[01:15] <Theaxer> hello, I think I have run into a bug but I need a little help in making sure I report it in the right place
[02:18] <hspcd> Hi - hoping to get some help determining which package is causing an issue that I filed a bug report on
[02:25] <Rcart> hspcd: what's the problem?
[02:26] <hspcd> Filed a bug on Launchpad earlier today.  After undocking my HP notebook it will fail to suspend and hard lock.  I filed the bug without a package.
[02:26] <hspcd> pm-utils could be to blame but since hardware is involved (removing the dock) it could be kernel.
[02:26] <hspcd> Any thoughts?
[02:27] <hspcd> I want to make sure I've specified the right package for the bug ticket
[02:30] <hspcd> rcart: here's a link to the bug I filed http://bit.ly/zmK72c
[02:34] <Rcart> hspcd: did you see /var/log/syslog? It may clarify things
[02:35] <Rcart> btw, you could write "bug #" to use the bot here (:
[02:36] <Rcart> bug 948485
[02:36] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 948485 in pm-utils "Suspend after undocking laptop doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948485
[02:38] <hspcd> Rcart: I'll repro again tomorrow at work and see if I can get more details.
[02:38] <hspcd> Rcart: Nifty thing to be able to reference the bug here
[02:38] <hspcd> Rcart: Thanks for your time
[02:38] <Rcart> hspcd: Greate. I'd filed against the kernel, but take a closer look to logs (;
[02:39] <Rcart> you're welcome and thanks for reporting that bug
[03:55] <psusi> micahg, it's actually a request to *reverse* a feature
[04:26] <micahg> psusi: to reverse a change or to create an option to override
[04:27] <micahg> and it's not clear that was a clear desire to not have such an option
[08:41] <veger> Could someone set the importance of bug #619395 to wishlist, as this is a feature request?
[08:41] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 619395 in kdepim "kmail: text mails should be displayed with a monospace font by default" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619395
[09:07] <brendand> veger, done
[09:09] <veger> brendand: thank you
[13:21] <veger> bug #619395 is a feature request (which is silly IMHO, but I tried to nuance this opinion in my response). Furthermore, I responded that it should be reported upstream. Is this the correct way to go, or should I do 'other things' with/to the report?
[13:21] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 619395 in kdepim "kmail: text mails should be displayed with a monospace font by default" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619395
[13:23] <veger> should there be a 'vote' for feature requests?
[13:34] <roignac_> veger, a bug triager will report this upstream and will link this issue with upstream one
[13:34] <roignac_> btw you can send issue upstream by yourself
[13:35] <roignac_> votes: launchpad doesn't have one, instead a 'bug heat' is used
[13:35] <veger> roignac_: I know I can send it upstream, but I hope the OP will do so, since it is his request, so he'll be better able to 'defend' it, if required
[13:36] <veger> I have send some report upstream, that I was not really supporting, and noticed it is 'hard' to give it the proper defence
[13:37] <veger> so for the 'vote' nothing needs to be done? Just hope (for the OP) that the heat of the report will go up?
[13:45] <roignac_> veger: heat does up on affected users mostly, see https://dev.launchpad.net/Bugs/BugHeat
[13:46] <roignac_> and it is always a good idea to help bug OP or triager by sending the bug upstream
[13:48] <veger> ok, I'll soon send an upstream report (I'll wait whether the OP will send one, to prevent duplicates)
[13:48] <veger> thank you for helping out
[13:49] <roignac_> np
[14:47] <veger> I believe bug #619395 is Traiged, could someone check and set the status if I am not mistaken?
[14:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 619395 in kdepim "kmail: text mails should be displayed with a monospace font by default" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619395
[17:48] <pabelanger> Boo, getting Hash Sum mismatch from the ubuntu mirror I am using
[18:01] <mfisch> is the bug control meeting now or can I not do time zone math
[18:01] <mfisch> ah there it is
[18:36] <mfisch> bdmurray: can we repsond to a bug control app with a simple +1?
[18:37] <hggdh> mfisch: if the application has nothing to be commented on, yes
[18:37] <bdmurray> mfisch: we could but consider the work the application put into their application.  I think the right thing to do is say a bit more.
[18:37] <mfisch> bdmurray: understood
[18:37] <hggdh> bdmurray: I agree
[18:37] <mfisch> I actually wanted to discuss a bug in his app here
[18:37] <bdmurray> which one?
[18:38] <mfisch> bug 927358
[18:38] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 927358 in icedtea-web "Geogebra package doesn't install" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/927358
[18:38] <mfisch> let me load it up
[18:39] <mfisch> vadim said "high" since the app won't even install
[18:40] <mfisch> are all "broken deps, wont install" bugs high?  even for universe, non-essential apps?  The importance table implies yes, I think
[18:41] <bdmurray> "Prevents the application or any dependencies from functioning correctly at all"
[18:41] <mfisch> yep
[18:41] <bdmurray> so High is correct
[18:42] <hggdh> the 'High' applies to the package; then we have to look at the Ubuntu as a whole.
[18:42] <bdmurray> mfisch: was there more to it then that?
[18:43] <mfisch> bdmurray: no.  what hggdh said is true thoug
[18:43] <mfisch> Its High to the package, but as a whole Ubuntu may not really care too much, for some packages
[18:44] <hggdh> well, actually, in this case, it could impact all users of java-under-browser
[18:44] <bdmurray> right one thing that needs clarification / updating is that (in my opinion) importance is for the package and release task / milestones are for importance within ubuntu as a whole
[18:44] <bdmurray> the Bugs/Importance page doesn't make this clear
[18:44] <mfisch> hggdh: right, my example was hypothetical that ubuntu as a whole "doesn't care too much"
[18:45] <mfisch> while we're discussing Importance, why is "network card" marked as non-essential hardware?
[18:46] <hggdh> IDK. Nowadays I think it should be considered a critical piece of the computer. bdmurray?
[18:46] <hggdh> of old it was not
[18:46] <bdmurray> I seem to recall it was because it was replacable
[18:47] <bdmurray> so perhaps clarifying between pci network card / laptop built in network card would help
[18:47] <mfisch> bdmurray: that disctinction is there
[18:48] <mfisch> bdmurray: dont most modern desktops have built-in networking?
[18:48] <mfisch> why don't we say "replacable network card" - Medium, "built-in networking" - High
[18:49] <hggdh> there is also a difference between hardware issues on the NIC versus driver issues
[18:49] <bdmurray> ah right haven't been desktop shopping in a while
[18:49] <mfisch> bdmurray: pretty much only graphics, if that, is a separate card
[18:49] <bdmurray> mfisch: that works for me
[18:49] <mfisch> okay, modifying now
[18:49] <hggdh> cool
[18:55] <bdmurray> where bugs with the unity dash belong?
[18:57] <hggdh> unity itself?
[18:57] <bdmurray> that was my thought but I'm not positive its correct
[19:00] <bdmurray> I was wondering if there is something more specific is all
[19:00] <hggdh> bdmurray: Daekdroom | hggdh, unity, unless it's specific to a lens/scope.
[19:02] <bdmurray> hggdh: thanks, gonna update the dash package bug report guidelines. ;-)
[19:20] <blackbug> I want to know if i have raised a bug and now i am facing some crashing issues( where ubuntu itself ask for sending the information to ubuntu server ). Now if i want to add this information to my raised bug also, is there any way to do so?
[20:11] <bkerensa> Can Bug #894112 be wishlisted please
[20:11] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 894112 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu "Precise Pangolin - Please include ubuntuforums.org in the slideshow" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/894112
[20:31] <bdmurray> bkerensa: done
[20:31] <bkerensa> thanks
[21:21] <Rcart> I think this bug 947643 is complete to be triaged. It has a really good description and procedure to reproduce it
[21:21] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 947643 in pidgin "In Precise, Pidgin creates a second icon in the launcher when opened by dash or HUD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947643
[21:37] <bdmurray> Rcart: did you test with unity-2d or 3d?
[21:37] <Rcart> 2d
[21:38] <bdmurray> Rcart: and do you have an idea of the importance that it should have?
[21:39] <Rcart> I does not break the app functionality
[21:40] <Rcart> I think it should be wishlist
[21:41] <Rcart> Upps, seems like is a Low importance
[21:41] <bdmurray> Rcart: okay, set to triaged an low.  thanks
[22:03] <Rcart> bdmurray: would you please take a look at bug 947551
[22:03] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 947551 in mpd "Missing apport hook" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947551
[22:06] <bdmurray> Rcart: ah, neat.  thanks for doing that
[22:10] <Rcart> I'd would like to work on a branch to include it, but got a problem getting it: bug 947451
[22:10] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 947451 in udd "apport branch OUT-OF-DATE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947451
[22:19] <bdmurray> Rcart: apport package hooks are included in the source package of the software the hook is for
[22:19] <bdmurray> Rcart: so in this case that would be mpd
[22:27] <Rcart> bdmurray: In the source package, where the script should go?
[22:29] <bdmurray> Rcart: for most packages they are in the debian directory
[22:30] <Rcart> bdmurray: Great. Working on ...
[22:35] <bdmurray> cyphermox: around?
[22:35] <cyphermox> bdmurray: yes
[22:37] <bdmurray> so I was using powertop and read about setting wol to d via ethtool which seemed like a good idea to save power however when I set 'ethernet-wol d' in my /etc/network/interfaces file things didn't go so well
[22:37] <bdmurray> cyphermox: so I'm wondering what the "right" way to do this is
[22:39] <cyphermox> bdmurray: well, is the interface otherwise configured in /etc/network/interfaces normally?
[22:39] <cyphermox> there isn't really another way that I know of
[22:39] <cyphermox> perhaps setting it with ethtool in /etc/rc.local?
[22:39] <bdmurray> cyphermox: no, but if I add information about the interface there won't it become unmanaged?
[22:40] <cyphermox> bdmurray: indeed, it will