the two are active - CPU or disk activity - you are fine - otherwise not
[23:14] <arbo2> haha, and now I can't get back into x
[23:15] <autif> Ctrl Alt F7
[23:15] <autif> try all the F1, F2 buttons in order - F7 should be X
[23:17] <autif> sorry to quit on you, but I gotta run. All the best, someone should be able to help
[23:33] <Pasq89> if i try to delete files in NTFS partition i get: unable to find or create Trash
[23:34] <Pasq89> shift+delete does the trick, but what if i want to have a chance to restore those files later? any solution?
[23:43] <pamposzek> Hey, I have problem installing xubuntu 12.04 from CD, some 'unrecoverable problem' during copying. Maybe someone can help?
[23:44] <knome> did you check the CD integrity?
[23:44] <pamposzek> how do I do that?
[23:44] <knome> checksums
[23:45] <knome> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ <- check that or any other appropriate page for the sums
[23:48] <pamposzek> Hm, it's different..
[23:48] <pamposzek> So I need to download again?
[23:48] <knome> if you downloaded today's image and the checksum doesn't match, then yes
[23:48] <Pasq89> pampo?
[23:48] <pamposzek> yea?
[23:48] <knome> but please note that 12.04 is still beta
[23:49] <Pasq89> tipote re.. aplws ise dikos mas... gt en dokimazeis pou usb?
[23:49] <knome> Pasq89, english only please
[23:49] <pamposzek> There shouldn't be problems with booting via USB? I just used last cd.
[23:49] <Pasq89> okay knome
[23:50] <knome> pamposzek, should work with the desktop image
[23:50] <magerquark> is it possible to update 11.10 to 12.04 with apt-get?
[23:50] <magerquark> in an easy manner
[23:51] <Pasq89> any solution for the: unable to find or create thrash on nfts partition? (exept of shift+delete..) also tried to create .thrash-MyId
[23:51] <knome> magerquark, update-manager -d
[23:51] <pamposzek> ok thanks then, I'll try non beta via usb. Also, installer was doing some strange stuff. When I checked to replace old ubuntu, he created multiple swap partitions and corrupted grub. Hope it will work now.
[23:51] <knome> magerquark, but please remember it's still beta...
[23:52] <magerquark> knome, muchas gracias
[23:52] <knome> Pasq89, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1499345 ?
[23:52] <magerquark> knome, i am running it via virtaulbox
[23:52] <knome> magerquark, right, just making sure
[23:53] <magerquark> so it is just to play with
[23:56] <Pasq89> thanx!