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* skaet waves15:57
* ara waves15:57
roadmrheey!15:57
skaethiya ara,  you representing hardware certifiacation this week?15:57
araskaet, yes15:57
skaetara,  coolio,  you see the note about the new format we'll be trying?15:58
araskaet, yep;15:58
cjwatsonhi15:58
skaet:)15:58
skaethiya cjwatson15:58
* stgraber waves15:59
mdeslaurhi!15:59
pittihello15:59
ogasawarao/16:00
* skaet sees quorum gathering and says hello to all... time to start.16:00
Riddellhi16:00
gilirhi :)16:00
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arosalesHello16:00
skaet#startmeeting16:00
meetingologyMeeting started Fri Mar  9 16:00:37 2012 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.16:00
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highvoltagebonjour16:00
skaet[TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet16:01
skaetPlease remember to .. when you're done, and o/ if you want us to pause. :)16:01
skaetAgenda can be found:16:01
skaet#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-03-0916:01
skaet Individual team status links will be added to it from:16:01
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Release general overview - skaet
skaet #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/thread.html16:01
skaet.16:01
skaet Schedule is at:16:01
skaet #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule16:01
skaet #link http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/16:01
skaet.16:01
skaetThank you for your help getting Beta 1 out the door!16:01
skaetWe remain in UserInterfaceFreeze and FeatureFreeze.16:01
skaet .16:01
skaetUpcoming Dates:16:01
skaet• 2012/03/22 - Beta Freeze at 2100 UTC16:01
skaet• 2012/03/22 - DocumentationStringFreeze at 2100 UTC16:01
skaet• 2012/03/29 - Beta 216:01
skaet.16:01
skaet Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found:16:01
skaet #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html16:01
skaetBugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to specific teams, so they can be found.16:01
skaet.16:01
skaetIndividual Team Statuses Received by 1500 UTC:16:01
skaetHardware Certification - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000922.html- ara16:01
skaetQuality Assurance -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000916.html - jibel16:02
skaetSecurity team  - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000926.html - mdeslaur16:02
skaetKernel team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000917.html - ogasawara16:02
skaetFoundations - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000928.html-  cjwatson16:02
skaetServer - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000919.html- arosales16:02
skaetLinaro - no update received  - fabo16:02
skaetUbuntu One - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000927.html -  joshuahoover16:02
skaetDesktop Team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000920.html - pitti16:02
skaetUnity Framework Team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000925.html - dbarth16:02
skaetUnity Services and Settings - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000923.html - Cimi16:02
skaetKubuntu https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000932.html- Riddell16:02
skaetEdubuntu https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000918.html- stgraber or highvoltage16:02
skaetXubuntu - no update received - madnick16:02
skaetUbuntu Studio - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000931.html - scott-work16:02
skaetLubuntu  - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000929.html - gilir16:02
skaetMythbu16:02
skaethmm... looks like I hit a buffer limit there.  getting the rest..16:02
skaetMythbuntu - no update received - superm116:02
skaet.16:02
skaet[TOPIC] Question and Answer Session16:02
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faboskaet: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000935.html16:02
skaetthanks fabo.   :)16:03
faboxubuntu: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000937.html16:03
skaetI'll start it off with first question,  anyone have questions about the format for this week?16:03
* dbarth waves16:03
pittishoudl be quite a bit faster this way16:04
pittiand also encourages people to send detailled reports in time16:04
skaet:)  am hoping so.16:04
skaet..16:04
pittio/16:04
cjwatsono/16:04
skaetgo pitti16:04
pittidoes anyone know the status of packaging the lightdm greeter? micahg, gilir?16:04
Riddellworking great here, we are using it in kubuntu active16:05
gilirpitti, I know micahg was working on it, no news since some days16:05
Riddellpresumably you mean a gtk greeter16:05
pittiyes, lightdm-gtk-greeter16:05
pittiit's been NBS for months now16:06
pittior one month -- at least way longer than it ought to be16:06
gilirpitti, he's busy, I can finish the work next week16:06
cjwatsonright, that's been bothering me too16:06
gilir(if he is busy)16:06
gilirjust need to know if he is close to upload :)16:06
pitti..16:06
skaeto/ (me queueing up for after cjwatson ;) )16:06
skaetcjwatson go..16:06
Riddello/16:07
Davieyo/16:07
gilir..16:07
cjwatsonRiddell: could somebody from Kubuntu have a look at Steve's proposed fix for bug 901638 and make sure it actually works?  we'd like to clear this bug out of the way16:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 901638 in soprano (Ubuntu Precise) "Remove iodbc2 (causes upgrade failure from Oneiric to Precise)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90163816:07
cjwatson..16:07
pitti. o O { meeting bot should have a #next function }16:07
Riddellcjwatson: can do, probably not today though but monday sure16:08
cjwatsongreat, thank you16:08
* skaet thinks that #next would be useful here too... hmmm16:08
skaet.. ?16:08
cjwatsonyes16:09
skaetpitti,  in Cimi's update, there are some features he's asking if a FFe is needed for,  some of them strike me as cleanup/logical extensions of an approved feature - what do you think?16:09
skaet* GMenuModel support in HUD/Appmenus16:09
skaet   - https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/92400716:09
skaet* Improved support for XUL applications16:09
skaet  - https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/92123116:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 924007 in Application Menu Indicator "Add GMenuModel support to HUD" [High,Fix committed]16:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 921231 in Application Menu Indicator "XUL Applications don't show up in HUD" [High,Confirmed]16:09
skaet..16:09
pittiskaet: will look at the bugs and answer there, to do this async16:09
pitti..16:09
Cimihx16:09
skaetthanks pitti.16:09
skaet..16:09
pittineither of them are FFEs16:09
skaetRiddell go16:09
Riddellactually just a statement16:09
RiddellI have a pandboard that works now..16:10
ogra_\o/16:10
skaet\o/  :)16:10
Riddellbut it only works on oneiric, precise images don't work16:10
Riddellso more debugging needed with ogra_ and his friends :)16:10
ogra_:)16:10
ogra_you know where to find me16:10
Riddelloh I had another question16:10
ogra_..16:10
Riddellhow was Beta 1 for everyone?16:10
stgraberpretty good, besides the manual partitioning exploding because of gtk/atk/... it seems to have worked quite nicely (from an Ubuntu and Edubuntu point of view)16:11
stgraber..16:11
skaetMythbuntu got hit with the API change that lubuntu worked around.  :(16:12
Riddellgroovy, appologies to those flavours I randomly deleted packages from, thanks to micahg and others for fixing that16:12
pittiRiddell: you did a fine job keeping up with the steps and all the images16:12
skaetRiddell,   +1  - thanks for all your help last week.  :)16:12
Riddell..16:13
skaeto/16:13
skaetDaviey go16:13
DavieyHey!16:14
DavieyI'd like to consider bug 95093616:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 950936 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Expose VMX through default CPU type, if host CPU supports it, to support nested virt on Intel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95093616:14
Davieyi'd like hallyn's input, but wondered if anyone else was nervous about it16:14
skaetDaviey, yeah, I fall into the camp of a bit nervous.16:14
DavieyEOM16:15
Daviey..16:15
skaetwould need to know more info though.  seems an area for suprises - what sort of testing has been done on it already?16:16
skaet..16:16
stgraberit's not going to break anything by default at least and it sounds a bit weird turning on nesting in kvm and not exposing the flag to the guests16:16
stgraber(as in, kvm simply doesn't work in VMs on intel at the moment, so can't go a lot worse)16:16
stgraber..16:16
Davieystgraber: right, upstream has it enabled for SVM, but not VMX16:16
Davieystgraber: it doesn't?!16:17
skaetstgraber, heh,  didn't realize that.16:17
Davieyoh, kvm you mean16:17
Davieyright16:17
Davieyi'll hold off for hallyn's input.. but just wanted it known, i was considering it16:17
* skaet nods16:17
skaet.. ?16:18
Daviey..16:18
skaetdbarth: when will unity 5.8 and unity-2d 5.8 be landing (not seeing in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/ReleaseSchedule)?   any other updates before beta 2 freeze anticipated?16:18
Cimiskaet, unity 22th march16:19
arosaleso/16:19
Ciminot sure of unity-2d, guess the same date or before16:19
skaetCimi, do you have projected dates for the rest of your FFe/UIFe's landing?16:19
Cimiskaet, FFe:16:20
Cimi1) LIM maybe not landing16:20
Cimi2) overlay scrollbars code done - waiting reviews16:20
dbarthskaet: not planned yet sorry, i estimate after the beta freeze, otherwise we'll be too short for another round of testing16:21
Cimi3) utouch work I guess will be proposed next week16:21
dbarthskaet: there's no more feature dev. or important changes, it's really about nailing the high and criticals down16:21
Cimipotential UIFe but I just have heard of it, need to double check16:21
skaetthanks Cimi.16:22
Cimiskaet, we're doing weekly releases for the rest of the projects16:22
Cimiskaet, releasing bugfixes16:22
Cimiand only them16:22
skaetthanks Cimi (and appreciate the bug fixes.  ;) )16:22
Cimiyou have to thanks engineers :-)16:22
skaet:)16:23
skaetthanks dbarth.   Ok,  will keep an eye on that ReleaseSchedule - please ping me offline if something changes.16:23
skaet..16:23
skaetarosales go16:23
* arosales is a bit new to the MIR and release process, apologies.16:23
arosales Is 64 MIR requests (https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mir_ normal for this point in the release?16:23
arosales..16:24
Davieyheh.16:24
dbarthskaet: actually for the 22 (checked with didrocks); will update the schedule accordingly16:24
DavieyThere are still more to come, i fear.16:24
skaetcjwatson, pitti, ^ care to give some historical perspective.16:24
skaet?16:24
DavieyMany of the are blocked on security review, they are rightly overwhelmed.  Not much we can do about that.16:25
Davieyjdstrand's team are working as hard as they can.16:25
pittihistorically we didn't use to have that many after FF16:25
pittibut 64 is a bit absurd indeed16:25
stgraberquite a few seem to cover multiple packages, some others are for baltix and shouldn't appear in the list at all, still a pretty long list though16:25
pittimany of them are quite old, though16:25
stgraber..16:25
arosalesDaviey: +1 on jdstrand's team working as hard as they can.16:25
DavieyThe lion share is server :(16:26
DavieyMany of our requirements landed rather late this cycle.16:26
pittiand e. g. bug 932833 has a dozen tasks alone16:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 932833 in ktp-auth-handler (Ubuntu) "[MIR] telepathy-kde" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93283316:26
DavieyOne, jdstrand's team did.. for a whole new upstream rewrite to happen, which invalidated it16:26
Davieyjdstrand has been cracking them out tho, starting yesterday :)16:28
mdeslaurjdstrand is *awesome* :)16:28
skaet+1 :)16:28
jdstrandwow, my hilight is on fire :)16:28
* jdstrand is trying16:28
arosaleskeep rocking it jdstrand16:29
jdstrandthanks :)16:29
skaet.. ? arosales16:29
arosalesThanks for the background information16:29
arosales..16:29
* skaet not seeing any queued up questions, so going ahead and asking another of hers16:30
ScottK\o16:30
skaettumbleweed or Laney - how go the universe FTBFS?16:30
skaet..16:31
skaethmm.. may not be around16:31
skaetgo ScottK16:31
ScottKThere's more than a fair number of removal and component move bugs queued up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive.  Could someone with powerz have a look?16:31
stgraberScottK: +116:32
ScottKAlso there's an FFe pending for syslog-ng that it seems like if we are going to do it we should do it soon.  Could someone who understands a bit about syslog have a look at that one?16:32
ScottKBug 95079916:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 950799 in syslog-ng (Ubuntu) "Freeze exception: syslog-ng 3.3.4 (bugfixes)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95079916:32
Davieyo/16:33
ScottKcjwatson: Thanks for the quick turn-around on the D-I hostname fix.16:33
ScottKDaviey: Thanks.16:33
cjwatsonnp16:33
Davieyoops, what did i sign up for? :)16:33
cjwatsonyeah, I can have a look at archive bugs, I guess.16:33
skaetScottK,  will see if we can get the removal and component moves tamed.    I'll see if I can help.16:33
ScottKThanks cjwatson.16:33
ScottKDaviey: I thought you were volunteering for the syslog-ng FFe.16:33
DavieyScottK: Happy to review it, yes16:34
ScottKGreat.16:34
ScottK..16:34
skaetThanks Daviey, cjwatson.  :)16:34
skaetDaviey did you have a comment/question - or were you volunteering?16:34
Davieyskaet: both16:34
skaetgo then Daviey16:34
DavieyI noticed there were a few commitsunder the name 'cdimage'16:34
DavieyIt doesn't seem ideal to have anonymous changes :(16:35
cjwatsonDon't Do That Then :)16:35
Davieyhttps://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu16:35
Davieycjwatson: this is what i am saying.16:35
Daviey:)16:35
cjwatsonpeople should be checking out the code on their laptops and working there.  It's what I've told every single person I've ever advised regarding cdimage code access.16:35
cjwatson(I'm vociferously agreeing)16:36
Davieygroovy :)16:36
Daviey..16:36
cjwatsonRiddell: ^- I think that was you, from the character of the changes?16:37
Riddellvery likely16:37
cjwatsonplease do not do that16:37
cjwatsonI can help you with the setup if you need it16:38
Riddellyes sorry, the ways to edit those are very unclear and infinity and slangasek had different ideas16:38
Riddellbut anyway I should set the commit name for sure16:38
cjwatsonno, please do not commit on nusakan16:38
cjwatsonI'll hack up the cdimage account there to disable it if I have to, but would rather not :)16:38
ogra_unless you do it in a local branch in your homedir :)16:39
cjwatsonI'll help you get it set up16:39
Davieycjwatson: commiting on nusakan isn't a problem, if you branch to ~ and set your whoami, right?16:40
pittiI did a commit as "pitti" in my checkout on nusakan (in ~pitti, not ~cdimage), and merged back16:40
ogra_Daviey, thats what i do16:40
pittithat was what Steve or Adam recommended16:40
Davieyogra_: i noticed :)16:40
Riddellsee what I mean?  very unclear16:40
Davieywell, commiting as cdimage on the live code, isn't right16:40
ogra_Riddell, we aere all saying the same in different words :)16:40
DavieyAnything else sounds ok, right cjwatson ?16:40
cjwatsonplease work on your development system, not on nusakan16:41
Davieycjwatson: can you explain concerns?16:41
cjwatsondoing it in your home directory isn't such a problem but I would still strongly prefer people not to do it16:41
cjwatsonnusakan is a production system not a development system; even though we admittedly don't have a clear separation16:41
cjwatsonbut it's a bad habit to get into16:41
Davieyok16:41
cjwatsonI will document it16:42
skaetthanks cjwatson. :)16:42
* skaet looking around for any other hands 16:42
skaetdid I miss anyone?16:42
* skaet guesses not, okie... time to end the meeting16:43
skaet#endmeeting16:43
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meetingologyMeeting ended Fri Mar  9 16:43:49 2012 UTC.16:43
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pittithanks everyone16:43
ogra_thanks skaet16:43
pittiI liked this style better16:44
Cimithanks skaet16:44
Cimipitti, and we saved a lot of time :D16:44
Davieyskaet: good meeting, thanks!16:44
mdeslaurthanks skaet!16:44
skaetThanks for your participation, ara, jdstrand, jibel, mdeslaur, ogasawara, cjwatson, arosales, Daviey, fabo, pitti, dbarth, Cimi, Riddell, stgraber, ScottK,  gilir, micahg16:44
mdeslauryes, this new format was nice!16:45
cjwatsonagreed16:45
stgraberthanks!16:45
ScottKSomeone should tell the powerpc builds to peddle faster.  I had builds with 15 hours to wait when I went to bed last night and 18 hours when I woke up this morning.16:45
stgraberquite enjoyed the new format too16:45
* ScottK too16:45
pittiScottK: amen16:45
pittiScottK: it was worse today, they had some three gcc versions to buildl16:45
* ScottK thinks we dind't highlight jdstrand enough though.16:45
mdeslaurScottK: did someone forget to feed the hamster again? :)16:45
mdeslaurjdstrand: jdstrand jdstrand16:45
skaetScottK,  re: powerpc,  still hoping for that faster machine to be installed.... but it hasn't been...16:45
ScottKpitti: I think there were three of them (one from a PPA)  and a kernel.16:45
* ScottK nods16:46
jdstrandstop! :P16:46
ScottKOK everyone.  jdstrand says to stop.16:46
ScottK;-)16:46
jdstrand:)16:46
skaet:)16:46
* pitti hugs jdstrand16:46
* jdstrand hugs pitti, mdeslaur, arosales, Daviey, skaet and ScottK 16:47
jdstrandI think I snagged everyone :)16:47
arosales:-)16:47
arosalesThanks for moderating skaet16:48
Daviey3 cheers for jdstrand16:50
Davieyhip hip16:50
cjwatsonScottK: the RT on the third powerpc buildd has actually been making progress: they've moved packages.ubuntu.com off it, and they've set up a machine which will take over ns2.canonical.com16:58
ScottKcjwatson: Cool.16:58
ScottKWe could certainly use it.16:58
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