[05:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu One for Application Developers - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/06/ubuntu-one-for-application-developers/
[07:50] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning
[08:11] <diplo> Morning all
[08:25] <daubers> Morning
[08:27] <MooDoo> morning
[08:28] <dwatkins> hiya
[08:29]  * daubers tries to figure out why his RFID reader crashes after 4 reads
[08:44] <dwatkins> Perhaps it doesn't like being up before 9am.
[08:45] <daubers> dwatkins: I'm wondering if it's cheating to just reset it after the 3rd read
[08:47] <dwatkins> daubers: technically yes, because that doesn't resolve the problem. What kind of device is it and what diganostic information can you get from it?
[08:48] <daubers> dwatkins: It's an arduino with an SM130 strapped to it :)
[08:48] <daubers> the device itself is a serial device. But I think it's my arduino sketch causing the problem
[08:49] <daubers> the code (less a few type problem fixes) is here https://code.launchpad.net/~daubers/+junk/rdghackarduinodoor
[08:49] <dwatkins> ah ok, I guess you'd need to have it output all its debug info to the serial line to see what's causing it to overflow or whatever
[08:50] <dwatkins> I've been musing about setting up a temperature sensor with an Arduino, might be overkill but I already have the board.
[08:51] <dwatkins> Do you have to close off any of the ethernet stuffs at the end?
[08:51] <daubers> dwatkins: In theory it should never end
[08:51] <daubers> The serial stuff only get's created once, then the loop runs forever
[08:51] <dwatkins> gotcha
[08:52] <ali1234> comparing char *s
[08:52] <ali1234> ? really?
[08:52] <daubers> ali1234: I know, I've fixed that in a version I've not pushed up yet
[08:52] <daubers> I wrote most of this at 2am on a sunday
[08:52] <dwatkins> isn't that just comparing the contents of memory locations, or am I lacking in my understanding of pointers?
[08:52] <dwatkins> ah ok
[08:52] <ali1234> it compares the addresses
[08:53] <dwatkins> which could be anything...
[08:54] <daubers> yes, which is why I changed it :)
[08:54] <dwatkins> so if we are to debug your code, I guess the latest version would be best
[08:54]  * daubers digs out his laptop
[08:55] <dwatkins> That's a good point, I still have my 4th machine in my bag...
[08:55]  * dwatkins has too many computers
[09:02] <daubers> new version pushed
[09:04] <andylockran> pong
[09:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:05] <ali1234> daubers: it's still for of char * comparisons
[09:05] <andylockran> heya czajkowski
[09:05] <andylockran> does anyone know if progress has been made porting ubuntu one to osx?
[09:06] <daubers> ali1234: Huh? I only did that in one or two places before and replaced them with String() comparisons
[09:08] <ali1234> then you have pushed the wrong version
[09:08] <daubers> ali1234 Which line is char * on?
[09:08] <daubers> sorry, a char * comparison?
[09:08] <ali1234> line 39
[09:09] <ali1234> 40 and 48
[09:09] <daubers> wtf... my branched version definatley has lost those
[09:10] <ali1234> did you commit the changes locally?
[09:10] <daubers> Yup
[09:11] <ali1234> because the last revision, 2012-03-06 08:57:48 UTC, does not have it
[09:12]  * daubers pokes it again
[09:12] <daubers> Lets try that
[09:14] <daubers> that one has a type on String, but otherwise seems ok
[09:14] <popey> morning
[09:14] <MooDoo> morning popey
[09:15] <daubers> ali1234: That should be better
[09:15] <ali1234> now you have typos, that wont even compile
[09:15] <daubers> Just one, I fixored it
[09:17] <popey> andylockran: dont think any work has been done on that yet, but aquarius might know
[09:19] <aquarius> andylockran, there's a chap who started a port on github
[09:20] <aquarius> andylockran, it's also on the U1 roadmap; you may have noticed U1 advertising for a Mac developer. :)
[09:24] <andylockran> ah, kewl
[09:24] <andylockran> I hadn't seen that, the only github link now gets a 404
[09:24] <andylockran> https://github.com/yevmel/Ubuntu-One-Client
[09:25] <andylockran> aquarius: thank you
[09:25] <diplo> Anyone got any idea on this
[09:25] <diplo> /dev/sda2              6048352   5623408    117704  98% /
[09:25] <daubers> diplo: sda2 is nearly full?
[09:25] <diplo> used/available
[09:26] <diplo> Why  is the available not 424944
[09:26] <diplo> but displaying as 100 odd meg
[09:26] <diplo> Any ideas where to look
[09:27] <rhunwicks> diplo: blocks reserved for root on a ext3/4 filesystem?
[09:27] <oly> can anyone tell me why sites in firefox ubuntu break http://www.motachoice.co.uk/ as an example its always the top nav pushing the left bar down
[09:27] <diplo> Wouldn't they be subtracted on used though ?
[09:28] <oly> the same firefox on windows works i see this on a lot of sites, and for a long time on linux so looking for a fix
[09:29] <gord> oly, bigcalm is a web developer! he may know!
[09:29] <gord> or may not
[09:29] <gord> swings and roundabouts really
[09:30]  * daubers was unaware a new series of Dirk Gently started last night
[09:30] <oly> yeah, guessing its font or something just strange that same browser would render it differently
[09:31] <oly> obviousl;y you could drop down the width, but that seems wrong when it works fine in firefox on other systems
[09:31] <oimon> daubers, yeah, they advertise come dancing on ice and eastenders incessantly, but you never know that a new series of spiral, the killing, DG, or any other programmes worth watching
[09:31] <JamesTait> Good morning, all! :D
[09:31] <AlanBell> oly: what is broken? the text left margin over the diamond in vertical bars thing?
[09:31] <daubers> oimon: Don't get adverts :)
[09:31] <oly> if you look at the nav contact us is on a seperate line
[09:31] <gord> oly, tried using the ubuntu font in windows?
[09:31] <oimon> bbc has more ads than itv sometimes
[09:31] <gord> AlanBell, the left menu is waaaaaaayy at the bottom of the page
[09:32] <oly> if you scroll down it has knocked the left menu to the bottom of the page
[09:32] <AlanBell> ah, so it is
[09:32] <AlanBell> works in chromium
[09:32] <oly> nope not tried using the font in windows actually
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> Hm.. I have a spare machine
[09:32]  * oimon is going back to lucid today
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> let's try btrfs root
[09:33] <AlanBell> oly: your site?
[09:33] <oly> kinda, happens on a lot of sites though
[09:34]  * bigcalm looks in
[09:34] <gord> font is really the only difference i can think of
[09:34] <bigcalm> gord: oly: without looking deeper, I would not know
[09:34] <oly> i do the underlying code, css and all that is done by another department dont suppose they will want to restyle to fix,
[09:34] <gord> bigcalm, ctrl+u ;)
[09:34] <bigcalm> And it's not always the case. Ensure that everything validates
[09:35] <bigcalm> gord: you don't control me :P
[09:35] <oly> just a bit annoying when your working on the site, so was wondering if any one new the cause / possible fix
[09:35] <gord> yet!
[09:35] <bigcalm> Haha
[09:35] <AlanBell> oly: #primaryCol isn't floating right as far as it should
[09:35] <oly> even chromium was wrong the left bar was there but the nav had wrapped still
[09:35] <gord> today i get my new roomba, tomorrow i purchase googly eyes for it, the day after. THE WORLD
[09:36] <oly> does ubuntu apply different default styles to the indows version or something ?
[09:36] <AlanBell> if you set the width to 572px; it jumps right to the place it should be
[09:36] <AlanBell> no, it isn't styles it is a box model thing
[09:37] <ali1234> gord: it's not on HD until next week tho
[09:37] <ali1234> for some reason they are doing it all backwards
[09:37] <gord> ali1234, me?
[09:38] <gord> ali1234, maybe daubers?
[09:38] <ali1234> oh yeah, daubers
[09:39] <daubers> ali1234: Is it not iplayerable in HD?
[09:39] <ali1234> maybe in lolHD
[09:39] <ali1234> maybe not though since it hasn't been shown in HD on the normal telly yet
[09:39] <gord> last i checked iplayer HD wasn't pretty, artifacts you can see from space
[09:39] <daubers> It's not iplayerable in HD
[09:40] <ali1234> yeah, iplayer HD is slightly better quality than dave
[09:40] <daubers> gord: I found it depends on which HD stream you get from get_iplayer
[09:40] <oly> unfortunately changeing the width i can not do, just dont get why you dont need same hack on windows ?
[09:41] <oly> seems there must be some underlying difference and fonts is the only obvious one
[09:41] <AlanBell> it is nothing to do with fonts
[09:42] <diplo> rhunwicks, You were correct!
[09:43] <diplo> 5% of space is reserved on root filesystem, which equated to 300mb we were missing.
[09:43] <diplo> cheers
[09:43] <andylockran> :)
[09:43] <diplo> I new it saved space, didn't know it was that much
[09:44] <oly> any ideas why its getting treated different between win and linux though ?
[09:45] <AlanBell> oly: ok, maybe a little to do with fonts :)
[09:45] <ali1234> my guess would be DPI issue
[09:45] <rhunwicks> diplo: by default it reserves 5% of the disk space for root - which doesnt make much sense on modern drives
[09:45] <oly> hehe, will try changing the fonts in a bit see if that resolves it :p
[09:45] <rhunwicks> You can override when you create the filesystem using mkfs.ext4 -m 2 or similar
[09:45] <ali1234> some container isn't quite big enough and the button gets word wrapped
[09:46] <rhunwicks> Obviously you cant do it after the fact - you stuck with 5% unless you copy everything off the filesystem reformat it and then copy it all back
[09:46] <AlanBell> ok, so what is happening is that the "contact us" string is overflowing the space it is given, and wrapping down, this means it is an element before the float right PrimaryCol that the PrimaryCol doesn't want to be to the right of
[09:46] <diplo> Someone created a 6gb / file system
[09:46] <ali1234> that's what i just said lol :)
[09:46] <diplo> And searching for space :D
[09:46] <rhunwicks> Any lvm?
[09:47] <AlanBell> oly: you could make primaryNav a bit bigger, or probably add a clear:both after primary nav
[09:47] <oly> unfortunatly i dont change stylesheets
[09:47] <rhunwicks> Or available space elsewhere so you could move /var or /usr onto a separate filesystem
[09:47] <AlanBell> or not float:right the "Contact Us" string
[09:49] <AlanBell> yeah, main thing is the float:right on #primaryNav li.contactUs
[09:49] <AlanBell> it would break on any system if you zoom text only
[09:49] <diplo> rhunwicks, sorry on other screen
[09:50] <diplo> ( Not an ubuntu system ) but no lvm :/
[09:50] <diplo> Found 230mb in /var
[09:50] <diplo> just working out correct way of cleaning it
[09:50] <rhunwicks> what system?
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> logrotate?
[09:50] <rhunwicks> I mean os
[09:51] <rhunwicks> apt-cache clean - or the yum equivalent?
[09:52] <bigcalm> Oh boobs. Time for a reboot
[09:53] <diplo> Sorry guys, busy morning
[09:53] <diplo> Centos 4.3 :/
[09:54] <diplo> It's /var/cache/yum
[09:54] <diplo> But yum/up2date not installed
[09:54] <diplo> Just googling correct way to delete
[10:02] <oly> thanks for the info anyway AlanBell
[10:04]  * popey tickles andypiper 
[10:04]  * AlanBell spotted an andypiper video on a guardian article about the raspberry pi
[10:05] <andypiper> yes indeed
[10:05] <andypiper> leading to yet more moronic comments on said video
[10:05] <andypiper> youtube is the height of antisocial media
[10:05] <AlanBell> it is a pile of fail
[10:05] <mungojerry> guardian commenters are as bad as dail mail commenters
[10:05] <mungojerry> although none are as bad as youtube
[10:05] <AlanBell> http://xkcd.com/202/ is what we say to that
[10:08] <mungojerry> how do i regain focus to my terminal if compiz has crashed? xchat has focus right now
[10:08] <mungojerry> compiz --replace &
[10:08] <mungojerry> argh
[10:08] <AlanBell> mungojerry: ctrl+alt+f1, log in, run unity
[10:09] <mungojerry> AlanBell, i'm back on lucid :D
[10:09] <AlanBell> or run DISPLAY=:0 compiz --replace &
[10:09] <mungojerry> feeling the speeeeed
[10:09] <gord> comment boxes are generally a honey trap for fail, regardless of the website they are on
[10:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod!
[10:11] <davmor2> morning all
[10:11] <bigcalm> Delivering Hayley's car for an MOT plus having an early dentist appointment, I'm ready for bed again
[10:11] <gord> morning
[10:11] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: my day start at 05:30
[10:12] <czajkowski> davmor2: herrrro
[10:12] <Dave2> I just got into work, I'm also ready for bed again.
[10:12] <gord> ah right your in millbank this week right?
[10:12] <daubers> GAH!
[10:12] <bigcalm> davmor2: that's your fault for going to London
[10:12] <daubers> WHy does itunes think it's more intelligent than me dammit
[10:12] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning dude
[10:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: technically it is the qa sprints fault for being in London and asking me if I can attend :P
[10:36] <andylockran> morning all
[11:21] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:23] <dwatkins> hi brobostigon
[11:23] <brobostigon> hi dwatkins
[11:31] <DJones> Morning all
[11:39] <mattt> morning morning
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> \o
[11:40] <mattt> howzit martin
[11:40] <mattt> errr MartijnVdS :P
[11:40] <mattt> just realized that didn't actually read martin :P
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> Waiting for the mailman with a CPU
[11:41] <mattt> oooh, nice
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> and some sticks of RAM
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> for the new "granbuntu" machine
[11:43] <popey> \o/ granbuntu
[11:44] <gord> i need more ram for my "gordbuntu" machine really
[11:44] <gord> well not need persay, more, its possible to put more in, so i should
[11:44] <directhex> hm, feeling good financially. looks like the car loan will be paid off at the start of november
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> I hope the port forward in her DSL modem holds this time..
[11:45] <MooDoo> directhex: lucky you,£900 if i want the garage to fix my bike
[11:46] <daubers> MooDoo: How did you break it?
[11:46] <MooDoo> daubers: MOT ! boo, just wear and tear over the year and winter
[11:46] <daubers> Ooof
[11:47] <daubers> £900 for MOT repairs?
[11:47] <MooDoo> daubers: yeah, i'm not getting them to do it though, i can do the work myself, just need to source parts
[11:48] <daubers> What do you need to do? Chain/break/tyres?
[11:50] <MooDoo> daubers: yup....
[11:50] <MooDoo> dics/pads, tyre
[11:50] <directhex> toyota want to do hundreds of pounds of maintenance at my next service
[11:50] <daubers> and they where going to charge you £900? Was this a dealer?
[11:51] <directhex> new brake mcguffins, i dunno
[11:51] <MooDoo> daubers: yeah it was......stuff that i'll do it myself, they can just retest
[11:51] <daubers> MooDoo: Ahh... dealer prices == ripoff++
[11:52] <MooDoo> daubers: oh yeah....i nearly died of heart attack
[11:54] <daubers> MooDoo: They don't like it when you point out that gold plated brake discs are pointless
[11:54] <MooDoo> lol
[11:57] <gord> when i take over the world, all delivery people will be GPS tagged
[11:57] <gord> and will be made to work 24/7
[11:58] <daubers> when I take over the world, delivery people will be the first against the wall
[12:00] <gord> how will we get things delivered then?
[12:00] <daubers> anybody who asks questions will be next
[12:00] <daubers> \o/ problem solved
[12:00] <czajkowski> whoo my penguin oyster card holder has arrived together with the space invaders one for J
[12:00] <czajkowski> :D
[12:30] <dwatkins> Space Invaders oyster cards, czajkowski? :D
[12:31] <czajkowski> covers!
[12:31] <AlanBell> just what the smart london professional needs
[12:32] <dwatkins> aha I see, in my excitment I missed the word 'cover' but it's still neat
[12:32] <AlanBell> you didn't get this one then? http://shop.tfl.gov.uk/books_guides_travel_accessories_and_stationery/travel_accessories/product/Union-Jack-Oyster-card-Wallet.html
[12:33]  * dwatkins wonders if having one that looks like a 5 pound note is a bad idea
[12:36] <daubers> dwatkins: Just turn it into a magic wand
[12:37] <daubers> bah, famous musicians make me angry
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> daubers: which ones?
[12:39] <daubers> MartijnVdS: All of them! At the moment, especially morrisey
[12:40] <daubers> Famous musician trying to sell tickets/records in Argentina wades in to political quagmire to make himself popular shocker
[12:41] <directhex> lolgentina
[12:46] <directhex> anyone want to buy an xbox 360?
[12:47] <popey> oooh, maybe
[12:47] <popey> does it have a red ring of death? ☺
[12:48] <directhex> it did in mid 2007, so they replaced the motherboard
[12:48] <directhex> it's been solid since then
[12:49] <popey> pm me the details, my kids liked playing with relatives kinect and dance games
[13:04]  * awilkins hates Eclipse sometimes
[13:10] <bigcalm> awilkins: try netbeans
[13:11] <awilkins> bigcalm, Well, I might consider it.. the primary reason I find Eclipse annoying is classpath issues when developing plugins for it
[13:13] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[13:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wow: Raspberry Pi is selling at 700 units a second http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/05/raspberry-pi-demand
[13:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Demand was 20 times greater than our supply... That's 200,000 units when she said that.
[13:32] <gord> one wonders how many of those were their intended audience
[13:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> They currently are only making "developer" builds. These are not the "final" device intended for schools or kids.
[13:37] <AlanBell> it is final
[13:38] <popey> not really. final device is planned to have a case
[13:38] <AlanBell> they are model B units, they will also do model A which doesn't have a network port
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think the "final" will have a box
[13:38] <AlanBell> oh
[13:38] <popey> looking forward to taking this into the kids school
[13:38] <popey> they're keen on getting them
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Do you have one then?
[13:38] <popey> ICT teacher wants to see it in action
[13:38] <popey> not yet
[13:38] <popey> mid april
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Farnell told me mid-May this morning
[13:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-(
[13:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> I can understand it if they are really selling 700/sec
[13:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's astonishing
[13:40] <AlanBell> and impossible :)
[13:40] <AlanBell> that is 2.5 million per hour
[13:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Demand for the Raspberry Pi  computer – a £22 British-designed system – was still running at 700 per  second at the end of last week, according to one of its main  distributors in the UK."
[13:41] <AlanBell> however if you start with the statement "we sold out the initial 10,000 batch in the first 15 minutes" you get to 700/second
[13:41] <ali1234> so by now they should have sold 1 for every person on the planet?
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> I ordered 2 :-D
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Buy shares in ARM :D
[13:42] <AlanBell> actually you don't you get to something you can round up to 700/minute
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wish I had 10 yr ago when it was suggested to me.
[13:43] <popey> s/ARM/broacom/
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ultimately ARM
[13:43] <ali1234> do ARM get per unit royalties?
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> They get a royalty
[13:44] <AlanBell> yes, thats how they work, they license the design for royalties
[13:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a stonkingly good business model IUAM
[13:44] <ali1234> i thought it was a flat rate
[13:46] <popey> .29
[13:46] <popey> bah
[13:46] <AlanBell> http://www.arm.com/products/buying-guide/licensing/index.php maybe it is
[13:47] <ali1234> how do i make php write a debug message to the apache error log?
[13:47] <ali1234> just print?
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> ali1234: in php.ini you can set a log file for php
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> and what type of errors to log
[13:48] <ali1234> i don't want to raise an error
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not sure if you can get it to write to the apache log file.
[13:48] <ali1234> i just want a quick and dirty message so i can tell what is going on
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> print_r()
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> print_r($myvar);
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Will print arrays and objects
[13:49] <ali1234> but that goes into the web page
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> yes.
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> (13:48:36) TheOpenSourcerer: Not sure if you can get it to write to the apache log file.
[13:50] <AlanBell> http://php.net/manual/en/function.error-log.php
[13:50] <ali1234> but it clearly does when an actual error happens
[13:50] <ali1234> ah nice one
[13:50] <AlanBell> use error_log and set the destination
[13:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> handy
[13:51] <AlanBell> gosh, it can email errors, that would be potentially annoying
[13:55] <mattt> i have django email me errors, find it handy personally :)
[13:56] <ali1234> problem i'm having is php silently fails to do what i asked :(
[13:57] <ali1234> however i think i just figured out why
[13:57] <mattt> wewt
[13:57] <mattt> cuz i suck at php troubleshooting
[13:58] <ali1234> ah there we go... id column on wp_posts in inexplicably uppercased
[13:59] <ali1234> still doesn't work :(
[13:59] <AlanBell> mattt: yeah, useful, but to be used sparingly!
[14:01] <mattt> AlanBell: the idea is to enable that and have the emails directed at your devs ... works every time
[14:01] <mattt> :D
[14:02] <popey> hmm, can someone test something for me...
[14:02] <popey> alt+F2, gedit
[14:03] <popey> alt+f2, gksudo gedit
[14:03] <popey> note the non-sudo one gives you 'untitled document 1' with no * to say it's been modified
[14:03] <popey> the sudo one _does_ give a star
[14:03] <popey> why?
[14:04] <popey> (discovered when I did alt+F2, gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and found not only did I have xorg.conf open, but *Untitled Document 1  too)
[14:05] <AlanBell> if you add new tabs in the gksudo one they don't have *, it is just the first one
[14:32] <mungojerry> TheOpenSourcerer, i have shares in ARM since 1999
[14:32] <mungojerry> they are worth what i paid in 1999 due to the tech bubble. however if i'd bougt apple at the time, i'd be a millionaire by now
[14:33]  * mungojerry isn't bitter
[14:34] <mungojerry> i wanted to buy acorn back in the day, but didn't know how. i really would be a millinoaire if i had
[14:38] <bigcalm> Buy the company or buy shares?
[14:39] <AlanBell> "I liked it so much I bought the company"
[14:39] <diplo> Can anyone  recommend me a good tutorial for installing postfix
[14:39]  * mungojerry has a remington shaver
[14:39] <diplo> Found a few but they all differ slightly, hoping someone has some recommendations :)
[14:40] <mungojerry> diplo , i found the redhat documentation useful
[14:40] <diplo> Not read any of theres actually, been searching ubuntu postfix sorta searches :)
[14:40] <diplo> Will take a look ta
[14:41] <diplo> Last time I did a MTA was qmail from source 8-10 years ago
[14:41] <mungojerry> fixed all my performance issues with ubuntu today :)
[14:41] <diplo> Funnily enough said install died on thursday last week after working flawlessly for the whole time
[14:42]  * diplo is waiting for 12.04 and sort it from there
[14:57] <PyjamaSpank> Just moved from Nvidia to ATI, and upgraded to 11.04. How do I enable compiz in classic mode?
[14:59] <DJones> Is it just me, or does this robot look as though its running backwards http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17269535 (I know its got no head, but the feet look the wrong way round)
[15:07] <andylockran> ssh 192
[15:07] <andylockran> ls
[15:07] <andylockran> soeey
[15:07]  * MartijnVdS gives andylockran a new root password
[15:08] <andylockran> I wish that were my pasword
[15:08] <andylockran> mine is much more complicated
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> 5033y?
[15:08] <daubers> zoey?
[15:08] <andylockran> damn you all
[15:09] <daubers> or zooey?
[15:09] <daubers> ;-)
[15:09] <andylockran> installing 12.04 :)
[15:09] <andylockran> on my aspire revo - oneric seemed to be really slow on it
[15:09] <andylockran> does that make sense?
[15:10] <bigcalm> Depends upon what you expect of it
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> Well it's not the best CPU ever, and not the best GPU ever
[15:10] <bigcalm> Works ok on mine
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> but it should work fine, i have some way older/worse machines and it runs OK on those
[15:10] <daubers> popey: did google release a tool to go from gmail gplus to personal domain gplus?
[15:11] <andylockran> i had lucid on it, and it worked adequately as my tv media pc
[15:11] <andylockran> but yeah, once I put oneric on it it 'seemed' to have slowed
[15:11] <bigcalm> When 12.04 stable is released, I'll put it on an SSD and put that in the revo. Should improve it
[15:11] <bigcalm> Did you fresh install or upgrade?
[15:11] <andylockran> fresh
[15:11]  * bigcalm shrugs then :)
[15:12] <andylockran> I've got a 120GB SSD that i might put in it, and take out of my mac
[15:13] <kaushal> Hi
[15:13] <kaushal> is there a way to capture the output of commands run on multiple servers using cssh ?
[15:16] <popey> daubers: not that I am aware of
[15:16] <PyjamaSpank> 12.04 does away with GNOME completely?
[15:16] <popey> PyjamaSpank: we ship gnome in the repo, but the default desktop is not gnome shell
[15:17] <kaushal> Hi popey
[15:18] <PyjamaSpank> I'm having problems with GNOME , Compiz and my 11.04, so I'm reluctant to upgrade again
[15:19] <PyjamaSpank> not sure if I should ask for help in GNOME, Ubuntu or ATI section
[15:23] <daubers> popey: ta
[15:23] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: apparently that mail from farnell was sent in error
[15:23] <popey> hi KrimZon_2
[15:23] <popey> oh, he left
[15:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks popey - how did you discover that?
[15:24] <popey> how else?
[15:24] <popey> twitter
[15:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[15:27] <andylockran> TheOpenSourcerer: popey, saw that post too, but thought it was AlanBell that made the complaint :s
[15:27] <andylockran> doh
[15:49] <andylockran> guys, ImageMagic'k's convert command?
[15:50] <andylockran> how can I set the position
[15:50] <bigcalm> What about it?
[15:51] <andylockran> I want to set the position to convert in relationh to form crop
[16:04]  * czajkowski stabs gord removes his tea and bickie allowance 
[16:05] <gord> so violent..
[16:06] <bigcalm> Mmm, tea
[16:07] <gord> roomba's seem so proud of themselves for doing the simpliest thing, well done, you managed to find your way home after walking 20ft away from it, you don't have to play a happy little tune just for that
[16:08] <popey> i want a roomba
[16:08] <bigcalm> Me too. Except I would still have to tidy for it to go anywhere
[16:09] <bigcalm> I would need to have a cat before I had a roomba though
[16:10] <gord> my cat and my roomba seem to be getting along well http://lightbox.com/photo/VfucWcb
[16:12] <gord> course she had a small heart attack and jumped about twenty ft in the air once it came on automatically to do the hoovering
[16:12] <daubers> H3/me might get a roomba for his new housey house
[16:12] <bigcalm> gord: why isn't she riding on it?
[16:12] <gord> she ain't an animated gif
[16:13]  * bigcalm heads to youtube for a fix
[16:13] <gord> we need an episode of maru where he rides a roomba really
[16:13] <gord> a roomba with a box on it
[16:15] <directhex> heh
[16:16] <czajkowski> http://i.imgur.com/F8Wop.jpg
[16:17] <czajkowski> gord: your patch hasnt fix my alt key issue when on irc it still launches hud
[16:17] <gord> czajkowski, not released yet, we have ap tests that confirm it works ;) wait for release
[16:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Pope] Improved Unity Files Lens Call For Testing - http://popey.com/blog/2012/03/06/improved-unity-files-lens-call-for-testing/
[16:18] <AlanBell> we should sort out a Precise release party
[16:19]  * MartijnVdS now has a btrfs /
[16:19] <gord> MartijnVdS, careful with that, btrfs is shiny but falls over easy
[16:19]  * popey pins a Bravery award on MartijnVdS 
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> Note I haven't converted /home yet ;)
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> Also, there's btrfsck now
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> also:
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> [    3.837132] Btrfs detected SSD devices, enabling SSD mode
[16:20] <directhex> butterfusc!
[16:20] <gord> oh there is? wow, progress
[16:20] <gord> only took like two years or something ;)
[16:20] <gord> AlanBell, party at your house? be there or be square?
[16:20] <directhex> does it detect ssd if it's on lvm on luks?
[16:20] <ubuntubhoy> anyone able to help me with 11.10 on an Aspire One A07561H netbook refusing to boot ?
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> ubuntubhoy: does it give an error at all? or just a blank screen?
[16:21] <ubuntubhoy> hangs at checking battery state
[16:21] <ubuntubhoy> but it will boot fine through recovery
[16:22] <ubuntubhoy> after selecting finish normal boot
[16:22] <AlanBell> gord: I am up for that
[16:23] <AlanBell> anyone got a different venue suggestion than round my house?
[16:23] <diplo> If there is enough notice I'll attend a meet up next one there is
[16:23] <diplo> Been meaning to come to the last 3-4
[16:23] <AlanBell> oh, and RAT on 7th July?nolan name
[16:23] <AlanBell> oops
[16:23] <AlanBell> oh, and RAT on 7th July?
[16:24] <diplo> that the train ?
[16:25] <AlanBell> http://www.watercressline.co.uk/Our-Services/RAT
[16:25] <AlanBell> yup
[16:25] <AlanBell> choo choo
[16:25] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: popey: czajkowski: christel: I am sure will be up for a RAT on 7th July :)
[16:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Unfortunately I am away that weekend.
[16:27] <AlanBell> 14th?
[16:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Looks OK.
[16:27] <diplo> Didn't realise it was that far but certainly a maybe
[16:27] <diplo> Need a hotel for the night though :)
[16:28] <popey> 14th looks good for me
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> Apt is scary fast now
[16:31] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aye we should be ok also
[16:35] <christel> there is a party at alans house?
[16:35] <christel> and a RAT
[16:36] <christel> in a train
[16:36] <christel> i have no idea what a RAT is, but i am totally up for it
[16:36] <christel> if i survive this week!
[16:36] <AlanBell> excellent
[16:36] <AlanBell> you will love the RAT christel
[16:36] <MooDoo> christel: Real Ale Train
[16:36] <christel> :D
[16:36] <christel> ooooo
[16:36] <christel> i am in!
[16:36] <MooDoo> oh have i just spoiled it
[16:36] <christel> can we make it depart NOW
[16:36] <AlanBell> http://www.watercressline.co.uk/Our-Services/RAT
[16:37] <AlanBell> ok, so if 14th July is good for the local contingent I think we should go with that
[16:37] <christel> oh that is awesome
[16:37] <christel> MooDoo: join us!
[16:37] <bigcalm> Oh, the RAT!
[16:37] <bigcalm> I had forgotten all about it
[16:37] <bigcalm> Doh
[16:37] <bigcalm> Did we agree on anything?
[16:38] <christel> however, i do feel we need to do something before then
[16:38] <christel> ideally even before beerex
[16:38] <AlanBell> I think we just did bigcalm :)
[16:38] <christel> because we havent beered since last year
[16:38] <bigcalm> Sorry, been concentrating on work :S
[16:38] <Dave2> All of you people have the same colour in my irssi, and it's a difficult one to read :(
[16:38] <bigcalm> AlanBell: what was agreed?
[16:38] <AlanBell> yes, Precise release party on 26th April
[16:38] <AlanBell> bigcalm: RAT on 14th July
[16:38] <bigcalm> Ta
[16:38]  * bigcalm looks at calendars
[16:39] <AlanBell> and we should do another Happy Hour
[16:39] <AlanBell> perhaps the Wolverhampton crew could do one
[16:39] <bigcalm> AlanBell: prod davmor2 and mrevell. I know nothing of the area
[16:39] <Dave2> You should do one in Reading
[16:39]  * Dave2 nods.
[16:39] <AlanBell> probably more of a posse or massiff than a crew
[16:40] <bigcalm> o.O
[16:40] <AlanBell> reading is good
[16:40] <bigcalm> The Wolverhampton disappointment?
[16:40] <Dave2> Argh now I want Sweeney & Todd pie
[16:40] <christel> yes! HAPPY HOUR
[16:41] <Dave2> Also I have 7 hermans in my freezer.
[16:41] <Dave2> Or is it 6
[16:41] <AlanBell> oh marvelous
[16:41] <christel> oh yes! we need a herman hour
[16:41] <AlanBell> so, when can you make the Reading Happy Hour Dave2?
[16:42] <christel> why didnt we do reading yet
[16:42] <AlanBell> I will try to get to that one
[16:42] <christel> yeah! i will deffo do reading as that isnt very far awaaaay
[16:42] <christel> we are also overdue our farnham pub crawl
[16:42] <Dave2> WHENEVER
[16:42] <AlanBell> christel: because nobody specified a date :) it just takes one local to set a date when they are going to be at a particular pub
[16:42] <AlanBell> then we all pile in
[16:42] <christel> hehe
[16:43] <christel> Dave2: for some reason i now have mental imagery of you dressed as shakira
[16:43] <christel> and it is not particularly hot :s
[16:43] <Dave2> ...oh...dear...
[16:43] <AlanBell> ok, Dave2 how about 29th March
[16:43] <bigcalm> AlanBell: RAT - is one person booking places or do we need to do this individually?
[16:43] <christel> AlanBell: what is best for all the alans, weekends or weekdays (for local crawl)
[16:43] <AlanBell> bigcalm: individually
[16:44] <bigcalm> Ta
[16:44] <Dave2> AlanBell: perfect
[16:44] <Dave2> because I already booked the 30th off
[16:44] <AlanBell> Dave2: what pub?
[16:44] <Dave2> You got me there :(
[16:44] <Dave2> The Hobgoblin!
[16:44] <AlanBell> daubers: o/
[16:44] <AlanBell> ok
[16:44]  * popey asks other geeks
[16:44] <AlanBell> popey: about the RAT?
[16:44] <Dave2> The problem with that one is that the pubs I go to are zerodegrees with work, which probably isn't the right place, and the Back of Beyond with the LUG, which is a Wetherspoons
[16:44] <popey> about the pubs in reading
[16:45] <AlanBell> ok
[16:46] <bigcalm> Can anybody recommend some accommodation near the RAT?
[16:47]  * diplo interested as well
[16:47] <AlanBell> it does connect with the return train back to Farnham and onwards to London
[16:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: In Alton?
[16:47] <daubers> AlanBell: lo
[16:47] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: *shrug* I'd live that way so don't know what's ideal :)
[16:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> There are plenty of Inns, hotels & B&Bs around
[16:48] <bigcalm> Humm, a night in Farnham wouldn't be too bad
[16:48] <christel> you'd live the alton way?
[16:48] <popey> "Reading Geek Night and TVRRUG meet in Copa, which is on King's Road, a short walk out of the town centre"
[16:48] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, for me as well, what ever is closest to the get off point that I don't need another taxi and a place to leave the car
[16:48] <popey> "That's usually quite quiet, and you can book either the downstairs area (at canal level, for larger groups) or a side area upstairs (at ground level)."
[16:48] <popey> " Silicon Corridor meet at the Back of Beyond, which is a Wetherspoons another 50 yards down the road from Copa."
[16:48] <popey> "Hobgoblin is very small and crowded, and I think is in the process of being redecorated."
[16:48] <daubers> DOn't go to the Hobgoblin! Awesome pub, very crowded, nowhere to sit
[16:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: How about the Hotel De Ville?
[16:48] <christel> the hobgoblin is teeeeeny
[16:49] <daubers> Copa is nice, but a bit poncy :) Back of beyond is a spoons
[16:49] <christel> they only have enough room for one alan at the time
[16:49] <Dave2> what daubers said
[16:49] <Dave2> Althogh I've never been in Copa
[16:49] <Dave2> But I'd say it's more of a bar than a pub
[16:49] <popey> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4546139538288&lon=-0.964541137218475&zoom=18
[16:49] <Dave2> From the looks of things
[16:49] <daubers> (Sahara is expensive, but has the _best_ range of spirits anywhere ever and have bartenders who know what they're talking about)
[16:49] <Dave2> Sahara is definitely more of a bar than a pub
[16:49] <daubers> Dave2: Exactley that :) They're quite good about booking downstairs though
[16:50] <popey> "The food at Copa is expensive and only "OK". The BoB is typical Wetherspoons."
[16:50] <daubers> copa that is
[16:50] <popey> " The Warwick between the two is apparently a rather good Thai place."
[16:50] <AlanBell> http://www.hoteldevie.com/business/faqs.html#swingers-hotel-myth
[16:50] <christel> daubers: spirits? are you trying to get us drunk :x
[16:50] <daubers> christel: They have an awesome range of single malts
[16:50] <Dave2> I've only been to Sahara after leaving Zerodegrees
[16:50] <daubers> and do cocktails
[16:50] <Dave2> So I've generally already been a bit intoxicated by the time I've visited
[16:50] <christel> i do appreciate nice whisky
[16:51] <Dave2> That corner is a straight <10 minute walk from where I love though.
[16:51] <Dave2> er, live
[16:51] <daubers> Never been to the thai place :)
[16:51] <christel> 13
[16:51] <daubers> Jamies Italian is quite nice, can't book a table though
[16:51] <daubers> Oracle is full of <generic chain> food places
[16:51] <Dave2> That it is
[16:51] <Dave2> Well, the food court is
[16:52] <daubers> The bit by the riverside :)
[16:52] <Dave2> But not really the place for a happy hour
[16:52] <popey> CHOOSE SOMEWHERE! :D
[16:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> christel: I got a bottle of this yesterday as a birthday present: http://www.bruichladdich.com/the-whisky/classic-whisky/classic-bruichladdich/2001-the-resurrection-dram
[16:52] <popey> oh, did my mind say that aloud? ☺
[16:52] <christel> you guys are useless, you've taken longer to uhm and aah over these potential venues than i do over buying shoes!
[16:52] <daubers> popey: Food more than beer or beer more than food?
[16:52] <popey> i care little for this 'food' you speak of
[16:53] <Dave2> It's a "people turn up and have beer and maybe food", rather than a "people turn up for a meal with some drinks", AFIAK
[16:53] <Dave2> AFAIK
[16:53] <daubers> BoB then? We can always go somewhere else afterwards
[16:53] <christel> TheOpenSourcerer: oooh my laptop is called bruichladdich after a very beautiful bottle of bruichladdich flirtation i once had
[16:53] <Dave2> That might be bad for people who come late
[16:53] <Dave2> "Where is everyone? :(:(:("
[16:53] <daubers> Dave2: That's what twitter is for
[16:54] <christel> yeah, i prefer beer to food
[16:54] <daubers> Normally end up dozing off quite happily in BoB anyway
[16:54] <Dave2> Not everyone has a smartphone!
[16:54] <christel> no food == more room for beer!
[16:54] <Dave2> But yes, the main problem is that I don't really know anywhere appropriate, BoB's is probably the closest.
[16:54] <AlanBell> did someone choose a pub yet?
[16:54]  * daubers gets some dice
[16:54]  * popey gets some ice
[16:54] <AlanBell> roll that D20
[16:55] <bigcalm> Hayley has expressed interest in the RAT :)
[16:55] <Dave2> I don't have enough experience of pubs in Reading that aren't zerodegrees, sahara, the hobgoblin, or bob's
[16:56] <bigcalm> Will book when I get paid
[16:56] <daubers> Dave2: I'd just go with BoB or Copa
[16:56] <daubers> Copa is a little nice than BoB but BoB is more pubby
[16:56] <christel> BoB
[16:57] <christel> AlanBell: march 29th, BoB, Reading.
[16:57] <AlanBell> ok so what is BoB? does it have a longer name?
[16:57] <christel> i've decided for them
[16:57] <AlanBell> and a postcode?
[16:57] <Dave2> Back of Beyond
[16:57] <daubers> Back of Beyond, the weathspoons on kings road
[16:57]  * TheOpenSourcerer recalls a catchy theme tune... 
[16:57] <daubers> SCLug meet there
[16:57] <Dave2> Or do we want to go with a Wetherspoon's closer to the town centre⸘
[16:57] <Dave2> ‽, even
[16:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh, sorry that was BoD
[16:57]  * AlanBell is saying BoB like Rowan Atkinson
[16:58] <christel> Dave2: oh, is this place near the train station for those training it?
[16:58] <daubers> AlanBell: http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/pubs/the-back-of-beyond
[16:58] <Dave2> It's walkable
[16:58] <christel> sounds good
[16:58] <Dave2> It's not a massive distance, it's just not right in the centre
[16:59] <Dave2> (It's also ~20 minutes from me instead of ~10, if that helps at all.)
[16:59] <daubers> Dave2: Meh, at the moment it's busable from me... but at that point it might be train+bus
[17:00] <daubers> AlanBell: The dice agree http://ubuntuone.com/43tdWXq174qAtlaHhMcg12
[17:03] <davmor2> Booo!
[17:03]  * daubers has a heart attack
[17:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod for not being here and another prod just for proddings sake
[17:03] <czajkowski> herrrro
[17:04] <AlanBell> davmor2 just the chap
[17:05] <davmor2> wow I just saw the Topic man that looks awesome I bet it was popey who made the topic that awesome and possibly just to annoy czajkowski with the awesome
[17:05] <davmor2> AlanBell: I'm not here it wasn't me
[17:05] <davmor2> AlanBell: what's up dude
[17:06] <AlanBell> happy hours \o/
[17:06] <AlanBell> need one in Wolverhampton
[17:06] <AlanBell> it needs cheering up
[17:06] <czajkowski> they cna have one tomorrow at llunch
[17:06] <czajkowski> in the lgihthouse
[17:06] <czajkowski> :)
[17:06] <czajkowski> Lighthouse even
[17:08] <Dave2> You reminded me of the BBC news article about cities
[17:08] <popey> You reminded me of a game written in perl called cities.
[17:08] <Dave2> Which I now can't find.
[17:08] <christel> :o
[17:08] <christel> i'll play with your cities.
[17:09] <Dave2> Found it.
[17:09] <davmor2> Right so I can try and organise one for after the co-working space a fortnight Thursday at a pub,  but we have a hell of a lot on top of each other currently
[17:09] <davmor2> AlanBell: ^
[17:09] <Dave2> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13841482 - "Although the whole of the UK was enjoying an economic boom, the new cities, with the exception of Wolverhampton, outperformed their regional counterparts in terms of increasing investment and reducing unemployment."
[17:10] <AlanBell> davmor2: we are doing one in Reading on 29th March
[17:12] <davmor2> AlanBell: so ours would be the 22nd of march or the 19th of April
[17:12] <AlanBell> nice
[17:13] <davmor2> gord, bigcalm: any preference?
[17:13] <bigcalm> Humm?
[17:14] <christel> bigcalm wants both
[17:14] <christel> he's greedy like that
[17:14]  * christel nods
[17:14] <bigcalm> I have no idea what's being discussed, doing some work for a change :P
[17:14] <hamitron> work? :| *confused*
[17:15] <bigcalm> Writing an API for a project that was started in 2001. Slow progress...
[17:15] <hamitron> hehe
[17:15] <hamitron> :D
[17:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: a happy hour I said we would run one on a co-working space day as half the people likely to come would already be there
[17:16] <bigcalm> davmor2: sounds good
[17:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'd finish the project first then you'll be able to write the api much quicker
[17:16] <bigcalm> davmor2: heh. The project is finished, this is an additional enhancement
[17:16] <bigcalm> I meant that writing the API was slow progress
[17:17] <davmor2> bigcalm:  so are either of these 2 dates  22nd of march or the 19th of April  better for you?
[17:17] <popey> AlanBell: that patch to improve compiz already _is_ in 12.04
[17:17] <AlanBell> oh, cool
[17:17] <bigcalm> I thought it was one per month? With this month's having just been posted to the mailing list
[17:18] <christel> AlanBell: we should do a co-working space day! i am all jealous of them.. all you alans should partake, only you spend your days at client sites i guess
[17:18] <AlanBell> bigcalm: roughly, so we can plan the following month
[17:18] <AlanBell> christel: we are looking into getting an office
[17:18] <christel> oooh can i come work in your office? :D
[17:18] <bigcalm> :O
[17:20] <bigcalm> davmor2: other than the workplace days themselves, I have no plans for either date. You choose :)
[17:20] <christel> i suffer with serious cabin fever when working on silly (big) projects
[17:20] <AlanBell> christel: well we have to find one first
[17:20] <davmor2> gord:  same question ^
[17:21] <christel> occasionally i do the laptop in pub thing, but then i end up drinking wine and watching people instead
[17:21] <bigcalm> christel: me too
[17:21] <christel> which is such a bad move
[17:21]  * bigcalm froths at the mouth far too often
[17:21] <davmor2> christel: you gonna come it's only a couple of miles from yours right ;)
[17:21] <christel> davmor2: hehe i think it's like 2 hours :P
[17:23] <davmor2> christel: We'll take that as a yes then right? :D
[17:23] <christel> maybe
[17:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> God I fancy a pint.
[17:24] <Dave2> I still want a Sweeney & Todd pie
[17:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Think I might offer to drop the kids off at Scouts shortly ;-)
[17:28] <christel> i fancy a pint but i have a silly project to finish
[17:29] <czajkowski> christel: no rest for the wicked :)
[17:30] <Dave2> Gaah, I really want a Sweeney & Todd pie, it's been all of several weeks since I had one.
[17:34] <czajkowski> diddums
[17:38] <christel> czajkowski: indeed!
[17:41] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: Who's this pint woman and does your missus know?
[17:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> She is tall, slender & dark and slips down real easy.
[17:48] <bigcalm> `-`
[17:49] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: Hahaha
[18:05] <Dave2> My phone told me I'd got an e-mail from the sclug mailing list informing me that there's a happy hour in Reading on the 29th.
[18:05]  * Dave2 head off
[18:40] <Dave2> heads, even
[19:45] <smouty> southampton happy hour?!? Suggest the Hobbitt on the 20-03-09
[19:46]  * AlanBell thinks smouty is living in the past
[19:47] <gord> he just has a reeeeeeeally long ping
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: nah, in the future. 2020 hasn't been yet
[19:51] <smouty> sorry I am antiquated but meant 20-03-12
[19:52] <gord> you meant 03-20-12!
[19:52] <gord> wait no, i'm wrong
[19:52] <gord> i'm tired
[19:53] <smouty> to clarify 20th march 2012
[19:55] <smouty> that is for a happy hour in southampton at the hobbit
[20:04] <jacobw> good evening
[20:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Ubuntu Accomplishments  Install and have some fun - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2012/03/06/ubuntu-accomplishments-install-and-have-some-fun/
[20:25] <popey> http://www.beeb30.org.uk/
[20:30] <Oli> czajkowski: Hey, thanks for standing up for Ask Ubuntu earlier (even if it did mean bodhi_zazen got super-upset)!
[20:31] <czajkowski> Oli: not going into that again :)
[20:31] <Oli> Oh I'm sure there's more than enough fire under that bridge, but I'm just reading it and wanted to thank you for the initial comment.
[20:32] <czajkowski> Oli: np
[20:32] <OmNomDePlume> COME ON YOU ARSE-ANALS
[20:33] <czajkowski> OmNomDePlume: language!
[20:33] <directhex> bottom-bottomlys
[20:33] <OmNomDePlume> ZUT ALORS LE GUNNERS
[20:34] <OmNomDePlume> Arseanal 3 - 0 Peelan
[20:41] <bigcalm> czajkowski: going to the RAT event?
[20:42] <czajkowski> yup
[20:42] <bigcalm> Yay
[20:42] <bigcalm> Hayley is too, upping the lady quota :)
[20:48] <AlanBell> \o/
[20:50] <AlanBell> czajkowski: Jon coming too?
[20:52] <brobostigon> lol. on thr mailing list alan described RAt, with the title. "Choo Choo!" :)
[20:52] <brobostigon> i like.
[20:54] <AlanBell> it does!
[20:55] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1603/detail/
[20:57] <bigcalm> AlanBell: are we not able to add ourselves to this event?
[20:58] <AlanBell> no, because I don't want anyone adding themselves on Launchpad and thinking that they don't have to buy a ticket
[20:58] <AlanBell> so I set the registration URL to the website
[20:58] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[20:58] <Azelphur> I just found a pretty scary security vulnerability in gamesurge o.O
[20:58] <Azelphur> I can gline practically any bot on the network
[20:58] <bigcalm> AlanBell: maybe add people upon being told of tickets being purchased?
[20:58] <AlanBell> we can sort out a "so who is going then" thing nearer the time, but I don't want people getting confused
[20:59] <Azelphur> someone used it to attack my bot, which is how I found out
[21:16] <andylockran> howdy
[21:26] <czajkowski> AlanBell: yup
[21:30] <lozzer>  i want to revamp the gui for this app http://postimage.org/image/t58g6hbnv/ any idea on how to start
[21:32] <jacobw> lozzer: subscribe to the development list, study the source, contact the developer with questions that arise.
[21:48] <mattt> evening all