[00:06] jdstrand: for the dh_apparmor bugs .. to make packages easier to no-change backport, can one | debhelper (<< 9.20120115ubuntu3) ? [00:08] SpamapS: Don't see why not. [00:09] Just don't try it in Debian. [00:10] ScottK: in Debian I'm thinking the packaging needs some revisiting so we can get in sync w/ Ubuntu. [00:10] Hrm.. gcc-4.5 wasn't in lucid .. I wonder if I should just punt the no-change idea. [00:10] OK. I don't know your specifics, but alternate build-depends aren't supported on Debian. [00:13] SpamapS: I don't see any problems with that. makes syncing with Debian harder as mentioned [00:13] jdstrand: yeah I just found 3 other things that make it hard to build w/o changes on lucid.. not really worried about any of the others so I'm dropping the idea. ;) === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine_ [00:14] heh === JackyAlcine_ is now known as jalcine === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine_ [00:40] iulian: I don't know. I've tried a few patches but it's just fail after fail, and the builds take about 10 hours. [00:42] slangasek: what do you think about bug 226780? should it be won't fix or fixed? [00:42] Launchpad bug 226780 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt-key net-update does not obey APT::Acquire::http::Proxy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/226780 [00:47] bdmurray: I think it should be fixed [00:48] slangasek: okay, the fix should really be in apt-key though not the cronjob like in the patch. correct? [00:49] bdmurray: ah, hadn't looked at the patch... yes, I think apt-key itself should respect the setting [00:49] bdmurray: apt-key is a shell script that already calls apt-config for lots of settings, it should pick the proxy out as well [00:55] I'm getting occasional kernel panics with 12.04. I've never had any kernel panics with 11.10. [00:57] lcc: you may want to join #ubuntu+1 , as that is frequented by quite a few beta testers [00:57] lcc: while this channel is just for discussion fo development itself [00:57] oh ok === emma is now known as em === webjadmin is now known as JackyAlcine_ === JackyAlcine_ is now known as webjadmin === webjadmin is now known as jalcine [02:16] slangasek, you around ? [02:16] you able to take a quick sniff of bug 948461 [02:16] Launchpad bug 948461 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt-get hashsum/size mismatch due caused by swapped local file names" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948461 === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine_ === JackyAlcine_ is now known as jalcine [03:02] anyone willing to write me a fully selinux script for 11.10 it can be python if thats easier and be willing to do it for $25 [03:02] as selinux as can be [03:08] Heh. [03:08] For $25 I'd type #!/usr/bin/python. [03:09] zsh: no such file or directory: /usr/bin/python. [03:09] :-P [03:09] * ScottK didn't say it'd do anything. [03:10] You also didn't say where you'd type it [03:10] That too. [03:10] But what to you expect for $25. [03:11] (even US or Canadian, he may have meant Australian) [03:11] i can type that with my pinky toe [03:12] My pinkie toe can send you an artistic interpretation of a selinux script for $25. I take non-refundable payment in advance. [03:18] I don't suppose any nice developer could get this moving along? :) [03:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/821100/ [03:18] Launchpad bug 821100 in ia32-libs (Ubuntu Natty) "ia32-libs does not install /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1" [Undecided,Confirmed] [03:18] I really need ia32libs with libGL on natty for a project I'm working on [03:18] and sadly it doesn't exist :/ === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [03:38] smoser: I'm entirely failing to understand the thesis statement of this bug [03:39] smoser: the claim is that *apt* is saving the files to the wrong filenames after downloading them? I have a hard time believing that's been happening since hardy and someone's just noticed it now [03:40] i have your same thoughts. [03:40] you do understand the thesis statement. [03:40] hmm [03:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/872478/ [03:40] that kind of shows the failure. [03:41] (and i just updated the bug with a comment) [03:41] note, in that pastebin at the end, i download the libpolkit-agent-1-0_0.104-1_amd64.deb via wget [03:41] and md5sum it [03:41] in the wget output, the md5sum matches that of the 'apt-get' download of libxcb-util0_0.3.8-2_amd64.deb [03:42] slangasek, so i'm trying to reproduce with more traditional mirrors. [03:42] but believing that S3 is serving incorrect file content, is only moderately more difficult than to believe that apt is $*#@ing up itself. [03:42] as both are involved in huge amounts of gets per day [03:43] * slangasek nods [03:43] so wget returns the correct file where apt-get returns the wrong one/ [03:43] one thing that can look the same [03:43] is truncated content [03:44] if you have a non-TE stream and no content-length header, HTTP cannot tell the difference between internet fail and EOF [03:44] lifeless: this doesn't appear to be a case of truncation; the objects are just plain swapped on the filesystem after download [03:45] clean md5sum... belonging to the wrong file [03:45] kk [03:45] was just putting it out there :) [03:46] smoser: is it reproducible with a single package download (e.g., apt-get install thing-with-no-depends)? or does it only go wrong when downloading multiple files with the same http process? [03:47] lifeless, its not truncated content. [03:47] dpkg -I shows info on the deb downloaded [03:47] slangasek, i'm going to test now, just runnig wget in a loop [03:47] on that file that had bad content [03:47] and wget ... checksum ... wget ... [03:47] see if i can take apt out completely [03:55] smoser: see if it's reproducible with Acquire::http::Pipeline-Depth=0 [03:55] (cf. apt.conf(5)) [03:56] slangasek, k. let me test this wget in a loop for a while first. [03:59] lifeless, huh? connection failure will result in a connection reset, not a clean close... [04:00] psusi: and yes wget curl etc all have displayed this in the past [04:01] lifeless, you mean they return a zero exit status when they get a connection reset instead of eof? [04:01] I could have sworn that wget was smart enough to detect that and try to reconnect and resume the download... [04:08] psusi: it may be nowadays, my HTTP mental model is a melange of 16 years encounters ;) [04:12] slangasek, so.. some info. [04:12] http://paste.ubuntu.com/872513/ [04:12] doesn't seem to fail. (just repeated wget). [04:13] http://paste.ubuntu.com/872514/ [04:13] doesnt seem to fail (it has your Pipeline-Depth) [04:13] but a simple removing of that Pipeline-Depth seems to give failure. [04:30] http pipelining ? Terrible idea :(. (poorly supported, and a microoptimisation that encourages serious security issues and bugs) [04:30] channels are much better, which spdy and AFAICT all the other HTTP 2.x candidates offer [04:30] and apparently default behavior in apt [04:30] :) [04:30] smoser: I argued against this on debian-devel. [04:30] lifeless, then i blame you [04:30] Apparently upstream cache developers don't know enough. [04:30] for not winning that argument [04:30] :) [04:32] http://kb.cloudopt.com/index.php/Known_Problem:_HTTP_Pipelining_Fails_with_BucketExplorer [04:33] well this royally sucks. [04:34] http://old.nabble.com/APT-do-not-work-with-Squid-as-a-proxy-because-of-pipelining-default-td28579596.html [04:44] lifeless, thanks. [04:44] i'm headed to bed, but anyones thoughts (slangasek) on what we could do about this issue would be greatly apprecited. [04:45] ie, we want to put these S3 mirrrors in place , and this would block that. [04:45] and this default seems present back to hardy === malkauns_ is now known as malkauns [05:29] Is it just me, or is firefox segfaulting on startup after latest updates? [05:47] Good morning [06:27] what does the ubuntu live-cd installer use to make a new partition label? [06:28] probably gparted, but I'm just guessing [06:28] you mean parted [06:28] which gparted is a front-end to [06:29] cause if you have a iso9660 live cd on the sd card, and then try partitioning it, grub-install fails cause it still detects the iso9660 file system even though there is a msdos partition table [06:29] so i am about to write the patch that zeros out the rest of the header in the msdos partition lable [06:30] if it detects a iso9660 image already there [06:30] instead of just writing the bare minimum [06:30] there is a small gap that grub is using that i guss isn't zeroed === lucas__ is now known as lucas [07:27] Is it possible to locally build a package for oneiric from bzr branch on precise, using buildeb plugin ? [07:28] ritz: with sbuild or pbuilder, sure [07:28] * ritz checks sbuild === smb` is now known as smb [08:06] good morning === jbicha is now known as Guest38686 [08:37] hey pitti, close to a beer this morning! [08:38] not sure what's wrong with the meta-kde packages [08:39] pitti: kde4libs was uploaded w/out the rest of the stack [08:40] oh, rather, meta-kde was uploaded without the rest of the stack save kde4libs :) [08:43] pitti, micahg well, it looks like the rest of the archives, including armhf are in good shape now for multiple days in a row [08:43] this has to be a good thing for developers [08:43] yes, indeed [08:43] :) === zyga-xchat is now known as zyga [09:42] slangasek, hey [09:42] slangasek, did you get anywhere with that gconf upgrade bug? [09:42] it's flooding my bug emails box :p [09:46] i synced a package with syncpackage, but it's not processed yet unlike the other upload I just did [09:46] is the process different there? [09:52] tjaalton: it's source NEW, and thus in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=0 [09:53] pitti: oh right, it got split from arduino.. [09:53] @pilot in === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Precise Beta-1 Released. Archive: open | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | build failures -> http://bit.ly/xmGdCW | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> oneiric | #ubuntu-app-devel for app development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: tjaalton, sconklin [09:55] * dholbach hugs tjaalton and sconklin [09:58] who synced 'tzdata' ~3 hours ago? [09:58] sladen: pitti did, why? [09:58] pitti: it appears to be resetting the timezone on package install [09:59] reset how? [09:59] works fine here [09:59] $ cat /etc/timezone [09:59] Europe/Berlin [09:59] $ cat /etc/timezone [09:59] Africa/Bamako [09:59] filed as bug #948809 [09:59] Launchpad bug 948809 in tzdata (Ubuntu) "tzdata says "Current default time zone: 'Africa/Bamako' during package install; previously was 'Europe/London' during OS install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948809 [10:00] whether that's because Europe/London is sometimes the same as UTC [10:01] slangasek: could you please add the output of "grep -A3 '^Name:.*tzdata' /var/cache/debconf/config.dat" ? [10:01] argh, sladen ^ [10:01] slangasek: please ignore me [10:03] tjaalton: seamonkey-browser is now a transitional package, can you fix your upload to enhance seamonkey? [10:03] pitti: added. The two interesting Value: lines are "Berlin" and "UTC" [10:03] micahg: sure [10:03] there's no packaging change in latest tzdata, so it must be a bug that's lurking for ages already [10:04] yikes. it's changed it in indicator-timedate too [10:04] slangasek: no "london" at all, hmm [10:04] sladen: I take it you don't know what /etc/timezone said before the upgrade [10:05] pitti: would have been 'Europe/London' [10:05] pitti: would it be worth patching the package in the short term to at least dump the previous value, before the logic takes place [10:06] we could, but here we are pretty sure about the previous value [10:12] tjaalton: thanks [10:14] anyone opposed to the change proposed here https://code.launchpad.net/~blkperl/ubuntu/precise/plymouth/fix_blank_screen/+merge/95817 [10:14] it's true that on servers you get a blank screen on startup [10:16] tested that it works [10:20] huh, not a single plymouth upload in precise [10:20] guess it's stable then ;) [10:20] tjaalton, you know how it goes: "you upload it, you maintain it" [10:21] tjaalton, nobody wants to maintain it ;-) [10:21] Broken on hybrid graphics in some circumstances, sadly. [10:21] seb128: yeah, I'll just ack the change then :) [10:49] uh, cryptsetup is 1,5y old [10:50] last merge in november 2010 [11:30] tjaalton: indeed, thats why I prepared a merge for it [11:30] :) [11:31] infinity: Are you going to be looking at bug 759545? [11:31] Launchpad bug 759545 in grub2 (Ubuntu Precise) "user prompted to update unmodified grub configuration during Ubuntu server upgrade" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759545 [11:35] cjwatson: noticed biosdevname bugs starting to appear, bug 948559 and bug 948546, for example [11:35] Launchpad bug 948559 in vlan (Ubuntu) "eth* NIC names hardcoded" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948559 [11:35] Launchpad bug 948546 in bridge-utils (Ubuntu) "eth* device names hardcoded in debian/bridge-utils.sh" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948546 [11:37] Any French speakers interested in taking a look at bug 948884? rickspencer3 ? ;) [11:37] dupondje: yeah, acked, hopefully accepted too.. [11:37] Launchpad bug 948884 in mbrola (Ubuntu) "mbrola is unable to pronounce the French word "les"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948884 [11:37] lets hope so :) [11:37] there is also TRIM support in the new version [11:41] Daviey: thanks [11:46] hi all! I'm trying to propose a merge for lp:~ubuntu-desktop/nautilus/debian [11:46] but lp keeps switching me to lp:nautilus [11:46] is there any way to avoid this redirect? [11:47] Or should I abandon all hope and send patches instead of branches? [11:47] tjaalton: who could push it ? :) [11:47] roignac_, hey, how do you propose the merge? did you branch of lp:~ubuntu-desktop/nautilus/debian ? [11:48] roignac_, it should use the parent branch... [11:48] dupondje: someone of the release team needs to ack it [11:49] seb128: I branched lp:~ubuntu-desktop/nautilus/ubuntu [11:49] roignac_, on https://code.launchpad.net/~roignac/ubuntu/precise/nautilus/bug_32542_save_search_as_button/+register-merge [11:49] roignac_, select other and type ~ubuntu-desktop/nautilus/ubuntu [11:49] that should work? [11:50] seb128: target branch is specified as lp:ubuntu/nautilus =/ [11:50] roignac_, right, but you can pick "other" and type ~ubuntu-desktop/nautilus/ubuntu no? [11:51] seb128: i tried this, but LP keeps redirecting to lp:nautilus [11:51] roignac_, ask on #launchpad I guess [11:51] ok, thanks [12:00] seb128: thanks, #launchpad guys did help [12:00] roignac_, what was the issue? [12:01] Though they also wondered why does ~ubuntu-desktop uses lp:~ubuntu-desktop/nautilus, but not lp:~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/nautilus branches for packaging [12:01] cjwatson: could you check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/776264 for me ? :) [12:01] Launchpad bug 776264 in cryptsetup (Ubuntu) "FFe: Please merge cryptsetup 2:1.4.1-2 (main) from debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [12:01] seb128: I've created a branch in /ubuntu (following the tutorial), but the destination branch was in /nautilus [12:02] seems like a launchpad bug [12:02] it shouldn't stop on namespace and let you overwrite the destination [12:04] nope, this is a little problem with packaging branch. If a newbie like me strictly follows tutorial at Bugs/HowToFix one will branch lp:ubuntu/nautilus === dmart_ is now known as dmart === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:05] sorry, will branch ~ubuntu-desktop branch and will push it to lp:~username/ubuntu/nautilus [12:05] dupondje: I'd rather not, I don't know cryptsetup at all well [12:05] ok no problem [12:05] seb128: so he won't be able to merge with lp:~ubuntu/nautilus [12:06] sorry for spam, everybody [12:06] roignac_, sorry that the workflow is not consistent [12:06] roignac_, we don't use the udd way for desktop for several reasons [12:06] roignac_, that's part of the issue [12:07] I see, so attaching patches is easier and much safer [12:14] maby we should add 'last time merged (days ago)' to the MoM? Cause I guess some more packages are really out-of-date [12:15] https://bugs.launchpad.net/merge-o-matic/+bug/881487 [12:15] Launchpad bug 881487 in Merge-o-Matic "need to be able to see how long it's been since the package was last merged" [Undecided,New] [12:15] hehe :D === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:25] Daviey: OK, fixed both of those now === zyga is now known as zyga-afk [12:31] cjwatson: Oh, i wasn't prodding you to fix them! Just a FYI [12:46] gtk+3.0 build fails from source on precise, with ./.libs/libgtk-3.so: undefined reference to `ubuntu_menu_proxy_insert' [12:46] https://pastebin.canonical.com/61799/ [12:46] what am I missing here ? === zyga-afk is now known as zyga [12:51] ritz, no it doesn't [12:52] seb128, hmmm, the is a bzr branch lp:ubuntu/gtk+3.0, over which I ran configure with the stated option [12:52] ritz, what version did you try to build and how? [12:52] ritz, did you apply the patches in debian/patches? [12:53] I did nothing, just branch and ran configure [12:53] ritz, those are packaging branches, they are made to build packages not to be built like a trunk [12:54] i.e debian/rules has usually the correct recipies to build [12:54] which include i.e applying the distro patches [12:54] Daviey: Yes. I think I'll look harder at it today. [12:54] interesting, was not aware of this [12:54] ritz, well you can of course build it like a trunk, you just need to figure what the packaging is doing and you are not, could be that forgot to apply patches or forgot ldflags or build options [12:56] cool, thanks [12:59] @pilot out === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Precise Beta-1 Released. Archive: open | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | build failures -> http://bit.ly/xmGdCW | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> oneiric | #ubuntu-app-devel for app development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: tjaalton [13:00] seb128, where does ubuntu store "trunk" , or ubuntu requires patches for most packages ( like gtk/indicator) ? [13:00] ritz, define trunk [13:00] ritz, the packacing is usually upstream trunk with build rules and distro patches [13:00] well upstream "trunk" -> "tarballs" [13:01] hmmm, fair enough [13:01] so, debian/rules will enable the ubuntu specific build/patches [13:06] seb128, Thanks, build fine now [13:06] me-- [13:06] ritz: Yes. In general, something like "debuild -b" will give you what you want. [13:09] infinity: thanks! [13:09] hmm, interesting. [13:10] infinity, thanks :) === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === kiwinote_ is now known as kiwinote [13:41] would anyone happen to know where the keyring password for ubuntu-dev-tools e.g. synpackage is stored? I would need to change it. [13:47] Q-FUNK: https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+oauth-tokens [13:47] Q-FUNK: And revoke? [13:49] infinity: I meant that password that is asked in the shell whenever I run 'syncpackage' [13:49] Oh. I don't think I've ever been asked for a password... [13:51] not the access rights granted to applications to play with LP on my behalf :) [13:52] It doesn't need any other passwords... Except possibly GPG passphrases for --no-lp use. [13:52] Riddell: do you know what changed yesterday to cause http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/precise_probs.html ? [13:53] pitti: Without looking, I'll guess we started uploading KDE 4.8.1. [13:53] infinity: here, it asks for a password [13:53] Sure looks that way. [13:53] Q-FUNK: if you're running GNOME then it's in your gnome keyring (similar if you use KDE) [13:53] pitti: That's it. It should get sorted today. [13:54] geser: stored under which key name? [13:54] ScottK: thahnks [13:55] ScottK: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt now has a large armada of stuff that wants to go to universe; are these really all obsolete, or is that just temporary? [13:56] pitti: Probably worth completely ignoring archive reports about anything vaguely KDE-related until the transition's done. It's always bumpy. :/ [13:56] ack [13:56] pitti: I'd be very surprised if it's not temporary. [13:57] Q-FUNK: good question, never had to look it up yet how in detail python-launchpadlib stores the password; perhaps ask in #launchpad === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine_ [14:04] are cross-architecture depends/recommends allowed yet? === JackyAlcine_ is now known as jalcine [14:16] tjaalton: Only if it's never going to happen on a buildd. [14:17] pitti: about cryptsetup merge, how you want to test it exactly? root disk completely encrypted with LUKS or ? [14:17] tjaalton: See, eg: ia32-libs (on amd64), which depends on ia32-libs-multiarch (which only exists on i386) [14:17] dupondje: yes, something like that; the alternate install supports this schema [14:17] so just a precise daily install and then upgrade [14:17] i'll fix :D [14:18] dupondje: usually it's raw disk <- cryptsetup partion <- LVM <- root/home etc.; and then a separate /boot [14:18] tjaalton: Buildds, however, are intentionally not multiarch-aware, to keep the architectures self-contained, so no pulling of such tricks on anything that might be a build-dep of.. Anything. [14:18] stgraber: What would be an example of a social membership that the DMB would process? [14:18] dupondje: thanks, much appreciated! [14:19] infinity: right, this is for !buildd [14:20] tjaalton: Then yeah, it can be done, and we've been doing it since oneiric (see the above example) [14:20] tjaalton: flashplugin-nonfree works similarly. [14:20] ScottK: an existing coredev who isn't a direct member of MOTU and who's been spending a lot of time helping people in #ubuntu-motu or helped with universe QA or similar activities and who wants to be a MOTU has they feel they're part of that effort (vs just wanting the upload rights that they already have anyway) [14:20] infinity: right, of course. just double-checking :) [14:21] stgraber: OK. That makes complete sense. It wasn't so clear from the wiki entry. You might add an example ... [14:21] Thanks. [14:22] tjaalton: There are upgrade concerns to watch for. flashplugin-nonfree and ia32-libs both introduced new-named packages to make sure that upgrades did sane things. [14:22] tjaalton: (As in, if you just drop the amd64 version of a package, and expect apt to magically upgrade it to i386, that might end badly for you) [14:23] tjaalton: In those cases, we kept the old package names in place, but made them transitional packages that depended on a new i386-only package. [14:23] infinity: hmm actually I'm thinking if it was possible for a package to declare a relationship like "Depends: foo:i386 [amd64]", but now I realize how that'd not be that useful on debian :) [14:24] tjaalton: That's not doable, no. [14:24] tjaalton: The tricks we pull are based on transitive dependency backfill, I guess is a good way to put it. As in, we make sure the package only exists on one arch in the first place. [14:24] And then depend on it. [14:25] "Depends: foo:arch" isn't allowed. [14:25] (Though people pulling dirty tricks like we have might be proof that we should revisit adding foo:arch deps) === jalcine_ is now known as JackyAlcine_ [14:25] :) === JackyAlcine_ is now known as webjadmin === webjadmin is now known as JackyAlcine === JackyAlcine is now known as jalcine_ === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [14:39] please could someone poke the package importer to update the rabbitmq-server branch - its a bit out of date.. [14:57] infinity, what did you do last time to make alsa-lib build on x86 ? it failed again with the same cryptic error [14:57] ... [14:57] checking whether we are cross compiling... configure: error: in `/build/buildd/alsa-lib-1.0.25/bibuild': [14:57] configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. [14:57] ... [15:02] ogra_: Build it on palmer. I'll do it. [15:02] thx [15:03] Err, roseapple. [15:03] Whatever. [15:03] any idea what causes it ? [15:03] It's running amd64 code. :/ [15:03] ouch, k [15:03] It needs merging to fix that. [15:03] Some day. [15:05] Alright, I have to head out for a bit. [15:05] alsa-lib building. [15:05] hi, i have a question about debconf usage that i'd like to get some input on. [15:05] cloud-init has a couple debconf things that can be seeded, and a configuration format that supports config.d type behavior. [15:06] i'm considering allowing a debconf preseed value of "local-config" or something that would then largely just get dropped into cloud.cfg.d/99-local [15:06] the reason for this is that cloud-init preseeding is likely to be done by a machine. [15:07] so more friendly menus or such are not necessary, but i'd like to open up a very generic window to doing this without having the pre-seeder need a late_command script or something to populate that. [15:11] pitti: I installed a precise system, upgraded cryptsetup. Now I rebooted and it works fine, but I get some delay @ booting, the error: error: no video mode activated [15:11] but thats unrelated I guess ? [15:11] doesn't sound cryptsetup-ish [15:11] dupondje: did you get this with the previous cryptsetup, too? [15:12] cyphermox: hey so the reason I said "12.10" for the BT audio mail is I don't know enough about it to know if it was a ood idea for 12.04 [15:12] cyphermox: is it really that simple a fix though? I mean, there's a wireless device and audio involved, I was expecting mountains needing to be moved, etc. [15:13] jcastro: no, it's a simple two-line patch to enable this in bluez [15:13] cyphermox: and the sound indicator has GUI support for this and all that? [15:13] there's still going to be the need for manual setup to reroute the streams to the right output device though [15:14] right, no it doesn't ;) [15:14] oh ok, so we can at least suck less off the bat, that's good! [15:14] cjwatson, do you have thoughts on my debconf idea above ? or slangasek ? [15:14] (sorry for asking by name) [15:15] jcastro: right, this makes us suck less from the start [15:15] hmz pitti Mar 7 16:09:09 ubuntu kernel: [ 15.858831] init: udev-fallback-graphics main process (773) terminated with status 1 [15:15] slangasek: I pushed a commit to plymouth and noticed it had two commits staged since september. mind checking if they should get in precise, and check the new one too :) [15:16] dupondje: is this with the current cryptsetup, or only with the updated one? if the latter, this needs to be investigated [15:17] lets see if downgrade fixes it [15:21] pitti: downgraded again, same issue. [15:21] dupondje: ok, thanks; so that confirms it's not due to that [15:22] smoser: not sure I really know cloud-init well enough to be able to comment usefully, TBH [15:23] well, generally, cjwatson i'm asking if it would be appropriate to have a debconf question like "local-config" [15:23] which woudl contain config-blob for the $GENERIC_PACKAGE [15:23] or if that is bad form for some reason or another [15:24] I have no idea, you'll find all sorts of examples in the archive probably :-) [15:24] (i assume i'm going to possibly need to be smart with new line hanling or something in the value of the string) [15:24] I don't see why late_command scripts are somehow evil though [15:24] it is explicitly not a design goal of debconf to let you configure every last possible scenario [15:24] but, if you want your package to have its own more targeted equivalent of late_command, *shrug* [15:25] just think about how it's going to handle upgrades [15:26] cjwatson, thank you for the feedback. [15:27] Daviey, ^ [15:27] seb128: no, no progress on gconf yet :/ [15:27] my thought process there is, that rather than generally allowing configuration of one bit of cloud-init (for bug 924375), i'll just open up a big blob [15:27] Launchpad bug 924375 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-init should allow pre-seeding of ec2 datasource:Ec2:metadata_urls" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924375 [15:34] smoser: Yeah, late command of, "echo "http://foo/bar" > /etc/cloud-init.d/next-server , is pretty cheap [15:34] cjwatson: debconf low, and default value should handle upgrades fine, no? [15:35] Daviey, right, but i see value in not requiring late_command (at least i think i do ) [15:35] Daviey: it sounds like it shouldn't even be asked at all [15:36] you don't actually need to db_input things ... [15:36] i'm good with not even asked at all if thats possible. [15:36] good enough for me. [15:36] is there a defined escaping mechanism for debconf values ? [15:36] mvo: ping (you know why) [15:37] (ie, to deal with '\n' or other potentially problematic things) [15:37] mhall119: *cough* I do! and no excuses from me this time let me look at the branch [15:38] debconf-escape(1) [15:38] cjwatson: right, but i was thinking smoser might want people to be able to enter a value [15:38] I don't think that's generally the right answer for "giant blob" type things [15:38] preseed/late_command doesn't get asked [15:39] can't remember whether it would be a good idea to set the 'escape' capability in this circumstance; possibly not, but try either way :) [15:39] Yes, so it really depends if smoser thinks users will want that question asked... if late_command on a debconf question is suitable [15:39] i dont think users would want the question asked. [15:39] i'm inserting it for machines. [15:39] smoser: ok, then late_command is almost free :) [15:40] machine's whose only real interface is preseed [15:40] the issue with late_command is that it doesn't stack terribly easy [15:40] without some general infrastructure in place. [15:41] ie, if 3 things want to add late_command, something has to join them on ';' or something. [15:41] I don't have a problem as such with an extra specialised unasked question for this; this is totally up to packages [15:41] thanks, cjwatson . === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === kk is now known as Guest54756 [16:24] cjwatson: some question about grub2. Getting "error: no video mode activated", could this be caused because it tries to read fonts from /usr/share/grub/ ? [16:24] doko: icedtea-netx-common is marked arch: all, but it builds a desktop file with the path to javaws with an arch dependent path. should the binary package be made arch: any, or the desktop file moved? === Guest54756 is now known as blackbug [16:26] tjaalton, best to move to icedtea-netx, I'll do this for the final 1.2 packages. thanks [16:26] doko: ok, cool [16:27] also, looks like installing the package isn't enough to make the links load the app by default, instead firefox will try to "open" it which just results in an empty tab.. [16:27] .jnlp links I mean [16:30] this all to get my kid to do her homework ;) [16:30] Hello, I have a question regarding the screenshot application in ubuntu. Which is the default application invoked with printscreen key? [16:31] blackbug: gnome-screenshot [16:31] dupondje: yeah, known problem when using cryptsetup, will be fixed with 2.00 [16:32] dupondje: best ignored for now :) [16:32] 2.00 will get into precise? [16:32] tjaalton: thanks, where i can find src code for it? [16:33] blackbug: apt-get source gnome-screenshot [16:33] pitti: the error I got is grub2 related (tries to open files on /usr/share which is still crypted). Will you upload cryptsetup? or want me to comment the bug? [16:33] or bzr branch lp:ubuntu/gnome-screenshot === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine_ [16:33] ah, that doesn't work [16:33] tjaalton: thanks i needed bazaar branch. [16:35] apt-get source gnome-screenshot should work too [16:35] yes, "bzr branch lp:ubuntu/gnome-screenshot" isnt working.. [16:36] @pilot out === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Precise Beta-1 Released. 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