[02:16] I just updated ubuntu precise packages (running xfce) and firefox is crashing when typing in a couple of characters to the address bar. Anyone else seeing this ? [02:19] seems to affect thunderbird also [08:07] morning all [08:18] [Jono Bacon] Notes From Canonical Community Team Meeting - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/07/notes-from-canonical-community-team-meeting/ [08:26] Morning [08:27] morning [08:27] Morning all [08:30] so I think my memory leak is down to the Arduino Strings classes [08:34] daubers: cool [08:34] Need to run some tests this afternoon to double check though [08:38] morning [08:45] good morning everyone, [08:46] \o brobostigon [08:47] o/ MartijnVdS === chalced is now known as chalcedony [09:12] Good morning peeps :) [09:13] morning bigcalm :) [09:14] Hi brobostigon [09:28] is it possible to remove lightdm without removing ubuntu-desktop ? [09:28] Morning all! :D [09:29] ubuntubhoy: According to aptitude info, it would appear not. [09:29] yeah [09:29] giving me grief [09:29] netbook wont boot past checking bat stats [09:30] and I think lightdm is the issue [09:30] ubuntubhoy: I may be wrong, but I think if you mention this in #ubuntu-desktop they'll be able to help you. [09:30] cheers, will join & ask [09:31] If not, they'll probably have a better idea than me where else to ask. :) [10:21] GOOD MORNING [10:21] loud =\ [10:32] aw sorry [10:35] HELLO CHRISTEL! :) [10:35] HELLO BIGCLAM [10:35] * AlanBell is an anticapitalist [10:36] heh bigclam [10:36] :P [10:36] bigclams sound tasty [10:36] AlanBell: give me your money [10:36] I shall always be a clam to christel [10:41] Wednesday night = Wolves LUG night = steak night \o/ [10:43] nhowdy [10:43] * andylockran is anti-growth and pro-prosperity === Killerjim is now known as KMus [10:45] mmmclams [10:45] * daubers is pro cake [10:46] I wish pay day would hurry up and get here so that I can pay my car insurance. Direct Line want over 750 quid, Hastings Direct quote 488 quid. What does Direct Line know that I don't? [10:46] bigcalm: how to make money [10:46] are you with direct line currently? [10:46] Yes [10:46] Have been for 5+ years [10:46] *nod* [10:47] they wanted to up our premiums by ridiculous amounts last year, so i looked around, found a better quote -- phoned them to say i would be going elsewhere [10:47] and they then beat the other quote by a significant chunk of money [10:47] Once I have money in my account I'll be calling them to see why they think they can play this [10:47] (making my premiums even smaller than they previously had been) [10:47] yeah, definitely phone them [10:47] Sadly I forgot about looking around last year. Insurance auto renewed on me :( [10:48] christel, I tried that last year with Churchill [10:48] been with them probably 7-8 years if not longer [10:49] No accidents in 15+ years never claimed on them [10:49] And they were dearer than 20 other insurers [10:49] :/ [10:49] Oooooh... forgot about the 4 day weekend next month [10:50] * daubers ponders a picnic at Bletchley [10:51] :( [10:51] ooh we have a 4 day weekend [10:51] 6-9 April :) [10:52] nice === joar_ is now known as CosmicB [10:53] So who fancies a picnic on the 6th of April? [10:54] * czajkowski shal be in ireland [10:54] daubers: where? [10:54] Bletchley :D [10:54] Yup :) [10:55] czajkowski: That's a silly place to be [10:57] on second thought, lets not go to ireland, tis a silly place [10:57] "The Land of Ire" [11:03] gord: :D [11:06] Anyone know how to get Mac Mail to recheck with an IMAP server for new folders? [11:06] my google fu is failing [11:08] close it, then restart? [11:10] hey all \o [11:10] MartijnVdS: sup dude :) [11:10] \o [11:10] HazRPG: 2 weeks of NOTHING :) [11:10] MartijnVdS: Just thought I'd keep you in the loop, finally got round to doing a full reinstall :) [11:11] HazRPG: Does pulse work now? [11:11] MartijnVdS: yeah I know, been d/c'ed for a while... finally got my internet sorted out (2Mbps sadly ;() [11:11] HazRPG: as long as it works.. :) [11:12] MartijnVdS: yeah it does, plus wine1.3 has sound too :) [11:12] HazRPG: (I meant: "I've taken 2 weeks off work") [11:12] MartijnVdS: oh heh :P [11:12] * daubers goes to fail another motorbike test [11:12] Good luck! [11:13] daubers: No you're not! *\o/* daubers [11:13] +1 to that, good luck [11:13] daubers: good luck dude [11:14] * MartijnVdS is off to the stores for a bit [11:14] MartijnVdS: enjoy :) [11:15] Morning davmor2 [11:16] Morning people [11:16] morning bigcalm [11:16] czajkowski: prod! [11:16] davmor2: poke [11:16] morning davmor2 [11:16] yay czajkowski is broken took long enough :P [11:16] Morning MooDoo [11:18] how are you davmor2 ? [11:18] czajkowski: you were doing so well [11:19] I made it to march [11:20] Will you now need to make up for lost time? [11:22] poor nights sleep shall go back to being normal again [11:22] Morning all o/ [11:24] MooDoo: still recovering from the trip to the big smoke yesterday [11:24] * AlanBell will be in London tomorrow evening [11:25] with TheOpenSourcerer and the other UK OpenERP partners [11:29] h, very nice [11:29] what for? [11:29] meeting, planning, new project? [11:33] beer :) [11:33] is there some app which lets you pick a mirror and setup your /etc/apt/sources.list file? [11:34] iclebyte: there is something that picks your closest mirror and sets it all up for you [11:34] software-sources has a button for that [11:34] AlanBell, what is the utility called? [11:34] is it a dpkg util ? [11:34] it is in software-sources [11:35] as gord mentioned :) [11:35] in synaptic? [11:35] there must be a command line util [11:35] no, you can get to it without going via synaptic [11:35] how? [11:35] (server [11:35] ) [11:36] you could write a script that pings all the mirrors and then chooses the one with the lowest ping if you really wanted to do it command line [11:37] no worries, i thought there was a utility as a standard part of dpkg [11:37] thanks anyway [11:38] i did that gord ☺ [11:39] iclebyte: Just use gb.archive.ubuntu.com :P [11:58] What's for lunch? [11:59] i think the big ploughmans sammich from the shop down the road, that thing is nice [12:00] * popey ponders lunch also [12:02] did someone say lunch? [12:02] I haz chocolate cake [12:02] I had chocolate cake... [12:02] Curried beans? [12:02] * popey ponders [12:03] Cheese & Marmite on toast [12:04] TheOpenSourcerer: That sounds good, although would be better without the Marmite & toast [12:04] TheOpenSourcerer: You're a sick sick man [12:04] for some reason I really fancy a pot noodle [12:04] What? [12:05] ^^ davmor2 [12:05] TheOpenSourcerer: Ruining cheese with Marmite [12:05] That's a great combination. [12:05] You should try it sometime ;-) [12:06] TheOpenSourcerer: No Marmite makes feel sick before it close to my gob :D [12:06] TheOpenSourcerer: You're welcome to love it but I'm firmly in the hate camp [12:06] i have only had marmite once [12:06] shortly after coming to the uk [12:07] i assumed it was chocolate spread (well, it was brown and on toast..) [12:07] my tastebuds went into shock [12:07] christel: that's okay theres room over here in the Hate camp :) [12:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe5gNEiUxMk [12:08] for gord [12:08] davmor2: yay! [12:08] davmor2: I have vanilla shortbread for the hate camp ;) [12:08] *afk for a few minutes* [12:09] MartijnVdS: haha, you're definitely in then :) [12:40] mmm - cheese on toast, marmite and tomato puree :-D [12:40] nom [12:41] TheOpenSourcerer: there is a reason that Ketchup, brown sauce and Branston Pickle were invented :P [12:47] so that northerners would eat some fruit and vegetables? [12:48] hah [12:48] popey: this from the man who snook off and made a advert in las vegas and never told anyone :P [12:49] i have no idea what you're talking about (again) [12:49] you're so money supermarket [12:50] and subtly changing your name to Brian so we won't think it's you ;) [12:52] popey: http://www.thedrum.co.uk/news/2012/01/06/moneysupermarket-launches-new-epic-ad-set-las-vegas (In case you've not seen it) [12:52] popey: the thing that made me laugh was the first time my wife saw it she went that looks like whatsit from uds, me: who Popey, Wifey: Yes that's the one :D [12:53] i refuse to accept it exists [12:56] Gotta say, I'd not seen the likeness before [12:56] But now I completely can [12:56] I think he looks more like dotwaffle [12:57] so.. popey == dotwaffle?! [12:58] come to think of it.. I've never seen them together in the same room [12:59] Haha. I had not seen that ad before. [13:00] I've seen a photo of dotwaffle and popey in the same room, but I think it was photoshopped because of some of the pixels [13:01] popey, retort http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=WlD2X0kYkxo [13:15] I've even talked to both in the same event [13:38] yo [13:38] I'm going ipv6 at home (or at least I want to) [13:42] I'm with sky broadband, any tips on routers .etc? [13:43] lolsky [13:43] was that a russion lol, or lol sky [13:44] lol sky [13:46] ipv6 on sky? yeah, not happening [13:50] andylockran: No, that's лол. [13:55] I've set up a tunnel to just my laptop [13:55] was thinking of asking for a 54 from my hosting provider and setting up my own tunnel through to home - just wasn't sure what to use as the endpoint at home. [14:00] is teredo a bad idea for a 'roaming' machine? [14:00] * MartijnVdS gets a /48 routed to home [14:47] http://paste.ubuntu.com/873082/ What do you expect this bit of PHP to do? [14:48] echo 'true', but I'm guessing this is a trick question [14:49] dwatkins: do you have PHP installed on a handy machine to run it? [14:49] Why would you expect it to echo 'true' ? [14:49] bigcalm: yeah, not sure how to run it from the command line, but I could put that into some html I guess [14:49] If you have php-cli installed, you'd run it with php file.php [14:50] I did that, seems to output the entire file, bigcalm [14:51] Oh, add dwatkins: you need a aha, thanks folks [14:51] I have to remove the anything not in tags is assumed to be text to be echoed. But you don't need the closing ?> any more and it's a bit frowned upon now [14:51] ok, I get 'true' running that on BSD. [14:51] since if there's linebreaks after it it can cause problems when you try to edit headers [14:51] Right, why does it return true? [14:52] because the strings/numbers are equivalent [14:52] They aren't [14:52] well, == is an arithmetic comparison, not a string comparison [14:52] haha, good point [14:52] Look at the last digit [14:52] I see [14:52] I did wonder why it worked when I used === [14:52] so it might be that they're casted to strings by the 's and then both are true. [14:52] they're not arithmetically equivalent though [14:52] * BigRedS doesn't do php [14:52] bigcalm: I expect it to break maxint and therefore be true. [14:52] * dwatkins wondered if it was a rounding error [14:53] aha [14:53] Between 2 channels I have learnt a little more. Cheers :) [14:55] I'd be interested to know the issue [15:12] hard to get work done when it looks so nice outside [15:23] work fixed that for me by not having windows [15:25] the thinkpad is nice and portable and has lots of battery life, maybe i'll be able to get some coding done at the park in the sun this year ;) === mrevell_ is now known as mrevell [15:29] "You bought me a laptop, I thought you *wanted* me to go to the park all day!" [15:48] howdy [15:53] Thanks to htop, I found that I had installed drizzle and forgotten about it. Constantly running and doing nothing. DELETED! [15:53] [15:54] BALEETED! [15:55] Was it raining on your CPU's parade? [15:56] Nope, but high enough up the list for me to notice [16:07] ncdu is better than du by way more than htop is better than top [16:13] What does nc du for you? [16:13] it's a cursesy du [16:14] so it does a du on a directory and then you go down to the one you're interested in and hit enter and it dus that dir === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:15] Most intersting [16:15] interesting [16:15] Installed but will I remember to use it? :) === AppleJ is now known as mh0 [16:19] bigcalm: probably not, you have a head and often forget to use that :P [16:20] Och, well I never [16:20] No beer for you tonight! [16:20] bigcalm: So just like normal then :) [16:22] Yep [16:23] I'm quite enjoying this 'socialising' thing [16:24] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/705007/comments/11 [16:24] Launchpad bug 705007 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity has no method to maintain properties of launchers" [Medium,Confirmed] [16:24] would be lovely if someone picked up ULE [16:25] Let's first fix the "menu doesn't show up until you move your mouse" bug [16:25] AlanBell: so now I've had time to look and all that I'll run a happy hour on the 19th of April then that is one a month for a start and also means people have time to prep for it [16:26] \o/ [16:26] yay [16:26] AlanBell: it can act as a pre-release party too :) [16:26] yup [16:27] davmor2: where were you thinking? [16:29] bigcalm: that'll be the next job [16:53] Gosh - The Landlady at my local won the Pub Pie Championship! http://www.britishpieweek.co.uk/index.php?p=be_the_face [16:54] I blame popey - he got me thinking about Pi(e) farms [16:55] Does she have a face like a pie? [16:56] That's her face [16:57] Oh, I hadn't followed the link [17:03] oh wow, my daughter has just made a laptop out of paper [17:03] * AlanBell takes photos [17:06] Cool [17:06] How old is your daughter? [17:09] 9 [17:09] https://plus.google.com/u/0/109175303602657131317/posts/cGGEd2zzCUK [17:11] AlanBell, you could totally sell this device to hipsters all over the globe [17:11] market it with "innovative stylus interaction" and ship with a ball point pen [17:11] AlanBell: that is so sweet :) [17:12] https://plus.google.com/u/0/109175303602657131317/posts/438PERhMUag video :) [17:12] AND it runs Ubuntu! [17:12] it does :) [17:12] keyboard is interesting, mostly alphabetical [17:21] * bigcalm ponders continuing work at the LUG meeting tonight [17:23] * AlanBell finds the code for the annoying and useless unity panel drop shadow [17:24] wonder what would happen if I submit a patch to remove it [17:24] People will rejoice? [17:24] AlanBell, shadow being over non active windows is not a bug, unfortunately =\ [17:25] and shadow becoming detached from top bar when using compiz enhanced zoom also isn't a bug [17:25] I could make it a ccsm setting to turn the silly thing off [17:25] don't [17:26] if you want a setting, use gsettings [17:26] isn't that the same thing that ccsm pokes at? [17:26] no [17:27] err, ok, so where is the user interface to poke gettings settings? [17:28] and won't that be confusing if most config options are in the ccsm plugin but some things are elsewhere? [17:35] AlanBell, either the appearance section of control centre or my unity - no one should be using ccsm really [17:35] myunity is a pile of fail [17:36] gambas, bad bad bad UI, any change to the plugin needs a synchronised change to myunity [17:36] appearance section of control centre would be a good place to put settings, but there isn't really a unity section [17:37] there is the zoom stuff in the accessibility section that needs to be ripped out or changed to turn on enhanced zoom because it is looking for gnome shell magnifier [17:38] is MyUnity supposed to be one config tool to bind them all, or just specific to Unity's GUI settings? [17:39] specific to the bits of unity they bother to add settings for === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [17:39] it doesn't read the XML file that lets unity declare its settings [17:39] oh [17:40] most of the source is stuff like "if os == "Ubuntu 11.04" then . . . else . . ." [17:40] automatix all over again? [17:41] it has hard-coded values? [17:41] * dwatkins looks at the calendar [17:41] the unity settings are mostly dev tools [17:41] it shouldn't just expose everything [17:41] has that sort of thing not been considered a Bad Idea for a couple decades? [17:42] dwatkins: yes, I don't get the wild support for myunity over ccsm [17:44] I'm really starting to wonder if there's any 'unity' amongst the developers, to be honest, shouldn't there be a single mechanism for applications to present their configuration data and have it modified? [17:45] I used to think things were moving towards having an XML file for configuration data in the home directory or a specific location in /etc for each application or service which made this accessible. [17:45] there is gconf-editor [17:45] and ccsm for compiz plugins [17:45] and dconf-editor as well now [17:45] ccsm deals with more datatypes [17:45] isn't dconf-editor the deprecated one? [17:46] gconf is old [17:46] as in, has existed forever [17:46] dconf is new but only has 3 config keys in it [17:46] maybe 4 [17:46] Why do we need a new configuration tool? [17:47] so is gsettings not the new hotness? [17:47] AlanBell: I think so [17:47] or does gsettings go with dconf-editor not gconf-editor? [17:47] dconf-gsettings-backend - simple configuration storage system - GSettings back-end [17:47] Does that answer your question? :) [17:47] so what was the old one? dsettings? [17:47] AlanBell: Gnome2 had gconf/gconf-editor [17:48] AlanBell: I have no idea where dconf fits [17:48] and gsettings -> same [17:49] gnome 3 has gsettings and dconf is the gsettings backend that it uses, thus dconf editor is used to edit it from a user perspective [17:49] you can also have other backends if you choose [17:50] then why are there only 4 items in dconf-editor? [17:50] because those are the root nodes? expand them? [17:50] MartijnVdS: I have lots of things in dconf-editor [17:51] it doesn't seem very sophisticated, not many datatypes [17:52] what kind of datatype do you need? [17:52] well "color" would be one [17:52] AlanBell, look up gvariant [17:52] it uses gvariant as its "datatype" which is quite sophisticated [17:52] keybinding would be another [17:52] yeah, I mean in the UI [17:53] there is no widget for setting them nicely [17:54] so keybindings are just strings like "Delete" [17:55] and you can type invalid stuff in like "Delete" [17:55] even though this keyboard doesn't have a wibble meta key [17:56] no... its dconf editor, not gnome-control-centre [17:57] yeah, so exposing user tweakable features means hacking the UI of gnome-control-centre [17:58] and supplying your own widgets to adjust the settings [18:38] * AlanBell thinks gnome-control centre should be replaced by ccsm === tubadaz__ is now known as tubadaz [19:38] ikonia, have you assessed ubuntu cola? [19:50] evening [19:53] Jeez - My twitter stream is full of Apple fan bois [19:54] And there's nothing decent on TV either.... [19:54] Bored. Haz beer & chocolate in fridge though [19:55] i found a new game called minetest, it is like minecraft, but actually runs on my eeepc, so i might have a play of that. [20:00] looks kinda cool :) [20:00] it is yes, takes some getting used to. [20:38] woop woop! [20:38] popey: woop? [20:39] * DJones gives half a woop to painkillers & wine [20:39] Had the go-ahead to attend UDS [20:39] which is excellent [20:40] Congrats popey [20:40] \o/ [20:40] that is woop worthy [20:40] popey: \o/ [20:41] Attending as a community person too, so can attend some sessions of my choice ☺ [20:41] not as a canonicalite? [20:42] mon-tues as a canonicalite, wed-fri as a community person [20:42] interesting arrangement [20:42] so are the community sponsorship notifications going out now? [20:42] well, i am at a sprint the week before [20:43] i am only "supposed" to be there mon-tues [20:43] decided to stay on, on my own time [20:52] .. to sing on All-Stars night [20:52] :D [20:52] maaaybe [20:54] Hm, it conflicts with http://www.nerinapallot.com/shop2/?productDetails.cfm?Basket=1@,&ProductID=1653 [20:54] which I'm already going to [21:24] * bigcalm_lappy is 4 inches away from Adam Sweet - any requests? [21:26] bigcalm_lappy: ask him where his gong is [21:37] bigcalm: ask him for the number of the 419 scammer so you can call them ;) (just looked up his last blog entry) [22:04] woo. Collectd on WRT54 pokes collectd on VPS [22:04] Tomorrow: write code to parse temp/pressure/light readings and put them in collectd [22:18] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Forums and Ask Ubuntu - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/07/ubuntu-forums-and-askubuntu/ [22:28] MartijnVdS: you like collectd? [22:29] MartijnVdS: was looking at it, but i can't install the agent on my hosts, so i'm limited to snmp === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [23:33] hi [23:35] hello [23:35] is this working [23:36] hi