[00:37] <knome> ScottL, you still working? :)
[02:23] <ScottL> knome, i'm home
[04:10] <len-nb> ScottL (or others) I have installed US 10.04 and now am trying to upgrade to 12.04.
[04:11] <len-nb> There does not seem to be a way of doing this. It used to be that when I put a neew iso in, a dialog would come up and ask if I wanted to upgrade to the new version (even if it was older)
[04:12] <len-nb> This no longer happens. I think it stopped happening when we went live.
[04:14] <len-nb> Opening the update manager and setting the upgrade options from only LTS to any tells me I can install 10.10... I am not thrilled with the idea of installing each version up till now by that route. There is no file I can run (that I can see) on the iso that will do an upgrade either.
[04:17] <len-nb> The only thing that would sort of do that is the part that will import home directories.... but it will only import home directories that are on another disk.
[04:18] <len-nb> That would be a fail for anyone with one disk and important data on it.
[04:40] <len-nb> all, is there supposed to be an upgrade path to 12.04? Do we have to put out an alt so people can upgrade?
[04:45] <len-nb> ubiquity can't upgrade so far as I can tell. It seems to want to:
[04:45] <len-nb> A) format a drive for it's use.
[04:46] <len-nb> B) shrink a partition so it can add a partition for itself
[04:46] <len-nb> C) let you create a partition for it to format.
[04:48] <len-nb> If there are two drives or two partitions it will copy home directories from another partition after formatting and installing.
[08:26] <knome> ScottL, :)
[13:02] <ScottL> pushed the menu icon fix to bzr
[13:02] <ScottL> it's kinda sad that my most productive time is in the morning before i get the kids up to get ready for school/day care :/
[13:02] <ScottL> work is just slaying me lately :(
[13:03] <ScottL> but i'll hopefully merge len's menu changes soon
[15:35] <len-nb> scott-work have you read the back log?
[15:37] <len-nb> I may have explained things better in email on the list.
[15:38] <len-nb> anyway, I can't upgrade to 12.04 with our live dvd iso from something else.
[15:41] <scott-work> len-nb: i saw that and have been thinking about it
[15:41] <scott-work> i do not have an answer for if this is a known problem, why it is happening, or if we can fix it
[15:42] <scott-work> the answer may very well be that we have to inform users that they will need to do a full reinstallation of the OS
[15:42] <scott-work> but i was going to poke a few people about this during tomorrow meeting with #ubuntu-release
[15:49] <astraljava> You don't usually upgrade by booting into the ISO. You insert the media while running the installed OS, then update-manager asks whether you want to use the newer archive as source for upgrade.
[15:49] <astraljava> But I have no answer to the last issue, if that was attempted as I described above.
[15:49] <len-nb> scott-work, that was the way I tried first.
[15:50] <scott-work> sorry, work computer (windows) yielded BSOD
[15:50] <len-nb> I was wondering if that was why xubuntu still has an alt cd.
[15:51] <len-nb> as well as a live
[15:51] <scott-work> len-nb: that could be a good question to micahg or knome or otherwise
[15:51] <scott-work> i'm not sure we could support both though, we barely manage to get a single image over two architectures tested
[15:52] <len-nb> I understand. shrinking your old partition and installing the new and then copying the home dirs over could work but then the drive is divided up.
[15:53] <len-nb> I am not sure if the partition can then be expanded again.
[15:54] <len-nb> It is no problem for me personally as I have a new drive to install to... or backup to.
[15:57] <len-nb> scott-work, the other question I have is if when 12.04 becomes both LT and released if I could upgrade from the net. or does the alt installer have to be available?
[16:05] <scott-work> len-nb: that i don't know, i'm not really sure how the upgrade works on a fundamental level
[16:06] <scott-work> i would expect that if the upgrade over the net (i.e. an distro upgrade notice) would work even if the user installed with the alternate image
[16:36] <astraljava> Using do-release-upgrade of course works (from LTS to LTS, too).
[16:37] <astraljava> Well, works and works. Provided that transitional packages are in order.
[17:39] <scott-work> i started to freak out and now i realize what is meant by "transitional packages", of which we do have some but i don't know if they are correct
[17:42] <scott-work> knome: can we still add content to the website while it is in staging?
[17:48] <ailo> Is Ubuntu really meant to be stable as an upgrade?
[17:48] <ailo> The option exists, but is a recommended way to install Ubuntu?
[17:50] <scott-work> i don't like upgrades myself, and i think it has been recommended in the past that a clean install is the preferred methodology for upgrading
[17:51] <ailo> I've only upgraded once myself. Personally, I always do fresh installs
[17:51] <ailo> I mean, I like to do fresh installs
[18:08] <knome> scott-work, yes, of course, in https://staging.ubuntustudio.org/
[20:31] <scott-work> knome:  how would i log into the https://staging.ubuntustudio.org/ site?  pm if necessary
[20:34] <scott-work> TheMuso: do you have an eta on when you will be able to rebase the lowlatency kernel?  and more importantly, how can i help and learn this?
[20:36] <scott-work> micahg: do you think it is too late in the cycle to create the "photography" task/seed?  would i need to file an FFe or other exception?
[20:42] <TheMuso> scott-work: started working on it yesterday, want to get it up today.
[20:43] <scott-work> oh, that's good (and bad :P )
[20:43] <scott-work> i expect that you really don't want to keep doing this and i would like to learn more about maintaining it
[20:46] <len-nb> scott-work, just so we know, the option to import home directories does not work from 10.04 either, it does work from 11.10, with 10.04 it says there are no "compatible" home directories.
[20:47] <scott-work> len-nb: interesting....
[20:47] <scott-work> len-nb: have you checked if users have -rt privileges?  i should have already
[20:48] <len-nb> scott-work, I haven't downloadedx for a few days (waiting for changes) but no rt that I have seen.
[20:48] <len-nb> I can check todays if you like.
[20:49] <TheMuso> scott-work: Unfortunately its not that easy.
[20:50] <len-nb> The directory copy thing is no big deal... if you are switching drives, the user can copy when ever... just don't copy the settings (.* files)
[20:55] <len-nb> scott-work: as of fridays iso no rt permitions.
[20:57] <scott-work> len-nb: i suppose we should check the audio.conf file (or whatever it's called) and see if it's being configured correctly (scott suspects that it is not due to ubiqutiyi not running right)
[21:14] <len-nb> scott-work, /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf still says disabled
[21:15] <scott-work> yeah, i need to follow up with colin about the ubiquity/preseed problem and see where it goes
[21:15] <scott-work> thanks for checking that
[21:23] <micahg> scott-work: you can ask in ubuntu-release, but as it's US specific, I don't think they'd object
[21:27] <scott-work> micahg: is that pertaining to ubiquity/preseeding or about the photography seeds?
[21:30] <micahg> scott-work: the photography seeds
[21:35] <scott-work> thank you :)
[21:49] <TheMuso> len-nb: You cannot upgrade using a live disk.
[21:50] <TheMuso> len-nb: THis is because all the packages are in a prebuilt live filesystem, and not debs in a repository.
[21:57] <scott-work> i wonder what would happen if you put a xubuntu alternate disc in
[22:02] <holstein> but, the upgrade online will work just fine correct?
[22:02] <holstein> TBH, i never new you could just pop in an alternate CD and upgrade using it
[22:03] <holstein> still, i think its worth it, having moved to a live CD
[22:05] <TheMuso> holstein: Online upgrades will work because you are pulling from a repository, yes.
[22:05] <holstein> TheMuso: cool
[22:16] <TheMuso> scott-work: Just running one final test build of the updated low latency kernel, and will upload if it builds and boots ok.
[22:17] <holstein> w00t!
[22:18] <scott-work> TheMuso: thank you :)
[23:28] <TheMuso> Ok, new linux-lowlatency uploaded.
[23:32] <falktx_> ha!
[23:32] <falktx_> TheMuso: I see it
[23:32] <falktx_> nice job, TheMuso, ScottL