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* skaet waves | 15:57 | |
* ara waves | 15:57 | |
roadmr | heey! | 15:57 |
skaet | hiya ara, you representing hardware certifiacation this week? | 15:57 |
ara | skaet, yes | 15:57 |
skaet | ara, coolio, you see the note about the new format we'll be trying? | 15:58 |
ara | skaet, yep; | 15:58 |
cjwatson | hi | 15:58 |
skaet | :) | 15:58 |
skaet | hiya cjwatson | 15:58 |
* stgraber waves | 15:59 | |
mdeslaur | hi! | 15:59 |
pitti | hello | 15:59 |
ogasawara | o/ | 16:00 |
* skaet sees quorum gathering and says hello to all... time to start. | 16:00 | |
Riddell | hi | 16:00 |
gilir | hi :) | 16:00 |
* ogra_ lurks | 16:00 | |
arosales | Hello | 16:00 |
skaet | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
meetingology | Meeting started Fri Mar 9 16:00:37 2012 UTC. The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 16:00 |
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highvoltage | bonjour | 16:00 |
skaet | [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet | 16:01 |
skaet | Please remember to .. when you're done, and o/ if you want us to pause. :) | 16:01 |
skaet | Agenda can be found: | 16:01 |
skaet | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-03-09 | 16:01 |
skaet | Individual team status links will be added to it from: | 16:01 |
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skaet | #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/thread.html | 16:01 |
skaet | . | 16:01 |
skaet | Schedule is at: | 16:01 |
skaet | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule | 16:01 |
skaet | #link http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/ | 16:01 |
skaet | . | 16:01 |
skaet | Thank you for your help getting Beta 1 out the door! | 16:01 |
skaet | We remain in UserInterfaceFreeze and FeatureFreeze. | 16:01 |
skaet | . | 16:01 |
skaet | Upcoming Dates: | 16:01 |
skaet | • 2012/03/22 - Beta Freeze at 2100 UTC | 16:01 |
skaet | • 2012/03/22 - DocumentationStringFreeze at 2100 UTC | 16:01 |
skaet | • 2012/03/29 - Beta 2 | 16:01 |
skaet | . | 16:01 |
skaet | Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found: | 16:01 |
skaet | #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html | 16:01 |
skaet | Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to specific teams, so they can be found. | 16:01 |
skaet | . | 16:01 |
skaet | Individual Team Statuses Received by 1500 UTC: | 16:01 |
skaet | Hardware Certification - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000922.html- ara | 16:01 |
skaet | Quality Assurance - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000916.html - jibel | 16:02 |
skaet | Security team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000926.html - mdeslaur | 16:02 |
skaet | Kernel team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000917.html - ogasawara | 16:02 |
skaet | Foundations - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000928.html- cjwatson | 16:02 |
skaet | Server - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000919.html- arosales | 16:02 |
skaet | Linaro - no update received - fabo | 16:02 |
skaet | Ubuntu One - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000927.html - joshuahoover | 16:02 |
skaet | Desktop Team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000920.html - pitti | 16:02 |
skaet | Unity Framework Team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000925.html - dbarth | 16:02 |
skaet | Unity Services and Settings - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000923.html - Cimi | 16:02 |
skaet | Kubuntu https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000932.html- Riddell | 16:02 |
skaet | Edubuntu https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000918.html- stgraber or highvoltage | 16:02 |
skaet | Xubuntu - no update received - madnick | 16:02 |
skaet | Ubuntu Studio - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000931.html - scott-work | 16:02 |
skaet | Lubuntu - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000929.html - gilir | 16:02 |
skaet | Mythbu | 16:02 |
skaet | hmm... looks like I hit a buffer limit there. getting the rest.. | 16:02 |
skaet | Mythbuntu - no update received - superm1 | 16:02 |
skaet | . | 16:02 |
skaet | [TOPIC] Question and Answer Session | 16:02 |
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fabo | skaet: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000935.html | 16:02 |
skaet | thanks fabo. :) | 16:03 |
fabo | xubuntu: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000937.html | 16:03 |
skaet | I'll start it off with first question, anyone have questions about the format for this week? | 16:03 |
* dbarth waves | 16:03 | |
pitti | shoudl be quite a bit faster this way | 16:04 |
pitti | and also encourages people to send detailled reports in time | 16:04 |
skaet | :) am hoping so. | 16:04 |
skaet | .. | 16:04 |
pitti | o/ | 16:04 |
cjwatson | o/ | 16:04 |
skaet | go pitti | 16:04 |
pitti | does anyone know the status of packaging the lightdm greeter? micahg, gilir? | 16:04 |
Riddell | working great here, we are using it in kubuntu active | 16:05 |
gilir | pitti, I know micahg was working on it, no news since some days | 16:05 |
Riddell | presumably you mean a gtk greeter | 16:05 |
pitti | yes, lightdm-gtk-greeter | 16:05 |
pitti | it's been NBS for months now | 16:06 |
pitti | or one month -- at least way longer than it ought to be | 16:06 |
gilir | pitti, he's busy, I can finish the work next week | 16:06 |
cjwatson | right, that's been bothering me too | 16:06 |
gilir | (if he is busy) | 16:06 |
gilir | just need to know if he is close to upload :) | 16:06 |
pitti | .. | 16:06 |
skaet | o/ (me queueing up for after cjwatson ;) ) | 16:06 |
skaet | cjwatson go.. | 16:06 |
Riddell | o/ | 16:07 |
Daviey | o/ | 16:07 |
gilir | .. | 16:07 |
cjwatson | Riddell: could somebody from Kubuntu have a look at Steve's proposed fix for bug 901638 and make sure it actually works? we'd like to clear this bug out of the way | 16:07 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 901638 in soprano (Ubuntu Precise) "Remove iodbc2 (causes upgrade failure from Oneiric to Precise)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/901638 | 16:07 |
cjwatson | .. | 16:07 |
pitti | . o O { meeting bot should have a #next function } | 16:07 |
Riddell | cjwatson: can do, probably not today though but monday sure | 16:08 |
cjwatson | great, thank you | 16:08 |
* skaet thinks that #next would be useful here too... hmmm | 16:08 | |
skaet | .. ? | 16:08 |
cjwatson | yes | 16:09 |
skaet | pitti, in Cimi's update, there are some features he's asking if a FFe is needed for, some of them strike me as cleanup/logical extensions of an approved feature - what do you think? | 16:09 |
skaet | * GMenuModel support in HUD/Appmenus | 16:09 |
skaet | - https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/924007 | 16:09 |
skaet | * Improved support for XUL applications | 16:09 |
skaet | - https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/921231 | 16:09 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 924007 in Application Menu Indicator "Add GMenuModel support to HUD" [High,Fix committed] | 16:09 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 921231 in Application Menu Indicator "XUL Applications don't show up in HUD" [High,Confirmed] | 16:09 |
skaet | .. | 16:09 |
pitti | skaet: will look at the bugs and answer there, to do this async | 16:09 |
pitti | .. | 16:09 |
Cimi | hx | 16:09 |
skaet | thanks pitti. | 16:09 |
skaet | .. | 16:09 |
pitti | neither of them are FFEs | 16:09 |
skaet | Riddell go | 16:09 |
Riddell | actually just a statement | 16:09 |
Riddell | I have a pandboard that works now.. | 16:10 |
ogra_ | \o/ | 16:10 |
skaet | \o/ :) | 16:10 |
Riddell | but it only works on oneiric, precise images don't work | 16:10 |
Riddell | so more debugging needed with ogra_ and his friends :) | 16:10 |
ogra_ | :) | 16:10 |
ogra_ | you know where to find me | 16:10 |
Riddell | oh I had another question | 16:10 |
ogra_ | .. | 16:10 |
Riddell | how was Beta 1 for everyone? | 16:10 |
stgraber | pretty good, besides the manual partitioning exploding because of gtk/atk/... it seems to have worked quite nicely (from an Ubuntu and Edubuntu point of view) | 16:11 |
stgraber | .. | 16:11 |
skaet | Mythbuntu got hit with the API change that lubuntu worked around. :( | 16:12 |
Riddell | groovy, appologies to those flavours I randomly deleted packages from, thanks to micahg and others for fixing that | 16:12 |
pitti | Riddell: you did a fine job keeping up with the steps and all the images | 16:12 |
skaet | Riddell, +1 - thanks for all your help last week. :) | 16:12 |
Riddell | .. | 16:13 |
skaet | o/ | 16:13 |
skaet | Daviey go | 16:13 |
Daviey | Hey! | 16:14 |
Daviey | I'd like to consider bug 950936 | 16:14 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 950936 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Expose VMX through default CPU type, if host CPU supports it, to support nested virt on Intel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/950936 | 16:14 |
Daviey | i'd like hallyn's input, but wondered if anyone else was nervous about it | 16:14 |
skaet | Daviey, yeah, I fall into the camp of a bit nervous. | 16:14 |
Daviey | EOM | 16:15 |
Daviey | .. | 16:15 |
skaet | would need to know more info though. seems an area for suprises - what sort of testing has been done on it already? | 16:16 |
skaet | .. | 16:16 |
stgraber | it's not going to break anything by default at least and it sounds a bit weird turning on nesting in kvm and not exposing the flag to the guests | 16:16 |
stgraber | (as in, kvm simply doesn't work in VMs on intel at the moment, so can't go a lot worse) | 16:16 |
stgraber | .. | 16:16 |
Daviey | stgraber: right, upstream has it enabled for SVM, but not VMX | 16:16 |
Daviey | stgraber: it doesn't?! | 16:17 |
skaet | stgraber, heh, didn't realize that. | 16:17 |
Daviey | oh, kvm you mean | 16:17 |
Daviey | right | 16:17 |
Daviey | i'll hold off for hallyn's input.. but just wanted it known, i was considering it | 16:17 |
* skaet nods | 16:17 | |
skaet | .. ? | 16:18 |
Daviey | .. | 16:18 |
skaet | dbarth: when will unity 5.8 and unity-2d 5.8 be landing (not seeing in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/ReleaseSchedule)? any other updates before beta 2 freeze anticipated? | 16:18 |
Cimi | skaet, unity 22th march | 16:19 |
arosales | o/ | 16:19 |
Cimi | not sure of unity-2d, guess the same date or before | 16:19 |
skaet | Cimi, do you have projected dates for the rest of your FFe/UIFe's landing? | 16:19 |
Cimi | skaet, FFe: | 16:20 |
Cimi | 1) LIM maybe not landing | 16:20 |
Cimi | 2) overlay scrollbars code done - waiting reviews | 16:20 |
dbarth | skaet: not planned yet sorry, i estimate after the beta freeze, otherwise we'll be too short for another round of testing | 16:21 |
Cimi | 3) utouch work I guess will be proposed next week | 16:21 |
dbarth | skaet: there's no more feature dev. or important changes, it's really about nailing the high and criticals down | 16:21 |
Cimi | potential UIFe but I just have heard of it, need to double check | 16:21 |
skaet | thanks Cimi. | 16:22 |
Cimi | skaet, we're doing weekly releases for the rest of the projects | 16:22 |
Cimi | skaet, releasing bugfixes | 16:22 |
Cimi | and only them | 16:22 |
skaet | thanks Cimi (and appreciate the bug fixes. ;) ) | 16:22 |
Cimi | you have to thanks engineers :-) | 16:22 |
skaet | :) | 16:23 |
skaet | thanks dbarth. Ok, will keep an eye on that ReleaseSchedule - please ping me offline if something changes. | 16:23 |
skaet | .. | 16:23 |
skaet | arosales go | 16:23 |
* arosales is a bit new to the MIR and release process, apologies. | 16:23 | |
arosales | Is 64 MIR requests (https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mir_ normal for this point in the release? | 16:23 |
arosales | .. | 16:24 |
Daviey | heh. | 16:24 |
dbarth | skaet: actually for the 22 (checked with didrocks); will update the schedule accordingly | 16:24 |
Daviey | There are still more to come, i fear. | 16:24 |
skaet | cjwatson, pitti, ^ care to give some historical perspective. | 16:24 |
skaet | ? | 16:24 |
Daviey | Many of the are blocked on security review, they are rightly overwhelmed. Not much we can do about that. | 16:25 |
Daviey | jdstrand's team are working as hard as they can. | 16:25 |
pitti | historically we didn't use to have that many after FF | 16:25 |
pitti | but 64 is a bit absurd indeed | 16:25 |
stgraber | quite a few seem to cover multiple packages, some others are for baltix and shouldn't appear in the list at all, still a pretty long list though | 16:25 |
pitti | many of them are quite old, though | 16:25 |
stgraber | .. | 16:25 |
arosales | Daviey: +1 on jdstrand's team working as hard as they can. | 16:25 |
Daviey | The lion share is server :( | 16:26 |
Daviey | Many of our requirements landed rather late this cycle. | 16:26 |
pitti | and e. g. bug 932833 has a dozen tasks alone | 16:26 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 932833 in ktp-auth-handler (Ubuntu) "[MIR] telepathy-kde" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932833 | 16:26 |
Daviey | One, jdstrand's team did.. for a whole new upstream rewrite to happen, which invalidated it | 16:26 |
Daviey | jdstrand has been cracking them out tho, starting yesterday :) | 16:28 |
mdeslaur | jdstrand is *awesome* :) | 16:28 |
skaet | +1 :) | 16:28 |
jdstrand | wow, my hilight is on fire :) | 16:28 |
* jdstrand is trying | 16:28 | |
arosales | keep rocking it jdstrand | 16:29 |
jdstrand | thanks :) | 16:29 |
skaet | .. ? arosales | 16:29 |
arosales | Thanks for the background information | 16:29 |
arosales | .. | 16:29 |
* skaet not seeing any queued up questions, so going ahead and asking another of hers | 16:30 | |
ScottK | \o | 16:30 |
skaet | tumbleweed or Laney - how go the universe FTBFS? | 16:30 |
skaet | .. | 16:31 |
skaet | hmm.. may not be around | 16:31 |
skaet | go ScottK | 16:31 |
ScottK | There's more than a fair number of removal and component move bugs queued up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive. Could someone with powerz have a look? | 16:31 |
stgraber | ScottK: +1 | 16:32 |
ScottK | Also there's an FFe pending for syslog-ng that it seems like if we are going to do it we should do it soon. Could someone who understands a bit about syslog have a look at that one? | 16:32 |
ScottK | Bug 950799 | 16:32 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 950799 in syslog-ng (Ubuntu) "Freeze exception: syslog-ng 3.3.4 (bugfixes)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/950799 | 16:32 |
Daviey | o/ | 16:33 |
ScottK | cjwatson: Thanks for the quick turn-around on the D-I hostname fix. | 16:33 |
ScottK | Daviey: Thanks. | 16:33 |
cjwatson | np | 16:33 |
Daviey | oops, what did i sign up for? :) | 16:33 |
cjwatson | yeah, I can have a look at archive bugs, I guess. | 16:33 |
skaet | ScottK, will see if we can get the removal and component moves tamed. I'll see if I can help. | 16:33 |
ScottK | Thanks cjwatson. | 16:33 |
ScottK | Daviey: I thought you were volunteering for the syslog-ng FFe. | 16:33 |
Daviey | ScottK: Happy to review it, yes | 16:34 |
ScottK | Great. | 16:34 |
ScottK | .. | 16:34 |
skaet | Thanks Daviey, cjwatson. :) | 16:34 |
skaet | Daviey did you have a comment/question - or were you volunteering? | 16:34 |
Daviey | skaet: both | 16:34 |
skaet | go then Daviey | 16:34 |
Daviey | I noticed there were a few commitsunder the name 'cdimage' | 16:34 |
Daviey | It doesn't seem ideal to have anonymous changes :( | 16:35 |
cjwatson | Don't Do That Then :) | 16:35 |
Daviey | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu | 16:35 |
Daviey | cjwatson: this is what i am saying. | 16:35 |
Daviey | :) | 16:35 |
cjwatson | people should be checking out the code on their laptops and working there. It's what I've told every single person I've ever advised regarding cdimage code access. | 16:35 |
cjwatson | (I'm vociferously agreeing) | 16:36 |
Daviey | groovy :) | 16:36 |
Daviey | .. | 16:36 |
cjwatson | Riddell: ^- I think that was you, from the character of the changes? | 16:37 |
Riddell | very likely | 16:37 |
cjwatson | please do not do that | 16:37 |
cjwatson | I can help you with the setup if you need it | 16:38 |
Riddell | yes sorry, the ways to edit those are very unclear and infinity and slangasek had different ideas | 16:38 |
Riddell | but anyway I should set the commit name for sure | 16:38 |
cjwatson | no, please do not commit on nusakan | 16:38 |
cjwatson | I'll hack up the cdimage account there to disable it if I have to, but would rather not :) | 16:38 |
ogra_ | unless you do it in a local branch in your homedir :) | 16:39 |
cjwatson | I'll help you get it set up | 16:39 |
Daviey | cjwatson: commiting on nusakan isn't a problem, if you branch to ~ and set your whoami, right? | 16:40 |
pitti | I did a commit as "pitti" in my checkout on nusakan (in ~pitti, not ~cdimage), and merged back | 16:40 |
ogra_ | Daviey, thats what i do | 16:40 |
pitti | that was what Steve or Adam recommended | 16:40 |
Daviey | ogra_: i noticed :) | 16:40 |
Riddell | see what I mean? very unclear | 16:40 |
Daviey | well, commiting as cdimage on the live code, isn't right | 16:40 |
ogra_ | Riddell, we aere all saying the same in different words :) | 16:40 |
Daviey | Anything else sounds ok, right cjwatson ? | 16:40 |
cjwatson | please work on your development system, not on nusakan | 16:41 |
Daviey | cjwatson: can you explain concerns? | 16:41 |
cjwatson | doing it in your home directory isn't such a problem but I would still strongly prefer people not to do it | 16:41 |
cjwatson | nusakan is a production system not a development system; even though we admittedly don't have a clear separation | 16:41 |
cjwatson | but it's a bad habit to get into | 16:41 |
Daviey | ok | 16:41 |
cjwatson | I will document it | 16:42 |
skaet | thanks cjwatson. :) | 16:42 |
* skaet looking around for any other hands | 16:42 | |
skaet | did I miss anyone? | 16:42 |
* skaet guesses not, okie... time to end the meeting | 16:43 | |
skaet | #endmeeting | 16:43 |
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meetingology | Meeting ended Fri Mar 9 16:43:49 2012 UTC. | 16:43 |
meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-09-16.00.moin.txt | 16:43 |
meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-09-16.00.html | 16:43 |
pitti | thanks everyone | 16:43 |
ogra_ | thanks skaet | 16:43 |
pitti | I liked this style better | 16:44 |
Cimi | thanks skaet | 16:44 |
Cimi | pitti, and we saved a lot of time :D | 16:44 |
Daviey | skaet: good meeting, thanks! | 16:44 |
mdeslaur | thanks skaet! | 16:44 |
skaet | Thanks for your participation, ara, jdstrand, jibel, mdeslaur, ogasawara, cjwatson, arosales, Daviey, fabo, pitti, dbarth, Cimi, Riddell, stgraber, ScottK, gilir, micahg | 16:44 |
mdeslaur | yes, this new format was nice! | 16:45 |
cjwatson | agreed | 16:45 |
stgraber | thanks! | 16:45 |
ScottK | Someone should tell the powerpc builds to peddle faster. I had builds with 15 hours to wait when I went to bed last night and 18 hours when I woke up this morning. | 16:45 |
stgraber | quite enjoyed the new format too | 16:45 |
* ScottK too | 16:45 | |
pitti | ScottK: amen | 16:45 |
pitti | ScottK: it was worse today, they had some three gcc versions to buildl | 16:45 |
* ScottK thinks we dind't highlight jdstrand enough though. | 16:45 | |
mdeslaur | ScottK: did someone forget to feed the hamster again? :) | 16:45 |
mdeslaur | jdstrand: jdstrand jdstrand | 16:45 |
skaet | ScottK, re: powerpc, still hoping for that faster machine to be installed.... but it hasn't been... | 16:45 |
ScottK | pitti: I think there were three of them (one from a PPA) and a kernel. | 16:45 |
* ScottK nods | 16:46 | |
jdstrand | stop! :P | 16:46 |
ScottK | OK everyone. jdstrand says to stop. | 16:46 |
ScottK | ;-) | 16:46 |
jdstrand | :) | 16:46 |
skaet | :) | 16:46 |
* pitti hugs jdstrand | 16:46 | |
* jdstrand hugs pitti, mdeslaur, arosales, Daviey, skaet and ScottK | 16:47 | |
jdstrand | I think I snagged everyone :) | 16:47 |
arosales | :-) | 16:47 |
arosales | Thanks for moderating skaet | 16:48 |
Daviey | 3 cheers for jdstrand | 16:50 |
Daviey | hip hip | 16:50 |
cjwatson | ScottK: the RT on the third powerpc buildd has actually been making progress: they've moved packages.ubuntu.com off it, and they've set up a machine which will take over ns2.canonical.com | 16:58 |
ScottK | cjwatson: Cool. | 16:58 |
ScottK | We could certainly use it. | 16:58 |
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