[00:34] <InHisName> hi 2 u 2
[00:41] <jthan> Anyone have relatives in Colorado or anything?
[00:42] <jthan> Trying to get a taste for the place.  I'm going to visit pending my acceptance at the University of Colorado.
[00:51] <teddy-dbear> jthan: the sooner your out of here the safer my cookies will be :-D
[00:51] <EvilResistance> .
[00:52]  * EvilResistance hides the cookies in an underground bunker surrounded by force fields, energy barriers, and phaser defense systems
[00:52] <jthan> Doubtful.
[00:52] <EvilResistance> teddy-dbear:  there, you wont have to worry about anyone getting your cookies
[00:52] <teddy-dbear> including me :P
[00:53] <EvilResistance> indeed
[00:53] <EvilResistance> it'll protect the cookies from everyone
[00:53] <EvilResistance> even i dont have access
[00:54] <teddy-dbear> I'll take my chances
[00:57] <EvilResistance> oh well.  i guess i'll have to use the bunker as a protected arsenal against the anarchists...
[00:57]  * EvilResistance prepares the bunker for this.
[00:58] <teddy-dbear> and mutant turkeys
[00:58] <EvilResistance> indeed.
[01:02] <InHisName> teddy-dbear mutates cookies or turkeys ?
[01:06] <teddy-dbear> just dumb who ask dumb questions
[01:08] <InHisName> so that's what the "d" stand for:  dumb
[01:26] <MutantTurkey> ping pong
[01:27] <EvilResistance> PEW PEW *BOOM* *BOOM*
[01:27] <EvilResistance> ^ laser cannons, huge laser bolts :P
[01:28] <MutantTurkey> oh ma
[01:28] <EvilResistance> :P
[01:28] <EvilResistance> sup
[01:33] <MutantTurkey> working on school stuff
[01:33] <MutantTurkey> midterms this week
[01:34] <MutantTurkey> one take home test - 3 hours long. one 6 page paper about a topic we haven't yet reached in history class. a microeconomics test thursday and a history of vietnam test thursday as well
[01:34] <MutantTurkey> and a gig friday
[01:34] <MutantTurkey> with a new guitar player and drummer who still need to learn the parts.
[01:34] <MutantTurkey> and school.
[01:34] <MutantTurkey> fkkk
[01:34] <MutantTurkey> fk fk fk fk
[01:36] <EvilResistance> what now
[01:37] <MutantTurkey> so much school work and I am gigging on friday ta some place in levittown and its a wreck
[01:37] <MutantTurkey> fk
[01:37] <MutantTurkey> :[
[06:11] <InHisName> any irc experts listening:  in pigin, when I had /join'ed #xyz and forgot what after rebooting.  Is there a way to find out what I used to belong to last time ?
[06:13] <InHisName> I have 7 rooms that I autojoin and 2 more that I /join'd recently  I cannot remember the last one.
[06:20] <EvilResistance> InHisName, not with Pidgin
[06:20] <EvilResistance> maybe if you had logs
[06:21] <EvilResistance> but idk if you get that with their irc plugin
[06:21] <EvilResistance> btw, dont use Pidgin for IRC
[06:50] <andrew> Check your log files?
[10:51] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:53] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:54] <JonathanD> Hi rmg51
[10:58] <rmg51> o/
[13:39] <InHisName> I am logging somewhere for pigin.  When I restart, it pulls up last log into window.
[13:39] <InHisName> Oh, yes!  Good morning folks!
[14:19] <ChinnoDog> morning
[14:22]  * ChinnoDog noms some sourdough toast
[14:22] <jedijf> cream of wheat here
[14:25] <ChinnoDog> That was never my thing
[14:26] <JonathanD> chicken parm here.
[14:26] <ChinnoDog> I ate Farina for a little while but it was hard to wash off the dishes.
[14:27] <ChinnoDog> and some people can't be convinced it is easier to use disposable bowls, even when numbers are provided. Kind of like global warming.
[14:27] <ChinnoDog> hi MutantTurkey
[14:28] <MutantTurkey> hey there ChinnoDog
[14:28] <MutantTurkey> global warming does not exist.
[14:28] <MutantTurkey> well not in the way proported by science.
[14:29] <ChinnoDog> s/science/some scientists/
[14:36] <ChinnoDog> Lets blame lamalex for global warming
[14:37] <JonathanD> I thought it was pleia2's fault?
[14:38] <MutantTurkey> I'm putting my bets on ssweeny
[14:38]  * ssweeny knows nothing
[14:57] <jedijf> philly area - we need to reach out to ntr again - by we, i mean not me, but YOU - step up, give back - we can promote linux in the area
[14:58] <waltman> ntr?
[15:00] <ChinnoDog> This is why we need PennBot
[15:01] <rmg51> http://ntrweb.org/
[15:02] <EvilResistance> ChinnoDog, my router is completely dead, and i'm back in Pittsburgh for Spring Break, i'll bring up a Linux system while i'm here to host PennBot until i can fix my router :/
[15:02] <jedijf> actually this was spurred by a tweet by a philly rep and tech week and donations to ntr
[15:02] <EvilResistance> and i agree we need PennBot :/
[15:03] <waltman> ah
[15:13] <MutantTurkey> I wish firefox was smarter about history
[15:14] <MutantTurkey> i want to blacklist all facebook photo views, all gmail pages stuff like that
[15:14] <MutantTurkey> just wasting my database space
[15:14] <MutantTurkey> i'm looking into loading my cache into a tmpfs though
[15:14] <MutantTurkey> should be good
[15:16] <MutantTurkey> now it's sucking out my cpu to delete 10k entries
[15:20] <waltman> Why do you care about this?
[15:21] <waltman> disk space is cheap. just let ff do its thing.
[15:21] <MutantTurkey> power
[15:21] <MutantTurkey> power power power
[15:21] <waltman> power?
[15:21] <MutantTurkey> because it cycles my hard drive all day for no reason on a laptop
[15:21] <MutantTurkey> my hard drive should not be spinning for browsing the web.
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> it simply should not.
[15:22] <waltman> sounds like premature optimization to me
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> ...
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> premature optimization?
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> whut.
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> no
[15:22] <waltman> you harddrive is spinning for all sorts of things
[15:22] <waltman> lots
[15:22] <waltman> logs
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> no it isn't
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> no it isn't
[15:22] <MutantTurkey> you're hard drive might be...
[15:23] <waltman> all the space you're wasting on unnecessary apostrophes...
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> I don't use many daemons, my syslog goes to /tmp my /tmp is mounted as a tmpfs
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> your'
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> sorry
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> x logs point to /dev/null
[15:24] <waltman> That sounds like a really bad idea. If something causes your box to crash, how do you plan on diagnosing it?
[15:24] <waltman> And how about swap? I assume you've got that turned off, too?
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> yes of course
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> swap is pointless.
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> I haven't used swap in years though
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> it's so pointless of
[15:25] <MutantTurkey> oh jeez why does anyone use it
[15:25] <MutantTurkey> with 4 gigs of ram - 3 gigs more than i'll ever use. why would I need swap?
[15:25] <waltman> So instead using swap, you've got a smaller disk cache that you could, which means more hits to your filesystem anyway.
[15:25] <MutantTurkey> a smaller disk cache for what?
[15:26] <MutantTurkey> right now my hard disk is spun down
[15:26] <MutantTurkey> just chilling
[15:26] <waltman> Linux is caching less disk than you could.
[15:26] <MutantTurkey> good point, but it's also not wasting hard drive writes on what ram can do
[15:26] <waltman> If you only want a laptop for surfing and irc, you should get a tablet.
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> no
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> If I want to use a laptop for surfing some times, i expect the hard drive to spin down when I am not doing any disk related work
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> i do plenty of real laptop work
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> but when I am not accessing directly, I don't expect it to be accessed randomly
[15:28] <MutantTurkey> I don't expect my CD drive to be running all the time when I have a CD in it, only when it's in use
[15:29] <waltman> I'll repeat that storing your entire /var/log in a tmpfs seems like a bad idea to me. I like the stuff I log to stick around for a while, and have it be there in between reboots.
[15:29] <MutantTurkey> nothing is writing to /var/log...
[15:29] <waltman> which is also a problem.
[15:30] <waltman> Someday you're going to have a problem and you won't be able to diagnose it.
[15:30] <MutantTurkey> not actively.
[15:31] <MutantTurkey> kdm does - when it logs in auth.log is written to when needed
[15:31] <MutantTurkey> thats all very nice
[15:31] <MutantTurkey> I think you are putting more cost towards being able to diagnose and maintain and fix problems, where I am stressing something else
[15:32] <MutantTurkey> my system rarely needs fixing, and when it breaks the cost of fixing it is low, so it's worth the tradeoff for me
[15:32] <waltman> It's because I've learned over the years that logfiles are vital.  You'll learn your lesson!
[15:32] <MutantTurkey> meh
[15:33] <MutantTurkey> my systems are always stable and I'm not kidding. I don't run into crazy problems
[15:33] <waltman> Or you'll invest in SSDs and then you won't have to worry about spinning disks anymore :)
[15:33] <MutantTurkey> I will once the cost has deinflated
[15:56] <InHisName> Just buy a 3TB disk drive while you wait for decreasing prices.  I bought a 2TB the other month for less than 99.
[15:58] <ChinnoDog> All my disk drives are becoming small and obsolete :-(
[15:58] <ChinnoDog> 2tb is bigger than all of my disks comibned
[15:59] <ChinnoDog> Well, excluding the 1.5tb drive I use for backups
[15:59] <ChinnoDog> I is a slow USB external drive
[15:59] <ChinnoDog> s/I/IT/
[15:59] <ChinnoDog> It
[15:59] <ChinnoDog> sheesh
[16:02] <waltman> ChinnoDog: A bigger drive won't help him if his only goal is to have it not spin up.
[16:05] <EvilResistance> i should add that either you get an SSD and dont deal with the spinning, or live with it constantly spinning.  My drive does this, too, even on Windows though, so...
[16:05] <EvilResistance> granted I have lots of log files being written to /var/log :P
[16:06] <waltman> Having /var/log on a tmpfs is madness.
[16:07] <waltman> But he'a a mutant. That's how they roll.
[16:07] <waltman> MutantTurkey: OHAI
[16:07] <MutantTurkey> what what what
[16:08] <EvilResistance> lolol
[16:51] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: do me a favor check your ... log
[16:51] <MutantTurkey> which one?
[16:52] <MutantTurkey> and why?
[16:52] <jedijf> teasing
[16:52] <MutantTurkey> :p
[16:54] <jedijf> updating logo, pleia2 i'll ping we need to change site
[16:55] <jedijf> starting good: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1201442/ubuntu.png
[16:55] <jedijf> now just trying to maybe unity violet update it
[16:55] <EvilResistance> hehe
[16:55] <EvilResistance> jedijf, where would the violet go?
[16:55] <EvilResistance> inside the keystone?
[16:55] <jedijf> where the orange is
[16:56] <EvilResistance> replacing the orange with violet?
[16:56] <jedijf> did you see first attempt? yes
[16:56] <EvilResistance> i didnt
[16:56]  * EvilResistance wasnt here at the time
[16:56] <jedijf> asked for channel mailing list updating months ago , now just doing it
[16:56] <jedijf> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1201442/ubuntu.png
[16:57] <EvilResistance> ah, that'd explain why i didnt see it, i've had issues with th emailing lists
[16:57] <EvilResistance> bleh, stupid updates
[16:57] <EvilResistance> my networking here will be down for a while, i'll return when its up
[16:58] <jedijf> the keystone is a keeper
[16:58] <jedijf> just have to work around it; it's a no brainer
[17:22] <waltman> The top of the keystone seems a tad too flat to me, but maybe that's a function of the thickness of the lines.
[17:39] <jedijf> now we need to be geographically correct? :p
[17:41] <pleia2> jedijf: #dd4814 is the proper orange
[17:43] <jedijf> now i have to look at our keystone too; should wikipedia be trusted
[17:43] <jedijf> waltman: i now see what you are saying
[17:43] <jedijf> pleia2: also wanted some unity violet represented
[17:44] <jedijf> i sent the brand info
[17:44] <pleia2> :)
[17:50] <jedijf> pleia2: waht do you think? purple out, regular circle branding inner?
[17:51] <jedijf> waltman: the orange one, keystone was from: http://pa.gov/portal/server.pt/community/pa_gov/20387
[17:52] <MutantTurkey>  what
[17:52] <waltman> it might just be the thick line
[17:52] <jedijf> nah, the wiki one looked different
[17:52] <jedijf> wikipedia
[17:55] <pleia2> I have no design sense
[17:56] <jedijf> http://files.jedijf.com/Purple_logo.png
[17:56] <jedijf> too much purp i think
[17:57] <jedijf> we'll have 3 to choose from
[17:57] <jedijf> orange/orange purp/purp purp/orange
[18:00] <pleia2> jedijf: http://design.canonical.com/2011/07/ubuntu-orange-is-dd4814/
[18:00] <pleia2> has the code for the purple too :)
[18:04] <jedijf> pleia2: the purple is the official one
[18:04] <pleia2> hm, the design blog is saying #772953 is the right color
[18:05] <pleia2> rather than #77216f
[18:05] <jedijf> damn artists
[18:06] <waltman> You can never have too much purple!
[18:06] <MutantTurkey> better than ubuntu's poop-colored earlier versions. i just remember everything being so brown...
[18:06] <jedijf> iirc there was corn strewn throughout
[18:06] <MutantTurkey> something like that..
[18:08] <jedijf> pleia2: thanks, just sent that link. that's where we're leaving it
[18:11] <jedijf> pleia2: apparently there are 3 usable purples and the one orange
[18:11] <jedijf> hahah
[18:11] <jedijf> complicated colors
[18:12] <pleia2> :)
[18:12] <pleia2> was even worse before we had that blog post
[18:13] <jedijf> the comments are stoopid insane
[18:13] <jedijf> dictatorships ftw
[18:14] <pleia2> yeah, I don't read comments
[18:14] <jedijf> fidel never put up with that kind of stuff
[18:46] <MutantTurkey>  myeyes
[18:46] <MutantTurkey> my eyess