[01:44] <ColonelPanic001> hi
[01:51] <snap-l> howdy
[01:57] <rick_h_> snap-l: all_true = [key for key, val in some_dict.iteritems() if val]
[02:03] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l: a game of Go soon. I haven't forgotten.
[02:05] <rick_h_> widox: dude!!!
[02:05] <snap-l> busted!
[02:05] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Definitely
[02:05] <rick_h_> widox: where are you hacking on your vim config at?
[02:08] <widox> uughhhh
[02:08] <widox> home
[02:08] <widox> no car tonight :(
[02:08] <rick_h_> widox: ah, gotcha
[02:09] <rick_h_> saw your vim commit on my rss feed and was like wtf!
[02:09] <widox> :)
[02:10] <widox> not as fun at my apt. although, my couch is more comfortable
[02:16] <ColonelPanic001> okay, who's "demeris", or something like that?
[02:16] <ColonelPanic001> someone just came up and was asking about CHC
[02:16] <ColonelPanic001> said they told her about it.
[02:18] <widox> ColonelPanic001: dunno
[02:20] <ColonelPanic001> just curious
[02:21] <widox> does that bring Downriver CHC up to 3 now?
[02:25] <ColonelPanic001> tonight it does
[02:25] <ColonelPanic001> good luck for her - we haven't been meeting for a month or so
[02:25] <ColonelPanic001> just been busy, etc
[02:42] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: THere was one person that showed up once at the MH CHC
[02:44] <snap-l> Send them our way. :)
[03:05] <jrwren> rick_h_: what do you use distribute for?
[03:06] <jrwren> ooh, flake8 looks cool... its like lint for python
[03:22] <brousch> Distribute is for installing modules
[03:39] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, flake8 is a mix of pep8 and pyflakes
[03:39] <rick_h_> both are packages to run lint/code sanity aginst your stuff
[03:39] <rick_h_> jrwren: distribute is something of a middle between setup tools and packaging (in 3.3)
[03:48] <rick_h_> ok, how can I force something to return a return code of 0
[03:49] <rick_h_> I'm trying jshint bookie/static/js/bookie/* extensions/chrome_ext/chrome.js --jslint-reporter 1>jslint.out 2>/dev/null
[03:49] <rick_h_> but returns a 1
[03:51] <rick_h_> nvm, just || true it
[12:01] <rick_h_> morning
[12:02] <rick_h_> bah, now ec2 adds a medium box
[12:02] <rick_h_> after I've got one year paid plans for the two smalls :/
[12:23] <snap-l> rick_h_: Lovely. :)
[12:23] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning from the NOrth
[12:27] <snap-l> Hello from down-state. :)
[13:01] <jrwren> morning!
[13:01] <jrwren> ooh... medium eh?  I need to check out hte specs.
[13:13] <snap-l> Had a quickie power blip
[13:14] <rick_h_> ouch
[13:16] <brousch> solar flare or wind?
[13:17] <snap-l> At least it isn't like Belleville, where a dip like that meant we had to boil water for the next few days.
[13:17] <snap-l> brousch: I'm thinking wind
[13:17] <snap-l> but it might be solar flare
[13:18] <brousch> I went to Lansing yesterday for a Django meeting. There was also a group of developers from owosso there. that was unexpected
[13:18] <brousch> they were from http://www.covenanteyes.com/about-covenant-eyes/careers/current-openings/
[14:34] <jrwren> zomg, i should go to django meeting!
[14:36] <brousch> you should?
[14:36] <jrwren> yes, I'm doing django
[14:36] <jrwren> reading a book right now
[14:37] <jrwren> apress
[14:37] <jrwren> "the definitive guide"
[14:37] <jrwren> gotta become django guru ASAP
[14:37] <snap-l> Whic definitive guide?
[14:37] <jrwren> got it running in my venv no problem yesterday, without ever escalting priv.
[14:37] <jrwren> so far, so good.
[14:37] <snap-l> it's been through several revisions.
[14:37] <brousch> jrwren: i can help a bit
[14:38] <snap-l> jrwren: You shouldn't have to sudo to run python code. :)
[14:38] <snap-l> This isn't Ruby.
[14:40] <jrwren> snap-l: exactly!
[14:40] <jrwren> rick said he does sudo to get his venv going.
[14:40] <jrwren> but i was glad that I didn't even have to do that.
[14:40] <jrwren> "The definitiive guide to Django web development done right" 2009
[14:40] <jrwren> its fine so far.
[14:41] <jrwren> i'm already seeing big diffrences from rails and even TG
[14:41] <jrwren> but nothing terrible.
[14:41] <brousch> sudo for venv?
[14:41] <brousch> that doesn't make sense
[14:43] <jrwren> to install it.
[14:43] <brousch> ah, i actually just run it without installing it
[14:44] <jrwren> every install method i found on web said "sudo easy_install virtualenv"
[14:44] <jrwren> but I didn't awnt to do that.
[14:44] <brousch> python3.2 ../Tools/virtualenv-1.7/virtualenv.py --distribute venv
[14:45] <brousch> you just need to unzip it and then you can use it like that
[14:45] <jrwren> that is pretty much what I did :)
[14:45] <brousch> also how i use it on dreamhost
[14:45] <rick_h_> jrwren: you can do it tons of ways, I just do that so that I've now got a system virtualenv command
[14:45] <rick_h_> jrwren: you can download a single virtualenv.py file and add it to your personal bin dir or whatever you want
[14:45] <rick_h_> tons of ways to do it actually
[14:46] <jrwren> yup.
[14:46] <jrwren> i was just looking for the way I wanted, and I didn't see it out there much.
[14:47] <brousch> i do it that way becaue it's annoying to install it for all the versions of python. i use the same script for all versions
[16:41] <rick_h_> ok, ups man has another 1.5hrs to get his butt here!
[16:41] <rick_h_> where's gps tracking when you need it? "oh he's down the street! /me hops on bike"
[16:41] <brousch> what essential thing did you order over the internet that you need before you flight this time?
[16:42] <rick_h_> new keyboard I want to take with me
[16:42] <rick_h_> made room in my carry on and everything
[16:42] <rick_h_> thought I ordered overnight shipping, but ended up shipping two day...so ... waiting on the day of the flight
[16:42] <rick_h_> guess "expidited overpriced shipping" !== 'overnight'
[16:43] <brousch> you're bringing a whole keyboard?
[16:43] <rick_h_> brousch: I will if it arrives
[16:43] <brousch> did you pack your 30" monitor too?
[16:43] <rick_h_> I'm going to be there a week
[16:43] <Scott_firebeta> apple keyboard?
[16:43] <rick_h_> no, but i did pack a folding laptop stand thingy
[16:44] <rick_h_> and an external mouse
[16:44] <rick_h_> and two power cords
[16:44] <brousch> you could box up your desk and have it delivered to your room
[16:44] <rick_h_> I think sprints would go better if I could do my standing desk
[16:44] <rick_h_> definitely
[16:45] <rick_h_> I'm going for a week, might as well be comfy :)
[16:46] <brousch> i would lean towards portability
[16:46] <rick_h_> I am, everything is carry on.
[16:47] <rick_h_> laptop is only 12" very portable
[16:47] <brousch> the less i have to lug around the better
[16:47] <rick_h_> I'm bringing shorts just to make more room!
[16:47] <brousch> going commando too?
[16:47] <rick_h_> that would save some space...hmmmm
[16:47] <brousch> sandals or water shoes?
[16:47] <rick_h_> the big thing is socks, I like this big cushy socks and they take up a ton of space when you pack 7 days of them
[16:48] <brousch> wear your vibram toefingers things
[16:48] <rick_h_> I never got those, but might have to try that out I guess. Would leave a lot more space
[16:48] <brousch> maybe it was greg-g
[16:49] <rick_h_> jcastro:
[16:50] <brousch> i love that you made room in your luggage for a keyboard at the expense of pants
[16:50] <rick_h_> I have priorities, and have missed shorts season
[16:51] <brousch> bring 1 shirt?
[16:52] <rick_h_> no, but do plan on getting at least two there, so I didn't bring the full week's worth :)
[16:53] <brousch> golf clubs?
[16:53] <rick_h_> heh, nope
[17:00] <ColonelPanic001> <3 club metal episodes
[17:01] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Awesome. Glad you're enjoying them. :)
[17:01] <ColonelPanic001> "Goals" by "Dark Clan" was awesome.
[17:01] <ColonelPanic001> (I'm... a little behind)
[17:02] <brousch> instrumentalcasts ftw
[17:02] <snap-l> brousch: I have another one cooking
[17:02] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l already has a surplus of karma from me for introducing me to Cloudkicker.
[17:02] <ColonelPanic001> some of the best instrumental rock/metal evar
[17:03] <snap-l> they take longer tha CLub Metal episodes to create because while there's a lot of instrumental metal, there's not a lot of really GOOD stuff. :)
[17:03] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, I can imagine
[17:03] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Yeah, Ben is incredible.
[17:03] <ColonelPanic001> I'm amazed you get as much together in CC licensed metal as you do, frankly
[17:03] <snap-l> He's making waves in the regular community as well
[17:04] <ColonelPanic001> I've browsed through Jamendo before, etc. It's slim pickings, imho
[17:04] <ColonelPanic001> yeah? Good. He deserves it.
[17:04] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Thank you.
[17:04] <ColonelPanic001> need to get a CK shirt or somthing.
[17:04] <ColonelPanic001> just to toss some in the tip jar, so to speak
[17:06] <snap-l> Yeah, I have two, plus the last two albums on disc.
[17:06] <snap-l> Well, Beacons and Let yourself...
[17:14] <greg-g> yeah, jcastro wore his fivefingers around town, I just ran in mine
[17:14] <greg-g> brousch: ^
[17:16] <rick_h_> greg-g: http://www.google.com/maps?saddr=SFO+Long+Term+Parking,+South+San+Francisco,+CA&daddr=5101+Great+America+Parkway,+Santa+Clara,+CA+95054+(Hyatt+Regency+Santa+Clara)&hl=en&ll=37.495018,-122.172089&spn=0.321969,0.615921&sll=37.418027,-121.966953&sspn=0.080575,0.15398&geocode=FfJKPgId0VC0-CH31yU1UIDyPA%3BFZDBOgId2Me6-CFysWFW4j0UQSkFdMgQzMmPgDGRHMf011ynkQ&oq=SFO&dirflg=r&ttype=now&noexp=0&noal=0&sort=def&mra=ltm&t=m&z=11&
[17:16] <rick_h_> crap, that's the short url google?!
[17:42] <greg-g> rick_h_: yuck
[17:42] <greg-g>  but yeah, getting around down there (South Bay area) is a pain without a car
[17:42] <snap-l> I really need to give Ars Technica money
[17:43] <greg-g> I like how google has indicated where that last bus goes, doesn't even follow the roads :)
[17:43] <snap-l> they are the only new source in my RSS reader
[17:43] <snap-l> Just read the Dwolla chargeback article they had. FInally made some sense.
[17:44] <snap-l> Wow, Programming Perl 4th edition is out
[17:54] <rick_h_> greg-g: is there any transit app for the area there I should check for better flow/scheduling?
[18:05] <greg-g> Caldroid for the caltrain, not sure about Santa Clara :)
[18:07] <rick_h_> ok
[18:27] <brousch> rick_h_: you're missing the web summit?!
[18:46] <brousch> trying kubuntu 12.04 on the nook color. i am a glutton for punishment
[18:47] <snap-l> brousch: Yes, yes you are.
[18:48] <snap-l> Maverick reaches EOL next month
[18:49] <snap-l> Tuesday, April 10, 2012.
[18:49] <snap-l> (That's 10.10, for the code-name unconscious)
[18:50] <brousch> you are correct sir
[18:56] <_stink_> good thing my mom bought a windows laptop to replace the maverick machine i gave her. :P
[18:57] <snap-l> _stink_: Ugh
[18:57] <snap-l> Oh shit.
[18:57] <_stink_> it did come with a written agreement that i can no longer support her.
[18:58] <snap-l> I'm not sure if my Dad is still on Maverick
[18:58] <snap-l> I haven't unleashed Unity on them yet.
[18:58] <snap-l> Here's hoping he's still on 10.04
[18:58] <brousch> my dad has an older machine. unity did not go well
[18:58] <brousch> next time i'm over there it will be getting kde
[19:00] <greg-g> I'm confused by all of mhall's "contributing to Unity for non-developers"
[19:00] <greg-g> they ALL involve some sort of action which is normally associated with development, eg: mhall119.com/?p=894
[19:02] <brousch> greg-g: well step 1 is become a developer!
[19:08] <brousch> ug. hitting a wall. boy woke me up at 5:15 this morning
[19:17] <greg-g> brousch: I hear ya :)
[19:19] <brousch> He was making weird noises so i went in. he told me "i was just thinking about star wars. do you think it has too many characters?"
[19:20] <greg-g> awesome
[19:20] <Blazeix> so young, and already making snide remarks about jarjar.
[19:21] <brousch> he has not been exposed to 1-3 yet. i do not abuse my child
[19:22] <snap-l> Too many characters?
[19:23] <snap-l> Other than the fact that every alien that had a second of screen time now has a canonical back-story, I have no idea what he means.
[19:24] <greg-g> does god, I mean george lucas, sign off on all of those back stories? implying that he read them all?
[19:24] <brousch> i assume he has some say in the books
[19:31] <snap-l> greg-g: I'm not entirely sure
[19:32] <snap-l> I think some of that canon just sprung up, and nobody challenged it
[19:34] <snap-l> I found one book that was written soon after Episode 4 http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Splinter_of_the_Mind%27s_Eye
[19:35] <brousch> there are a gazollion books. i think my wife owns them all
[19:36] <brousch> the boba fett backstory is good
[19:36] <snap-l> Yeah, but this one was pretty non-canonical
[19:37] <snap-l> I really liked Tales of the Bounty Hunters
[19:38] <brousch> and there's one where the droids were about to take over the galaxy
[19:38] <snap-l> Haven't read too many of the rest, since they just seemed off to me.
[19:39] <snap-l> Too much subterfuge and other assorted nonsense.
[19:39] <snap-l> Reading the Wikipedia summaries for some of them just seemed like they were inventing shit just to say they could.
[19:39] <snap-l> I don't know how to explain myself very well on this. ;)
[19:41] <snap-l> The Jedi Academy felt like the end of The Who's Tommy to me
[19:56] <snap-l> rick_h_: DId the keyboard show up?
[19:58] <brousch> snap-l: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Droid_Revolution
[21:08] <snap-l> brousch: Will check that out
[21:30] <snap-l> greg-g: I can tell you exactly what the Justice Department lawsuit for eBook price collusion means
[21:30] <snap-l> greg-g: Authors still won't see shit in royalties. ;)
[21:35] <mydogsnameisrudy> have a web site that requires me to run windoes and IE  ... grrr is virtualbox my best option?
[21:36] <snap-l> mydogsnameisrudy: Yes
[21:36] <mydogsnameisrudy> bah give me something better
[21:36] <mydogsnameisrudy> ;)
[21:36] <snap-l> You could try running it in Wine
[21:36] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmmmm
[21:37] <snap-l> but if you value your time and your blood pressure, Virtualbox is your best be.
[21:37] <snap-l> bet
[21:37] <mydogsnameisrudy> not sure what they realy want .
[21:37] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok
[21:37] <mydogsnameisrudy> lol thats it
[21:37] <mydogsnameisrudy> thx
[21:37] <snap-l> np
[21:37] <greg-g> mydogsnameisrudy: not using that website is the obvious best answer, and best for your health, and morality
[21:38] <snap-l> greg-g: Let's not bring morality into this, shall we? :)
[21:38] <snap-l> otherwise we'll be talking about how ethical it is to play a DVD, and I'm not up for that
[21:38] <mydogsnameisrudy> its not an option must use the site
[21:39] <greg-g> snap-l: fine fine :) another day ;)
[21:39] <greg-g> mydogsnameisrudy: then yes, what snap-l said
[21:39] <mydogsnameisrudy> yep thx again
[21:42] <brousch> mydogsnameisrudy: but make sure you write them a nastygram
[21:50] <Milyardo> Have you tried changing your User Agent String?
[22:00] <mydogsnameisrudy> ya gained some but still will not let me in
[22:15] <snap-l> Yeah, the user agent trick is pretty much dead, as far as I can tell
[22:45] <mydogsnameisrudy> well that just sucks     reminded how much i hate windoes
[23:27] <snap-l> mydogsnameisrudy: Every day, mate.
[23:29] <snap-l> greg-g: Health Insurance is best when you don't use it.
[23:29] <snap-l> greg-g: Also, watch HSAs, as some will charge you a fee to keep your money if you don't contribute to them
[23:30] <snap-l> I have one that will eventually empty out because of admin fees
[23:30] <snap-l> I should just go on a Claritin pill party to finish it up
[23:30] <snap-l> GET ME MY ALLERGY METH
[23:32] <brousch> d00d. i think kubuntu 12.04 is actually booting
[23:32] <snap-l> IT'S A MIRACLE!
[23:32] <snap-l> Wait, you mean on the Nook, right?
[23:32] <brousch> yeah
[23:32] <snap-l> because that's pathetic otherwise.
[23:32] <brousch> :P
[23:34] <brousch> hm, maybe spoke too soon. the splash screen came up, not it's white
[23:34] <brousch> now