[00:03] After I've logged in, as soon as desktop icons load, my wallpaper disappears and my icon theme changes. What should I look for, to fix this? [00:07] Maybe some list of processes ran at login, to see what's killing what? [00:08] are you running nautilus? [00:10] thunar [00:12] app menu -> settings -> settings manager -> session and startup -> tab application autostart [00:12] if you think it's something there [00:12] thanks [00:15] What xfce application handles wallpaper? I would've thought xfdesktop, but I have that running (presumably correctly). [00:15] that does, but for example, nautilus will take over [00:16] I don't think I have nautilus. I run xubuntu. [00:17] Isn't nautilus the file browser for gnome? [00:17] yeah, you shouldn't. :) but i said it will, just for an example [00:17] yeah, gnome uses nautilus [00:25] Apparently, no one in the history of google has had this problem. Or my google-fu is weak. [00:55] Hey, I tried 11.10 via USB.. still nothing. I choose install, logo appears, but then suddenly desktop session pops in and It kinda freezes. Can't run install or applications :( [00:56] Maybe I'll try formatting pendrive.. but I don't know.. [00:57] try safe graphics mode [00:57] F6 at the boot screen i believe [00:57] try forcing the vesa driver [00:58] pamposzek: ^ [00:58] Thanks, I'll try that after I make again usb bootloader. [01:01] Oh. 'Checksum do not match. Retry?' ... so iso file is corrupted? ;o [01:03] Strange ;/ I [01:04] I'm running 12.04 live cd, making boot for 11.10. On 38% cd is read and then error about checksums.. [01:04] use #ubuntu+1 for 12.04 :) [01:44] hello there [01:44] one quick question [01:44] what was the latest version of xubuntu to support PowerPC G4? [01:45] I'm trying to find a use to an old Mac Mini (2005) I found [01:59] Hey. Still can't install 11.10 via USB. I created image using Unetbootin and I can't select vesa mode.. [02:00] It shows logo, then stops and enters desktop mode - there I can only reboot, even xchat doesn't work. [02:03] mundofr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads [02:04] pamposzek: i would try the vesa driver [02:04] i would also consider tryint the alternate CD and just go on and install [02:04] i would try another popular live CD, such as knoppix [02:08] Hm, maybe I could install from USB while using live cd? [02:08] this is so frustrating.. [02:17] thanks holstein! [03:09] For some reason when I log in, my wallpaper quickly disappears (leaving a solid blue background) and my desktop icons are not the usual style. Any suggestions? [03:14] what are the addresses for yahoo video chat? and ports i would like to block them.. outgoing and incoming [03:17] Vermicelli, maybe you are loading a second desktop manager run ps auxw and look for one? [03:19] Vermicelli, for example mine is xfdesktop and then compiz ccp --replace [03:24] Vermicelli, xfce4-session, xfwm4, xfdesktop, gnome, startkde, something like that? [03:30] No gnome or compiz. Just straight xfce. [03:33] Vermicelli, does ps aux show xfdesktop as a process? [03:36] w30, yes. [03:38] Vermicelli, Are your icons just two colored or hi contrast like you would have with a vision handicapped setting would have? [03:39] err....like a handicapped setting would have [03:40] They're just a different style. Most notably, timage files show a thumbnail in the icon, rather than the generic image icon (jpgs, etc). [03:40] image* [03:46] hmmmm.. My image files have a thumbnail in Thunar but not the ones on the Desktop. They show a generic black square in a frame like a picture frame of nothing but dark [03:47] Vermicelli, what do you have for a wallpaper that you loose? [03:50] Vermicelli, and can you change the wallpaper by right clicking your mouse and picking desktop settings? [03:51] I have access to the menu, but selecting a wallpaper has no effect. [03:52] I had a ~1MB .jpg as wallpaper. [03:53] Vermicelli, even picking the single image button doesn't help eh? [03:53] Actually, right-clicking on desktop, nothing happens when I select "change desktop background." Through xfce's setting manager, I at least can get to the menu to select a wallpaper. [03:54] w30, Right. In the setting manager's "Desktop" section, nothing has any effect. [03:55] Vermicelli, what about making a gradient? Is that possible? [03:55] Negative. [03:56] Nor does "Set as wallpaper" on an image's context menu. [03:57] Vermicelli, It's obvious that your computer has been taken over by Zombies... [03:59] Vermicelli, Seriously, I don't have any idea where to go next. Sorry [03:59] Thanks. I appreciate the help. [04:00] Vermicelli, I wish I knew more. [04:00] It started when my brother had me install hamachi and haguichi (a gui for it) , which called for a bunch of prereqs. I uninstalled and autoremoved, but something obviously is different than before. At least, that's the correlation, if not causation. [04:02] Thanks anyway though. FOr the time and trouble, if nothing else. [04:09] Vermicelli, Have you got any kind words for your brother? Ha! [04:21] I love you guys. [04:22] reinstalling and i saw the link and was like .... this CANT work during install... [04:22] It doesn't, you're not here. [04:23] Am I that drunk? [04:23] shit. [04:23] :D [04:24] Just kidding. :P [04:25] Am I having a conversation with malware? [04:25] o_O [04:26] Yep, I am full on malware, very smart and can answer many questions, as long as you don't mind the lag. ;) [04:27] Quit fapping. [04:27] Errr... This is supposed to be a family friendly support channel... [04:28] Fapping is knitting right? [10:00] Hey, just a quick question. Is installing xubuntu-desktop on Ubuntu the same thing as doing fresh install of Xubuntu in terms of performance? [10:01] it is not. [10:01] you might have to check what services are running [10:01] !purexfce [10:01] If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce » [10:02] So after doing this script it will be the same, right? ubottu [10:03] pamposzek, it should be relatively same. but no promises. [10:03] Thanks a lot. Well, it's my only shot. Xubuntu install doesn't like my pc ;) [10:03] pamposzek, and it will remove anything in gnome, even those packages you're using. so you might need to reinstall a few things. [10:04] pamposzek, what's the problem with the xubuntu install? [10:05] I get some 'unrecoverable error' on 12.04 install, and 11.10 enters into desktop mode during install - from there I can pretty much only reboot, system is unresponsive [10:05] pamposzek: for clean xubu install? [10:06] yea, I tried many times - deleting partitions etc [10:06] pamposzek, have you tried the alternate discs? [10:06] pamposzek: some hdd error? [10:06] well, I don't know what type of error [10:06] but I installed ubuntu 9.10 without problems [10:06] pamposzek: check the hdd for errors. [10:06] and updating now [10:10] I can' get to disks.. Not Authorized: Remote Exception invoking org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Authority.CheckAuthorization() on /org/freedesktop/PolicyKit1/Authority at name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1: org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: Action org.freedesktop.devicekit.disks.filesystem-mount-system-internal is not registered [10:14] !triggers > ChanServ [10:14] !triggers > chelz [10:14] !help > chelz [10:14] chelz, please see my private message [10:25] anyone running 12.04 beta 1? [10:28] someone in #ubuntu+1 will be I bet [10:28] Is that the testing room? [10:31] yep [10:31] I should look this stuff up . [10:31] Topic for #ubuntu+1 is: Discussion and support for Precise Pangolin [10:31] Yeah, I'm in there now. [10:44] hi, how do i set thunar to be the default file manager? im using ubuntu 11.04 with xfce as a window manager [10:44] also, i dont seem to have any bar at the top which has file, tools, help etc [10:45] *at the top of any of my windows [10:48] WhereIsMySpoon, do you have a panel bar at all? Maybe got set for "Automatically show and hide?" [10:49] ronsonol, i have a top bar as in it has the icon top left which gives you menu options [10:49] but for applications i dont have file, edit, view, help [10:49] etc [10:51] ronsonol, i also now cannot seem to log out :S [10:51] ah nvm that [10:52] for some reason gnome-panel was on top of my xfce panel [10:52] and the logout from gnome-panel didnt work [10:52] Heh. [10:52] argh [10:52] wtf [10:52] ronsonol, how do i stop gnome-panel taking over my top bar [10:52] i dont want it [10:52] I've never encountered that. [10:53] the only way to get rid of it is to spam "killall gnome-panel" [10:53] until it stops appearing [10:53] Sounds like a config file needs blown away. [10:53] mm [10:53] anyhow [10:53] disregarding that [10:53] Wish I could tellya offhand which one. [10:54] ronsonol, how do i get thunar to be my default file manager [10:54] and how do i get my file/view/edit/tools/help menus back for applications [10:57] Thunar should be the default file manager. What are you getting instead? [10:57] nautilus [10:57] im using ubuntu 11.04 [10:57] just with xfce as a window manager [10:59] I don't think nautilus is ordinarily installed. [11:00] Did you get it by way of a dependency or something? [11:00] ronsonol, i had ubuntu installed on here before [11:00] and was using that [11:00] using gnome3 [11:00] i just hated gnome3/unity [11:00] so i switched to xfce [11:01] im still using 11.04 [11:01] Yeah, I can relate to that. [11:01] just with xfce as a window manager [11:01] i guess i could just uninstall nautilus? [11:01] see what happens [11:03] it'll complain rather a lot I expect [11:03] why, it has thunar [11:03] nautilus does more than be a file manager [11:03] i see [11:03] Yeah, it's the default for xfce. [11:04] >.< [11:04] well how do i get thunar to be default [11:04] the issue you've got I think is nautilus trying to deal with the desktop as well as xfce doing it [11:05] i see [11:05] how do i fix it hobgoblin ^^ [11:05] "This monitor ain't big enough for two desktop environments." [11:05] lol [11:05] trying to find something I read a while back WhereIsMySpoon - being interrupted by an ill kid ... [11:06] okay, thanks :) aww, hope he/she gets well soon ^^ [11:06] :p me too ... [11:09] WhereIsMySpoon, are you positioned to do erase/reinstall? It isn't that big a deal. I've done about a half dozen recently. [11:10] ugh [11:10] id rather not [11:10] On multiple machines, that is. [11:10] i dont have anything special on the comp [11:10] but its just a hassle [11:10] if you wanted to installl xubuntu and remove ubuntu it should be fairly simple [11:10] Is /home mounted on a separate partition? [11:10] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager#Script_to_change_Thunar_to_be_the_default_file_manager [11:11] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager [11:11] aww beat me [11:11] :p [11:11] how do i find out ronsonol [11:11] that might help - but ubuntu is diiferent with unity than before - no idea what draws what anymore [11:11] df -h should say in a hurry. [11:11] no [11:12] just /dev/sda1 [11:12] then i have 4 "none"s [11:13] nones are system stuff. [11:14] just looked over stuff [11:14] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager#Changing_Your_Default_File_Manager [11:14] that and [11:14] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager#Changing_the_System-wide_Default_File_Manager [11:15] are both short and fairly simple [11:15] xfe.desktop for example [11:15] second one should do [11:16] just need the .desktop file for thunar [11:16] might already be there [11:17] that will deal with making it the default filemanager - not so sure it will deal with the window menu bar [11:17] chelz what do i put in thunar.desktop [11:17] just the [11:17] inode/directory=thunar.desktop [11:17] x-directory/normal=thunar.desktop [11:17] ? [11:19] chelz, hobgoblin will i need to restart to apply changes? [11:20] hang on - might have found something useful [11:21] ok i found what to put in the thunar.desktop [11:22] i also found exo-preferred-applications [11:22] which seems to just change it with a menu click [11:22] but none of these changes seem to be applied off the bat [11:22] this 'might' help - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10866851&postcount=3 [11:23] for the desktop issue - the change default might need a logout/in or reboot - no real idea [11:23] hm looks useful [11:23] ill try it [11:23] lunchtime now :3 [11:23] thanks both [11:23] but personally if it was me I would be installing xubuntu-desktop and then using the pschocat xfce page to remove gnome [11:23] welcome - have a good lunch === well_laid_grass is now known as well_laid_lawn [12:04] hobgoblin, when i restarted it just stayed on the blue screen which says KUbuntu in the middle with 5 dots underneath it..you know how to make it shutdown/restart properly? [12:05] and hobgoblin i already have xubuntu-desktop [12:05] what is pschocat xfce page [12:08] !purexfce [12:08] If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce » [12:08] yea i just found it :D thanks though! [12:08] i still seem to have nautilus as the default file manager :( [12:09] wow lol almost a gig will be freed [12:09] nice [12:16] man [12:16] ubuntu sure does put a load of crap on your system [12:18] bazhang, should i execute all 4 of the commands here?: [12:18] http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfcenatty [12:20] hobgoblin? [12:30] hello WhereIsMySpoon [12:31] WhereIsMySpoon: no - if you had ubuntu installed use the ubuntu one etc [12:31] ok [12:32] BUT [12:33] if for instance there was something you specifically wanted you'd need to reinstall that - another but being that it would be better to do that from a terminal using the no recommends option [12:34] I installed alacarte here to fiddle with menu's for instance - sudo apt-get install alacarte --no-recommends stops too much being added with it [12:35] hobgoblin, yea i had to reinstall a couple things including java [12:36] hobgoblin, why does netbeans say it cant find the java home? [12:36] i put JAVA_HOME back in .bashrc [12:36] exported it and added it to PATH [12:36] absolutely no idea [12:36] made new terminal [12:36] bah [12:36] java is always a pain in the ass [12:36] yep - perhaps purge and reinstall it [12:37] i just did [12:37] java was inunstalled [12:37] with all of the rest of the stuf [12:37] f [12:39] I only ever need the icedtea stuff as I don't have a need for all the other java gubbins [12:40] i do ^^ [12:41] ... [12:41] hobgoblin, why the elipsis? [12:42] just a sort of I understand wish I could help [12:42] haha no worries :) [12:42] you've helped a lot already [12:42] :) [12:42] it seems a lot faster already [12:43] for some reason when you go beyond 10-15 applications (be it terminal windows/file browsers or whatever) in gnome 3 it slows down hugely [12:43] I do try - xubuntu is quite new to me (1 year) so I sit here and pick up what I can - other stuff I've read or know about so can help :) [12:43] doesnt seem to be the case here [12:43] I ran away quite quickly from unity/gnomeshell 3 [12:44] gnome 2 was fairly good [12:45] unity is fckin awful [12:45] :p [12:45] mind the language [12:45] i did :) [12:45] if thats still not acceptable, then sorry :) [12:45] no, actually you didn't, but nevermind [12:46] unity is bloomin' awful [12:46] better? :D [12:48] WhereIsMySpoon: just need to bear in mind that little one's might be about - like my daughter looking over my shoulder ;) [12:48] yea i guess [12:48] i did mean it when i said sorry [12:48] :) [12:48] :) [12:48] I understand :) [12:48] hobgoblin, whats the standard "microsoft word" equivalent on xfce [12:49] as it uninstalled openoffice [12:49] but getting back to sorting the java thing - you'll have to hang about [12:49] did it not reinstall libreoffice? [12:50] WhereIsMySpoon: libreoffice-writer [12:50] no [12:50] it didnt [12:51] sudo apt-get install libreoffice-writer [12:51] yea [12:51] or look in synaptic [12:51] just ahead of ya ;) [12:52] :) [13:05] argh [13:05] hobgoblin, now devices arent detected on usb0, usb1 etc [13:05] do i need to reinstall some drivesr? [13:05] drivers [13:07] oh dear - no real idea I'm afraid - the only problems I ever really get are during dev phase. Shouldn't need a driver - but you can check with lsusb to see what is being seen [13:08] hobgoblin, it is detected with lsusb [13:08] it just isnt detected with ifconfig [13:08] as it should be [13:10] oh - wireless - then I'm really not going to be of much use, all I would say is check in settings - additional drivers - might well have been removed - if not and it's there and recognised - maybe remove so you can reinstall it [13:10] hobgoblin, is isnt wireless [13:10] its ethernet over usb [13:11] oh ok - see how much I know about ether/wireless lol [13:12] did it need a driver installing when you first installed ubuntu? [13:13] no [13:13] have you rebooted since doing the purexfce thing? [13:13] yes [13:13] I'd look in the logs as well - do you know where they are [13:14] dpkg logs? [13:14] in /var/log? [13:14] yea - syslog to start with [13:15] hobgoblin, ok now what [13:15] was it plugged in when you rebooted - if so have a look in dmesg [13:16] look for whatever lsusb showed in the logs [13:17] theres no lsusb in dmesg or syslog [13:17] kern/syslog/dmesg are the ones I would look in [13:18] WhereIsMySpoon: no - look for what it is recognised as by lsusb in the logs [13:18] ? i see it here when i type lsusb [13:18] Bus 006 Device 002: ID blah [13:19] WhereIsMySpoon: other thing you could do is unplug it, wait a few secs, plug it in and then look again at the logs [13:20] but I am not sure any of this is sreally going to be of much help - could be a case of the blind leading the blind [13:20] hm [13:20] for some reason its just started working [13:20] xD [13:21] its cause im looking at it :p [13:21] hi. i'm using disk encryption and while i was going to hybernate, i forced a shutdown. now when i log-in i cannot find any of my previous documents. any hints how to fix this screwed up issue? [13:21] excellent - my psychicether fix that connection power is working again then WhereIsMySpoon :) [13:21] XDD [13:22] Mahmoud: I don't and would not want to start trying if it was encrypted - hang around and wait for someone to see it [13:22] i can see ~/ stuff, but ls ~/Documents is empty [13:23] but i lost my themes and app customizations [13:25] well it would be empty I suspect given what you did - I would expect it's still there - you just need to fix what you did - I don't use encryption so don't know much about it though [13:26] didn't do anything. just improper shutdown while the laptop was hybernating [13:29] well - you did that ;) as I said if someone can help they will [13:29] win 2 [13:29] heh [13:35] Mahmoud, might want to ask in #ubuntu as well [13:35] and/or make a question on stackoverflow [13:35] WhereIsMySpoon: did, no hope. [13:35] a guy on gentoo told me that i'm screwed. [13:35] try on stackoverflow [13:36] its really good there [13:36] as in the website [13:36] it's hard to make bugmenot work for SO [13:36] ? [13:36] whats that, Mahmoud [13:37] nvm, i was just too lazy to ask in stack overflow (SO) [13:37] ah i see [13:37] well its good service ther [13:37] e [13:37] er, you should ask in askubuntu.com [13:37] its a branch of SO [13:40] hey my scanner was reconized before now it isn't? [13:40] what happend? [13:41] ubuntu AI [13:42] justakill, tried the usual turning it off/on and replugging it etc? [13:43] WhereIsMySpoon yea [13:43] i did [13:43] it works fine in windows [13:43] well its reconized [13:43] justakill, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1574107 [13:43] try that [13:44] justakill, i assume you also tried rebooting your own pc? [13:45] i dont mean to sound stupid or make you look the same but so many peripheral problems are solved by either turning them or your pc off and on again because some driver or system program has got stuck [13:45] yea [13:45] kk [13:45] no i always do the standard moves [13:45] okay :) [13:46] lol [13:46] i'm looking though the article [13:46] its giving me some usefull commands [13:46] cool :) [13:51] hobgoblin, you're an ubuntu dev? [13:51] nope - just a user :) [13:52] whats the difference between me using ubuntu and you being a "user"? [13:54] WhereIsMySpoon: none at all :) but a dev I'm not - closest I ever got to programming was hello world [13:54] haha ok :) [13:54] how come, hobgoblin? decided programming wasnt for you? [13:55] too long in the tooth perhaps - never got interested enough to learn - but this is probably best in offtopic if you want to chat :) [13:55] yea sorry :) [13:56] nah im working :) dont wanna be caught up in offtopic stuff ^^ [13:56] lol [14:19] hi -- i fixed my problem [14:20] i did ls ~ and found that i have two directories of every lost directory [14:20] i.e. two directories with same exact names [14:20] when i was doing "ls", it was readin ghte empty new one. and once i delete it, ls "" listed the real one [14:21] it's weird. but this is how it worked... although i still have no idea why would i have two directories with the same name [14:49] Hello everybody. I know there is an xfce equivallent of gconf-editor. Does anybody know by any change? [14:50] xfce4-settings-editor [14:50] Great! Thanks, TheSheep! That's the one :) [14:51] Where can I find this kind of information? I tried searching the internet but couldn't find it. [14:53] pjotter, google [14:53] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1574107 [14:53] i typed in "xfce gconf equivalent" [14:55] that'll be the usb scanner thread and a bit confusing I suspect :) [14:56] WhereIsMySpoon: Hmmm... I don't use Google too much. But you're right, in Google it shows up fairly quick. [14:57] oops [14:57] sorry pjotter [14:57] http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6791 [14:57]