[06:34] any idea of precise state of menus being read out with orca, i can hear the shortcut keys only [07:50] Fudge: me too :( [07:51] I want to do some screencasts and audio recordings, but there is no point until menus and dash work again [08:25] AlanBell its been broken for a while now, any ideas on who is working on it and any progress? [08:26] I use precise as my daily OS, I can put up with not being able to use menus but it is a [08:26] pain [08:26] tedg did some work recently on the menu item hints to stop them all being checkboxes, I think TheMuso was doing something on the menus too [08:29] th menus still read tick items to me [08:34] ah, maybe that hasn't landed yet, I was using it from a PPA [08:34] * AlanBell goes to poke tedg [08:37] ah, a ppa, hit me [08:39] my apt-cache is nearly 2gig === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine_ === JackyAlcine_ is now known as jalcine [13:53] AlanBell: do you know of any tips/tools that would be useful for developers to ensure a11y? [13:53] Aside from verbose whatsThis and what-have-you's. === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine_ === JackyAlcine_ is now known as jalcine_ [13:55] Fudge: ppa is https://launchpad.net/~ted/+archive/bugfix [13:55] Fudge: that is the one that fixes all the global menus being checkboxes. They still don't read out the menu item labels. [13:56] jalcine_: there are various people thinking about writing such a document [13:56] in short, the things that cause problems are using non-standard widgets that look visibly like real widgets [13:56] Hm, like calender widgets? [13:56] so the semantic content is completely at odds with what they look like [13:57] yeah, could be. So if someone makes a calendar widget by applying a bunch of styles to 5

then it might look like one control, but a screen reader would find 5 separate lists of days === jalcine_ is now known as JackyAlcine_ === JackyAlcine_ is now known as jalcine_ === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [22:14] Regarding your example of the screenreader's incapability to read those elements, AlanBell. [22:15] yup [22:15] There's this feature in Qt that I know of that allows you to render your own specific accessibility bridge for custom UI widgets. [22:15] QAccessibleBridge. [22:15] Not sure if GTK has something similar, but KDE's used it afaik in a lot of their custom widgets. [22:15] sure [22:16] it is quite possible to make things accessible in gtk [22:16] Yeah, Atk with GTK has Atk object factories. [22:16] Although afaik I think its a little broken right now. [22:16] ...like a lot of GTK a11y... *sigh* [22:17] That'd be a good GSoC project to nab support with. [22:17] If I didn't have to write C++, I'd be behind QT 100% [22:22] :) tradeoffs and opportunity costs, all part of life. [22:26] Yep.