[02:15] how do I find out what my "compose" key is? [02:15] programatically hopefully [02:17] thumper, you mean, apart from looking in the advanced keyboard layout settings dialog? [02:17] bryceh: yeah [02:17] I know that it is bound to AltGr on my keyboard [02:17] but I'm trying to write an automated test [02:17] also [02:17] as far as X is concerned [02:17] my AltGr isn't Alt_R [02:18] it is a multikey [02:18] thumper, good question. I've assumed it's stored in gconf, but haven't ever looked for it [02:18] bryceh: where is the advanced keyboard layout settings dialog? [02:20] nm [02:20] found it [02:20] settings panel > keyboard > layout settings > options [02:20] * thumper nods [02:20] rather buried [02:46] thumper: You should be able to do that with xmodmap or somesuch, I think? === fenris is now known as Guest65492 [03:42] RAOF: got any more specific ways? I've not used xmodmap before [03:45] xmodmap -pk | grep -i multi_key [03:47] Alternatively, if you've got a Display * and you want to learn more about the joy that is XKB, XkbGetMap appears to be your winner. [03:49] thumper: Also, multi_key is X's nomenclature for the compose key. [03:49] RAOF: ah, ok [05:51] Good morning [05:52] jbicha: I'm not opposed to the new keyring version, I just haven't tested it at all; there's quite some code changes in there [05:52] jbicha: and I haven't checked for API and behavioural changes [06:16] quicklist capitalization is a bit inconsistent, I think sentence case is the standard but someone else should take a look at my change to gedit [07:12] good morning [07:13] hey didrocks [07:13] guten morgen pitti, how are you? [07:13] quite fine, thank you! how about you? [07:14] pitti: I'm fine as well, thanks ;) [07:15] Bah! That bug where would bring up the alt-tab switcher is back in the unity-team PPA. [07:19] good morning, could someone look at this last glib change http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/glib/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/patches/61_glib-compile-schemas-path.patch -- gdbu-codegen is actually located in /usr/bin [07:27] RAOF: back? [07:27] RAOF: it has been fixed yesterday [07:27] * didrocks looks again at trunk [07:27] It was fixed in the archive... [07:27] * RAOF may be out of date, though. [07:28] RAOF: did you upgrade today? (there is no new revisions) [07:28] meaning as well that remaining release critical bockers aren't fixed :/ [07:28] RAOF: rev 2048 [07:28] I'm not sure if I upgraded today or not. [07:28] apt-cache policy unity ? [07:29] bzr2047. So that's fixed in the update. [07:29] phew [07:29] don't do that ever ever again! I have enough load of bad news from them everyday :) [07:29] ...need to get 764MB of updates... [07:46] Garghl. Stupid autotools, nodist_xfixes_barrier_SOURCES != nodist_xfixes_barriers_SOURCES. Would a sensible error message *really* be too much to ask for? [07:49] pitti: oh btw, meeting reminder day! :) [07:56] didrocks: merci! [08:07] moin! [08:09] hey Sweetshark [08:14] * Sweetshark is sorting in duplicates again. [08:21] hey Sweetshark [08:22] didrocks: hey, so I heard people are reporting unitys intended behaviour as a bug? [08:23] well halo thar [08:23] Sweetshark: well, it's really not quite clear from the bug report, isn't it? :) [08:23] Sweetshark: when you hover the panel with a libro maximized, you have the buttons as well? [08:23] any updates on the shell 3.4 testing? :) [08:33] pitti: argh, was about to do gnome-icon-theme :) [08:33] didrocks: ok, then please do [08:33] pitti: ok, for once I have some times to do some GNOME updates ;) [08:33] didrocks: -symbolic, too? [08:33] yeah ;) [08:34] didrocks: I'll merge ibus then [08:34] good luck :) [08:36] pitti: ah, -symbolic is in sync from debian, maybe you want to upload to experimental + sync? [08:36] we could do that, yes [08:36] but then we should also update g-i-t [08:37] (in Debian) [08:37] hum, as you wish then :) [08:37] didrocks: for now, I think it's a bit far ahead in Debian [08:37] we barely got the new glib [08:37] pitti: ok, let's upload to ubuntu directly for now then [08:37] ah ahead [08:38] ok, let's wait for syncing for -symbolic maybe [08:43] didrocks: with libo maximized it works [08:43] Sweetshark: ok, let's wait on the bug report then [08:43] didrocks: with LibreOffice in fullscreen mode it doesnt and it shouldnt [08:44] indeed [09:07] hmmm, this isn't good. i can't configure both of my displays to be on this morning [09:11] mvo - ping ? [09:11] hey [09:12] salut seb128 [09:12] lut didrocks, en forme? [09:12] seb128: ça va, et toi? :) [09:13] un peu fatigué mais ca va sinon [09:13] travaillé tard, non? [09:13] didrocks, pitti, jbicha: thanks for doing updates! [09:13] hey seb128 [09:13] didrocks, yeah, until 1am, wanted to get the new gtk out [09:13] but I got it in the ppa after all, it's a bit buggy [09:13] hey pitti [09:16] pitti, no need of meeting reminder reminder today I see! [09:16] seb128: didrocks already reminded me [09:16] pitti, http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bug-fixing/canonical-desktop-team-precise-fixes-report.html [09:16] pitti, so we tie again! [09:16] * pitti ^5s seb128 [09:16] who broke multimonitor in precise? ;) [09:16] it would be nice if we could tie at precise release time [09:17] chrisccoulson: broken how? seems to work here [09:17] pitti - i can't get both screens to switch on. i just get an obscure error from the display panel [09:17] and now i've managed to get unity to think both screens are on [09:18] and all my windows are appearing on the screen that i can't see [09:18] chrisccoulson, was there any xorg or unity change recently? [09:18] not sure [09:18] chrisccoulson, I blame hardware and your dock station :p [09:18] 1 second, i'm going to have to log out again [09:18] this must be about the 7th time already in 15 minutes ;) [09:18] I had weird cases where I had to power off my laptop to "fix" ports detection [09:20] * pitti notes that "tig_ER" is a funny name for a locale [09:20] pitti, is that really a locale?! [09:20] ok, it's definitely completely broken here :( [09:21] seb128: yes, just spotted it when running langpack-locale's tests [09:21] didrocks, gnome-icon-theme-symbolic (didrocks) -> let's wait on debian to sync it? [09:21] didrocks, I think we can wait after precise if we do that :p or ping pitti to do the update in Debian... [09:21] seb128: pitti told me that debian was ahead of us? [09:21] seb128: we quickly mentioned it, but if we update it in debian, we should update g-i-t in experimental, too [09:21] certianly doable [09:22] didrocks: err, no? [09:22] I meant that starting to update gnome packages to 3.4 sounds a bit early for Debian at this point [09:22] we just barely got a newer glib [09:22] 09:37:18 pitti | didrocks: for now, I think it's a bit far ahead in Debian [09:22] ah [09:22] ok, I understood the opposite [09:22] will do then :) [09:22] sorry for the confusion [09:22] no, *I*'m sorry for it :) [09:22] seb128: "Tigre" in Eritrea [09:23] ok, gedit crashes on closing [09:23] pitti, learning every day ;-) [09:23] seb128: it does sound like there could be a few tigers there, though :) [09:23] not sure how much jbicha tried it [09:23] didrocks, .6? [09:23] seb128: yeah [09:23] didrocks, by experience those are often due to plugins, maybe you use one that he doesn't? [09:24] seb128: hum, I think I have quite a stock config [09:24] let me upgrad [09:24] seb128: it's in the vcs still [09:24] because he wanted to check the quicklist changed (see the pad) [09:24] oh ok [09:27] ronoc: pong [09:27] mvo, hey [09:28] mvo, so i noticed yesterday that the RestartSchedule'd' signal has been renamed [09:28] to RestartSchedule() [09:28] on the packagekit interface [09:29] is this to stay that way [09:29] the i-session will of course not be sensitive to such signals if it's matching against the wrong string [09:30] ronoc, hey [09:31] ronoc, glatzor seemed to say it didn't yesterday, are you sure you didn't typoed it in your commit? [09:31] didrocks: hmmm, the plot thickens .. [09:32] seb128, am maybe i did, i thought it did work previously [09:32] Sweetshark: what do you mean? [09:32] i will change it back now to 'RestartSchedule' [09:35] ronoc, thanks [09:35] tkamppeter_: do you have an opinion on the patch in debian bug 662660 ? [09:35] Debian bug 662660 in cups-filters "cups-filters: Please drop ttf-freefonts and use fontconfig to find the best-matching similar font" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/662660 [09:35] tkamppeter_: seems upstreamable to me [09:38] didrocks: LibreOffice is doing fine. lo-menubar is acting up. [09:40] didrocks: see bug 884523, bug 945317. the second one is esp. interesting as it is 2d only. [09:40] Launchpad bug 884523 in unity-2d "after oct 31 update, libreoffice can't detach from global menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/884523 [09:40] Launchpad bug 945317 in unity-2d "menubar doesn't show in unity2d" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945317 [09:40] Sweetshark: please ping the 2d guys on #ubuntu-unity then [09:40] for #1, seems to be an extension issue [09:41] didrocks, did you encounter "#error "Only can be included directly.""? [09:41] didrocks, Hud.h includes [09:41] seb128: hm, did we decide to keep libgnomekbd at 3.2, or has there just not been a 3.3.x release yet? [09:41] pitti, the second [09:42] seb128: grabbing then; also, want me to do nautilus, or do you want to? [09:42] * pitti grabs gnome-themes-standard, too [09:42] pitti, as noted on the pad it's done in the vcs but blocked on gtk to be uploaded [09:42] pitti, gtk breaks mouse whell scrolling [09:42] seb128: ah sorry, missed that [09:43] which is rather annoying for users [09:43] indeed [09:43] so I keep it in the ppa until that's sorted [09:45] Saviq: I think you need to include glib.h before including glib/gvariant.h [09:45] didrocks, yeah, sounds like it, but it's in UnityCore/Hud.h === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [09:46] Saviq: try on your side, before including Hud.h to include glib.h directly [09:46] didrocks, yup, doing that [09:51] pitti, for me it looks OK. What is missing is the aprropriate portion for ./configure. Especially there one could perhaps even make the build dependency on fontconfig optional, so that a packager or a user can decide whether he wants the fontconfig bits (we want them). [09:55] tkamppeter: ah, it already build-deps on fontconfig-dev, so I had assumed it already uses it anyway [09:57] pitti, then perhaps another componant uses fontconfig. [09:57] tkamppeter: ah, I think it was a workaround for the new poppler [09:59] tkamppeter: I want to upload cups-filters to D/U today, do you still have anything for this? [10:00] pitti, then I will add that patch upstream and make a new upstream release and prepare a package on the BZR for you to upload. [10:01] pitti, but now I remember that I am still waiting for a pdftopdf fix from larsu. [10:02] tkamppeter: ah, it's not that urgent (the fontconfig patch) [10:02] tkamppeter: but if you want to, sure [10:03] pitti, pdftoopvp seems to use fontconfig, therefore ./configure already checks for it. [10:04] meh, the i386 CD is again oversized -- stop bloating! [10:06] added python-paramiko, libo grew a bit [10:07] ah, duplicity pulls in paramiko now [10:11] TheMuso: do you want to handle the atk1.0 update to 3.3.91? [10:17] didrocks, the hack you did for unity-merger doesn't seem to work [10:18] Saviq: argh, it doesn't install unity-common? [10:18] Saviq: I need to test it myself, will do shortly [10:18] didrocks, the dir isn't there in time for B [10:18] s/B/D/ [10:18] scripts [10:19] ah, crap :/ [10:19] need to check if the .dsc is there then [10:19] will have a look lalter [10:20] didrocks, I'll check out things and let you know [10:23] and a nice kernel panic for me :( [10:23] :-( [10:24] chrisccoulson, did you solve your monitor issues? [10:24] seb128, not yet. i'm on just one screen :( [10:25] didrocks, "/var/cache/pbuilder/precise-amd64/result/unity-2d_5.4.0-0ubuntu1.dsc" is there [10:26] Saviq: well, I'm alreay in the chroot, so I need to look here [10:26] didrocks, that's the chroot [10:27] Saviq: yeah, but you have as well all the other packages, isn't? [10:27] didrocks, I dropped to shell in D10specifitests [10:27] didrocks, that's the only .dsc, though [10:27] ah interesting then :) [10:27] ok, will use that then [10:27] can you give it a try? [10:27] with -f [10:27] didrocks, but I didn't build anything else there [10:28] didrocks, so there might be more .dsc if you build other things, no? [10:28] ah [10:28] yeah [10:28] Saviq: nothing in /tmp/buildd ? [10:28] didrocks, empty [10:28] hum… [10:28] need to give a deeper look, not now though :( [10:28] didrocks, `find -name *unity-2d* /` only gave me the /var/cache :/ [10:29] didrocks, that's fine, just wanted to let you know what I found [10:35] seb128, hmmm, so, deleting my monitor.xml "fixes" it ;) [10:35] :-( [10:35] was it corrupted? [10:36] the xrandr code didn't change recently I think [10:38] seb128, yeah, there's a couple of strange configurations in there actually [10:39] those 2 are weird: http://paste.ubuntu.com/871264/ [10:40] yeah, I get chrisccoulson to do desktop debugging for the second time this week \o/ :p [10:40] seeing as i have no VGA, and one of them has no settings for the laptop panel, which is what i couldn't get to switch on [10:40] weird [10:40] the question is to know how you landed with that config... [10:41] not sure :) [10:41] did you use the capplet recently? [10:41] or cycle using the hotkey? [10:42] i haven't used either of those for a while [10:42] but i did dock with my lid closed this morning, which i don't normally do [11:12] seb128, hi [11:12] ricotz, hey [11:12] seb128, did my message about glib reach you somehow? [11:12] ricotz, no [11:13] gdbus-codegen is located in /usr/bin [11:13] not in /usr/lib/... [11:13] oh, so the .pc is wrong? [11:13] no the patch is wrong ;) [11:13] well, the patch to the .pc [11:13] so the .pc in result [11:13] yeah [11:14] gotcha, I didn't look hard, I though it was similar to the other binaries [11:14] shouldn't it be installed in the same dir than the others? [11:15] hmm, not sure [11:17] ricotz, I will fix it in the next upload, thanks [11:17] ricotz, is anything using the .pc to get the gdbus command? [11:17] pitti, there? how did you " import 1.1.4.is.1.1.3-0ubuntu1 upload: Revert to 1.1.3 until we can figure out proper solution to bug 944736 [11:17] " [11:17] Launchpad bug 944736 in lightdm "Fails to load any session" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944736 [11:17] seb128, ok, dont know, but if so it will break [11:17] in lightdm? [11:18] seb128: I grabbed the debdiff from LP and applied it [11:18] pitti, ok [11:18] seb128: so that commit could just be reverted before upgrading to the new version (except changelog) [11:18] pitti, hi [11:18] ricotz: hallo, wie gehts? [11:19] pitti, right, I tried to bzr merge-upstream but it's making my life miserable [11:19] pitti, tons of conflicts, I tried to resolve --take-other [11:19] 198 files changed, 11371 insertions(+), 12080 deletions(-) [11:19] in the diff.gz [11:19] seb128: right, I think you need to revert that reversion before [11:19] pitti, I will try to reverse that commit and then merge-upstream [11:19] seb128: want me to have a look? [11:19] ah, or that [11:19] pitti, no, that's fine [11:19] pitti, I've everything locally [11:19] pitti, gut, danke, und selbst? [11:20] pitti, I just tried other approchs but failed [11:20] ricotz: prima [11:20] pitti, there migth be some new LO ppa builds this week ;) [11:20] pitti, lucid worked fine without cheating [11:21] nice [11:21] (it only used 21gb for amd64) [11:31] mvo, that 'RestartSchedule' bug is not being triggered [11:31] mvo, what package should i point the relevant bug to [11:33] seb128, do you check gtk yet? [11:33] ronoc: aptdaemon please [11:34] cool [11:36] ricotz, it's in the desktop team ppa, I still have the mouse whell scrolling issues your mentioned [11:36] ricotz, did you talk to mclasen about it? [11:37] seb128, no yet, feel free to do so [11:38] ricotz, I plan to ;-) would have been useful before the release though :-( [11:38] mvo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/aptdaemon/+bug/942104 [11:38] Launchpad bug 942104 in indicator-session "the indicator stopped turning red on restart required" [High,New] [11:38] seb128, i was asking him about the libxi dependency which isnt working for the patched one in oneiric [11:38] seb128, as i said yesterday, disabling the xi2.2 might help [11:39] *support [11:39] ricotz, well, ideally we want both [11:39] xi2.2 and mouse whell [11:39] I will talk to mclasen [11:39] right, i am not sure gtk is blocking something already [11:40] so this would be an option [11:40] only nautilus [11:40] which has 3 commits, 2 coming from Ubuntu (fixes from mterry) we have and one to fix scrolling with the new gtk [11:40] ronoc: ta [11:41] seb128, i see [11:45] seb128: lightdm happier now? [11:46] pitti, yes, I got it sorted, thanks [11:46] pitti, I still don't understand bzr resolve --take-other was not working [11:46] but after reverting your commit it's working [11:47] good [11:50] pitti, larsu has found the cause of the N-up problem of pdftopdf and will work on it this afternonn. cups-filters will most probably ready for its next upload tomorrow in the morning. [11:51] tkamppeter: nice, that sounds fine === Amoz is now known as Afougner === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch === CharlieMike is now known as ayan [12:23] rickspencer3: are you there? [12:23] rickspencer3: we have a bug that needs to be fixed to unblock software center testing and it is not getting enough attention, bug 937119 [12:24] Launchpad bug 937119 in unity "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_foreach()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937119 [12:24] rickspencer3: any help from you to get some traction on this issue much appreciated [12:33] hi there [12:33] asked in -devel but heard it might be better to ask here: how would you recommend overriding a setting set in a /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/*.gschema.override file? (for example org.gnome.desktop.background) [12:35] pitti, I tried the patch from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=662660. I uninstalled ttf-freefont (with --force-depends). The job completes (does not error out and gets removed from the queue) but the output is unreadable. [12:35] Debian bug 662660 in cups-filters "cups-filters: Please drop ttf-freefonts and use fontconfig to find the best-matching similar font" [Wishlist,Open] [12:35] gema: that would be nice that 1. you state that earlier 2. pinged the upstream first (the unity team) 3. try to ping the maintainer in ubuntu before (me) [12:36] pitti, I have also tried to remove the links in /usr/share/cups/fonts/ and it still gives the bad printout. [12:36] gema: I have a priority list where I put items for the upstream list when people ask first [12:37] fantastic. we have a power cut [12:37] for probably the first time since i've lived here! === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [12:37] rickspencer3: FYI ^ [12:48] didrocks: we had someone from unity there saying they cannot reproduce [12:48] didrocks: but now that I know you are the contact person, will do in the future [12:49] didrocks: do you think you can have that at least looked at at some point soonish? [12:49] gema: he didn't tell that, he told the stacktrace wasn't helpful [12:49] didrocks: he has the code to reproduce the problem [12:49] gema: yeah, I'm putting it on the priority list with a high version [12:49] didrocks: thanks [12:49] priority* [12:49] rickspencer3: forget about it, found the man I needed to find :) [12:49] gema: we will have hopefully a new unity release tomorrow, once the release critical will be fixed [12:49] (this won't contain this fix though) [12:50] but I'll ensure they get it fixed then [12:50] and will backport in the package [12:50] didrocks: fair enough, as long as it is on your radar for beta 2 I am happy [12:50] gema: ok, thanks :) [12:50] didrocks: dave is having trouble testing software centre due to it, so it is in everyone's benefit to have it fixed as soon as we can [12:51] didrocks: sorry for the misunderstanding! [12:51] gema: no worry, I'll keep you posted [12:52] didrocks: thanks a lot [12:52] gema: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuMtju1x8UoEdDNCT1U5MlVodjIwNGJPdnU5YVltVmc#gid=1 is the priority list [12:52] didrocks: cool, I will bookmark it [12:53] tkamppeter: ah, thanks for trying === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:54] pitti, so as it is I will not take the patch upstream, it needs some more work. === Afougner is now known as Amoz [12:55] tkamppeter: CC'ed you on my reply [12:55] tkamppeter: right [12:56] pitti, thanks. === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [13:08] seb128: meh, gconf renamed its library? [13:08] libgconf2-4 -> libgconf-2-4 apparently [13:08] just saw it in binNEW [13:09] pitti, dunno, talk to slangasek, I saw he merged the multiarch debian version [13:09] but I didn't look into details, I guess they did [13:09] http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gconf/news/20120226T133315Z.html [13:09] *shrug*, ok [13:09] + Rename libgconf2-4 to libgconf-2-4, make it MA: same. [13:09] + Make libgconf2-4 a dummy MA: same package depending on both too. [13:09] pitti, ^ [13:10] yeah for useless renames... === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine_ [13:38] silly LP exception in the amd64 retracer, restarting.. [13:45] doctor appointment, bbl === JackyAlcine_ is now known as jalcine === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine_ === JackyAlcine_ is now known as jalcine_ [13:56] good morning [13:58] so why does Design not like sentence case any more? "Lock to launcher" seems a pretty strong counter-example [13:58] but then again, it's just terribly inconsistent, "Empty Trash", "New Terminal", Nautilus' "Open a new window" [14:00] jbicha, hey, how are you? [14:00] I want to follow up on the Design mailing list but I'm curious who made the decision for Design this time [14:00] jbicha, it's a bit complicated, HIG, GNOME, etc use "New Tab" [14:00] design whant "New tab" [14:00] style [14:01] I told John it was a bit idea since that inconsistent with GNOME etc [14:01] but he says our design guideline suggest only the start of sentence to be capital cased [14:01] so our options are to follow GNOME or to patch everything out [14:01] I told him we should take the easiest path and follow GNOME style for the lts [14:02] then discuss it at UDS [14:02] jbicha, does it make sense? [14:02] seb128: ok, but that decision needs to be announced or something with all the quicklist activity going on [14:02] tsk, capitalized letters are so overrated, we should drop the first letter capitalization too [14:03] for consistency [14:03] jbicha, it was? [14:03] seb128: where? [14:03] jbicha, the unity list wiki recommend capitalized style and mhall went through the merge request with updated instructions [14:03] jbicha, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/LauncherAPI [14:03] jbicha, "a Name=, which is the entry as it's displayed which should be in title case. " [14:04] the example as well [14:04] Name=Take a Screenshot of the Current Window [14:04] seb128: ok, fair enough, the screenshot on that page needs updating though [14:04] right [14:04] thanks [14:04] yw [14:04] jbicha, sorry for the mess [14:05] jbicha, it's still not clear what is best to me, design recommendation and what they use is conflicting with what we used until now and GNOME is doing [14:05] so either way it's going to be work [14:05] jbicha, do you have an opinion on what is best as an english speaker? ;-) [14:07] I don't think there's a clear best, title case is traditional, but for a good counter-example, the new GNOME help uses sentence case for titles [14:08]