[00:09] <lighta> hey guys, what the best app to do gantt in linux ?
[00:09] <knome> !best
[00:10] <GridCube> lighta, i like openproject
[00:11] <GridCube> its java based tho, but it does its work
[00:11] <lighta> I don't really best knome just some few advice, ok GridCube I'll try, I tryed gantproject, but look it miss few option
[00:12] <lighta> or I didn't found them yet
[00:12] <knome> lighta, well, the question clearly was "what is the best...". sorry about the factoid tone though, i'm trying to make it a bit more friendly...
[00:12] <lighta> can he export/import ms project as well ?
[00:13] <GridCube> lighta, no, i don't think it can
[00:13] <GridCube> lighta, http://sourceforge.net/projects/openproj/
[00:13] <lighta> (already downloading it hehe)
[00:13] <GridCube> oops, it says it does on their page
[00:13] <GridCube> so apparently it does
[00:18] <lighta> wow produce wbs and such awesoem
[00:27] <GridCube> lighta, :)
[00:30] <neil__> anyone else have the problem in 11.10  where thunar's first launch takes several seconds?
[00:31] <knome> neil__, unfortunately, that's how it is
[00:32] <neil__> knome: I can't find a ppa for it, but the latest version of thunar fixed this bug
[00:33] <neil__> hmm, my arch install has the same version but without the bug
[00:33] <knome> it's most probably going to be fixed in 12.04, if that's possible :)
[00:34] <neil__> Hopefully, wouldn't want a long term that takes 20 sec to open thunar, do you know the source of the problem
[00:36] <knome> nope
[00:36] <knome> well, 20 secs is exaggerated
[00:37] <neil__> Not on an old Pentium IV era computer
[00:37] <knome> probably not, but then again, other things take longer too
[00:38] <neil__> however, xfce targets these older computers (older the P4)
[00:39] <knome> neil__, mmmh, well, that's interpretation. it's lightweight, but nobody promises it works on ancient toasters.
[00:39] <knome> neil__, also, you have to remember xubuntu !== xfce
[00:39] <knome> neil__, you most probably will get better results with xfce on top of some lighter base OS
[00:39] <knome> neil__, better as in faster
[00:40] <neil__> true
[00:40] <knome> so it's all really relative. i'm hoping to get the issue fixed whatsoever. :)
[00:40] <neil__> however Xubuntu is easy for my mom when at school, it would be quite a sight to see her on arch
[00:43] <GridCube> neil__, there is a pretty effective workaround
[00:43] <GridCube> neil__, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/775117
[00:43] <GridCube> see post 13
[00:44] <GridCube> knome, 20 seconds seems pretty accurate
[00:50] <neil__> ubottu: that error no longer is accurate as the launch error is no longer displayed
[00:51] <lighta> hey Grid sorry to bother but just quick question, how can I represent activities ? (I mean an activity is a set of task)
[00:55] <neil__> Gridcode: that works! thanks
[01:01] <GridCube> people, use autocomplete with tab :/
[01:02] <knome> GridCube, heh :)
[01:02] <knome> GrabCook: actually, what did you say?
[01:02] <GridCube> lighta, when editing a new taks you can add more task into it, cant remember how, been a while since i last use it
[01:02] <GridCube> gnome, nothing
[01:02] <GridCube> oooooo wait its k
[01:03] <lighta> hmm ok looking desperatly for that atm
[01:03] <GridCube> i remember it was pretty easy
[01:03] <knome> CrapGuy2: okay
[01:03] <knome> wait, i mistyped...
[01:03] <GridCube> XD
[01:03] <lighta> oh yeah found something !
[01:04] <GridCube> oh mister knone, youre fun
[01:04] <knome> GirlCool: you too!! a/s/l?
[01:05] <knome> i think we need to stop... :)
[01:05]  * knome goes to bed
[01:05] <knome> have a nice day/night!
[01:06] <GridCube> lighta, use indentation
[01:06] <GridCube> if you indentate a task it will become part of the upper task
[01:07] <GridCube> lighta, also you can drag and drop on tho follow the other
[01:09] <lighta> ye I found that GridCube, still I don't found it handy hehe !
[01:11] <lighta> ok from wbs yes way more easier
[01:12] <GridCube> lighta, i guess it needs to get use to it, i just used it for a university project and our teacher recommended it, so i just used it once :P for like 5 hours
[01:13] <lighta> haha that exactly what i'm using it for but he didn't recomand any, I just wanted to try other stuff then ms-proj
[01:14] <lighta> I'll probably take more than 5h to integrate all my wbs rbs and such still xd
[03:31] <uofm49426> question my video card is opengl 4.1 but nvidia driver in xubuntu tells me 1.4
[03:32] <uofm49426> is it just not implaymted yet
[03:33] <uofm49426> is it just not implemented yet
[03:33] <uofm49426> sorry
[03:51] <uofm49426> what is the xubuntu 11.10  verson of sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:54] <Unit193> sudo service lightdm stop
[15:08]  * milan says Hello
[15:08] <milan> help?
[15:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> milan, whats the question
[15:10] <milan> I dont have sound in some games, new to linux so... (11.10)
[15:11] <milan> I think I may have turned off sound card using terminal once
[15:11] <G__81> i have few problems with my xubuntu
[15:12] <WhereIsMySpoon> milan, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870596 try this
[15:12] <TheSheep> G__81: tell us about your problems
[15:12] <hobgoblin> G__81: what are the few problems then
[15:12] <G__81> i installed xubuntu desktop and then i wanted to try kubuntu so installed kubuntu and then didnt like it,removed it using a command which i pasted from a website. That command invariably had sudp apt-get install ubuntu which i didnt want and it got executed and it had unity.
[15:13] <G__81> I uninstalled ubuntu by doing sudo apt-get autoremove ubuntu-desktop and everything got removed. Now i see in the lightGDM one option called Ubuntu2D. How do i remove those packages ?
[15:13] <WhereIsMySpoon> G__81, www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[15:13] <hobgoblin> G__81: I'd do that ^^ first
[15:14] <hobgoblin> but if 2d is still there - remove the packages with synaptic
[15:15] <hobgoblin> and removing ubuntu-desktop will not remove any of the packages installing ubuntu-desktop brings
[15:15] <G__81> how do i remove ubuntu2d now
[15:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> G__81, follow the instructions on that link
[15:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> then if that doesnt help ask again hre
[15:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> here
[15:18] <G__81> this is what i get
[15:18] <G__81> http://paste.ubuntu.com/873110/
[15:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> G__81, what command did you use for that
[15:25] <G__81> WhereIsMySpoon, i copied and pasted what was given there
[15:26] <G__81> i just want to remove that Ubuntu2D thats it
[15:26] <G__81> nothing much
[15:33] <G__81> ?
[15:33] <G__81> how do i remove Ubuntu2d ? whats the package to remove Ubuntu2D
[15:33] <bazhang> unity-2d?
[15:33] <ThePendulum> Where's that Why do you want to remove it?
[15:34] <ThePendulum> Without the "Where's that", that is
[15:34] <G__81> bazhang, yes
[15:34] <bazhang> !find unity-2d
[15:34] <bazhang> G__81, so remove them
[15:37] <G__81> bazhang, oh thanks a lot. removed them let me try whether its seen in the LightGDM
[15:39] <G__81> Unity2d is removed i see Ubuntu as an option
[15:39] <G__81> so to remove Unity is apt-get remove Unity is enough ?
[15:40] <bazhang> no
[15:40] <bazhang> G__81, why do you need to remove it
[15:42] <G__81> i nstalled xubuntu and i just want that and LXDE, thats it nothing much
[15:42] <G__81> I dont want the Unity stuff, which is just taking space
[15:42] <bazhang> !purexfce
[15:43] <bazhang> G__81, see link above then
[15:52] <hans_w> hello
[15:52] <hans_w> im on 256 mb ram
[15:52] <hans_w> is it enough for xubuntu?
[15:53] <knome> well, you might be able to run, but don't expect it to be fast
[15:53] <hans_w> =[
[15:53] <ThePendulum> Why are you on 256mb ram?
[15:53] <ThePendulum> It is enough, but indeed quite low
[15:53] <hans_w> how can i see how much ram i have btw?
[15:55] <hans_w> oh i have 433 mb
[15:55] <ThePendulum> command line: free -m
[15:55] <hans_w> it says
[15:55] <ThePendulum> You have 512mb
[15:55] <hans_w> is 433 mb ram enough
[15:55] <ThePendulum> Yeah, it'll run
[15:55] <hans_w> ThePendulum:  how did you know?
[15:55] <ThePendulum> hans_w: Because you can't get 433MB of ram, lol
[15:55] <knome> ThePendulum, no, actually you can.
[15:56] <ThePendulum> Eh, explain?
[15:56] <hans_w> uhm so maybe i have 256 mb with 256 mb swap on the hdd?
[15:56] <ThePendulum> RAM works with powers of 2
[15:56] <hans_w> it says 433 mb here hardware
[15:56] <ThePendulum> 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 2048 4096 8192
[15:56] <knome> ThePendulum, well, not exactly that, but shared stuff or course.
[15:56] <knome> ThePendulum, yes, but you can have between 256 and 512.
[15:57] <ThePendulum> Yeah, using 256MB and 128MB
[15:57] <ThePendulum> But that still won't get you 433MB :|
[15:57] <knome> no. but it might be a weird assembly. that's how many pc's were in the old days
[15:57] <ThePendulum> My RAM is 7997MB, says Ubuntu
[15:58] <ThePendulum> It's basically 8192MB
[15:58] <ThePendulum> Also, 'free -m' tells actual RAM and SWAP apart
[15:58] <WhereIsMySpoon> so is is prolly 484
[15:58] <WhereIsMySpoon> *his
[15:58] <ThePendulum> "grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo" gets you an even better result
[15:59] <WhereIsMySpoon> 3996504 for me
[15:59] <ThePendulum> 4GB
[15:59] <knome> hans_w, anyway, with 433, it's going to be a tad faster. don't expect a rocket though :)
[16:00] <ThePendulum> hans_w: Why won't you upgrade it?
[16:00] <hans_w> itś not my laptop i borrowed it
[16:00] <ThePendulum> 2001 IBM?
[16:00] <hans_w> it has an amd sempron 2800+
[16:00] <knome> ThePendulum, let's rather concentrate on how to go with that, not how to fix the metaissue :)
[16:00] <hans_w> nah not that old
[16:01] <ThePendulum> Well, at least 2007 or older
[16:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> :p
[16:01] <ThePendulum> Anyway
[16:01] <hans_w> im running xubuntu  now it runs decent
[16:01] <ThePendulum> Yes, Xubuntu will run, perhaps with a few hicks and clicks
[16:01] <hans_w> but a tad slow
[16:01] <ThePendulum> ^
[16:01] <knome> should be fine with one app at a time
[16:01] <knome> and maybe consider some other browser than firefox
[16:01] <hans_w> lol ye
[16:01] <hans_w> like chrome?
[16:02] <ThePendulum> Install IE, will work
[16:02] <hans_w> IE??
[16:02] <knome> or epiphany
[16:02] <knome> or midori
[16:02] <hans_w> so chrome is not good enough?
[16:03] <ThePendulum> Chrome is quite memory-intensive if you have only 512mb available
[16:03] <knome> hans_w, you'd have to check and see if it's reasonable for you
[16:04] <hans_w> ok ty
[16:05] <ThePendulum> Why does Xfce require ', Hidden=True' to 'remove' a menu item, rather than just removing it?
[16:05] <hans_w> i need this laptop for browsing, reading pdfś and doing some wordprocessing, can i run those apps for those purposes simultaneously/?
[16:06] <ThePendulum> And when I hide them, why do they show up between my other menu list? -_-
[16:06] <knome> hans_w, won't be very fast i suppose
[16:06] <hans_w> oh ok
[16:06] <ThePendulum> hans_w: A lot of modern websites will have a bit of an issue, and PDFs will take a while to load. With 512mb, you may experience the classic "waiting, waiting, waiting... HOP there's my line" while wordprocssing
[16:06] <ThePendulum> *processing
[16:07] <hans_w> knome:  so would a dell mini laptop be sufficient for that?
[16:07] <hans_w> the atom 1,6 with 1 gb ddr ram
[16:07] <hans_w> i was thinking about getting one for the library
[16:07] <ThePendulum> That would certainly be an improvement
[16:08] <hans_w> or should i just get a laptop?
[16:08] <hans_w> for those purposes
[16:08] <ThePendulum> The hardware you're discussing here is all rather old
[16:08] <hans_w> yep
[16:08] <hans_w> it is
[16:08] <ThePendulum> It will certainly work, but you just need a lot of patience
[16:08] <ThePendulum> We can't decide for you
[16:08] <hans_w> ye i know and maybe i dont have that kind of patience
[16:08] <ThePendulum> Then you should get yourself a new laptop
[16:10] <knome> hans_w, i have a eeepc 4G with 512 MB ram and intel celeron M353, and it's fine for one app per time, but for multitasking, it's slow
[16:10] <hans_w> ye
[16:10] <knome> 1GB ram is way better already, that might work out :)
[16:11] <knome> or probably will do just fine
[16:11] <knome> more is always more...
[16:11] <ThePendulum> You'll notice improvements up to about 4GB, depending on what you're doing with it
[16:14] <knome> ThePendulum, s/4GB/infinite/
[16:14] <ThePendulum> hm?
[16:14] <knome> ThePendulum, i mean, run something in vbox with 4GB assigned ram, and you're at 0GB with 4GB :)
[16:15] <knome> then if you have 8GB, run two things in vbox with 4GB assigned ram and you're again at 0GB
[16:15] <knome> ;)
[16:15] <ThePendulum> I don't usually run 2 things simultaneously in vbox, lol
[16:16] <knome> i sometimes do
[16:16] <ThePendulum> I only use virtual machines for OS experimentations and tuts
[16:16] <knome> i've 8GB ram, and i use win in vbox with 4GB (for work), and then i sometimes need to run a linux os in another vbox
[16:16] <hans_w> going to try out midori thanks for the help and advise
[16:17] <knome> hans_w, no problem. good luck
[16:17] <knome> hmpf.
[16:17] <ThePendulum> I am running 4GB as well, and I run Windows 8 in a vbox, but if I need Linux I just switch back to Ubuntu? :P
[16:18] <ThePendulum> Or just assign less than 4GB to the vbox
[16:18] <hans_w> ok back
[16:19] <hans_w> seems to be lighter yes
[16:19] <hans_w> thanks
[16:19] <knome> ThePendulum, i personally can't assign less. i need to work with large files in photoshop in vbox, so anything under 4GB is too little :)
[16:19] <knome> hans_w, np. good luck & enjoy :)
[16:20] <hans_w> abiword is light right?
[16:21] <knome> hans_w, lighter than libreoffice writer, yes
[16:23] <hans_w> the dell inspiron duo looks interesting
[16:24] <hans_w> itś a tablet/laptop rolled into one interesting formfactor
[16:24] <hans_w> midori is a netscape fork?
[16:25] <knome> hans_w, afaik no, but it uses webkit
[16:26] <hans_w> i see it has netscape plugins in the panel
[16:26] <hans_w> so it might me wonder
[16:26] <hans_w> made*
[16:28] <hans_w> midori + abiword 152 mb of ram used
[16:28] <hans_w> firefox was slowing me down earlier what a leaking beast of memory that browser has become
[16:28] <knome> hans_w, but that's just launched, not any work done?
[16:28] <hans_w> lol
[16:28] <hans_w> ye
[16:28] <hans_w> 1 tab and no work done
[16:28] <knome> well, firefox beats midori featurewise any day
[16:28] <hans_w> :)
[16:30] <WhereIsMySpoon> ye firefox is a horrible memory leak
[16:30] <WhereIsMySpoon> :p
[16:31] <hans_w> =p
[16:31] <hans_w> it is when you dont have memory to spare
[16:31] <hans_w> on my mac i have like 8 gb of ram so there itś no issue
[16:31] <WhereIsMySpoon> hehe yea
[18:08] <Shown> hi
[18:08] <Shown> i've downloaded the desktop cd
[18:09] <Shown> the laptop cd drive isn't working, i read i can install it from usb, how?
[18:09] <bazhang> using unetbootin
[18:09] <bazhang> !unetbootin
[18:10] <Shown> thanks
[18:30] <MeXTuX> I found a script to add thumbnail support to chm files http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1159569 Is there something like that for XFCE???
[21:36] <hans_w> hello again
[21:37] <hans_w> so may i ask something?
[21:37] <hans_w> how come xp runs faster on my old hardware than xubuntu?
[22:20] <no-name-> how can I get the volume control (and everything to the right of it) to live on the right-hand side of the panel, and still be able to add launchers to the direct right of the applications menu? http://postimage.org/image/pmeztvmtj/
[22:30] <recon_lap>  no-name-: add a separator to the tool bar, then position it
[22:32] <no-name-> recon_lap: thanks :)
[23:06] <ThePendulum> Does Xubuntu really need 4GB of SWAP space?
[23:21] <lighta> depend ThePendulum, need is abstract I'd say, I tryed to compare 2 huge bin, I was glad to have such a big swap cause my ram was satured long ago
[23:27] <ThePendulum> Allright, thanks