[12:13] <Jeet> Hi
[12:14] <bazhang> hi
[12:18] <Jeet> i wanted to be in ubuntu members i was exploring and reached here !
[15:58] <czajkowski> highvoltage: stgraber ikonia
[15:58] <czajkowski> bah
[15:58] <czajkowski> highvoltage: stgraber meeting reminder for EMEA later
[16:00] <roaksoax> o/
[16:00] <zul> hi
[16:00] <rbasak> o/
[16:01] <arosales> roaksoax: Hello
[16:01] <Daviey> o/
[16:01] <roaksoax> you guys ready?
[16:01] <adam_g> o/
[16:01] <roaksoax> so let's get it started
[16:01] <Daviey> roaksoax: Go!
[16:01] <roaksoax> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
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[16:01] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:01] <roaksoax> there're no previous actions
[16:02] <roaksoax> according to the wikipage
[16:02] <roaksoax> so let's move on
[16:02] <highvoltage> czajkowski: thanks
[16:02] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Precise Development
[16:02] <roaksoax> Daviey: you are up
[16:02] <Daviey> roaksoax: fancy driving it yourself?
[16:02] <roaksoax> Daviey: sure
[16:03] <rbasak> I think this topic should be split. There's quite a lot in it.
[16:03] <roaksoax> so let's go thru the release bugs!
[16:03] <zul> yaay
[16:03] <roaksoax> http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[16:03] <Daviey> rbasak: sure, make a proposal at AOB
[16:03] <roaksoax> bug #924739 -- adam_g any updates?
[16:04] <roaksoax> adam_g: has the newer version that got merged from Debian fixed anything?
[16:04] <adam_g> roaksoax: there is not going to be a fix in debian as far as i can tell, i have some direction on possible solutions
[16:04] <justinlw> o/
[16:05] <adam_g> roaksoax: its not going to be seamless in any case, but we can try to make it obvious to users whats happening when we transition their proxy
[16:05] <Daviey> sounds great!
[16:05] <Daviey> well, "ok"
[16:05] <adam_g> i added some notes to the bug about possible routes we can take, anyone interested should weigh in
[16:06] <roaksoax> adam_g: alright then, I guess once we release backports are gonna be the way to go here until everything is supported
[16:06] <Daviey> next?
[16:06] <roaksoax> so let's move on bug #883988
[16:07] <roaksoax> adam_g / zul any of you taking care of it?
[16:07] <adam_g> roaksoax: for this one upstream has deferred it to their next cycle, best solution IMHO is to carry a patch to disable that autocreation of tables, which is what the other openstack components do already
[16:07] <roaksoax> adam_g: would you take care of it then?
[16:07] <Daviey> adam_g: your plan sounds sane... but we'll need a debconf warning i think
[16:07] <adam_g> roaksoax: yes, ill import the patch that was already proposed to do that and include it in our packaging this week
[16:08] <roaksoax> adam_g: awesome!
[16:08] <roaksoax> bug #893926
[16:08] <Daviey> No progress.
[16:09] <roaksoax> who's taking care of it/who will, are you Daviey ?
[16:09] <Daviey> roaksoax: I hoped upstream were going to TBH.
[16:09] <roaksoax> Daviey: lets not get our hopes up :)
[16:09] <Daviey> roaksoax: We don't need to panic about it right now
[16:09] <roaksoax> indeed. let's move on then  bug #923681
[16:09] <roaksoax> zul: any updates?
[16:09] <Daviey> isn't that fixed zul ?
[16:10] <zul> Daviey: yeah its fixed
[16:10] <Daviey> zul: update the state? :)
[16:10] <roaksoax> alright then. Moving on bug #925024
[16:11] <zul> done
[16:11] <roaksoax> serge is not around apparently
[16:11] <roaksoax> so let's move on
[16:11] <roaksoax> bug  #850443
[16:11] <Daviey> Blocked on upstream progress
[16:11] <roaksoax> alrigh, bug #928990
[16:11] <ScottK> Someone really ought to have a look at amavisd-new.
[16:12] <roaksoax> smoser: ^^?
[16:12] <smoser> roaksoax, no progress htere.
[16:12] <roaksoax> alright. bug #929780
[16:12] <Daviey> ScottK: can you point bugs at the end of this section for 'other pertinent bugs" ?
[16:12] <zul> i need to update that bug as well
[16:13] <Daviey> didn't we question the validity of that?
[16:13] <ScottK> OK
[16:13] <roaksoax> awesome. bug #875262
[16:13] <roaksoax> koolhead17 is not around, so I guess we will need to catch up with him
[16:13] <Daviey> SpamapS is assisting
[16:14] <roaksoax> alright, bug #880339
[16:14] <roaksoax> I have tried to reproduce this bug again for the fourth time with no luck. waiting for a response for the person who filled it. Otherwise, will mark it as invalid
[16:14] <roaksoax> bug #907197
[16:14] <Daviey> super
[16:15] <roaksoax> zul / adam_g ^^
[16:15] <zul> still pending
[16:15] <Daviey> zul: can we have news on it by EoW?
[16:15] <zul> Daviey: sure
[16:15] <roaksoax> ok then! bug #918791
[16:16] <roaksoax> hallyn not here
[16:16] <justinlw> talked w/serge about this
[16:16] <roaksoax> justinlw: any updates you'd care to share with us?
[16:16] <justinlw> there is a patch ... of sorts... I don't think it's a fix, per se, but
[16:16] <justinlw> I'm going to try it out.
[16:16] <Daviey> sounds like it is progressing
[16:17] <roaksoax> indeed. Let;'s move on then. bug #924375
[16:17] <roaksoax> smoser: ?
[16:17] <smoser> i'll take that off the tracking list.
[16:17] <smoser> or change it.
[16:17] <Daviey> smoser: not required now?
[16:17] <smoser> bug 942061 is more rlevant here.
[16:18] <roaksoax> Alright, we need to add it as a release bug. thank you! bug #925024
[16:18] <roaksoax> err is duplicated in the list
[16:18] <roaksoax> bug #928378
[16:19] <roaksoax> zul / adam_g ?
[16:19] <zul> pending
[16:19] <roaksoax> and I guess bug #901881 is related too
[16:20] <roaksoax> bug #887186
[16:20] <roaksoax> Not a worry just yet for orchestra, as we are changing just squid to squid-deb-proxy for MaaS
[16:20] <roaksoax> I'll update accordingly
[16:20] <Daviey> roaksoax: dropping tracking of it
[16:21] <roaksoax> but this should also not longer be an issue withsquid in precise anymore
[16:21] <Daviey> cool
[16:21] <roaksoax> bug #928501
[16:21] <roaksoax> SpamapS: any updates?
[16:21] <Daviey> jamespage: Were you looking at that aswell?
[16:21] <jamespage> Daviey: no but I can help out if need be
[16:22] <Daviey> jamespage: ah, confusing it with another.
[16:22] <SpamapS> Yes I will discuss it later in the meeting
[16:22] <jamespage> I dealt with resara server
[16:22] <Daviey> ah yes
[16:22] <roaksoax> awesome then. Last bug is duplicated so won't touch it
[16:22] <Daviey> super
[16:22] <SpamapS> blueprints?
[16:22] <roaksoax> ScottK: what's the bug number for the issue you want us to keep track of?
[16:23] <ScottK> Bug 930916
[16:23] <ScottK> In general though I think the package needs checking over.
[16:23] <Daviey> nice catch SpamapS
[16:23] <ScottK> I don't think the postfix-amavis stuff is working, but have no time to look into it.
[16:23] <roaksoax> does anyone care to work on it?
[16:24] <roaksoax> this seems that it
[16:24] <Daviey> I wonder if Ivoks has capacity, he has history in that stack
[16:24] <roaksoax> it seems that a fix has been release in Debian, but yet, we would still need the package review
[16:24] <Daviey> Any other issues that should be tracked?
[16:24] <robbiew> chef and ohai are broken...we might need to punt them :/
[16:25] <Daviey> :(
[16:25] <SpamapS> Unless somebody wants to step up and fix them .. like.. now
[16:25] <Daviey> roaksoax: Want to go over blueprints?
[16:25] <roaksoax> Daviey: sure
[16:25]  * robbiew has sent mail to maintainers..waiting on response...will keep tabs on it
[16:26] <SpamapS> robbiew: should we tag that one with the release tag?
[16:26] <Daviey> SpamapS: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-juju-charm-testing is that still progressing?
[16:26] <SpamapS> Daviey: actually yes. Just slowly. :-P
[16:26] <Daviey> SpamapS: likely to make releae?
[16:26] <Daviey> (nothing there is release schedule tied, is it?)
[16:26] <SpamapS> Daviey: there's really nothing left to put in the release of Ubuntu. Its documentation and test writing.
[16:27] <Daviey> right
[16:27] <Daviey> super!
[16:27] <Daviey> adam_g: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-openstack-charms ?
[16:27] <SpamapS> Daviey: I'm more worried about the juju enhancements than the testing stuff.
[16:27] <SpamapS> But that does seem to be trickling into juju trunk.
[16:27] <adam_g> Daviey: i'd like to get to the swift charms rewrite this cycel for sure, but thinking the others may need to wait (and are not tied to release schedule anyway)
[16:28] <Daviey> SpamapS: right!
[16:28] <Daviey> SpamapS: I know robbiew is aware of Subordinate and Constraint seemingly not ready yet.
[16:28] <Daviey> Do you know the status of that?
[16:28] <robbiew> SpamapS: no specific bug yet to tag...just anecdotal information...will get that resolved though ;)
[16:29] <Daviey> adam_g: ssl migration would be nice..
[16:29] <robbiew> Daviey: ack...I believe it's in review still
[16:29] <Daviey> cool
[16:29] <Daviey> zul: do we still neen openvswitch in main?
[16:30] <Daviey> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-openvswitch-mir
[16:30] <zul> Daviey: yeah there some bits in openstack that use it, but i dont think its a priority
[16:30] <SpamapS> Do we need to look at supplementing the MIR team? Would they accept one of us to help with their backlog?
[16:30] <Daviey> roaksoax: Do you want to speak with aquette about deferring some (most?) of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-cloud-power-management ?
[16:31] <roaksoax> Daviey: will sure do
[16:31] <Daviey> SpamapS: I've already tried to make progress there.
[16:31] <Daviey> I think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-kronos is going to be frozen at current state
[16:32] <Daviey> SpamapS: CEPH status?
[16:32] <SpamapS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mir/+subscribedbugs .. looks like about 30+ pending review
[16:32] <SpamapS> Daviey: waiting on MIR
[16:32] <Daviey> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-ceph
[16:32] <Daviey> Any other blueprint questions?
[16:32] <SpamapS> servercloud-p-cloudutils
[16:33] <Daviey> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-cloudutils
[16:33] <SpamapS> Medium.. a few TODO's left.. seems a candidate for postponing
[16:33] <Daviey> Hmm
[16:33] <Daviey> I'm not sure it's tied to release that?
[16:34] <SpamapS> ubuntu-cloudimg-query ships in Ubuntu
[16:34] <Daviey> It's mostly implementing API infra, server side?
[16:34] <Daviey> SpamapS: right, but that can still work with v1 API
[16:34] <Daviey> utlemming / smoser ?
[16:35] <Daviey> SpamapS: What is the status of PHP?
[16:35] <smoser> at the moment it would appear that ubuntu-cloudimg-query will ship without query2 support.
[16:35] <smoser> which is not ideal, but it is functional.
[16:35] <SpamapS> Daviey: ugh
[16:35] <Daviey> works for me.
[16:35] <smoser> the /query interface isnt going away.
[16:36] <SpamapS> Daviey: so, basically *everybody* wants us to ship PHP 5.4.0
[16:36] <SpamapS> Daviey: but we have been firm at sticking with Suhosin .. which is not available yet for 5.4.0
[16:36] <Daviey> SpamapS: I found on the internets that you were investigating it again
[16:36] <SpamapS> Daviey: Debian dropped Suhosin, but our security team would prefer that we don't.
[16:36] <Daviey> SpamapS: Is it significant work to port it?
[16:37] <SpamapS> Daviey: so, I'm emailing the Suhosin maintainers asking them for a status update. It was promised 2 months ago.
[16:37] <Daviey> SpamapS: Have a bug as to where/why Debian dropped it?
[16:37] <SpamapS> Daviey: I can dig it out. Its in the changelog of 5.3.10
[16:37] <Daviey> ah, ok, thanks
[16:37]  * Daviey passes the steering wheel back to the chair.
[16:37] <roaksoax> alright then. Should we move on then?
[16:38] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:38] <SpamapS> negronjl is hosting a charm school next Monday, and it looks like I'll be joining him
[16:38] <SpamapS> http://charmschoolsv.eventbrite.com/
[16:38] <roaksoax> awesome!
[16:38] <SpamapS> At the Santa Clara Hilton
[16:39] <SpamapS> spread the word to all your silicon valley friends. :)
[16:39] <arosales> SpamapS: you and jcastro are also hosting a webinar on Thursday (March 8th), correct?
[16:39] <SpamapS> YES
[16:39] <roaksoax> right on!
[16:40] <SpamapS> http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2012/02/juju-charm-school-webinar-march-8th/
[16:40] <SpamapS> http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/6793/41933
[16:40] <roaksoax> awesome then. So I guess no more upcoming events. Let's move on
[16:40] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:40] <roaksoax> hggdh: you are up
[16:40] <hggdh> hi
[16:40] <hggdh> nothing here for the week
[16:40] <hggdh> ..
[16:40] <hggdh> oh
[16:41] <roaksoax> hggdh: you remembered something you'd like to share?
[16:41] <hggdh> I got an email from Sean asking about the UEC machines; I answered & copied Daviey
[16:41] <hggdh> ..
[16:41] <roaksoax> alright
[16:41]  * hggdh just wanted to make sure this is known
[16:42]  * Daviey hasn't read this?
[16:42] <hggdh> you were copied in my reply... routed to /dev/null? ;-)
[16:42] <Daviey> ah, i see it
[16:42] <roaksoax> alright then. Let's move on
[16:42] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:42] <Daviey> nah, in my Boring folder :)
[16:42] <roaksoax> smb: ^^
[16:42] <smb> There is bug 944923 which I could use utlemming's help in trying to gather ec2 info. At least this seemed to be there even with a natty kernel (just without lockup warnings) and I cannot see it in any of my local setups. Then since the upgrade from oneiric to precise on my orchestra box seemed to have gone not that well, I wanted to do some clean install upgrades in Xen VMs, which brought up another issue. It seems pxeboot does not work with
[16:42] <smb> the e1000 emulation. Still digging there but it seems the ipxe rom we have has no pci id info.
[16:43] <smb> ..
[16:43] <roaksoax> utlemming: ^^
[16:43] <utlemming> smb: sure...lets sync up after
[16:43] <smb> utlemming, ack
[16:43] <roaksoax> alright, unless there's something else you'd like to brin up smb, then we can move on
[16:44] <smb> nope
[16:44] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)
[16:44] <roaksoax> rbasak: you are next
[16:44] <rbasak> openmpi1.5 packages are now in the archive, alongside openmpi (1.4). Testing from stakeholders would be appreciated, especially as the test suite is not open source.
[16:44] <rbasak> Nothing else to report.
[16:44] <smoser> wait, there was one other thing smb said
[16:44] <smoser> for hallyn
[16:44] <smoser> e1000 emulation and pxe boot
[16:44] <smoser> smb, please open a bug on that.
[16:44] <smb> smoser, sure
[16:45] <smb> smoser, Right now debugging the build
[16:45] <Daviey> rbasak: so, you have versioned rdepends aswell?
[16:45] <roaksoax> awesome, let's move on
[16:45] <rbasak> Daviey: no, we made the decision not to do that
[16:46] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:46] <rbasak> Daviey: so all rdepends remain linked against openmpi
[16:46] <rbasak> I think going over http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html should be split into a separate topic. It tends to take the bulk of the meeting so it would make sense to have it separated so that other things associated with the release timetable (FFes etc) can be covered without forgetting anything.
[16:47] <roaksoax> does someone agree/disagree? Daviey ^^?
[16:48] <arosales> seems it should at least be a subtopic under precise/current development
[16:48] <arosales> along with that it would be nice to have a sub-topic for essential or near milestone blueprints
[16:48] <roaksoax> I'd say so too
[16:48] <SpamapS> roaksoax: you skipped my section
[16:49] <SpamapS> Zentyal Packages (http://pad.lv/928501) - SpamapS
[16:49] <roaksoax> [action] add subtopics for release-bugs/BP;s under precise/current development
[16:49] <meetingology> ACTION: add subtopics for release-bugs/BP;s under precise/current development
[16:49] <roaksoax> SpamapS: sorry about that, was going over the pastable commands
[16:49] <roaksoax> [topic] Zentyal Packages (http://pad.lv/928501) - SpamapS
[16:49] <SpamapS> So anyway, this item has been at the top of the sponsorship queue for a few weeks now
[16:50] <SpamapS> We need to break it up
[16:50] <SpamapS> We should all have patch pilot days coming up..
[16:50] <Daviey> SpamapS: they still need multiple src packages?
[16:50] <SpamapS> Daviey: aye
[16:50] <SpamapS> We need to review them, one by one, until they're done.
[16:51] <Daviey> *awesome*
[16:51] <Daviey> SpamapS: How many are there?
[16:51] <SpamapS> if they miss NEW for precise, so be it, but Zentyal has been good to us, and we need to do what we can to help get their stuff into Ubuntu
[16:51] <SpamapS> Daviey: 13 I think
[16:51] <SpamapS> https://launchpad.net/~jacalvo/+archive/zentyal-precise/
[16:51] <Daviey> SpamapS: perfect, fancy assigning one to each member of the team?
[16:51] <SpamapS> 16
[16:52] <SpamapS> Daviey: I'd like to allow people to assign them to themselves..
[16:52] <SpamapS> Daviey: since some may feel more comfortable with ntp, openvpn, or squid, than others
[16:52] <jamespage> SpamapS, I'll pickup a few
[16:52] <Daviey> SpamapS: lets just progress it, it's easier to have someone co-ordinate it
[16:52] <SpamapS> So yeah, please focus your sponsorship efforts on that bug, and make it clear what you are going to review, so others don't duplicate the work.
[16:53] <Daviey> SpamapS: Really, anyone should be able to turn their hand to any of the technologies it uses.
[16:53] <Daviey> If they can't, we have problems. :)
[16:53] <SpamapS> indeed
[16:54] <SpamapS> We'll check back in on the progress next week.
[16:54] <SpamapS> that is all, thanks!
[16:54] <roaksoax> awesome then!
[16:54] <roaksoax> [topic] Announce next meeting date and time
[16:54] <roaksoax> SO daylight saving starts Sunday
[16:54]  * justinlw will be on PDT instead of MDT
[16:54] <SpamapS> in the US
[16:55] <Daviey> So, we are keeping the same UTC time?
[16:55] <roaksoax> for US timezones. Which means that meeting for us will be one more hour
[16:55] <Daviey> SpamapS: that makes life easier for you?
[16:55] <SpamapS> keep it
[16:55] <SpamapS> do not move it
[16:55] <SpamapS> I will actually be able to attend the first 15 min
[16:55] <Daviey> So.. keep the same UTC time.
[16:55] <roaksoax> ok so we can keep the same UTC time
[16:55] <Daviey> So nothing changes for admin.
[16:56] <roaksoax> agreed then. SpamapS So you won't be chairing next week either?
[16:56] <Daviey> SpamapS is chairing for the next 6 months.
[16:56] <SpamapS> precisely
[16:56] <Ursinha> lol
[16:56] <SpamapS> ;-/
[16:56] <roaksoax> lol
[16:56] <roaksoax> then i ugess Daviey will be chairing if SpamapS can't make it
[16:56] <Ursinha> if no one volunteers I can do that
[16:57] <SpamapS> I can make it
[16:57] <roaksoax> awesome then!
[16:57] <roaksoax> thanks all for attending
[16:57] <roaksoax> #endmeeting
[16:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar  6 16:57:17 2012 UTC.
[16:57] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-06-16.01.moin.txt
[16:57] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-06-16.01.html
[16:57] <Daviey> thanks roaksoax !
[16:57] <arosales> roaksoax: thanks for charing :-)
[16:57] <roaksoax> arosales: :)
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[17:00] <cking> o/
[17:00] <ppisati> o/
[17:00] <tgardner> o/
[17:00] <herton> o/
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:00] <ppisati> nothing new to report this week
[17:00] <ppisati> ..
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-kernel-distro-team-ubuntu-12.04-beta-2.html
[17:01] <ogasawara> || apw        || hardware-p-kernel-boot                || 4 work items ||
[17:01] <ogasawara> ||            || hardware-p-kernel-config-review       || 6 work items ||
[17:01] <ogasawara> ||            || hardware-p-kernel-delta-review        || 3 work items ||
[17:01] <ogasawara> If your name is in the above table, please review your Beta-2 work
[17:01] <ogasawara> items.
[17:01] <ogasawara> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Blueprint: hardware-p-kernel-power-management (cking)
[17:01] <cking> nothing new to report this week
[17:01] <cking> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Precise Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:01] <ogasawara> We uploaded the 3.2.0-18.28 kernel last Friday.  The most notable
[17:01] <ogasawara> changes are a rebase to v3.2.9, updated AppArmor patches, clickpad
[17:01] <ogasawara> detection support, and re-enablement of AUFS.  We also uploaded the
[17:01] <ogasawara> first instance of linux-backports-modules-3.2.0 which contains an
[17:01] <ogasawara> updated v3.3 compat-wireless stack.
[17:02] <ogasawara> Note that Beta-2 is approaching.  We will be preparing our final Beta-2
[17:02] <ogasawara> kernel by the end of next week.  Please submit any patches which need to
[17:02] <ogasawara> land for this milestone.
[17:02] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * Thurs Mar 22 - Beta-2 Freeze (~2 weeks)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * Thurs Mar 29 - Beta-2 (~3 weeks)
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's (apw)
[17:02] <apw> Currently we have 75 CVEs on our radar, one new CVE was added this week.
[17:02] <apw> See the CVE matrix for the current list:
[17:02] <apw>  
[17:02] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:02] <apw>  
[17:02] <apw> Overall the backlog is broadly unchanged this week:
[17:02] <apw>  
[17:02] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/status/cve-metrics.txt
[17:02] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt
[17:02] <apw>  
[17:02] <apw> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Oneiric/Natty/Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (bjf/herton)
[17:03] <bjf> Here is the status for the main kernels, until today (Mar. 06):
[17:03] <bjf>  
[17:03] <bjf>  * Hardy - 2.6.24-31.100    - A single CVE.
[17:03] <bjf>  * Lucid - 2.6.32-40.87     - CVEs, eCryptfs, NFSv4, block, and other misc. fixes.
[17:03] <bjf>  * Maverick - 2.6.35-32.67  - A single CVE.
[17:03] <bjf>  * Natty - 2.6.38-13.57     - CVEs, eCryptfs and some other fixes.
[17:03] <bjf>  * Oneiric - 3.0.0-16.29    - CVEs and 3 stable upstream releases.
[17:03] <bjf>  
[17:03] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:03] <bjf>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:03] <bjf>  
[17:03] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:03] <bjf>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:03] <bjf>  
[17:03] <bjf> Future stable cadence cycles:
[17:03] <bjf>  * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseInterlock
[17:03] <bjf> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:04] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:04] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar  6 17:04:05 2012 UTC.
[17:04] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-06-17.00.moin.txt
[17:04] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-06-17.00.html
[17:04] <cking> thanks jsalisbury
[17:04] <apw> heh cheers
[19:58] <heartsmagic> good evening
[19:59] <czajkowski> heartsmagic: hiya
[19:59] <czajkowski> stgraber: highvoltage pingaged 1 min warning
[20:00] <jo-erlend> hello.
[20:00] <trijntje> hi all
[20:00] <FOAD> Hi trijntje.
[20:01] <drubin> czajkowski: here
[20:01] <czajkowski> ogra_: drubin stgraber highvoltage
[20:02] <czajkowski> welcome
[20:02]  * ogra_ doesnt see any of the others yet
[20:02] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA
[20:02]  * stgraber waves
[20:02] <jo-erlend> I haven't been to these meetings before. I was supposed to be here for the last meeting, but then I got a cold and forgot the whole meeting in my self pity.
[20:04] <czajkowski> right shall we get started folks
[20:04] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
[20:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar  6 20:04:15 2012 UTC.  The chair is czajkowski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:04] <czajkowski> welcome to the EMEA today
[20:04] <czajkowski> thanks for coming and well work our way through the list as they are on the wiki page
[20:04] <czajkowski> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA
[20:05] <czajkowski> first up is jo-erlend as redmar isn';t here
[20:05]  * trijntje is redmar
[20:05] <czajkowski> trijntje: ahh ok
[20:05] <czajkowski> trijntje: start again so
[20:05] <czajkowski> #topic trijntje Membership
[20:06] <czajkowski> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/redmar
[20:06] <czajkowski> trijntje: thanks for coming along
[20:06] <highvoltage> hi!
[20:06] <czajkowski> trijntje: so care to tell us about yourself ?
[20:07] <trijntje> sure. I'm a student from the Netherlands, I've been using ubuntu since Gutsy and my main involvement with ubuntu is with the Dutch Translation Team and helping people via IRC
[20:08] <czajkowski> trijntje: so how do you feel the Ubuntu community has grown in that time ?
[20:08] <highvoltage> trijntje: are you involved with any LoCo activities? Have you ever participated in any local translation events before?
[20:09] <trijntje> I'm not sure about the wider community, since the first few years I only followed the loco team
[20:09] <trijntje> when I first started translating the dutch team had just been revived by cumulus007 after being dead for a couple of years, so there has been a lot of improvement there
[20:10] <trijntje> I have participated in a number of online 'translation sprints', but I've not been to any local events in person
[20:10] <highvoltage> trijntje: if you could change any one thing in the translation community, what would that be?
[20:10] <highvoltage> (or even Ubuntu, if you like)
[20:11] <trijntje> We do get quite a number of people who want to join the team, but never really follow through to become a full member. It would be nice if that changed, but I'm not sure how
[20:12] <trijntje> We've tried a number of things like appointing a mentor for new translators, but that didn't really help
[20:12] <FireBeard> trijntje: spammed this channel, so I thought I'd join
[20:12] <trijntje> probably it's just the fact that translating is hard work, and there is alway's more of it ;)
[20:13] <highvoltage> thanks trijntje
[20:13] <czajkowski> nods
[20:13] <ogra_> FireBeard, feel free to tell us about trijntje if you have anything to say or to praise him or so :)
[20:13] <FireBeard> nah, he just said that you guys were debating him, and asked us to watch
[20:14] <FireBeard> I'm here for a possible trainwreck ;)
[20:14] <trijntje> haha
[20:14] <jo-erlend> :)
[20:14] <ogra_> heh, great
[20:14] <czajkowski> ok are we ready to vote folks
[20:14]  * ogra_ is ready to vote 
[20:14] <czajkowski> nice testimonals btw
[20:14] <ogra_> ++
[20:14] <FireBeard> I don't know trijntje all that well, he did help me once or twice, when I had a question tho
[20:14] <trijntje> thanks, though I did not write them ;)
[20:14] <czajkowski> #voters ogra_ iulian highvoltage drubin czajkowski
[20:14] <meetingology> Current voters: czajkowski drubin highvoltage iulian ogra_
[20:15] <ogra_> +1
[20:15] <iulian> Wait a bit, please.
[20:15] <drubin> +1
[20:15] <iulian> Bleh.
[20:15] <czajkowski> #vote please vote on trijntje membership
[20:15] <meetingology> Please vote on: please vote on trijntje membership
[20:15] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:15]  * iulian was wirint something.
[20:15] <highvoltage> iulian: ok
[20:15] <drubin> +1
[20:15] <meetingology> +1 received from drubin
[20:15] <czajkowski> +1
[20:15] <meetingology> +1 received from czajkowski
[20:15] <iulian> +1 from me anyway.
[20:15] <meetingology> +1 from me anyway. received from iulian
[20:15] <highvoltage> +1 [ good translation effort, good testimonial from peers ]
[20:15] <meetingology> +1 [ good translation effort, good testimonial from peers ] received from highvoltage
[20:15] <czajkowski> ogra_: you can vote now you voted before I called the vote :)_
[20:16] <ogra_> +1
[20:16] <meetingology> +1 received from ogra_
[20:16] <stgraber> +1
[20:16] <czajkowski> #endvote
[20:16] <meetingology> Voting ended on: please vote on trijntje membership
[20:16] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:16] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:16] <czajkowski> 6 really
[20:16] <czajkowski> :)
[20:16] <czajkowski> stgraber: welcome :)
[20:16] <ogra_> :)
[20:16] <czajkowski> trijntje: welcome aboard
[20:16] <Oer> o/ redmar
[20:16] <ogra_> welcome aboard trijntje
[20:16] <trijntje> \0/
[20:16] <stgraber> czajkowski: 20:02  * stgraber waves
[20:16] <trijntje> thanks a lot!
[20:16] <stgraber> czajkowski: :)
[20:16] <czajkowski> #topic jo-erlend membership
[20:16] <jo-erlend> trijntje, congrats \o/  :)
[20:16] <FireBeard> congratulations trijntje
[20:17] <czajkowski> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoErlendSchinstad
[20:17] <highvoltage> I'm ready to vote
[20:17]  * ogra_ too, but i have one question though
[20:17] <FireBeard> you already voted, didn't you?
[20:17] <czajkowski> jo-erlend: thanks for coming
[20:17] <ogra_> "it's better to drown your sorrows than teach them how to swim"
[20:17] <jo-erlend> thanks for having me. :)
[20:17] <ogra_> jo-erlend, in what do you drown them usually ?
[20:17] <ogra_> met ?
[20:18]  * ogra_ thinks thats one of these candidates where we all think "huh, he isnt a member yet" ?
[20:18] <FireBeard> glad to witnessed this, bye
[20:18] <highvoltage> ogra_: indeed.
[20:18] <jo-erlend> ogra_, hehe, that depends on the situation. :)
[20:18]  * stgraber is ready to vote
[20:18] <iulian> jo-erlend: What situation? :)
[20:19]  * iulian too.
[20:19] <czajkowski> jo-erlend: so recently you've been rather vocal on the unity mailing list, do you think being a member will make you step back a bit before you reply sometimes and possibly think more about the CoC and the fact you're an Ubutnu member?
[20:20] <highvoltage> Personally I think it's better for someone to step over the line a bit now and again than be afraid to speak up and participate.
[20:20] <jo-erlend> czajkowski, I try to consider the CoC in any case. I don't always succeed, but I do take it seriously, or I wouldn't have signed it.
[20:21] <czajkowski> hmm ok
[20:21] <iulian> Fair enough.
[20:21] <czajkowski> jo-erlend: how do you see your role in the community growning ?
[20:21] <jo-erlend> if you look at the large number of debates I've participated in, I think you'll find that I hardly ever loose my cool. And when I do, I have no fear of apologizing for it afterwards.
[20:22] <highvoltage> It's also really easy for someone to read something into an email that isn't even there.
[20:22] <jo-erlend> czajkowski, my involvement with askubuntu won't be reduced. I've recently taken over as a contact for the Norwegian loco, and I'm just beginning to connect to different news media
[20:22] <czajkowski> ok
[20:23] <czajkowski> anyother questions or comments folks?
[20:23] <drubin> nope
[20:23] <highvoltage> I've seen calm conversations on lists between people I know and then I have someone else who reads it who comes to my desk and say "omg did you see that flameware on ubuntu-devel!?"... and then I explain to them that it's not that at all, and it's easier to tell when you know the people somewhat.
[20:23] <jo-erlend> I'm getting more serious about my work with support, documentation and ... PR. But I'm also working more on code now.
[20:24] <czajkowski> #voters ogra_ iulian drubin highvoltage stgraber czajkowski
[20:24] <meetingology> Current voters: czajkowski drubin highvoltage iulian ogra_ stgraber
[20:24] <ogra_> +1
[20:24] <highvoltage> +1
[20:24] <iulian> +1
[20:24] <czajkowski> wait!!!!
[20:24] <czajkowski> #vote please vote on jo-erlend application
[20:24] <meetingology> Please vote on: please vote on jo-erlend application
[20:24] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:25] <stgraber> hehe, that's just #voters, it's not #vote yet ;)
[20:25] <stgraber> +1
[20:25] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[20:25] <czajkowski> +1
[20:25] <meetingology> +1 received from czajkowski
[20:25] <highvoltage> +1
[20:25] <meetingology> +1 received from highvoltage
[20:25] <iulian> Oh, blimey.
[20:25] <iulian> +1
[20:25] <meetingology> +1 received from iulian
[20:25] <ogra_> +1 [no comment ...]
[20:25] <meetingology> +1 [no comment ...] received from ogra_
[20:25] <drubin> +1
[20:25] <meetingology> +1 received from drubin
[20:25] <czajkowski> #endvote
[20:25] <meetingology> Voting ended on: please vote on jo-erlend application
[20:25] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:25] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:25] <czajkowski> huzzah
[20:25] <czajkowski> welcome aboard
[20:25] <ogra_> finally ... welcome jo-erlend
[20:25] <jo-erlend> thanks! \o/
[20:26] <iulian> Congrats, jo-erlend.
[20:26] <highvoltage> jo-erlend: congratulations and welcome
[20:26] <Oer> o/ jo-erlend
[20:26] <trijntje> congrats jo-erlend, your wiki page made me jalous ;)
[20:26] <heartsmagic> congrats jo-erlend
[20:26] <iulian> czajkowski: Next one please.
[20:26] <heartsmagic> andl also trijntje
[20:26] <czajkowski> #topic heartsmagic membership application
[20:26] <czajkowski> iulian: patience
[20:26] <czajkowski> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/heartsmagic
[20:27] <czajkowski> heartsmagic: welcome and thanks for coming to the meeting
[20:27] <heartsmagic> thank you
[20:27] <iulian> Welcome heartsmagic.
[20:28] <czajkowski> heartsmagic: so care to tell us about you and your role in the ubuntu community ?
[20:29] <heartsmagic> my name is serkan and ı am 32 years old. I have been managing Ubuntu Turkey Loco team as I stated for many years with my friends. I think this is the biggest role for me in the Ubuntu community
[20:30] <heartsmagic> we have some subgroups, I am trying to keep them alive
[20:30] <ogra_> hmm, if you are leading the LoCO there was nobody wanting to write a testimonial for you ?
[20:31] <highvoltage> heartsmagic: does the loco team have a website or list of accomplishments?
[20:31] <highvoltage> heartsmagic: is it an official loco?
[20:31] <czajkowski> #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-tr/events/history
[20:31] <heartsmagic> ogra_, honostly I dint tell them
[20:32] <ogra_> ooh, you should have done ... testimonials weight a lot in our decision process
[20:32] <heartsmagic> highvoltage, we don't keep a list like that, and we are not an *official* loco team right now
[20:32] <iulian> heartsmagic: It's an important step for you. I think that you should've.
[20:33] <heartsmagic> sure, but there is not any testimonials right now, sorry
[20:34] <czajkowski> heartsmagic: we do look at how people interact with the community not just their loco
[20:34] <czajkowski> is there someone else who could vouch for you?
[20:34] <ogra_> (how about bytan who leads the loco with you)
[20:35] <heartsmagic> vouch for me?
[20:35] <heartsmagic> then who vouch for bytan :)
[20:35] <ogra_> write a testimonial ...
[20:35] <highvoltage> heartsmagic: loco work is definitely hard work. it's great that you've been keeping up with it over the years
[20:35] <ogra_> or come to the meeting and praise you etc
[20:35] <heartsmagic> czajkowski, I am interacting with community through our Loco
[20:36] <highvoltage> heartsmagic: it's useful for us if we could hear back from other people who have worked with you. they can leave a message under testimonials and also cheer for you in the RMB meetings
[20:36] <czajkowski> heartsmagic: I think it would be better if you could come back at another meeting with some testimonals on your page as it's rather hard now to judge
[20:37] <czajkowski> rather than giving you a -1 its what I would recommend tbh
[20:37] <czajkowski> ogra_: highvoltage stgraber iulian drubin thoughts?
[20:37] <drubin> I am for czajkowski's suggestion
[20:37]  * ogra_ agrees
[20:37] <highvoltage> yep
[20:37] <stgraber> yep
[20:37] <iulian> heartsmagic: Also, it would be nice if you could improve your wiki page.
[20:37] <czajkowski> heartsmagic: I dont like turning people donw and discouraging people
[20:37] <drubin> I think you heartsmagic is on the right path but hard to judge been reading every thing
[20:37] <heartsmagic> again pr :)
[20:38] <czajkowski> but if yo coudl update the wiki page and get testimonals it really would be better to come back then :)
[20:38] <czajkowski> please
[20:38]  * iulian nods.
[20:38] <heartsmagic> no I wont i think :)
[20:38] <iulian> heartsmagic: Why's that?
[20:39] <heartsmagic> I mean if telling how I participate is not enogh for you, I wont insist on being a member
[20:39] <drubin> If you don't want to come back to re-apply why would you want to apply in the first place
[20:39] <heartsmagic> testimonials is good but musnt be a mandatory
[20:39] <ogra_> heartsmagic, we are supposed to judge by your interaction with others over the time you worked with the community, if nobody tells us about how you helped them, how should we judge ?
[20:39] <iulian> heartsmagic: No, that's the whole point. You should try again. I have to disagree with you on that, testimonials play a very important role.
[20:40] <drubin> heartsmagic: Yes but all your work has been working with people not writing code or answering forums or translations so there is no way for us to double check on things
[20:40] <highvoltage> heartsmagic: you don't have to insist. we think you're membership material but we'd like some feedback from the people you have worked with. unfortunately the ubuntu project is too big for us to know everyone personally, so we can't instictively know what you have done in the past.
[20:40] <highvoltage> and that's standard procedure for every singly person who has applied for membership before.
[20:40] <heartsmagic>  I got it, but you asked why
[20:40] <ogra_> heartsmagic, testimonials are  not mandatory, but your wikipage doesnt really list much we can checkm the wikipage of your locoteam neither etc
[20:40] <highvoltage> heartsmagic: ok, it's up to you though. thanks for joining the meeting today.
[20:41] <ogra_> testimonials would weight out the lacking bits for sure
[20:41] <heartsmagic> ok your call again
[20:41] <ogra_> no, yours
[20:41] <ogra_> give us more info
[20:41] <heartsmagic> more info?
[20:41] <ogra_> and show up in the next meeting
[20:41] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[20:41] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar  6 20:41:52 2012 UTC.
[20:41] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-06-20.04.moin.txt
[20:41] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-06-20.04.html
[20:41] <czajkowski> thanks folks for coming
[20:42] <highvoltage> yep thanks everyone!
[20:42] <czajkowski> and to EMEA members for taking part
[20:42] <czajkowski> :D
[20:42] <trijntje> thanks for your time
[20:42] <iulian> Thanks czajkowski for chairing.
[20:42] <ogra_> thanks czajkowski for chairing (again)
[20:42] <jo-erlend> thanks for your time and for your votes :)
[20:42] <iulian> You were great as always. :)
[20:42] <iulian> Now, dinner time.
[20:42] <ogra_> enjoy
[20:42] <drubin> thanks czajkowski
[20:42] <iulian> Ta.
[20:42]  * highvoltage might take another nap
[20:42] <heartsmagic> good evening
[20:43] <trijntje> have a nice evening all!
[20:44] <MichaelTel_> Good evening to all
[20:44] <czajkowski> ogra_: for you anytime :) (in 2013)
[20:44] <ogra_> *g*