[00:00] !info ktorrent [00:00] ktorrent (source: ktorrent): BitTorrent client based on the KDE platform. In component main, is optional. Version 4.1.1-2ubuntu5 (oneiric), package size 986 kB, installed size 4028 kB [00:00] I guess its in squeeze-backports? [00:00] ktorrent is in the repos, why are you backporting it [00:00] uberdub: squeeze is for debian, not ubuntu [00:00] uberdub: are you using debian or ubuntu [00:00] ktorrent4 is not in the repos [00:00] ktorrent3 is [00:01] uberdub: 4.1.1 is in the repo [00:01] uberdub: as the info command just showed you [00:01] uberdub: are you using ubuntu or debian ? [00:01] ubuntu 10.04 [00:01] uberdub: why are you looking at squeeze repos then ? [00:02] because thats all a google search turned up for "libktorrent-dev" [00:02] was a debian repo [00:02] but surly common sense would kick in "I'm using ubuntu, not debian, I must not use debian repos" [00:03] I just need the file [00:03] the .deb [00:03] preferrably [00:03] for what ? [00:03] if thats even the issue [00:03] ktorrent4 [00:03] why do you want a deb file [00:03] why not the package from the repo ? [00:03] did you read above? [00:03] which part ? [00:04] ktorrent4 is not in the repos [00:04] why do you want ktorrent 4 ? [00:04] Im showing 3.3.4 [00:04] yes, in lucid [00:04] magnet links [00:04] I didn't know you where using lucid until you just said [00:04] magnet links are not supported in ktorrent 3? [00:04] this is the output http://pastebin.com/zzgSyb0v [00:04] nope [00:04] not until 4 [00:05] according to ktorrent.org [00:05] its giving me a cmake error about a config file [00:05] yes, I can see it in the wiki link [00:05] uberdub: have you looked in the backports repo ? [00:05] no [00:06] that would be the first place I'd look, see if ktorrent is back ported [00:06] how add the backport to the file? [00:06] just add it from the repos menu [00:06] repos menu in synptic? [00:07] you're using synaptic in kde ?? [00:08] yeah, why not? [00:08] it's normally a gnome app, as it's gtk based [00:08] yeah [00:09] I need gtk for a few other things [00:09] well, you just need to enable that repo [00:09] prefer kde to gnome for a de [00:09] but a few gnome apps I like [00:09] well, my suggestion is to enable backports (although I don't like doing it) and see if ktorrent is back ported [00:10] still comes up as 3.3.4 [00:10] have you looked inthe back ports repo ? [00:11] what do you mean "looked" into the backports repo? [00:11] Ive enabled backports [00:11] still shows ktorrent3 [00:11] uberdub: enabled the backport repo, updated the package manager and searched for ktorrent [00:11] which is why ive been compiling it from source [00:11] yes [00:12] Ill do it with apt-get for good measure [00:12] ok, then my next suggestion would be to enable the Kde kubuntu PPA [00:12] again, not something I recommend normally, but it would be the next step [00:12] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa [00:13] it's maintained by the kubuntu development team, so it's one of the better ppa's so lower risk === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine_ === JackyAlcine_ is now known as jalcine [00:15] enable it in softwae sources? [00:15] read the info on the page about how to enable it [00:18] I hope they have ktorrent4 in there [00:20] still shows 3.3.4 [00:21] and now I need to remove that ppa [00:25] ktorrent isnt even listed in their "overview of published packages" [00:26] anyone want to actually take a stab at the cmake error? === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine_ [00:34] cant find a .deb for lucid, would maverick suffice? [00:37] guess not, getting a dependency error, and i have rhe dep [00:50] If I have 3 hard drives in my system, one of which is an SSD, and I have installed Kbuntu to that SSD; How can I put my home directory on another drive. The SSD is 128 gig and I'd rather have my apps (games and other stuff) on a platter drive. [00:53] Wow I either ask an impossible question or, umm i'm not connected? [00:54] well thanks for the help LOL, bye [00:56] got it added to repos. Thanks for the goose chase. Next time if you cant answer the specific question dont bother. Shoulda been on freenode any way. === emma is now known as em === webjadmin is now known as JackyAlcine_ === JackyAlcine_ is now known as webjadmin === webjadmin is now known as jalcine === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine_ === JackyAlcine_ is now known as jalcine === Shaka is now known as Kurozuka [03:20] map of kde users: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=206578397069667369090.0004ba9deed0dff19786f&msa=0&ll=28.304381,6.679688&spn=130.509252,346.289063 [03:20] don't forget to put yourself on it! [03:20] we can have fun with the kml file in marble :) [03:22] Hello everyone [03:22] can somebody help me with a PHP problem, or name me the IRC channel where I can ask? [03:24] I have written this php file: http://paste.kde.org/434624/ [03:25] now the problem is: It seems I cannot open files witch has the character ´ in it :( [03:26] in the name I meant [03:26] files with ' are no problem [03:28] i have 10.04 on my netbook (dell mini 1010); how do i make the webcam work? does it work by default and i just have to find it, or is there a driver i should download? [03:29] there is a package 'extra drivers' [03:29] most of them are closed source [03:30] sorry: additional drivers [03:32] hmmm, Iḿ not sure if you'ĺl find the correct driver there [03:32] but try please [03:32] what webcam you have? [03:33] its the internal camera in the netbook - not sure of the model [03:33] okay, what is the type number of your netbook? [03:33] dell mini 1010 [03:33] if thats what you mean :P [03:34] jipp [03:39] hmmm, dell site sais its a 1.3MP cam [03:39] but no type or serial nr [03:39] if you know the exact type you can look for drivers :) [03:40] in the menu of KDE I have a program called: additional drivers [03:41] when you klick on that, [03:41] you cannot download any drivers for your webcam? [03:41] lemme check [03:41] :) [03:43] im not finding anything called 'additional drivers'. i have 'hardware drivers', but all that has are the wireless card drivers [03:43] menu > applications > system [03:44] nope [03:45] hmmm, I have default install [03:45] and in search, nothing too? [03:45] what version? [03:45] latest of kubuntu [03:45] hello everybody [03:47] im running 10.04 (havent been able to get 11.10 working on the netbook) [03:47] yeap. 10.04 => best [03:48] except when you want your integrated webcam to work, apparently :P [03:48] ^_^ [03:51] Anyone in here, has intgrate gvim with dolphin? [03:52] @ yud: how do you mean? [04:01] ok [04:52] the map of kde users is now editable, i had forgotten to enable this earlier [04:53] http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=206578397069667369090.0004ba9deed0dff19786f&msa=0&ll=28.304381,6.679688&spn=130.509252,346.289063 [04:53] i'm planning on using the kml file generated inside marble at a kde booth in the coming weeks [05:00] ybit: I just added me and my wife to that map. :-) [05:17] ybit: did you make this map? === fred_ is now known as Guest92757 [05:18] fred [05:18] fred [05:19] this pisses me off. im fucking fred damn it [05:21] "/topic" [05:21] Guest92757, no cursing here [05:31] [05:32] [05:32] [06:44] hi [06:44] lo [06:44] why kde-config-gtk is kept back? [06:48] excognac: Not sure of the specifics, but if you did sudo apt-get upgrade you may have to do dist-upgrade instead of upgrade. [06:50] nafg_: ty. cactually why packages are kept back? [06:51] excognac: I only know what it says in man apt-get. [06:52] ok check it out [06:53] i mean i do it [07:19] hello [07:19] kwallet is bullshit [07:19] Hello all [07:19] i hate type password everytime i start my wifi connection [07:19] my external HDD light is still on even after I say eject from KDE (dolphin) [07:20] kwallet , go to hell [07:20] jameslord: make the password blank [07:20] i hate using wep ;( [07:20] or just turn off kwallet then [07:22] DebDisciple how to make that password blank? [07:25] Let me look [07:27] Do you have kwallet in the systray? [07:28] no [07:30] ok alt-F2 and pull up the kwallet manager [07:46] kwalletmanager [08:03] DebDisciple cannot set a blank password there [08:04] is there a freenode channel for help using wine? [08:05] does anyone know how to configure wine to run might and magic VII? === adrian is now known as Guest66066 === chalced is now known as chalcedony === af_ is now known as Guest42358 [09:59] Hi! Anybody using kubuntu 12.4 and can do me a favor? [10:00] * jhoechtl365 bug haunting [10:00] jhoechtl365: try asking in #ubuntu+1 [10:01] Tm_T: people@ubuntu+1 using KDE? [10:01] will try ... [10:02] jhoechtl365: if it's KDE bug, you might ask it on #kde or #kubuntu-devel [10:03] Tm_T, OKTKX === john___ is now known as jhoechtl365_1 === john___ is now known as jhoechtl365_1 [13:10] 'Morning all === roman is now known as Guest77577 === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine_ [14:07] O.O === JackyAlcine_ is now known as jalcine === jason is now known as Guest14133 === nixmaniack is now known as n1x [14:21] hey, what's the future of kubuntu/kde in ubuntu now, where the main developer isn't paid anymore by canonical? any plans/anouncements yet? [14:23] menace: save as xubuntu and the other *ubuntus, it will be community supported [14:23] s/save/same ^^ === jalcine_ is now known as JackyAlcine_ === JackyAlcine_ is now known as webjadmin === webjadmin is now known as JackyAlcine === JackyAlcine is now known as jalcine_ === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [14:28] Error 5: dependency not met: gawk not found in path [14:28] sysinfo === nick_ is now known as Guest99099 [14:32] Привет всем! А есть русскоязычный чат [14:32] !ru [14:32] Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. === Guest99099 is now known as NickKrastev [14:34] James147: yeah, but there are "more" supported ones and less... [14:34] :D [14:35] #ubuntu-ru [14:35] !ru [14:35] Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. === vivek is now known as Guest24242 [14:47] hi ppl [14:48] how can I make the system tray widget smaller? It occludes the whole panel (taskbar and clock) everytime I put it there. === Guest24242 is now known as pvivek [14:51] Ondro: unfortinutly widget sizes in the panel are mostly auto calculated, though they should have sensable sizes... could you post a screen shot of what yours is doing wrong? [14:54] here is the screen shot: http://i.imgur.com/k8AE3.png [14:55] system tray takes almost all the panel, even though there is also task manager and digital clock added (which do not show up because of it) [14:56] the clock does not show up if its on the right side of the system tray [14:56] Ondro: add a spacer widget to take up the extra space [14:56] (should be below the add widget button on the panel settings [14:57] Ondro: though the clock not showing sounds like a bug ^^ [14:58] I will try.. but with the default panel, there was no spacer (if you mean those grey things), and it worked OK, so there must be a way how to do it without the spacers [14:59] Ondro: the default panel has a taskmanager, which takes up the extra space [14:59] Ondro: without that you need a spacer or another widget that is greedy for space [15:02] but thats the point - I have the task manager added to the panel in the screenshot. it just wont show up if I also add the system tray (no matter how many programs which should be in the task manager I have opened) [15:02] Ondro: where? I dont see it [15:03] Ondro: if you want a default panel, then remove the panel, right click the deaktop > add panel > default panel [15:04] see this screenshot: [15:04] http://i.imgur.com/8n8h2.png [15:05] task manager is flagged, so it is added into the panel [15:05] Ondro: What happens if you remove the systray? [15:07] then the task manager works. [15:08] Ondro: and if you add the systary back it breaks? [15:08] yes [15:09] Ondro: what happens if you remove the taskmanager and add it back (or remove the panel and add a new default one?) [15:09] I have added default panel, and the same thing happens - no task manager (as long as there is systray). [15:09] Ondro: Does a new user have the same behaviour? [15:14] guest user account is working properly [15:19] hello, which repository could i use to get a newer version of oxygen-gtk? i'm already using the kubuntu ppa but my package gtk2-engines-oxygen is out of date [15:20] Ondro: you can reset plasma to its default settings (and should correct the problem) by (re)moving ~/.kde/share/config/plasm* [15:24] will I lose my other panels if I do that? [15:24] ipodpz, which versions are you running ? [15:24] BluesKaj: i'm running http://i.imgur.com/ao7tF.png and it's creating a bug for gtk applications (such as banshee), like described there for opensuse: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732887 [15:24] bugzilla.novell.com bug 732887 in KDE4 Applications "banshee crashes on startup in KDE when oxygen-gtk style (the default) is used" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [15:26] ipodpz, looks up to date ..I [15:26] I have the same versions and I'm on 12.04 === vivek is now known as Guest98591 [15:43] Hi mates [15:44] пишу sudo apt-get install unetbootin а оно в ответ Не удалось найти пакет unetbootin [15:45] dom_, /join #ubuntu-ru [15:45] dom_, this is english only [15:45] Looks like my router has crashed. This has froce me to connect my kubuntu computer and my win7 computer directly to my switch. Now they cannot find each other on samba. I know for a fact 2 win computers finds each other fine with a switch, so it feels there should be a way to make it work [15:53] Larre, what kind of switch ? [15:54] It came with my ISP. PacketFront DRG231 [15:58] so the router doesn't have a modem , Larre , try, sudo service networking restart , in the terminal === root is now known as Guest31112 === david is now known as Guest54322 === ocs is now known as faLUCE [16:29] hello people [16:29] hi hi [16:29] i'm looking for a mirror for kubuntu 12.04 beta other than cdimage.ubuntu.com [16:30] osuosl [16:30] kernel.org [16:30] mirrorservice.org [16:30] all of them give the beta only for ubuntu and not for kubuntu :-( [16:30] is this also because of canonical withdrawing commercial support of kubuntu? [16:30] :-( [16:30] no [16:31] only impact the withdrawal has in terms of support is that you cannot buy the support from Canonical [16:32] then why are there no mirrors for kubuntu 12.04 beta 1? [16:32] cdimage is quite slow for me [16:32] i mean why are there no mirrors for kubuntu when there are avilaable for ubuntu? === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine_ [16:35] samjnaa: http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/dvd/current/ [16:36] ...well, browse around there [16:36] hey i kjust got it too [16:36] :-) [16:36] good to see [16:37] its up to those who mirror the images to get the images I believe [16:39] ok thanks for your help bye === JackyAlcine_ is now known as jalcine [16:52] hello, I've noticed something weird: my firefox looks like if I were using gnome, thick buttons etc. Why is that? [16:54] moin [16:57] excognac, check you gtk settings in system settings > application appearanbce [17:03] BluesKaj: set as oxygen-gtk [17:04] hi, i am looking to try out this ubuntu one stuff. i have signed up for an account at the ubuntuone website. not i guess i need sosem sort of software running on my computer. do you guys one of one that integrades nicely into the kde desktop? [17:04] nope [17:05] its possible to get the gnome one running on kde, i did it a few years ago [17:06] giantpune: install ubuntuone-client [17:07] maco: YOu can install gnome-shell [17:07] why would you want to? [17:07] vibhav: how random that was [17:07] the whole reason i started with kde is gnome shell and unity [17:08] giantpune: for a few weeks a year or two ago there was a kde client for U1, made by a student during Summer of Code. then the server api changed without warning right after that was released and... [17:08] hate it when that happens [17:08] Tm_T: 22:35 < maco> its possible to get the gnome one running on kde, i did it a few years ago [17:09] vibhav: yes, ubuntu one client [17:09] vibhav: i dont understand what installing gnome-shell has to do with the gnome version of the ubuntu one client running on kde [17:09] oh [17:09] anyone using ubuntu one on kubuntu [17:09] maco: Never Mind [17:09] giantpune: ubuntuone client running in background does the job just fine [17:09] kugblenu: I do [17:09] vibhav: see pm [17:10] am actually new to everything linux has to offer [17:10] its good to see that ubuntuone-client no longer requires installing Nautilus (the gnome equivalent for dolphin) [17:10] ok, i got it installed. do i need to do anything to get the service up and running? ie restart the computer ala bill gates [17:10] giantpune: no need to restart anything [17:10] sweet [17:10] giantpune: you need to launch the client app once, and login [17:10] giantpune: with desktop app stuff, at most on linux you log out and log in again [17:11] giantpune: after that, the folder you set being synced is synced [17:11] but that's it [17:11] Tm_T: does that have a menu entry or is it run some daemon in cli? [17:12] under the settings menu i got "ubuntu one" [17:12] maco: it does place the required .desktop files automatically, yeah, gnome stuff running in background later on [17:12] atleast this is my experience with it [17:12] giantpune: settings menu? [17:13] in the main dke start menu thingy i have one that says settings. and in that menu i have "ubuntu one" [17:16] the gui is the best === serserar is now known as Guest85085 [17:16] kugblenu: hm? [17:17] its my second time in the irc and am a little lost [17:17] fuuuuuuuuuuuuu. even the ubuntu one gui is littered with twitter and facebook icons [17:18] kugblenu: you're doing mostly fine, I'm just unsure what you're trying to say (: [17:18] giantpune: language, please [17:18] sorry [17:19] am new to ubuntu environment but want to get acquainted quickly and settle in fast [17:19] ?de [17:23] kugblenu: Please use nick : instead of , is used while quoting [17:23] vibhav: thanks [17:23] !de | Fanfare [17:23] Fanfare: In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis! [17:23] kugblenu: to make it easier, if you start typing the first few letters of someone's nick then hit tab, most clients will autocomplete it [17:24] kugblenu: so for you, i typed ku [17:24] maco: mine does the same [17:24] bazhang: thx [17:26] Tm_T: what is usually discussed here? [17:27] kugblenu: Help regarding Kubuntu [17:28] vibhav: its a great os. am now familiarising with it and already i love it [17:28] Nice to hear that [17:30] vibhav: i suppose you're an expert [17:30] kugblenu: he just left [17:31] and you don't need to think that you need a certain expert here, usually there's several people being able to help if they're just available (: [17:31] kugblenu: Expert or no, all are welcome to contribute here. [17:31] ^ [17:32] Tm_T: that's encouraging cos i know everything about nothing [17:34] kugblenu: That's how we all started. === vivek is now known as Guest65638 [17:35] DarthFrog: what makes kde and gnome different? [17:36] kugblenu: Philosophically or in practice? === Guest65638 is now known as pvivek [17:36] DarthFrog: both if possible [17:37] (in short) they are completely separately developed sets of software, and have different design and usability practices/guidelines [17:38] kugblenu: I find KDE much more enabling, GNOME much more limiting. [17:39] best thing to do is try both and see which you like best, choice and all that :) [17:39] But either of them work as a desktop environment and you can run the others apps in either environment. [17:39] DarthFrog: i want to contribute to kde in some way. is there anything i need to know? === isaiah_ is now known as Guest63922 [17:39] kugblenu: Well, knowing KDE wouldn't hurt. :-) [17:39] kugblenu: depends what part of KDE you want to help with [17:39] programming/graphic design/documentation/translation etc [17:40] am interested in coding(still a big fat amateur at it) [17:41] what would be the proper place to report troubles with kde themes? [17:41] kugblenu: if you want to help with coding in KDE, you will want to learn (in order) C++, Qt (http://qt.nokia.com/), and then the KDE API [17:41] kugblenu: Then perhaps start by coding some small app or utility of your own that uses the KDE API. [17:41] hyper_ch: probably the author, if it's not a built-in theme [17:42] tsimpson: it's a built in theme.... I just notice that all gnome apps have tooltips with a dark background and black font... hence tooltips in gnome apps with the air theme are barely readable [17:42] hyper_ch: gtk is not picking the text colour? [17:42] DarthFrog: where can i have access to the KDE API [17:43] kugblenu: the KDE API is documented at http://api.kde.org/ [17:43] kugblenu: www.kde.org will have all you want. [17:43] Tm_T: well, in the kde tool tips the text colour is white [17:43] Tm_T: but in gnome apps its black [17:43] and the background is equally dark on both [17:43] hyper_ch: sounds like a bug in gtk theme to me [17:44] Tm_T: I noticed that behavious in thunderbird, chromium, libreoffice-gnome [17:44] Tm_T: what gtk theme? [17:44] I don't know what gtk theme you're using [17:44] Tm_T: I don't use any... I use KDE with Air theme [17:45] DarthFrog: what about the 'konsole' [17:45] kugblenu: In what sense? I love Konsole and use it extensively. [17:46] the only command i know currently is 'ls -al' [17:46] !cli [17:46] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal or type in it: man intro [17:46] kugblenu: the link above should get you started [17:47] tsimpson: super [17:47] setting up your system to develop applications usually requires some command-line knowledge, but there are graphical ways to go about it too [17:48] kugblenu: The console is where the real power is in Linux. The GUI/Desktop environment is fine for user-level apps (web browsing, email, IRC, etc) but to truly understand and control the system, having familiarity and comfort at the command line is where it's at. [17:49] kugblenu: If you master use of the command line, you too can be the man behind the curtain. :-) [17:49] Tm_T: there used to be an option in systemsettings to change gtk style but that is gone it seems [17:49] so, default kubuntu install leads to dark tooltips background with black font - unreadable tooltips for gtk apps [17:49] DarthFrog: got the documentation on konsole. i just used the sudo su === creges is now known as carluchox [17:50] kugblenu: use "sudo -i" to get a root shell, rather than "sudo su". also, you really don't need to be root to do software development (unless you want to install the software system-wide) [17:50] hola [17:50] kugblenu: The best advice I can give you is when you are running as root (which you are after "sudo su") is to sit on your hands *before* pressing the Enter key. [17:51] Also, what tsimpson just said. [17:51] DarthFrog: can i destroy my machine? [17:52] hyper_ch: does "System Settings -> Application Appearance -> GTK+ Appearance" not exist? [17:52] kugblenu: you can damage the installation, sure. the golden rule is "toot is a powerful thing, only use it when you need to" [17:52] You can right royally screw your system up in many and varied ways. Yes, we've all done it. Those who haven't are lying. :-) [17:52] tsimpson: oh.... I was looking at workspace appearance :) === PasNox_ is now known as PasNox [17:53] hyper_ch: yeah, I looked there first too, but I remembered seeing it somewhere [17:53] kugblenu: But don't be afraid of screwing somthing up. You'll learn the most by solving problems. And you can always re-install. [17:54] DarthFrog: right man. is it just me or is the user interface out of this world!! [17:54] Just make sure your data (i.e. your home directory) is backed up. Putting it on a separate partition of its own is a very good practice. [17:54] before you run any command (especially as root), make sure you understand exactly what that command is doing [17:55] tsimpson: default is oxygen-gtk... when I switch to Raleigh then tooltips become readable but icons in TB are ugly [17:55] kugblenu: We all like and enjoy the KDE user interface. Perhaps we're a bit more jaded than you. :-) [17:55] kugblenu: What tsimpson just said is the reason you sit on your hands. It's your final opportunity to do so. [17:56] DarthFrog: i really respect and admire the makers. my dream is to join them [17:56] tsimpson: thx for the help [17:56] but still, by default it's bad when you have black and almost black as tooltip [17:56] kugblenu: Well, get stuck in, then. The KDE devs are always wanting new talent. [17:57] hyper_ch: I would say that you should file the bug against gtk2-engines-oxygen or kubuntu-default-settings then [17:58] tsimpson: kubuntu or kde? [17:58] DarthFrog: am smooth with python. should my next stop be C or C++? [17:58] kugblenu: GNOME is C, KDE is C++. [17:59] hyper_ch: first on launchpad, let the devs look into it a little before deciding if it should be sent upstream [17:59] tsimpson: ok :) [17:59] kugblenu: C++ should be relatively easy to pick up if you know python already, both are object orientated (though Python is a little more object orientated than C++) [18:00] tsimpson: I hate launchpad.... it's so unintiuitive [18:00] and, obviously, Python is interpreted (by the python interpreter), where as C++ is compiled [18:00] hyper_ch: this is why they created the "ubuntu-bug" tool ;) [18:00] DarthFrog: is c knowledge not needed to enable you enter C++? [18:00] kugblenu: I'm not a programmer, can't answer that question. [18:00] kugblenu: learn C++, not C. they are related but are used in completely different ways [18:00] tsimpson: btw, 12.04 crashes apps all the time [18:00] learning C first will only give you bad habits [18:01] tsimpson: unfortunately i need C for school so i'll inevitably learn it. so C++ it is [18:02] hyper_ch: I tend to stick with stable for my main OS, with a chroot or VM for the latest dev release. saves me headaches [18:02] tsimpson: it's not headache... just various crashes all the time :).... what's the name of the debug tool? [18:02]