[06:34] <Fudge> any idea of precise state of menus being read out with orca, i can hear the shortcut keys only
[07:50] <AlanBell> Fudge: me too :(
[07:51] <AlanBell> I want to do some screencasts and audio recordings, but there is no point until menus and dash work again
[08:25] <Fudge> AlanBell  its been broken for a while now, any ideas on who is working on it and any progress?
[08:26] <Fudge> I use precise as my daily OS, I can put up with not being able to use menus but it is a 
[08:26] <Fudge> pain
[08:26] <AlanBell> tedg did some work recently on the menu item hints to stop them all being checkboxes, I think TheMuso was doing something on the menus too
[08:29] <Fudge> th menus still read tick items to me
[08:34] <AlanBell> ah, maybe that hasn't landed yet, I was using it from a PPA
[08:34]  * AlanBell goes to poke tedg
[08:37] <Fudge> ah, a ppa, hit me
[08:39] <Fudge> my apt-cache is nearly 2gig
[13:53] <jalcine> AlanBell: do you know of any tips/tools that would be useful for developers to ensure a11y?
[13:53] <jalcine> Aside from verbose whatsThis and what-have-you's.
[13:55] <AlanBell> Fudge: ppa is https://launchpad.net/~ted/+archive/bugfix
[13:55] <AlanBell> Fudge: that is the one that fixes all the global menus being checkboxes. They still don't read out the menu item labels.
[13:56] <AlanBell> jalcine_: there are various people thinking about writing such a document
[13:56] <AlanBell> in short, the things that cause problems are using non-standard widgets that look visibly like real widgets
[13:56] <jalcine_> Hm, like calender widgets?
[13:56] <AlanBell> so the semantic content is completely at odds with what they look like
[13:57] <AlanBell> yeah, could be. So if someone makes a calendar widget by applying a bunch of styles to 5 <ul> html objects (one per week with days in them)
[13:58] <AlanBell> then it might look like one control, but a screen reader would find 5 separate lists of days
[22:14] <jalcine> Regarding your example of the screenreader's incapability to read those elements, AlanBell.
[22:15] <AlanBell> yup
[22:15] <jalcine> There's this feature in Qt that I know of that allows you to render your own specific accessibility bridge for custom UI widgets. 
[22:15] <jalcine> QAccessibleBridge.
[22:15] <jalcine> Not sure if GTK has something similar, but KDE's used it afaik in a lot of their custom widgets.
[22:15] <AlanBell> sure
[22:16] <AlanBell> it is quite possible to make things accessible in gtk
[22:16] <TheMuso> Yeah, Atk with GTK has Atk object factories.
[22:16] <TheMuso> Although afaik I think its a little broken right now.
[22:16] <TheMuso> ...like a lot of GTK a11y... *sigh*
[22:17] <jalcine> That'd be a good GSoC project to nab support with.
[22:17] <TheMuso> If I didn't have to write C++, I'd be behind QT 100%
[22:22] <jalcine> :) tradeoffs and opportunity costs, all part of life.
[22:26] <TheMuso> Yep.