[06:12] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:23] <superfly> morning
[06:24] <magespawn> morning all
[06:27] <superfly> hiya magespawn
[06:29] <magespawn> what is happening today?
[06:34] <superfly> lots of stuff...
[06:34] <superfly> :-P
[06:41] <magespawn> ahhj that is always good, stops one from being bored
[06:41] <magespawn> learning how to use a server today through
[06:41] <magespawn> ssh
[06:57] <magespawn> hi back again
[07:01] <magespawn> better 
[07:03] <meesterarend> hey
[07:03] <superfly> hi meesterarend, wb magespawn
[07:03] <meesterarend> rather quiet here :)
[07:04] <magespawn> got the ssh installed now just need to set up another user on the host for my laptop
[07:04] <superfly> not much goes on early in the day... the evenings are usually busier
[07:04] <meesterarend> everyone working?
[07:04] <superfly> magespawn: have you set up SSH keypairs?
[07:04] <magespawn> not yet no
[07:04] <meesterarend> i know superfly
[07:05] <magespawn> still reading on the net
[07:06] <superfly> magespawn: ssh-keygen -t dsa
[07:07] <superfly> then ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub user@remote-host
[07:07] <superfly> if you're just using it on internal domains, you can skip the passphrase (make it empty) and then you have a password-less login to your server
[07:08] <magespawn> made a mistake just did ssh 192.168.1.xxx and not ssh username@192.168.1.xxx
[07:08] <magespawn> the first one uses the userna,e that I am logged into the laptop with
[07:09] <magespawn> username
[07:09] <magespawn> do i do the key gen from the client
[07:09] <superfly> yes
[07:10] <magespawn> i want to have a passphrase then i can ty it from outside my network using dyndns
[07:11] <superfly> magespawn: don't forget http://xkcd.com/936/
[07:12] <superfly> phew, I was about to give him a mouthful
[07:14] <magespawn> yup have read that one before
[07:34] <magespawn> superfly: apparently you can do : ssh-keygen -t dsa -b 4096 to increase the amount of bits 
[07:34] <superfly> indeed
[07:35] <magespawn>  what is the differnce between dsa and rsa in the above command?
[07:36] <magespawn> ubuntu wiki page has it as rsa.
[07:36] <superfly> they are two different of algorithms
[07:36] <magespawn> i see for the encryption 
[07:36] <superfly> rsa is the more closed of the two
[07:36] <magespawn> ahh
[07:36] <superfly> there used to be the threat of litigation, but the people who own RSA recently said that they won't sue anyone, or something like that
[07:37] <superfly> DSA is the "open source" RSA
[07:38] <magespawn> interestingly DSA is patented but that patent has been made availble worldwide royalty free
[07:39] <superfly> yeah, that's the one
[07:42] <magespawn> got this back : DSA keys must be 1024 bits
[07:53] <magespawn> according to the ssh-keygen manpage DSA can only be 1024
[08:04] <magespawn> superfly have done the keygen using rsa at 4096, now to setup dyndns
[09:12] <Kilos> sjoe, amper vergeet om môre te sê
[09:12] <Kilos> morning all
[09:12] <Kilos> hi superfly nlsthzn 
[09:12] <Kilos> aw maaz still dead
[09:12] <nlsthzn> Hello uncle Kilos 
[09:13] <magespawn> howdy kilos
[09:13] <nlsthzn> Seems you will have to make your own coffee
[09:13] <magespawn> K
[09:13] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[09:13]  * nlsthzn goes to make his own tea 
[09:13] <Kilos> lol
[09:13] <superfly> hi hi oom Kilos
[09:14] <magespawn> Kilos how is the lpi goinf?
[09:14] <magespawn> goinf
[09:14] <magespawn> going
[09:15] <Kilos> magespawn, struggling some but now got more to learn
[09:15] <Kilos> didnt you see the links yesterday
[09:16] <magespawn> no what links on the wiki?
[09:16] <Kilos> http://www.lpi.org/linux-certifications/intro-programs/linux-essentials
[09:16] <Kilos> i have at least got an LPI ID now but will see if i ever get that far as to write
[09:17] <Kilos> more manuals, books etc
[09:19]  * nlsthzn is getting far behind with LPI... need to get my backside in gear
[09:19] <magespawn> mm me too. What is an LPI ID?
[09:19] <Kilos> the monkey is very busy at the moment so you have time
[09:20] <Kilos> LPI ID is the ID thats recognised world wide
[09:20] <Kilos> and you need one to be part of them
[09:20] <magespawn> so when you have your certs people can check against that
[09:21] <Kilos> you will get them with that id on i think
[09:21] <Kilos> its like the main registry
[09:22] <magespawn> Similar to CompTIA i should imagine for A+ and such
[09:22] <Kilos> took me a while to go through all of that and find their books
[09:22] <Kilos> you can also mail them with questions/suggestions
[09:24] <Kilos> but its a good site, uses min data. maybe some python guy was involved
[09:26] <Kilos> hows ahab land nlsthzn ?
[09:26] <Kilos> you dont get cyclones there hey?
[09:27] <nlsthzn> Nope, only sand storms...
[09:27] <nlsthzn> and at the moment it is slowly heating up :(
[09:27] <Kilos> lol that doesnt help plants grow
[09:28] <Kilos> according to the tv news natal had some floods
[09:28] <nlsthzn> that sucks
[09:36] <magespawn> nothing very serious
[09:37] <Kilos> mainly squatters near rivers
[09:37] <magespawn> rivers came up but in most places no property damage
[09:37] <magespawn> most of the rural areas okay as far as i know
[09:38] <magespawn> maybe Maaz needed a holiday
[09:38] <Kilos> bots arent allowed holidays
[09:39] <Kilos> and maaz is in germany or holland methinks
[09:39] <Kilos> or works through there
[09:39] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[09:40] <Kilos> magespawn, hows the cafe doing
[09:40] <magespawn> quite at the moment need more internet cafe customers
[09:41] <Kilos> advertise
[09:41] <Kilos> dont you have a local paper
[09:41] <magespawn> have flyers going out to the local po box today
[09:41] <magespawn> have an advert in this months and last months
[09:42] <inetpro> hello Kilos
[09:42] <Kilos> thats good. they gotta be eye catching though or most peeps dump them without reading them
[09:44] <magespawn> yup so we will see, also have an idea on how to get people to pre buy internet time with specials
[09:44]  * inetpro puts the kettle on for Kilos and washes some mugs
[09:44] <Kilos> ha ha ha you my hero inetpro 
[09:45] <Kilos> inetpro, coffee please
[09:46] <inetpro> Kilos: Now now, we don't want anyone getting caffeine overdoses
[09:46] <Kilos> hehe i havent had any yet so struggling a bit
[09:47] <inetpro> Kilos: the kettle is on already
[09:47] <inetpro> and the cups are ready
[09:47] <Kilos> beer mug full please with cremora and milk
[09:47] <inetpro> Kilos: huh?
[09:47] <Kilos> and rusks on the side
[09:48] <inetpro> Kilos: Excuse me?
[09:48] <Kilos> inetpro, ytou're excused
[09:48] <Kilos> you're as well
[09:49] <inetpro> Kilos: What?
[09:49] <Kilos> fingers too fat, not enough coffee
[09:49] <Kilos> hehe
[09:50] <inetpro> Coffee's ready for Kilos
[09:50] <Kilos> inetpro, danke
[09:50] <inetpro> Kilos: Bitteschön mein Freund
[09:50] <Kilos> cute bot this
[09:53] <Kilos> magespawn, do you have a good fast connection?
[09:53] <Kilos> have they installed optic fibre cables there yet?
[09:54] <magespawn> no fibre but running a 1mbps adsl
[09:56] <Kilos> ah
[09:57] <magespawn> uncapped ftw
[09:57] <Kilos> sigh
[09:58] <Squirm> where I work, we have a 4mb uncapped line. the admin caps everyone
[09:58] <Squirm> cept me :D
[09:58] <Kilos> lol you lucky Squirm 
[09:58] <magespawn> nice then
[09:59] <magespawn> are you the admin?
[09:59] <Squirm> na
[09:59] <Squirm> I'm a lowly assistant
[09:59] <Squirm> :P
[09:59] <Squirm> maybe not lowly
[10:00] <Squirm> I have access to uncap myself though, but if I did without the admin knowing, he might not like me
[10:00] <Kilos> everyone has to start somewhere
[10:00] <Squirm> so I asked
[10:00] <Kilos> just remember knowlege is power
[10:00] <magespawn> best way to do it
[10:00] <Squirm> and now I have uncapped
[10:00] <Squirm> ^^
[10:01] <Squirm> bbiab, putting more memory in
[10:01] <magespawn> had a bit of a shock when i checked my usage for the lst 12 months
[10:01] <Kilos> Squirm, mainly windows stuff you gotta do?
[10:01] <Squirm> Kilos: unfortunately so
[10:01] <Squirm> but we're installing mint on older machines
[10:01] <Kilos> eish, sympathies
[10:02] <Squirm> looking into getting mint to authenticate with Active Directory, so we can roll those out on our domain
[10:02] <Kilos> thats a good start
[10:02] <Squirm> that's why my boss gave me 8Gb of RAM, so I could run a few VM's
[10:02] <Kilos> wow thats nice
[10:03] <Squirm> my office pc, 2.6GHz Core i5, 8Gb of RAM, 500Gb hdd
[10:03] <Kilos> lovely
[10:03] <Squirm> well, 4Gb now, need to put in the 2*4Gb now
[10:03] <Squirm> bbiab
[10:05] <magespawn> kilos my usage peaked last month at 25GB, insane
[10:05] <Kilos> wow did you download lotsa iso's or is it peeps with movies etc?
[10:06] <magespawn> not too sure did take two iso last month CentOS and Windows Developer
[10:07] <Kilos> thats under 2g
[10:08] <magespawn> i also do windows updates for people so that could use a lot
[10:08] <Kilos> ah
[10:09] <magespawn> the cent0s was the dvd so 2.6g i think
[10:09] <Kilos> oh not cds?
[10:09] <Squirm> mwhahaha
[10:10] <magespawn> i like to get both if i can but had a problem getting the cd iso
[10:11] <Kilos> wassup Squirm 
[10:13] <magespawn> and that
[10:13] <Kilos> he sounds happy about something
[10:14] <magespawn> maybe the extra speed on the pc
[10:14] <Kilos> yeah
[10:14] <Squirm> 8Gb ram
[10:14] <Squirm> ^^
[10:14] <Kilos> ram is so important
[10:30] <Squirm> inded
[10:30] <Kilos> eish tried to reinstall apparmor and synaptic said it isnt authenticated then froze the pc
[10:40] <Kilos> how can something in the repos not be authenticated
[10:40] <Kilos> is it my synaptic gone mad
[10:42] <magespawn> maybe just update first
[10:42] <magespawn> sudo apt-get update
[10:42] <Kilos> oh forgot that
[10:42] <Kilos> cant do that got 200m of updates pending
[10:43] <magespawn> there is a way to check the updates just for tha package, hold on
[10:43] <Kilos> i did apt-get-update yesterday
[10:43] <Kilos> its the upgrade i cant do
[10:44] <Kilos> maybe the prob is that synaptic sees the update but without upgrading it cant continue
[10:45] <magespawn> if you want to just do apparmor try apt-get install apparmor
[10:46] <Kilos> ok will try ty
[10:46] <Kilos> no man
[10:46] <magespawn> that should update to the latest
[10:46] <Kilos> apt-get will say its already installed
[10:46] <Kilos> aptitude can do a reinstall and does the upgrading
[10:47] <Kilos> dont you use aptitude magespawn 
[10:48] <Kilos> i think apt-get needs --reinstall at the end
[10:51] <magespawn> just been getting used to using comman line on the server i just set up
[10:51] <magespawn> i get most of the info from the web
[10:51] <Kilos> oh dont they have aptitude
[10:52] <Kilos> first thing i do onna new install is install aptitude
[10:52] <magespawn> not sure all the website that i saw were using apt-get
[10:53] <Kilos> yeah it seems inetpro and superfly know better
[10:53] <Kilos> i like aptitude
[10:53] <magespawn> they have more experience 
[10:53] <inetpro> huh?
[10:54] <Kilos> inetpro, aptitude vs apt-get
[10:54] <nlsthzn> apt-get has super cow powers
[10:54]  * inetpro scrolls up a few meters to read more
[10:54] <Kilos> lol
[10:55] <Kilos> aptitude worked with apparmor magespawn 
[10:55] <Kilos> its my synaptic thats doff
[10:57]  * inetpro prefers the all in one functionalities in aptitude
[10:58] <Kilos> aptitude rocks
[10:58] <magespawn> from what i have just read on the net aptitude is a more complete one stop manager
[10:58] <inetpro> just sad that it's not installed by default
[10:58] <inetpro> it's always the first thing I install
[10:58] <Kilos> only one later releases you have to manually install it
[10:59] <Kilos> hmm i type to slow
[11:02] <magespawn> going to get lunch see you in a bit
[11:02] <Kilos> i go make chilli bites bbl
[11:03] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[12:31] <Kilos> inetpro, storm op pad
[12:33] <Kilos> baie donner min reen
[12:41] <magespawn> back from lunch
[12:41] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[12:42] <magespawn> ty
[12:42] <magespawn> all sunshine here
[12:43] <Kilos> magespawn, look at debdelta might even work for faster upgrades
[12:43] <Kilos> saves data for mobile connection users
[12:44] <Kilos> wish i knew about it 2 years ago
[12:45] <magespawn> will have a look although i generally use my adsl
[12:46] <Kilos> yes but i was thinking seeing as it does do the full package download everytime it might be faster as well
[12:53] <Kilos> i mean doesnt download full packages
[12:53] <magespawn> have just read the web page only get the changes
[12:53] <Kilos> yeah thats great hey
[12:58] <Kilos> be back tnite. you all be good
[14:56] <magespawn> later the wife lift is here to take me away
[17:49] <nuvolari> o/