| SpamapS | jdstrand: for the dh_apparmor bugs .. to make packages easier to no-change backport, can one | debhelper (<< 9.20120115ubuntu3) ? | 00:06 |
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| infinity | SpamapS: Don't see why not. | 00:08 |
| ScottK | Just don't try it in Debian. | 00:09 |
| SpamapS | ScottK: in Debian I'm thinking the packaging needs some revisiting so we can get in sync w/ Ubuntu. | 00:10 |
| SpamapS | Hrm.. gcc-4.5 wasn't in lucid .. I wonder if I should just punt the no-change idea. | 00:10 |
| ScottK | OK. I don't know your specifics, but alternate build-depends aren't supported on Debian. | 00:10 |
| jdstrand | SpamapS: I don't see any problems with that. makes syncing with Debian harder as mentioned | 00:13 |
| SpamapS | jdstrand: yeah I just found 3 other things that make it hard to build w/o changes on lucid.. not really worried about any of the others so I'm dropping the idea. ;) | 00:13 |
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| jdstrand | heh | 00:14 |
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| Laney | iulian: I don't know. I've tried a few patches but it's just fail after fail, and the builds take about 10 hours. | 00:40 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: what do you think about bug 226780? should it be won't fix or fixed? | 00:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 226780 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt-key net-update does not obey APT::Acquire::http::Proxy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/226780 | 00:42 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: I think it should be fixed | 00:47 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: okay, the fix should really be in apt-key though not the cronjob like in the patch. correct? | 00:48 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: ah, hadn't looked at the patch... yes, I think apt-key itself should respect the setting | 00:49 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: apt-key is a shell script that already calls apt-config for lots of settings, it should pick the proxy out as well | 00:49 |
| lcc | I'm getting occasional kernel panics with 12.04. I've never had any kernel panics with 11.10. | 00:55 |
| SpamapS | lcc: you may want to join #ubuntu+1 , as that is frequented by quite a few beta testers | 00:57 |
| SpamapS | lcc: while this channel is just for discussion fo development itself | 00:57 |
| lcc | oh ok | 00:57 |
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| smoser | slangasek, you around ? | 02:16 |
| smoser | you able to take a quick sniff of bug 948461 | 02:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 948461 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt-get hashsum/size mismatch due caused by swapped local file names" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948461 | 02:16 |
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| lerop | anyone willing to write me a fully selinux script for 11.10 it can be python if thats easier and be willing to do it for $25 | 03:02 |
| lerop | as selinux as can be | 03:02 |
| ScottK | Heh. | 03:08 |
| ScottK | For $25 I'd type #!/usr/bin/python. | 03:08 |
| StevenK | zsh: no such file or directory: /usr/bin/python. | 03:09 |
| StevenK | :-P | 03:09 |
| * ScottK didn't say it'd do anything. | 03:09 | |
| StevenK | You also didn't say where you'd type it | 03:10 |
| ScottK | That too. | 03:10 |
| ScottK | But what to you expect for $25. | 03:10 |
| ScottK | (even US or Canadian, he may have meant Australian) | 03:11 |
| lerop | i can type that with my pinky toe | 03:11 |
| elky | My pinkie toe can send you an artistic interpretation of a selinux script for $25. I take non-refundable payment in advance. | 03:12 |
| Gaming4JC | I don't suppose any nice developer could get this moving along? :) | 03:18 |
| Gaming4JC | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/821100/ | 03:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 821100 in ia32-libs (Ubuntu Natty) "ia32-libs does not install /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 03:18 |
| Gaming4JC | I really need ia32libs with libGL on natty for a project I'm working on | 03:18 |
| Gaming4JC | and sadly it doesn't exist :/ | 03:18 |
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| slangasek | smoser: I'm entirely failing to understand the thesis statement of this bug | 03:38 |
| slangasek | smoser: the claim is that *apt* is saving the files to the wrong filenames after downloading them? I have a hard time believing that's been happening since hardy and someone's just noticed it now | 03:39 |
| smoser | i have your same thoughts. | 03:40 |
| smoser | you do understand the thesis statement. | 03:40 |
| slangasek | hmm | 03:40 |
| smoser | http://paste.ubuntu.com/872478/ | 03:40 |
| smoser | that kind of shows the failure. | 03:40 |
| smoser | (and i just updated the bug with a comment) | 03:41 |
| smoser | note, in that pastebin at the end, i download the libpolkit-agent-1-0_0.104-1_amd64.deb via wget | 03:41 |
| smoser | and md5sum it | 03:41 |
| smoser | in the wget output, the md5sum matches that of the 'apt-get' download of libxcb-util0_0.3.8-2_amd64.deb | 03:41 |
| smoser | slangasek, so i'm trying to reproduce with more traditional mirrors. | 03:42 |
| smoser | but believing that S3 is serving incorrect file content, is only moderately more difficult than to believe that apt is $*#@ing up itself. | 03:42 |
| smoser | as both are involved in huge amounts of gets per day | 03:42 |
| * slangasek nods | 03:43 | |
| slangasek | so wget returns the correct file where apt-get returns the wrong one/ | 03:43 |
| lifeless | one thing that can look the same | 03:43 |
| lifeless | is truncated content | 03:43 |
| lifeless | if you have a non-TE stream and no content-length header, HTTP cannot tell the difference between internet fail and EOF | 03:44 |
| slangasek | lifeless: this doesn't appear to be a case of truncation; the objects are just plain swapped on the filesystem after download | 03:44 |
| slangasek | clean md5sum... belonging to the wrong file | 03:45 |
| lifeless | kk | 03:45 |
| lifeless | was just putting it out there :) | 03:45 |
| slangasek | smoser: is it reproducible with a single package download (e.g., apt-get install thing-with-no-depends)? or does it only go wrong when downloading multiple files with the same http process? | 03:46 |
| smoser | lifeless, its not truncated content. | 03:47 |
| smoser | dpkg -I shows info on the deb downloaded | 03:47 |
| smoser | slangasek, i'm going to test now, just runnig wget in a loop | 03:47 |
| smoser | on that file that had bad content | 03:47 |
| smoser | and wget ... checksum ... wget ... | 03:47 |
| smoser | see if i can take apt out completely | 03:47 |
| slangasek | smoser: see if it's reproducible with Acquire::http::Pipeline-Depth=0 | 03:55 |
| slangasek | (cf. apt.conf(5)) | 03:55 |
| smoser | slangasek, k. let me test this wget in a loop for a while first. | 03:56 |
| psusi | lifeless, huh? connection failure will result in a connection reset, not a clean close... | 03:59 |
| lifeless | psusi: and yes wget curl etc all have displayed this in the past | 04:00 |
| psusi | lifeless, you mean they return a zero exit status when they get a connection reset instead of eof? | 04:01 |
| psusi | I could have sworn that wget was smart enough to detect that and try to reconnect and resume the download... | 04:01 |
| lifeless | psusi: it may be nowadays, my HTTP mental model is a melange of 16 years encounters ;) | 04:08 |
| smoser | slangasek, so.. some info. | 04:12 |
| smoser | http://paste.ubuntu.com/872513/ | 04:12 |
| smoser | doesn't seem to fail. (just repeated wget). | 04:12 |
| smoser | http://paste.ubuntu.com/872514/ | 04:13 |
| smoser | doesnt seem to fail (it has your Pipeline-Depth) | 04:13 |
| smoser | but a simple removing of that Pipeline-Depth seems to give failure. | 04:13 |
| lifeless | http pipelining ? Terrible idea :(. (poorly supported, and a microoptimisation that encourages serious security issues and bugs) | 04:30 |
| lifeless | channels are much better, which spdy and AFAICT all the other HTTP 2.x candidates offer | 04:30 |
| smoser | and apparently default behavior in apt | 04:30 |
| smoser | :) | 04:30 |
| lifeless | smoser: I argued against this on debian-devel. | 04:30 |
| smoser | lifeless, then i blame you | 04:30 |
| lifeless | Apparently upstream cache developers don't know enough. | 04:30 |
| smoser | for not winning that argument | 04:30 |
| smoser | :) | 04:30 |
| smoser | http://kb.cloudopt.com/index.php/Known_Problem:_HTTP_Pipelining_Fails_with_BucketExplorer | 04:32 |
| smoser | well this royally sucks. | 04:33 |
| lifeless | http://old.nabble.com/APT-do-not-work-with-Squid-as-a-proxy-because-of-pipelining-default-td28579596.html | 04:34 |
| smoser | lifeless, thanks. | 04:44 |
| smoser | i'm headed to bed, but anyones thoughts (slangasek) on what we could do about this issue would be greatly apprecited. | 04:44 |
| smoser | ie, we want to put these S3 mirrrors in place , and this would block that. | 04:45 |
| smoser | and this default seems present back to hardy | 04:45 |
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| TheMuso | Is it just me, or is firefox segfaulting on startup after latest updates? | 05:29 |
| pitti | Good morning | 05:47 |
| scientes | what does the ubuntu live-cd installer use to make a new partition label? | 06:27 |
| SpamapS | probably gparted, but I'm just guessing | 06:28 |
| scientes | you mean parted | 06:28 |
| scientes | which gparted is a front-end to | 06:28 |
| scientes | cause if you have a iso9660 live cd on the sd card, and then try partitioning it, grub-install fails cause it still detects the iso9660 file system even though there is a msdos partition table | 06:29 |
| scientes | so i am about to write the patch that zeros out the rest of the header in the msdos partition lable | 06:29 |
| scientes | if it detects a iso9660 image already there | 06:30 |
| scientes | instead of just writing the bare minimum | 06:30 |
| scientes | there is a small gap that grub is using that i guss isn't zeroed | 06:30 |
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| ritz | Is it possible to locally build a package for oneiric from bzr branch on precise, using buildeb plugin ? | 07:27 |
| micahg | ritz: with sbuild or pbuilder, sure | 07:28 |
| * ritz checks sbuild | 07:28 | |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:06 |
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| rickspencer3 | hey pitti, close to a beer this morning! | 08:37 |
| pitti | not sure what's wrong with the meta-kde packages | 08:38 |
| micahg | pitti: kde4libs was uploaded w/out the rest of the stack | 08:39 |
| micahg | oh, rather, meta-kde was uploaded without the rest of the stack save kde4libs :) | 08:40 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, micahg well, it looks like the rest of the archives, including armhf are in good shape now for multiple days in a row | 08:43 |
| rickspencer3 | this has to be a good thing for developers | 08:43 |
| pitti | yes, indeed | 08:43 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 08:43 |
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| seb128 | slangasek, hey | 09:42 |
| seb128 | slangasek, did you get anywhere with that gconf upgrade bug? | 09:42 |
| seb128 | it's flooding my bug emails box :p | 09:42 |
| tjaalton | i synced a package with syncpackage, but it's not processed yet unlike the other upload I just did | 09:46 |
| tjaalton | is the process different there? | 09:46 |
| pitti | tjaalton: it's source NEW, and thus in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=0 | 09:52 |
| tjaalton | pitti: oh right, it got split from arduino.. | 09:53 |
| tjaalton | @pilot in | 09:53 |
| === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Precise Beta-1 Released. Archive: open | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | build failures -> http://bit.ly/xmGdCW | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> oneiric | #ubuntu-app-devel for app development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: tjaalton, sconklin | ||
| * dholbach hugs tjaalton and sconklin | 09:55 | |
| sladen | who synced 'tzdata' ~3 hours ago? | 09:58 |
| micahg | sladen: pitti did, why? | 09:58 |
| sladen | pitti: it appears to be resetting the timezone on package install | 09:58 |
| pitti | reset how? | 09:59 |
| pitti | works fine here | 09:59 |
| pitti | $ cat /etc/timezone | 09:59 |
| pitti | Europe/Berlin | 09:59 |
| sladen | $ cat /etc/timezone | 09:59 |
| sladen | Africa/Bamako | 09:59 |
| sladen | filed as bug #948809 | 09:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 948809 in tzdata (Ubuntu) "tzdata says "Current default time zone: 'Africa/Bamako' during package install; previously was 'Europe/London' during OS install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948809 | 09:59 |
| sladen | whether that's because Europe/London is sometimes the same as UTC | 10:00 |
| pitti | slangasek: could you please add the output of "grep -A3 '^Name:.*tzdata' /var/cache/debconf/config.dat" ? | 10:01 |
| pitti | argh, sladen ^ | 10:01 |
| pitti | slangasek: please ignore me | 10:01 |
| micahg | tjaalton: seamonkey-browser is now a transitional package, can you fix your upload to enhance seamonkey? | 10:03 |
| sladen | pitti: added. The two interesting Value: lines are "Berlin" and "UTC" | 10:03 |
| tjaalton | micahg: sure | 10:03 |
| pitti | there's no packaging change in latest tzdata, so it must be a bug that's lurking for ages already | 10:03 |
| sladen | yikes. it's changed it in indicator-timedate too | 10:04 |
| pitti | slangasek: no "london" at all, hmm | 10:04 |
| pitti | sladen: I take it you don't know what /etc/timezone said before the upgrade | 10:04 |
| sladen | pitti: would have been 'Europe/London' | 10:05 |
| sladen | pitti: would it be worth patching the package in the short term to at least dump the previous value, before the logic takes place | 10:05 |
| pitti | we could, but here we are pretty sure about the previous value | 10:06 |
| micahg | tjaalton: thanks | 10:12 |
| tjaalton | anyone opposed to the change proposed here https://code.launchpad.net/~blkperl/ubuntu/precise/plymouth/fix_blank_screen/+merge/95817 | 10:14 |
| tjaalton | it's true that on servers you get a blank screen on startup | 10:14 |
| tjaalton | tested that it works | 10:16 |
| tjaalton | huh, not a single plymouth upload in precise | 10:20 |
| tjaalton | guess it's stable then ;) | 10:20 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, you know how it goes: "you upload it, you maintain it" | 10:20 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, nobody wants to maintain it ;-) | 10:21 |
| RAOF | Broken on hybrid graphics in some circumstances, sadly. | 10:21 |
| tjaalton | seb128: yeah, I'll just ack the change then :) | 10:21 |
| tjaalton | uh, cryptsetup is 1,5y old | 10:49 |
| tjaalton | last merge in november 2010 | 10:50 |
| dupondje | tjaalton: indeed, thats why I prepared a merge for it | 11:30 |
| dupondje | :) | 11:30 |
| Daviey | infinity: Are you going to be looking at bug 759545? | 11:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 759545 in grub2 (Ubuntu Precise) "user prompted to update unmodified grub configuration during Ubuntu server upgrade" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759545 | 11:31 |
| Daviey | cjwatson: noticed biosdevname bugs starting to appear, bug 948559 and bug 948546, for example | 11:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 948559 in vlan (Ubuntu) "eth* NIC names hardcoded" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948559 | 11:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 948546 in bridge-utils (Ubuntu) "eth* device names hardcoded in debian/bridge-utils.sh" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948546 | 11:35 |
| jodh | Any French speakers interested in taking a look at bug 948884? rickspencer3 ? ;) | 11:37 |
| tjaalton | dupondje: yeah, acked, hopefully accepted too.. | 11:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 948884 in mbrola (Ubuntu) "mbrola is unable to pronounce the French word "les"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948884 | 11:37 |
| dupondje | lets hope so :) | 11:37 |
| dupondje | there is also TRIM support in the new version | 11:37 |
| cjwatson | Daviey: thanks | 11:41 |
| roignac_ | hi all! I'm trying to propose a merge for lp:~ubuntu-desktop/nautilus/debian | 11:46 |
| roignac_ | but lp keeps switching me to lp:nautilus | 11:46 |
| roignac_ | is there any way to avoid this redirect? | 11:46 |
| roignac_ | Or should I abandon all hope and send patches instead of branches? | 11:47 |
| dupondje | tjaalton: who could push it ? :) | 11:47 |
| seb128 | roignac_, hey, how do you propose the merge? did you branch of lp:~ubuntu-desktop/nautilus/debian ? | 11:47 |
| seb128 | roignac_, it should use the parent branch... | 11:48 |
| tjaalton | dupondje: someone of the release team needs to ack it | 11:48 |
| roignac_ | seb128: I branched lp:~ubuntu-desktop/nautilus/ubuntu | 11:49 |
| seb128 | roignac_, on https://code.launchpad.net/~roignac/ubuntu/precise/nautilus/bug_32542_save_search_as_button/+register-merge | 11:49 |
| seb128 | roignac_, select other and type ~ubuntu-desktop/nautilus/ubuntu | 11:49 |
| seb128 | that should work? | 11:49 |
| roignac_ | seb128: target branch is specified as lp:ubuntu/nautilus =/ | 11:50 |
| seb128 | roignac_, right, but you can pick "other" and type ~ubuntu-desktop/nautilus/ubuntu no? | 11:50 |
| roignac_ | seb128: i tried this, but LP keeps redirecting to lp:nautilus | 11:51 |
| seb128 | roignac_, ask on #launchpad I guess | 11:51 |
| roignac_ | ok, thanks | 11:51 |
| roignac_ | seb128: thanks, #launchpad guys did help | 12:00 |
| seb128 | roignac_, what was the issue? | 12:00 |
| roignac_ | Though they also wondered why does ~ubuntu-desktop uses lp:~ubuntu-desktop/nautilus, but not lp:~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/nautilus branches for packaging | 12:01 |
| dupondje | cjwatson: could you check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/776264 for me ? :) | 12:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 776264 in cryptsetup (Ubuntu) "FFe: Please merge cryptsetup 2:1.4.1-2 (main) from debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 12:01 |
| roignac_ | seb128: I've created a branch in /ubuntu (following the tutorial), but the destination branch was in /nautilus | 12:01 |
| seb128 | seems like a launchpad bug | 12:02 |
| seb128 | it shouldn't stop on namespace and let you overwrite the destination | 12:02 |
| roignac_ | nope, this is a little problem with packaging branch. If a newbie like me strictly follows tutorial at Bugs/HowToFix one will branch lp:ubuntu/nautilus | 12:04 |
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| roignac_ | sorry, will branch ~ubuntu-desktop branch and will push it to lp:~username/ubuntu/nautilus | 12:05 |
| cjwatson | dupondje: I'd rather not, I don't know cryptsetup at all well | 12:05 |
| dupondje | ok no problem | 12:05 |
| roignac_ | seb128: so he won't be able to merge with lp:~ubuntu/nautilus | 12:05 |
| roignac_ | sorry for spam, everybody | 12:06 |
| seb128 | roignac_, sorry that the workflow is not consistent | 12:06 |
| seb128 | roignac_, we don't use the udd way for desktop for several reasons | 12:06 |
| seb128 | roignac_, that's part of the issue | 12:06 |
| roignac_ | I see, so attaching patches is easier and much safer | 12:07 |
| dupondje | maby we should add 'last time merged (days ago)' to the MoM? Cause I guess some more packages are really out-of-date | 12:14 |
| cjwatson | https://bugs.launchpad.net/merge-o-matic/+bug/881487 | 12:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 881487 in Merge-o-Matic "need to be able to see how long it's been since the package was last merged" [Undecided,New] | 12:15 |
| dupondje | hehe :D | 12:15 |
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| cjwatson | Daviey: OK, fixed both of those now | 12:25 |
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| Daviey | cjwatson: Oh, i wasn't prodding you to fix them! Just a FYI | 12:31 |
| ritz | gtk+3.0 build fails from source on precise, with ./.libs/libgtk-3.so: undefined reference to `ubuntu_menu_proxy_insert' | 12:46 |
| ritz | https://pastebin.canonical.com/61799/ | 12:46 |
| ritz | what am I missing here ? | 12:46 |
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| seb128 | ritz, no it doesn't | 12:51 |
| ritz | seb128, hmmm, the is a bzr branch lp:ubuntu/gtk+3.0, over which I ran configure with the stated option | 12:52 |
| seb128 | ritz, what version did you try to build and how? | 12:52 |
| seb128 | ritz, did you apply the patches in debian/patches? | 12:52 |
| ritz | I did nothing, just branch and ran configure | 12:53 |
| seb128 | ritz, those are packaging branches, they are made to build packages not to be built like a trunk | 12:53 |
| seb128 | i.e debian/rules has usually the correct recipies to build | 12:54 |
| seb128 | which include i.e applying the distro patches | 12:54 |
| infinity | Daviey: Yes. I think I'll look harder at it today. | 12:54 |
| ritz | interesting, was not aware of this | 12:54 |
| seb128 | ritz, well you can of course build it like a trunk, you just need to figure what the packaging is doing and you are not, could be that forgot to apply patches or forgot ldflags or build options | 12:54 |
| ritz | cool, thanks | 12:56 |
| sconklin | @pilot out | 12:59 |
| === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Precise Beta-1 Released. Archive: open | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | build failures -> http://bit.ly/xmGdCW | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> oneiric | #ubuntu-app-devel for app development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: tjaalton | ||
| ritz | seb128, where does ubuntu store "trunk" , or ubuntu requires patches for most packages ( like gtk/indicator) ? | 13:00 |
| seb128 | ritz, define trunk | 13:00 |
| seb128 | ritz, the packacing is usually upstream trunk with build rules and distro patches | 13:00 |
| seb128 | well upstream "trunk" -> "tarballs" | 13:00 |
| ritz | hmmm, fair enough | 13:01 |
| ritz | so, debian/rules will enable the ubuntu specific build/patches | 13:01 |
| ritz | seb128, Thanks, build fine now | 13:06 |
| ritz | me-- | 13:06 |
| infinity | ritz: Yes. In general, something like "debuild -b" will give you what you want. | 13:06 |
| Daviey | infinity: thanks! | 13:09 |
| ritz | hmm, interesting. | 13:09 |
| ritz | infinity, thanks :) | 13:10 |
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| Q-FUNK | would anyone happen to know where the keyring password for ubuntu-dev-tools e.g. synpackage is stored? I would need to change it. | 13:41 |
| infinity | Q-FUNK: https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+oauth-tokens | 13:47 |
| infinity | Q-FUNK: And revoke? | 13:47 |
| Q-FUNK | infinity: I meant that password that is asked in the shell whenever I run 'syncpackage' | 13:49 |
| infinity | Oh. I don't think I've ever been asked for a password... | 13:49 |
| Q-FUNK | not the access rights granted to applications to play with LP on my behalf :) | 13:51 |
| infinity | It doesn't need any other passwords... Except possibly GPG passphrases for --no-lp use. | 13:52 |
| pitti | Riddell: do you know what changed yesterday to cause http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/precise_probs.html ? | 13:52 |
| ScottK | pitti: Without looking, I'll guess we started uploading KDE 4.8.1. | 13:53 |
| Q-FUNK | infinity: here, it asks for a password | 13:53 |
| infinity | Sure looks that way. | 13:53 |
| geser | Q-FUNK: if you're running GNOME then it's in your gnome keyring (similar if you use KDE) | 13:53 |
| ScottK | pitti: That's it. It should get sorted today. | 13:53 |
| Q-FUNK | geser: stored under which key name? | 13:54 |
| pitti | ScottK: thahnks | 13:54 |
| pitti | ScottK: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt now has a large armada of stuff that wants to go to universe; are these really all obsolete, or is that just temporary? | 13:55 |
| infinity | pitti: Probably worth completely ignoring archive reports about anything vaguely KDE-related until the transition's done. It's always bumpy. :/ | 13:56 |
| pitti | ack | 13:56 |
| ScottK | pitti: I'd be very surprised if it's not temporary. | 13:56 |
| geser | Q-FUNK: good question, never had to look it up yet how in detail python-launchpadlib stores the password; perhaps ask in #launchpad | 13:57 |
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| tjaalton | are cross-architecture depends/recommends allowed yet? | 14:04 |
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| infinity | tjaalton: Only if it's never going to happen on a buildd. | 14:16 |
| dupondje | pitti: about cryptsetup merge, how you want to test it exactly? root disk completely encrypted with LUKS or ? | 14:17 |
| infinity | tjaalton: See, eg: ia32-libs (on amd64), which depends on ia32-libs-multiarch (which only exists on i386) | 14:17 |
| pitti | dupondje: yes, something like that; the alternate install supports this schema | 14:17 |
| dupondje | so just a precise daily install and then upgrade | 14:17 |
| dupondje | i'll fix :D | 14:17 |
| pitti | dupondje: usually it's raw disk <- cryptsetup partion <- LVM <- root/home etc.; and then a separate /boot | 14:18 |
| infinity | tjaalton: Buildds, however, are intentionally not multiarch-aware, to keep the architectures self-contained, so no pulling of such tricks on anything that might be a build-dep of.. Anything. | 14:18 |
| ScottK | stgraber: What would be an example of a social membership that the DMB would process? | 14:18 |
| pitti | dupondje: thanks, much appreciated! | 14:18 |
| tjaalton | infinity: right, this is for !buildd | 14:19 |
| infinity | tjaalton: Then yeah, it can be done, and we've been doing it since oneiric (see the above example) | 14:20 |
| infinity | tjaalton: flashplugin-nonfree works similarly. | 14:20 |
| stgraber | ScottK: an existing coredev who isn't a direct member of MOTU and who's been spending a lot of time helping people in #ubuntu-motu or helped with universe QA or similar activities and who wants to be a MOTU has they feel they're part of that effort (vs just wanting the upload rights that they already have anyway) | 14:20 |
| tjaalton | infinity: right, of course. just double-checking :) | 14:20 |
| ScottK | stgraber: OK. That makes complete sense. It wasn't so clear from the wiki entry. You might add an example ... | 14:21 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 14:21 |
| infinity | tjaalton: There are upgrade concerns to watch for. flashplugin-nonfree and ia32-libs both introduced new-named packages to make sure that upgrades did sane things. | 14:22 |
| infinity | tjaalton: (As in, if you just drop the amd64 version of a package, and expect apt to magically upgrade it to i386, that might end badly for you) | 14:22 |
| infinity | tjaalton: In those cases, we kept the old package names in place, but made them transitional packages that depended on a new i386-only package. | 14:23 |
| tjaalton | infinity: hmm actually I'm thinking if it was possible for a package to declare a relationship like "Depends: foo:i386 [amd64]", but now I realize how that'd not be that useful on debian :) | 14:23 |
| infinity | tjaalton: That's not doable, no. | 14:24 |
| infinity | tjaalton: The tricks we pull are based on transitive dependency backfill, I guess is a good way to put it. As in, we make sure the package only exists on one arch in the first place. | 14:24 |
| infinity | And then depend on it. | 14:24 |
| infinity | "Depends: foo:arch" isn't allowed. | 14:25 |
| infinity | (Though people pulling dirty tricks like we have might be proof that we should revisit adding foo:arch deps) | 14:25 |
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| tjaalton | :) | 14:25 |
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| jamespage | please could someone poke the package importer to update the rabbitmq-server branch - its a bit out of date.. | 14:39 |
| ogra_ | infinity, what did you do last time to make alsa-lib build on x86 ? it failed again with the same cryptic error | 14:57 |
| ogra_ | ... | 14:57 |
| ogra_ | checking whether we are cross compiling... configure: error: in `/build/buildd/alsa-lib-1.0.25/bibuild': | 14:57 |
| ogra_ | configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. | 14:57 |
| ogra_ | ... | 14:57 |
| infinity | ogra_: Build it on palmer. I'll do it. | 15:02 |
| ogra_ | thx | 15:02 |
| infinity | Err, roseapple. | 15:03 |
| infinity | Whatever. | 15:03 |
| ogra_ | any idea what causes it ? | 15:03 |
| infinity | It's running amd64 code. :/ | 15:03 |
| ogra_ | ouch, k | 15:03 |
| infinity | It needs merging to fix that. | 15:03 |
| infinity | Some day. | 15:03 |
| infinity | Alright, I have to head out for a bit. | 15:05 |
| infinity | alsa-lib building. | 15:05 |
| smoser | hi, i have a question about debconf usage that i'd like to get some input on. | 15:05 |
| smoser | cloud-init has a couple debconf things that can be seeded, and a configuration format that supports config.d type behavior. | 15:05 |
| smoser | i'm considering allowing a debconf preseed value of "local-config" or something that would then largely just get dropped into cloud.cfg.d/99-local | 15:06 |
| smoser | the reason for this is that cloud-init preseeding is likely to be done by a machine. | 15:06 |
| smoser | so more friendly menus or such are not necessary, but i'd like to open up a very generic window to doing this without having the pre-seeder need a late_command script or something to populate that. | 15:07 |
| dupondje | pitti: I installed a precise system, upgraded cryptsetup. Now I rebooted and it works fine, but I get some delay @ booting, the error: error: no video mode activated | 15:11 |
| dupondje | but thats unrelated I guess ? | 15:11 |
| pitti | doesn't sound cryptsetup-ish | 15:11 |
| pitti | dupondje: did you get this with the previous cryptsetup, too? | 15:11 |
| jcastro | cyphermox: hey so the reason I said "12.10" for the BT audio mail is I don't know enough about it to know if it was a ood idea for 12.04 | 15:12 |
| jcastro | cyphermox: is it really that simple a fix though? I mean, there's a wireless device and audio involved, I was expecting mountains needing to be moved, etc. | 15:12 |
| cyphermox | jcastro: no, it's a simple two-line patch to enable this in bluez | 15:13 |
| jcastro | cyphermox: and the sound indicator has GUI support for this and all that? | 15:13 |
| cyphermox | there's still going to be the need for manual setup to reroute the streams to the right output device though | 15:13 |
| cyphermox | right, no it doesn't ;) | 15:14 |
| jcastro | oh ok, so we can at least suck less off the bat, that's good! | 15:14 |
| smoser | cjwatson, do you have thoughts on my debconf idea above ? or slangasek ? | 15:14 |
| smoser | (sorry for asking by name) | 15:14 |
| cyphermox | jcastro: right, this makes us suck less from the start | 15:15 |
| dupondje | hmz pitti Mar 7 16:09:09 ubuntu kernel: [ 15.858831] init: udev-fallback-graphics main process (773) terminated with status 1 | 15:15 |
| tjaalton | slangasek: I pushed a commit to plymouth and noticed it had two commits staged since september. mind checking if they should get in precise, and check the new one too :) | 15:15 |
| pitti | dupondje: is this with the current cryptsetup, or only with the updated one? if the latter, this needs to be investigated | 15:16 |
| dupondje | lets see if downgrade fixes it | 15:17 |
| dupondje | pitti: downgraded again, same issue. | 15:21 |
| pitti | dupondje: ok, thanks; so that confirms it's not due to that | 15:21 |
| cjwatson | smoser: not sure I really know cloud-init well enough to be able to comment usefully, TBH | 15:22 |
| smoser | well, generally, cjwatson i'm asking if it would be appropriate to have a debconf question like "local-config" | 15:23 |
| smoser | which woudl contain config-blob for the $GENERIC_PACKAGE | 15:23 |
| smoser | or if that is bad form for some reason or another | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | I have no idea, you'll find all sorts of examples in the archive probably :-) | 15:24 |
| smoser | (i assume i'm going to possibly need to be smart with new line hanling or something in the value of the string) | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | I don't see why late_command scripts are somehow evil though | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | it is explicitly not a design goal of debconf to let you configure every last possible scenario | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | but, if you want your package to have its own more targeted equivalent of late_command, *shrug* | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | just think about how it's going to handle upgrades | 15:25 |
| smoser | cjwatson, thank you for the feedback. | 15:26 |
| smoser | Daviey, ^ | 15:27 |
| slangasek | seb128: no, no progress on gconf yet :/ | 15:27 |
| smoser | my thought process there is, that rather than generally allowing configuration of one bit of cloud-init (for bug 924375), i'll just open up a big blob | 15:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 924375 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-init should allow pre-seeding of ec2 datasource:Ec2:metadata_urls" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924375 | 15:27 |
| Daviey | smoser: Yeah, late command of, "echo "http://foo/bar" > /etc/cloud-init.d/next-server , is pretty cheap | 15:34 |
| Daviey | cjwatson: debconf low, and default value should handle upgrades fine, no? | 15:34 |
| smoser | Daviey, right, but i see value in not requiring late_command (at least i think i do ) | 15:35 |
| cjwatson | Daviey: it sounds like it shouldn't even be asked at all | 15:35 |
| cjwatson | you don't actually need to db_input things ... | 15:36 |
| smoser | i'm good with not even asked at all if thats possible. | 15:36 |
| smoser | good enough for me. | 15:36 |
| smoser | is there a defined escaping mechanism for debconf values ? | 15:36 |
| mhall119 | mvo: ping (you know why) | 15:36 |
| smoser | (ie, to deal with '\n' or other potentially problematic things) | 15:37 |
| mvo | mhall119: *cough* I do! and no excuses from me this time let me look at the branch | 15:37 |
| cjwatson | debconf-escape(1) | 15:38 |
| Daviey | cjwatson: right, but i was thinking smoser might want people to be able to enter a value | 15:38 |
| cjwatson | I don't think that's generally the right answer for "giant blob" type things | 15:38 |
| cjwatson | preseed/late_command doesn't get asked | 15:38 |
| cjwatson | can't remember whether it would be a good idea to set the 'escape' capability in this circumstance; possibly not, but try either way :) | 15:39 |
| Daviey | Yes, so it really depends if smoser thinks users will want that question asked... if late_command on a debconf question is suitable | 15:39 |
| smoser | i dont think users would want the question asked. | 15:39 |
| smoser | i'm inserting it for machines. | 15:39 |
| Daviey | smoser: ok, then late_command is almost free :) | 15:39 |
| smoser | machine's whose only real interface is preseed | 15:40 |
| smoser | the issue with late_command is that it doesn't stack terribly easy | 15:40 |
| smoser | without some general infrastructure in place. | 15:40 |
| smoser | ie, if 3 things want to add late_command, something has to join them on ';' or something. | 15:41 |
| cjwatson | I don't have a problem as such with an extra specialised unasked question for this; this is totally up to packages | 15:41 |
| smoser | thanks, cjwatson . | 15:41 |
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| dupondje | cjwatson: some question about grub2. Getting "error: no video mode activated", could this be caused because it tries to read fonts from /usr/share/grub/ ? | 16:24 |
| tjaalton | doko: icedtea-netx-common is marked arch: all, but it builds a desktop file with the path to javaws with an arch dependent path. should the binary package be made arch: any, or the desktop file moved? | 16:24 |
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| doko | tjaalton, best to move to icedtea-netx, I'll do this for the final 1.2 packages. thanks | 16:26 |
| tjaalton | doko: ok, cool | 16:26 |
| tjaalton | also, looks like installing the package isn't enough to make the links load the app by default, instead firefox will try to "open" it which just results in an empty tab.. | 16:27 |
| tjaalton | .jnlp links I mean | 16:27 |
| tjaalton | this all to get my kid to do her homework ;) | 16:30 |
| blackbug | Hello, I have a question regarding the screenshot application in ubuntu. Which is the default application invoked with printscreen key? | 16:30 |
| tjaalton | blackbug: gnome-screenshot | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | dupondje: yeah, known problem when using cryptsetup, will be fixed with 2.00 | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | dupondje: best ignored for now :) | 16:32 |
| dupondje | 2.00 will get into precise? | 16:32 |
| blackbug | tjaalton: thanks, where i can find src code for it? | 16:32 |
| tjaalton | blackbug: apt-get source gnome-screenshot | 16:33 |
| dupondje | pitti: the error I got is grub2 related (tries to open files on /usr/share which is still crypted). Will you upload cryptsetup? or want me to comment the bug? | 16:33 |
| tjaalton | or bzr branch lp:ubuntu/gnome-screenshot | 16:33 |
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| tjaalton | ah, that doesn't work | 16:33 |
| blackbug | tjaalton: thanks i needed bazaar branch. | 16:33 |
| ScottK | apt-get source gnome-screenshot should work too | 16:35 |
| blackbug | yes, "bzr branch lp:ubuntu/gnome-screenshot" isnt working.. | 16:35 |
| tjaalton | @pilot out | 16:36 |
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| cjwatson | dupondje: no | 16:38 |
| cjwatson | dupondje: waaaaaaaaaaaay too many changes | 16:39 |
| blackbug | a naive question: i have just started exploring ubuntu apps source code, in case I make some changes, how should i test it? should i compile/build whole code on my machine and replace install new binaries.. or any other test enviornment method or way | 16:39 |
| dupondje | cjwatson: héhéh :) no workaround that can be made for that issue? cause now there is some delay ... :) | 16:39 |
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| cjwatson | dupondje: no, sorry | 16:42 |
| cjwatson | dupondje: at least not one I consider safe for precise | 16:42 |
| cjwatson | I'd rather have stable-and-slow than unknown-and-fast | 16:42 |
| cjwatson | at least for non-default scenarios like cryptsetup | 16:42 |
| dupondje | cjwatson: ok no big issue indeed :) | 16:44 |
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| * seb128 closes another set of duplicates of bug #948294 and look at slangasek | 17:18 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 948294 in gconf (Ubuntu) "package gconf2 3.2.3-3ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 250" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948294 | 17:18 |
| slangasek | yes | 17:18 |
| seb128 | slangasek, I think bug #948457 and bug #948296 are yours as well | 17:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 948457 in gconf (Ubuntu) "package gconf2 3.2.3-3ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 127" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948457 | 17:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 948296 in gconf (Ubuntu) "gconftool-2 crashed with SIGABRT in g_test_log()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948296 | 17:19 |
| seb128 | slangasek, could be the same underlining issue | 17:19 |
| slangasek | if they're new symptoms, I guess so | 17:19 |
| seb128 | slangasek, yes, all started with 3ubuntu1 and all happen "while upgrading" | 17:20 |
| bdmurray | seb128: is there a bug about icon text wrapping on periods like in bug 942539? | 17:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 942539 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity desktop icon text looks messy" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942539 | 17:21 |
| seb128 | bdmurray, I don't think so, I'm not convinced it's a bug | 17:22 |
| seb128 | bdmurray, you need to wrap somewhere, dot are usually end of words or sentences | 17:23 |
| seb128 | bdmurray, though indeed in that case it's unfortunate | 17:23 |
| blackbug | Hello, repeating my question, in case anyone has any idea about it. "a naive question: i have just started exploring ubuntu apps source code, in case I make some changes, how should i test it? should i compile/build whole code on my machine and replace install new binaries.. or any other test enviornment method or way" | 17:23 |
| mvo | mhall119: I gave the MP a +1, while I'm the original edit-patch author, I don't actually have commit access to devscripts so that is all I can do for now | 17:25 |
| mhall119 | mvo: thanks, do you know who can approve it? | 17:26 |
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| slangasek | seb128: I certainly think wrapping after a period with no space after it is a bug; it violates all the standard word-wrapping rules for English. | 17:27 |
| roaksoax | pitti: ping? | 17:27 |
| roaksoax | pitti: Hi! I'm looking to create a user/pass and a db for postgresql, from .postinst file. Is there any recommended way to do so? | 17:30 |
| mvo | mhall119: I think its https://launchpad.net/~devscripts-dev - so bdrung | 17:31 |
| mhall119 | mvo: thanks, I've already pinged bdrung about my submission to debian too | 17:32 |
| mvo | thanks | 17:33 |
| mhall119 | bdrung: ^^ Please ping me if you need anything else for than MP | 17:33 |
| bdrung | mhall119: the edit-patch fix? | 17:33 |
| mhall119 | bdrung: yes | 17:33 |
| bdrung | mhall119: i can look into it tomorrow. feel free to ping me again. | 17:35 |
| seb128 | slangasek, right, though it's not a word, it's numbers and dot only, like if you had 123.456.789.123 not sure if rules dictate that to not be wrapped | 17:35 |
| PaoloRotolo | Hi all! | 17:36 |
| seb128 | slangasek, but I don't know enough about unicode rules to say | 17:36 |
| slangasek | seb128: er, Unicode certainly can't dictate the rules here, they may vary by language | 17:37 |
| slangasek | for *English*, splitting on the dot is wrong :) | 17:37 |
| seb128 | slangasek, well, gtk upstream apparently follow http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr14/ | 17:37 |
| seb128 | "Unicode Line Breaking Algorithm" | 17:37 |
| mhall119 | bdrung: will do, thanks | 17:37 |
| slangasek | phooey | 17:38 |
| seb128 | slangasek, so unicode can't dictate but they do :p | 17:38 |
| seb128 | slangasek, though gedit seems to wrap 12.04 correctly so it might well be a nautilus bug indeed | 17:38 |
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| smoser | @pilot in | 17:39 |
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| seb128 | slangasek, bdmurray: yeah, seems a nautilus icon grid bug, when renaming the text entry wraps it correctly | 17:41 |
| slangasek | seb128: the unicode standard lists . as an "Infix Numeric Separator" that should only break between numbers if accompanied by a space | 17:42 |
| seb128 | slangasek, right, nautilus bug | 17:42 |
| seb128 | I somewhat doubt it's important enough on the nautilus list for having anyone upstream to care about it | 17:43 |
| seb128 | it's unfortunate it's showing on the liveCD though :-( | 17:43 |
| brendand | i don't think it's anything to do with the full stop | 17:44 |
| brendand | if you put, e.g. - then it still breaks at the dash | 17:44 |
| brendand | hmm, but not with anything else | 17:45 |
| brendand | seb128 - workaround is to stick a unicode 000D (CR) character in there. will that fly? | 17:50 |
| bdmurray | brendand: that idea was discussed in the bug | 17:50 |
| seb128 | brendand, if that works sure | 17:52 |
| brendand | stgraber has a good point about the translation implications though | 17:53 |
| blackbug | I have posted a bug 949116 which is related to mounting of internal/external harddisk and usb drives in 12.04. Also, nautilius | 17:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 949116 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "Internal hard disk partition is not displayed in Places menu,. My computer icon doesn't open up and show the internal/usb disk." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/949116 | 17:59 |
| smoser | kenvandine, ping | 18:05 |
| cnd | is there any issue with always building static libraries with -fPIC? | 18:11 |
| cnd | I'm trying to figure out a resolution for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtest/+bug/949244 | 18:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 949244 in gtest (Ubuntu) "libgtest.a needs to be built with -fPIC" [Undecided,New] | 18:11 |
| cnd | I'm thinking of just adding "--with-pic" to the configure flags when building the package | 18:12 |
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| kenvandine | smoser, pong | 18:16 |
| smoser | kenvandine, http://pad.lv/762167 | 18:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 762167 in light-themes (Ubuntu) "missing dependency on gtk2-engines-pixbuf" [Undecided,Triaged] | 18:17 |
| smoser | i'm patch piloting, and that looks sane to me, but seb had asked you to look at it. | 18:17 |
| smoser | i'll build and upload if you think its sane. | 18:17 |
| smoser | the only question i had is if gtk2-engines-pixbuf should have a versioned depends of some sort (since gtk-engines-murrine does, but i have no other reason than that) | 18:18 |
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| kenvandine | smoser, the version probably isn't really important anymore | 18:18 |
| kenvandine | looks fine to me, go for it! | 18:19 |
| kenvandine | smoser, thanks | 18:19 |
| smoser | thanks. | 18:19 |
| slangasek | cnd: convention is to build a .a and a _pic.a, but that's not a hard rule; we sometimes build .a with -fPIC when it's not logical to ever support a non-PIC lib | 18:32 |
| cnd | slangasek, when would we want to support a non-PIC lib? | 18:33 |
| slangasek | cnd: the only reason anyone cares about non-PIC .a is because i386 is register-poor, and PIC eats registers | 18:33 |
| cnd | this is for gtest, which wouldn't be used outside of test runs | 18:34 |
| cnd | slangasek, I assume the only problem with i386 being register poor is that stuff will run slower? | 18:34 |
| cnd | if so, I think that's ok for tests | 18:34 |
| blackbug | hello, i am trying to compile an apps code, but getting the following error.."configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.31.0 | 18:34 |
| blackbug | gtk+-3.0 >= 3.0.0 | 18:34 |
| blackbug | libcanberra-gtk3) were not met: | 18:34 |
| blackbug | No package 'gtk+-3.0' found | 18:34 |
| blackbug | No package 'libcanberra-gtk3' found | 18:34 |
| blackbug | Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you | 18:34 |
| blackbug | installed software in a non-standard prefix. | 18:34 |
| blackbug | " i am using 12.04 gnome. | 18:34 |
| slangasek | cnd: much, much slower, yes - but yeah, for gtest it's probably ok | 18:34 |
| cnd | ok | 18:36 |
| cnd | slangasek, thanks! | 18:36 |
| arges | if I want to see the output of g_debug in gnome-settings-daemon is there a package with the debug output enabled? or do I need to build my own package? thanks | 18:38 |
| ScottK | arges: Yes. No. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash | 18:40 |
| arges | ScottK, thanks | 18:40 |
| iulian | Laney: Errm, it should've worked! :-( | 19:05 |
| * iulian sighs. | 19:05 | |
| blackbug | i want to debug a core file. but the application is not giving the core file inspite of displaying segmentation fault and dumping core file msg. i already checked ulimit which is set to unlimited. any other clues? | 19:26 |
| mhall119 | stgraber: jelmer: james_w: seb128: can you guys please read over http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/blog/patching.html and let me know if you think it's okay? I tested it out with geany and all the commands worked fine there. | 19:30 |
| james_w | mhall119, looks ok | 19:33 |
| james_w | mhall119, for the reverting, "bzr revert" might be easiest, but if there are extra revisions, then I would suggest "bzr merge . -r 32..31" as it saves a command and will handle renames and things better | 19:33 |
| mhall119 | james_w: what command does it save? | 19:35 |
| james_w | bzr patch | 19:36 |
| mhall119 | james_w: doing it with merge makes bzr fail, somethign to do with geany having applied quilt patches on the branch | 19:37 |
| james_w | ah, hmm | 19:37 |
| seb128 | mhall119, it's over my bzr knowledge, if james_w is happy with it I'm sure it's good | 19:37 |
| mhall119 | james_w: here's the fun output from trying to do it via merge: http://paste.ubuntu.com/873490/ | 19:38 |
| mhall119 | I did realize I forgot to have them update the changelog with dch -i, I'm adding that step now | 19:38 |
| mhall119 | seb128: ^^ I assume that should be done, right? | 19:39 |
| dobey | is there no way to say "if x is installed, then y must be installed" when x is a recommends, and it doesn't itself rquire y, but the package's usage of x does require both? | 19:39 |
| dobey | i guess not | 19:41 |
| ajmitch | only way I can think of offhand is depending/recommending a metapackage that depends on both x & Y, but that isn't nice at all | 19:43 |
| slangasek | yeah, there's really no way to do conditional package relationships | 19:43 |
| broder | ah, damn. i screwed up the udd branch for bluez because i didn't see that cyphermox had already uploaded 4.98-2ubuntu3 (he apparently beat me by 6 minutes). what can i do to reset the state of the udd branch? | 19:48 |
| cyphermox | dah, sorry broder | 19:48 |
| * broder shrugs | 19:48 | |
| broder | i'll merge and re-upload - it's no big deal | 19:49 |
| broder | just not sure how to fix the branch, since i already pushed my (now inaccurate) tag | 19:49 |
| mhall119 | james_w: refresh, I added step 4 (dch -i) | 19:53 |
| slangasek | broder: if you want the importer to not fall over later down the line, I guess it's best to just leave the tag wrong. | 19:55 |
| slangasek | (there are no great choices here, given the importer's persistent refusal to accept bzr tag --delete as a possibility) | 19:56 |
| broder | :( | 19:57 |
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| cnd | slangasek, I attempted to file a debian bug report using reportbug, but I think it failed to send the email at the end | 20:05 |
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| cnd | do you know how to be sure and/or how to send it manually? | 20:05 |
| cnd | I have ssmtp set up | 20:05 |
| cnd | actually, it's msmtp | 20:06 |
| cnd | don't know if that makes a difference | 20:06 |
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| slangasek | cnd: with those MTAs I'm not sure how to check, but to send it manually, you just have to send the message to submit@bugs.debian.org with the body of the message intact | 20:09 |
| stgraber | cnd: ssmtp logs in syslog usually (though it's very limited logging and won't give you a way to access your mail as it doesn't do spooling) | 20:11 |
| cnd | ok | 20:11 |
| cnd | slangasek, I assume the turn around time for filing a bug report and receiving a reply back should be less than 15 mins? | 20:14 |
| broder | slangasek: the importer did actually just move my branch aside and recreated it with the correct histor | 20:16 |
| cnd | slangasek, looks like it got filed, thanks! | 20:16 |
| slangasek | broder: oh, wunderbar :) | 20:16 |
| slangasek | cnd: < 15 mins - no guarantees ;) | 20:16 |
| broder | slangasek: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/bluez/precise-201203072011/+merge/96445 | 20:16 |
| broder | (which i'm going to reject, because i've already handled the merge) | 20:16 |
| seb128 | slangasek, | 20:20 |
| seb128 | bzr: ERROR: An error (1) occurred running quilt: Patch 05_readd_gconf_engine_key_is_writable.patch does not exist | 20:20 |
| seb128 | slangasek, seems you forgot to bzr add that patch to the vcs? | 20:21 |
| slangasek | oh what | 20:21 |
| seb128 | slangasek, I'm fixing it | 20:21 |
| slangasek | seb128: no, I've got it here | 20:21 |
| slangasek | bzr add debian && bzr push, already done | 20:21 |
| seb128 | slangasek, hum, bzr pull didn't pull it for me?! | 20:22 |
| slangasek | no, I *just* pushed it | 20:22 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 20:22 |
| seb128 | slangasek, thanks | 20:22 |
| slangasek | sure | 20:22 |
| slangasek | and sorry | 20:22 |
| seb128 | no worry | 20:22 |
| slangasek | note that if you guys were using the UDD branch, this wouldn't have happened ;) | 20:22 |
| seb128 | slangasek, I'm doing a test build for another issue, just ran into it | 20:22 |
| slangasek | (since I did a UDD merge first and then copied over to the ~ubuntu-desktop branch ;) | 20:22 |
| seb128 | slangasek, right, we would just have to deal with 5x issues with outdated import, quilt problems and other issues | 20:23 |
| slangasek | ah, trollfail | 20:23 |
| * slangasek crawls back into his cave | 20:23 | |
| stgraber | ;) | 20:23 |
| seb128 | slangasek, I'm happy to trade that sort of issue to not use UDD any day ;-) | 20:23 |
| seb128 | lol | 20:23 |
| seb128 | rather | 20:23 |
| seb128 | :-( | 20:24 |
| seb128 | using UDD would be great, it would mean it's working decently enough | 20:24 |
| mhall119 | james_w: are you happy with that blog? | 21:23 |
| mhall119 | stgraber: have you had a chance to look at it? | 21:23 |
| james_w | mhall119, looks ok, though I haven't tested obviously | 21:24 |
| mhall119 | sure, I didn't expect you too, just wanted to make sure there aren't any glaring errors in the process | 21:25 |
| mhall119 | the end result is a new file in debian/patches/, a new line in debian/patches/series, and a new entry in debian/changelog | 21:25 |
| mhall119 | no changes being made to the source itself | 21:26 |
| stgraber | mhall119: haven't yet, busy pushing some changes to wubi, will have a look in a minute (pretty much done pushing all I have) | 21:26 |
| mhall119 | stgraber: thanks | 21:26 |
| stgraber | mhall119: you seem to be missing a "mkdir debian/patches"? | 21:28 |
| slangasek | mkdir -p debian/patches, so it works whether or not the directory is already there? :) | 21:29 |
| mhall119 | I guess I shouldn't assume they have a debian/patches in the branch, huh | 21:29 |
| stgraber | though just creaating debian/patches will only work with 3.0 (quilt) packages, for older packaging you'd need to create it + add a build-dep on quilt and add to debian/rules | 21:29 |
| mhall119 | stgraber: how bad would it be if somebody submits a patch file to an older package without that dependency? | 21:30 |
| stgraber | if whoever doesn't review carefully, the package will build but the patch won't be applied | 21:31 |
| stgraber | *if whoever does the review doesn't look carefully | 21:32 |
| broder | does it actually make sense for people who don't have a packaging background to be rewriting their patches? there are still lots of things that could go wrong - .pc conflicts, packages using dpatch (god forbid and not really that likely) | 21:33 |
| broder | and most importantly this doesn't address the desktop team's weird separate branches | 21:33 |
| broder | (i think i may have argued in the past that we needed to be telling people how to do this, and if so i apologize because i think i was wrong to do so) | 21:34 |
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| mhall119 | stgraber: how would somebody tell if it's an old or new package? | 21:44 |
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| stgraber | mhall119: debian/source/format | 21:51 |
| stgraber | mhall119: if it's not "3.0 (quilt)" it won't work with your instructions | 21:51 |
| jalcine | Anyone know where I can find doku? | 21:51 |
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| mhall119 | stgraber: do you think quilt 3 will be a minority of majority of packages? | 21:55 |
| broder | mhall119: zack keeps some stats on adoption in debian: http://upsilon.cc/~zack/stuff/dpkg-v3/ - looks like about 60% of packages in the debian archive are 3.0 (quilt) | 22:00 |
| mhall119 | better odds than Vegas | 22:00 |
| mhall119 | I'll just have them check their debian/source/format before following along | 22:01 |
| mhall119 | what should I tell people who's packages aren't using quilt 3? | 22:01 |
| ScottK | 3.0 (quilt) just makes my head hurt. | 22:01 |
| ScottK | mhall119: Nothing. It's optional. | 22:01 |
| stgraber | mhall119: http://raphaelhertzog.com/files/2011/12/formats-patches.png | 22:01 |
| broder | mhall119: anyway, i'm still trying to figure out whether it's actually important that your contributors rephrase their patches with quilt and a changelog, or whether there are other problems with the quicklists and keywords rounds that we should be focusing on instead | 22:02 |
| broder | i tend to argue that we should be willing to take patches that aren't quiltified as long as everything else is in order, and there's enough information for a contributor to fill in the changelog/dep-3 info | 22:03 |
| mhall119 | broder: it won't hurt if I teach people to make quilt patches when their source package will use it though, will it? | 22:04 |
| broder | sure, it'd certainly make me happier if i was sponsoring them | 22:04 |
| broder | but your current instructions make me less happy because the resulting commit doesn't have the patch applied with the .pc changes in the branch | 22:05 |
| broder | because i've had bad luck trying to merge branches that don't apply patches | 22:05 |
| mhall119 | broder: so the patches *should* be applied? | 22:05 |
| mhall119 | if so, I can just remove the step that reverts that | 22:06 |
| broder | this is sort of a sticky point in the udd/3.0 (quilt) processes | 22:06 |
| broder | but right now the branches track patches applied | 22:06 |
| broder | but they should be applied by quilt, which generates a .pc directory with a bunch of metadata | 22:06 |
| broder | and that *also* needs to be in the commit | 22:06 |
| broder | so what i would want to see would be (a) unapply the patches (b) run quilt push -a (c) bzr add everything (including the .pc file) | 22:07 |
| mhall119 | broder: unapply all applied patches, then apply them all? | 22:07 |
| stgraber | mhall119: what I gave you yesterday actually generated a .pc with the patch applied | 22:08 |
| broder | unapply the patches that the contributor made, because those would be the ones not currently "owned" by quilt | 22:08 |
| mhall119 | broder: and then quilt push <new patch>? | 22:08 |
| broder | yeah, or just quilt push -a | 22:09 |
| mhall119 | ok, that's easy enough to add | 22:09 |
| slangasek | tjaalton: fwiw, I'm still meditating on this latest plymouth change; although I worked with William at the Ubuntu Global Jam over the weekend to prepare this change, I'm a little concerned about the possibility that a raw chvt here could racily break desktop systems | 22:12 |
| slangasek | tjaalton: by having the chvt called underneath lightdm | 22:12 |
| ScottK | broder: This would be so much easier if 3.0 (quilt) didn't apply patches by default. | 22:13 |
| ScottK | It would even make sense to me then. | 22:13 |
| broder | ScottK: i go back and forth on which i prefer. there are some compelling pros to applying patches when you unpack, but the bad interaction with any sort of vcs is definitely unfortunate | 22:17 |
| ScottK | Independent of VCS issues, applying patches on unpack seems fundamentlaly wrong to me. | 22:17 |
| ScottK | It's like a layer violation between the upstream and distro layers of the package. | 22:18 |
| broder | but it also helps reduce confusion about what the package is going to build for people who walk up to it without packaging background | 22:22 |
| mhall119 | broder: added quilt push -a instructions to http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/blog/patching.html | 22:24 |
| mhall119 | in step 3 | 22:24 |
| broder | yeah, looks good. you may also need to bzr add .pc to pick up the extra crap files there | 22:26 |
| ScottK | IME nothing regarding quilt avoids confusion for people who are new to it. | 22:28 |
| broder | hmm, compelling point | 22:28 |
| mhall119 | broder: I have a bunch of .pc/*.patch/.timestamp files now that bzr isn't aware of | 22:34 |
| mhall119 | should all of those be added? | 22:34 |
| broder | mhall119: yep | 22:34 |
| broder | otherwise you're only adding half of quilt's state | 22:34 |
| mhall119 | why do I have these files for patches that were previously there though? | 22:35 |
| jelmer | hi mhall119 | 22:35 |
| mhall119 | hey jelmer | 22:35 |
| jelmer | mhall119: did you still need feedback on http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/blog/patching.html ? | 22:36 |
| jelmer | mhall119: ".dekstop" seems to be consistently misspelled, is that intentional ? :) | 22:36 |
| mhall119 | jelmer: yes please | 22:36 |
| mhall119 | doh! no | 22:36 |
| jelmer | mhall119: Cool, I'll have a look now.. might be an hour or as my battery is about to die | 22:37 |
| mhall119 | jelmer: ok, I wasn't planning on having it post until tomorrow morning anywa | 22:38 |
| broder | mhall119: sorry, irc flaked. the .pc files are how quilt tracks which patches have been applied | 22:38 |
| broder | if you apply patches but don't include the .pc files that quilt creates, it's worse than not applying the patches at all | 22:38 |
| mhall119 | broder: in that case, I think the geany branch is a mess | 22:39 |
| broder | mhall119: no, because the patch isn't applied | 22:40 |
| broder | from my perspective as a sponsor of a udd changes, the best possible world is patches applied with .pc files, then new patch was not applied | 22:40 |
| broder | patch applied to the osurce tree but without the .pc files is the worst possible setup | 22:40 |
| jelmer | mhall119: it's a bit confusing that you're mixing both the upstream change and the packaging change in the same branch | 22:40 |
| mhall119 | broder: on a clean bzr branch of ubuntu:geany | 22:41 |
| mhall119 | quilt top says that all patches are applied | 22:41 |
| mhall119 | but I don't see any of those .timestamp files in .pc/ | 22:41 |
| jelmer | mhall119: I can understand why, but it also makes the use of bzr diff and dep3-patch slightly awkward | 22:41 |
| jelmer | I wonder if we need some better tools for this particular case | 22:42 |
| broder | mhall119: grabbing the branch and looking | 22:42 |
| mhall119 | jelmer: I was originally leaving the source the same as upstream, but was told that I should apply the patch before committing | 22:42 |
| jelmer | (or pehrpas just need to improve dep3-patch to handle this case better) | 22:42 |
| broder | jelmer: since udd tracks 3.0 (quilt) branches with patches applied, you want to apply your new patch as well | 22:43 |
| broder | otherwise you have a branch with patches partially applied | 22:43 |
| * mhall119 is so confused right now | 22:43 | |
| jelmer | broder: that does make sense, but I think the use of dep3-patch for that case is a bit awkward at the moment | 22:44 |
| broder | mhall119: oh, ugh. i bet this is caused by changes in quilt | 22:44 |
| jelmer | mhall119: sorry :-? | 22:44 |
| jelmer | I mean :-/ | 22:44 |
| broder | mhall119: if you pop all the patches then push them back on, you get .timestamp files | 22:44 |
| mhall119 | broder: yes, that appears to be what's happening | 22:44 |
| broder | (also .pc/.quilt_patches and .pc/.quilt_series) | 22:45 |
| broder | that sucks | 22:45 |
| mhall119 | so would it be okay for a submission to suddenly add these .timestamp files? | 22:45 |
| jelmer | wait.. changes in the quilt format? | 22:45 |
| broder | jelmer: bzr branch ubuntu:geany && cd geany && quilt pop -a && quilt push -a && bzr status | 22:45 |
| broder | http://paste.ubuntu.com/873736/ | 22:45 |
| broder | the udd importer would be running on lucid, right? so there's plenty of room for changes to quilt | 22:46 |
| mhall119 | ok, I'm going to leave this post unscheduled for now, and take my son to karate, I'll be back later and see what you guys have decided on ;) | 22:46 |
| broder | mhall119: for the record, i no longer have any idea what the best option is :( | 22:46 |
| mhall119 | broder: welcome to the club | 22:46 |
| jelmer | broder: I think that's another argument for not actually storing the applied quilt patches in the udd branches | 22:47 |
| jelmer | broder: but rather have them applied at checkout time by bzr | 22:47 |
| broder | jelmer: that would require us to throw away all of the udd history we have and restart from scratch, right? is that even an option? | 22:48 |
| jelmer | broder: it would be possible to not apply quilt patches for newly imported versions I guess | 22:48 |
| jelmer | I'm not sur, needs some more thought I guess | 22:49 |
| jelmer | *sure | 22:49 |
| seb128 | slangasek, hey | 23:20 |
| seb128 | slangasek, I just saw your comment on that lightdm uninstall bug | 23:20 |
| seb128 | slangasek, I was just wondering, what's the standard thing to do for people trying to uninstall a service while it's running? | 23:21 |
| slangasek | seb128: the service should certainly be stopped | 23:21 |
| seb128 | slangasek, I think we still have a bug about one of the maintainer script trying to delete to lightdm user on uninstall which fails if you uninstall it from your user session while lightdm is still running | 23:21 |
| slangasek | and then the package removal should continue | 23:21 |
| seb128 | slangasek, that would log all users out with a dm... | 23:22 |
| seb128 | isn't that bad taste? | 23:22 |
| slangasek | well, I suppose if they're running *under* the dm, you could bail | 23:22 |
| slangasek | but in this case, I know it was being uninstalled from the commandline | 23:22 |
| slangasek | and it still failed :) | 23:22 |
| seb128 | "bail" like break the script? | 23:22 |
| seb128 | slangasek, right, it just made me think about the other case | 23:22 |
| seb128 | or "bail" like success but fail to clean the lightdm user behind? | 23:22 |
| slangasek | "bail" like break the script | 23:23 |
| seb128 | ok | 23:23 |
| seb128 | so those bugs a "Invalid" then | 23:23 |
| seb128 | i.e "don't do that, don't try to purge a dm you are running and logged with in a session" | 23:23 |
| * slangasek nods | 23:24 | |
| seb128 | slangasek, thanks | 23:24 |
| slangasek | sure :) | 23:24 |
| seb128 | it happens frequently enough that the bug has half a dozen dups | 23:24 |
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