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[15:57]  * skaet waves
[15:57]  * ara waves
[15:57] <roadmr> heey!
[15:57] <skaet> hiya ara,  you representing hardware certifiacation this week?
[15:57] <ara> skaet, yes
[15:58] <skaet> ara,  coolio,  you see the note about the new format we'll be trying?
[15:58] <ara> skaet, yep;
[15:58] <cjwatson> hi
[15:58] <skaet> :)
[15:58] <skaet> hiya cjwatson
[15:59]  * stgraber waves
[15:59] <mdeslaur> hi!
[15:59] <pitti> hello
[16:00] <ogasawara> o/
[16:00]  * skaet sees quorum gathering and says hello to all...  time to start.
[16:00] <Riddell> hi
[16:00] <gilir> hi :)
[16:00]  * ogra_ lurks
[16:00] <arosales> Hello
[16:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Mar  9 16:00:37 2012 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:00] <highvoltage> bonjour
[16:01] <skaet> [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet
[16:01] <skaet> Please remember to .. when you're done, and o/ if you want us to pause. :)
[16:01] <skaet> Agenda can be found:
[16:01] <skaet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-03-09
[16:01] <skaet>  Individual team status links will be added to it from:
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[16:01] <skaet>  #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/thread.html
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet>  Schedule is at:
[16:01] <skaet>  #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[16:01] <skaet>  #link http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> Thank you for your help getting Beta 1 out the door!
[16:01] <skaet> We remain in UserInterfaceFreeze and FeatureFreeze.
[16:01] <skaet>  .
[16:01] <skaet> Upcoming Dates:
[16:01] <skaet> • 2012/03/22 - Beta Freeze at 2100 UTC
[16:01] <skaet> • 2012/03/22 - DocumentationStringFreeze at 2100 UTC
[16:01] <skaet> • 2012/03/29 - Beta 2
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet>  Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found:
[16:01] <skaet>  #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html
[16:01] <skaet> Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to specific teams, so they can be found.
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> Individual Team Statuses Received by 1500 UTC:
[16:01] <skaet> Hardware Certification - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000922.html- ara
[16:02] <skaet> Quality Assurance -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000916.html - jibel
[16:02] <skaet> Security team  - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000926.html - mdeslaur
[16:02] <skaet> Kernel team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000917.html - ogasawara
[16:02] <skaet> Foundations - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000928.html-  cjwatson
[16:02] <skaet> Server - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000919.html- arosales
[16:02] <skaet> Linaro - no update received  - fabo
[16:02] <skaet> Ubuntu One - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000927.html -  joshuahoover
[16:02] <skaet> Desktop Team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000920.html - pitti
[16:02] <skaet> Unity Framework Team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000925.html - dbarth
[16:02] <skaet> Unity Services and Settings - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000923.html - Cimi
[16:02] <skaet> Kubuntu https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000932.html- Riddell
[16:02] <skaet> Edubuntu https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000918.html- stgraber or highvoltage
[16:02] <skaet> Xubuntu - no update received - madnick
[16:02] <skaet> Ubuntu Studio - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000931.html - scott-work
[16:02] <skaet> Lubuntu  - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000929.html - gilir
[16:02] <skaet> Mythbu
[16:02] <skaet> hmm... looks like I hit a buffer limit there.  getting the rest..
[16:02] <skaet> Mythbuntu - no update received - superm1
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> [TOPIC] Question and Answer Session
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[16:02] <fabo> skaet: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000935.html
[16:03] <skaet> thanks fabo.   :)
[16:03] <fabo> xubuntu: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000937.html
[16:03] <skaet> I'll start it off with first question,  anyone have questions about the format for this week?
[16:03]  * dbarth waves
[16:04] <pitti> shoudl be quite a bit faster this way
[16:04] <pitti> and also encourages people to send detailled reports in time
[16:04] <skaet> :)  am hoping so.
[16:04] <skaet> ..
[16:04] <pitti> o/
[16:04] <cjwatson> o/
[16:04] <skaet> go pitti
[16:04] <pitti> does anyone know the status of packaging the lightdm greeter? micahg, gilir?
[16:05] <Riddell> working great here, we are using it in kubuntu active
[16:05] <gilir> pitti, I know micahg was working on it, no news since some days
[16:05] <Riddell> presumably you mean a gtk greeter
[16:05] <pitti> yes, lightdm-gtk-greeter
[16:06] <pitti> it's been NBS for months now
[16:06] <pitti> or one month -- at least way longer than it ought to be
[16:06] <gilir> pitti, he's busy, I can finish the work next week
[16:06] <cjwatson> right, that's been bothering me too
[16:06] <gilir> (if he is busy)
[16:06] <gilir> just need to know if he is close to upload :)
[16:06] <pitti> ..
[16:06] <skaet> o/ (me queueing up for after cjwatson ;) )
[16:06] <skaet> cjwatson go..
[16:07] <Riddell> o/
[16:07] <Daviey> o/
[16:07] <gilir> ..
[16:07] <cjwatson> Riddell: could somebody from Kubuntu have a look at Steve's proposed fix for bug 901638 and make sure it actually works?  we'd like to clear this bug out of the way
[16:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 901638 in soprano (Ubuntu Precise) "Remove iodbc2 (causes upgrade failure from Oneiric to Precise)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/901638
[16:07] <cjwatson> ..
[16:07] <pitti> . o O { meeting bot should have a #next function }
[16:08] <Riddell> cjwatson: can do, probably not today though but monday sure
[16:08] <cjwatson> great, thank you
[16:08]  * skaet thinks that #next would be useful here too... hmmm
[16:08] <skaet> .. ?
[16:09] <cjwatson> yes
[16:09] <skaet> pitti,  in Cimi's update, there are some features he's asking if a FFe is needed for,  some of them strike me as cleanup/logical extensions of an approved feature - what do you think?
[16:09] <skaet> * GMenuModel support in HUD/Appmenus
[16:09] <skaet>    - https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/924007
[16:09] <skaet> * Improved support for XUL applications
[16:09] <skaet>   - https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/921231
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 924007 in Application Menu Indicator "Add GMenuModel support to HUD" [High,Fix committed]
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 921231 in Application Menu Indicator "XUL Applications don't show up in HUD" [High,Confirmed]
[16:09] <skaet> ..
[16:09] <pitti> skaet: will look at the bugs and answer there, to do this async
[16:09] <pitti> ..
[16:09] <Cimi> hx
[16:09] <skaet> thanks pitti.
[16:09] <skaet> ..
[16:09] <pitti> neither of them are FFEs
[16:09] <skaet> Riddell go
[16:09] <Riddell> actually just a statement
[16:10] <Riddell> I have a pandboard that works now..
[16:10] <ogra_> \o/
[16:10] <skaet> \o/  :)
[16:10] <Riddell> but it only works on oneiric, precise images don't work
[16:10] <Riddell> so more debugging needed with ogra_ and his friends :)
[16:10] <ogra_> :)
[16:10] <ogra_> you know where to find me
[16:10] <Riddell> oh I had another question
[16:10] <ogra_> ..
[16:10] <Riddell> how was Beta 1 for everyone?
[16:11] <stgraber> pretty good, besides the manual partitioning exploding because of gtk/atk/... it seems to have worked quite nicely (from an Ubuntu and Edubuntu point of view)
[16:11] <stgraber> ..
[16:12] <skaet> Mythbuntu got hit with the API change that lubuntu worked around.  :(
[16:12] <Riddell> groovy, appologies to those flavours I randomly deleted packages from, thanks to micahg and others for fixing that
[16:12] <pitti> Riddell: you did a fine job keeping up with the steps and all the images
[16:12] <skaet> Riddell,   +1  - thanks for all your help last week.  :)
[16:13] <Riddell> ..
[16:13] <skaet> o/
[16:13] <skaet> Daviey go
[16:14] <Daviey> Hey!
[16:14] <Daviey> I'd like to consider bug 950936
[16:14] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 950936 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Expose VMX through default CPU type, if host CPU supports it, to support nested virt on Intel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/950936
[16:14] <Daviey> i'd like hallyn's input, but wondered if anyone else was nervous about it
[16:14] <skaet> Daviey, yeah, I fall into the camp of a bit nervous.
[16:15] <Daviey> EOM
[16:15] <Daviey> ..
[16:16] <skaet> would need to know more info though.  seems an area for suprises - what sort of testing has been done on it already?
[16:16] <skaet> ..
[16:16] <stgraber> it's not going to break anything by default at least and it sounds a bit weird turning on nesting in kvm and not exposing the flag to the guests
[16:16] <stgraber> (as in, kvm simply doesn't work in VMs on intel at the moment, so can't go a lot worse)
[16:16] <stgraber> ..
[16:16] <Daviey> stgraber: right, upstream has it enabled for SVM, but not VMX
[16:17] <Daviey> stgraber: it doesn't?!
[16:17] <skaet> stgraber, heh,  didn't realize that.
[16:17] <Daviey> oh, kvm you mean
[16:17] <Daviey> right
[16:17] <Daviey> i'll hold off for hallyn's input.. but just wanted it known, i was considering it
[16:17]  * skaet nods
[16:18] <skaet> .. ?
[16:18] <Daviey> ..
[16:18] <skaet> dbarth: when will unity 5.8 and unity-2d 5.8 be landing (not seeing in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/ReleaseSchedule)?   any other updates before beta 2 freeze anticipated?
[16:19] <Cimi> skaet, unity 22th march
[16:19] <arosales> o/
[16:19] <Cimi> not sure of unity-2d, guess the same date or before
[16:19] <skaet> Cimi, do you have projected dates for the rest of your FFe/UIFe's landing?
[16:20] <Cimi> skaet, FFe:
[16:20] <Cimi> 1) LIM maybe not landing
[16:20] <Cimi> 2) overlay scrollbars code done - waiting reviews
[16:21] <dbarth> skaet: not planned yet sorry, i estimate after the beta freeze, otherwise we'll be too short for another round of testing
[16:21] <Cimi> 3) utouch work I guess will be proposed next week
[16:21] <dbarth> skaet: there's no more feature dev. or important changes, it's really about nailing the high and criticals down
[16:21] <Cimi> potential UIFe but I just have heard of it, need to double check
[16:22] <skaet> thanks Cimi.
[16:22] <Cimi> skaet, we're doing weekly releases for the rest of the projects
[16:22] <Cimi> skaet, releasing bugfixes
[16:22] <Cimi> and only them
[16:22] <skaet> thanks Cimi (and appreciate the bug fixes.  ;) )
[16:22] <Cimi> you have to thanks engineers :-)
[16:23] <skaet> :)
[16:23] <skaet> thanks dbarth.   Ok,  will keep an eye on that ReleaseSchedule - please ping me offline if something changes.
[16:23] <skaet> ..
[16:23] <skaet> arosales go
[16:23]  * arosales is a bit new to the MIR and release process, apologies.
[16:23] <arosales>  Is 64 MIR requests (https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mir_ normal for this point in the release?
[16:24] <arosales> ..
[16:24] <Daviey> heh.
[16:24] <dbarth> skaet: actually for the 22 (checked with didrocks); will update the schedule accordingly
[16:24] <Daviey> There are still more to come, i fear.
[16:24] <skaet> cjwatson, pitti, ^ care to give some historical perspective.
[16:24] <skaet> ?
[16:25] <Daviey> Many of the are blocked on security review, they are rightly overwhelmed.  Not much we can do about that.
[16:25] <Daviey> jdstrand's team are working as hard as they can.
[16:25] <pitti> historically we didn't use to have that many after FF
[16:25] <pitti> but 64 is a bit absurd indeed
[16:25] <stgraber> quite a few seem to cover multiple packages, some others are for baltix and shouldn't appear in the list at all, still a pretty long list though
[16:25] <pitti> many of them are quite old, though
[16:25] <stgraber> ..
[16:25] <arosales> Daviey: +1 on jdstrand's team working as hard as they can.
[16:26] <Daviey> The lion share is server :(
[16:26] <Daviey> Many of our requirements landed rather late this cycle.
[16:26] <pitti> and e. g. bug 932833 has a dozen tasks alone
[16:26] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 932833 in ktp-auth-handler (Ubuntu) "[MIR] telepathy-kde" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932833
[16:26] <Daviey> One, jdstrand's team did.. for a whole new upstream rewrite to happen, which invalidated it
[16:28] <Daviey> jdstrand has been cracking them out tho, starting yesterday :)
[16:28] <mdeslaur> jdstrand is *awesome* :)
[16:28] <skaet> +1 :)
[16:28] <jdstrand> wow, my hilight is on fire :)
[16:28]  * jdstrand is trying
[16:29] <arosales> keep rocking it jdstrand
[16:29] <jdstrand> thanks :)
[16:29] <skaet> .. ? arosales
[16:29] <arosales> Thanks for the background information
[16:29] <arosales> ..
[16:30]  * skaet not seeing any queued up questions, so going ahead and asking another of hers
[16:30] <ScottK> \o
[16:30] <skaet> tumbleweed or Laney - how go the universe FTBFS?
[16:31] <skaet> ..
[16:31] <skaet> hmm.. may not be around
[16:31] <skaet> go ScottK
[16:31] <ScottK> There's more than a fair number of removal and component move bugs queued up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive.  Could someone with powerz have a look?
[16:32] <stgraber> ScottK: +1
[16:32] <ScottK> Also there's an FFe pending for syslog-ng that it seems like if we are going to do it we should do it soon.  Could someone who understands a bit about syslog have a look at that one?
[16:32] <ScottK> Bug 950799
[16:32] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 950799 in syslog-ng (Ubuntu) "Freeze exception: syslog-ng 3.3.4 (bugfixes)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/950799
[16:33] <Daviey> o/
[16:33] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks for the quick turn-around on the D-I hostname fix.
[16:33] <ScottK> Daviey: Thanks.
[16:33] <cjwatson> np
[16:33] <Daviey> oops, what did i sign up for? :)
[16:33] <cjwatson> yeah, I can have a look at archive bugs, I guess.
[16:33] <skaet> ScottK,  will see if we can get the removal and component moves tamed.    I'll see if I can help.
[16:33] <ScottK> Thanks cjwatson.
[16:33] <ScottK> Daviey: I thought you were volunteering for the syslog-ng FFe.
[16:34] <Daviey> ScottK: Happy to review it, yes
[16:34] <ScottK> Great.
[16:34] <ScottK> ..
[16:34] <skaet> Thanks Daviey, cjwatson.  :)
[16:34] <skaet> Daviey did you have a comment/question - or were you volunteering?
[16:34] <Daviey> skaet: both
[16:34] <skaet> go then Daviey
[16:34] <Daviey> I noticed there were a few commitsunder the name 'cdimage'
[16:35] <Daviey> It doesn't seem ideal to have anonymous changes :(
[16:35] <cjwatson> Don't Do That Then :)
[16:35] <Daviey> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu
[16:35] <Daviey> cjwatson: this is what i am saying.
[16:35] <Daviey> :)
[16:35] <cjwatson> people should be checking out the code on their laptops and working there.  It's what I've told every single person I've ever advised regarding cdimage code access.
[16:36] <cjwatson> (I'm vociferously agreeing)
[16:36] <Daviey> groovy :)
[16:36] <Daviey> ..
[16:37] <cjwatson> Riddell: ^- I think that was you, from the character of the changes?
[16:37] <Riddell> very likely
[16:37] <cjwatson> please do not do that
[16:38] <cjwatson> I can help you with the setup if you need it
[16:38] <Riddell> yes sorry, the ways to edit those are very unclear and infinity and slangasek had different ideas
[16:38] <Riddell> but anyway I should set the commit name for sure
[16:38] <cjwatson> no, please do not commit on nusakan
[16:38] <cjwatson> I'll hack up the cdimage account there to disable it if I have to, but would rather not :)
[16:39] <ogra_> unless you do it in a local branch in your homedir :)
[16:39] <cjwatson> I'll help you get it set up
[16:40] <Daviey> cjwatson: commiting on nusakan isn't a problem, if you branch to ~ and set your whoami, right?
[16:40] <pitti> I did a commit as "pitti" in my checkout on nusakan (in ~pitti, not ~cdimage), and merged back
[16:40] <ogra_> Daviey, thats what i do
[16:40] <pitti> that was what Steve or Adam recommended
[16:40] <Daviey> ogra_: i noticed :)
[16:40] <Riddell> see what I mean?  very unclear
[16:40] <Daviey> well, commiting as cdimage on the live code, isn't right
[16:40] <ogra_> Riddell, we aere all saying the same in different words :)
[16:40] <Daviey> Anything else sounds ok, right cjwatson ?
[16:41] <cjwatson> please work on your development system, not on nusakan
[16:41] <Daviey> cjwatson: can you explain concerns?
[16:41] <cjwatson> doing it in your home directory isn't such a problem but I would still strongly prefer people not to do it
[16:41] <cjwatson> nusakan is a production system not a development system; even though we admittedly don't have a clear separation
[16:41] <cjwatson> but it's a bad habit to get into
[16:41] <Daviey> ok
[16:42] <cjwatson> I will document it
[16:42] <skaet> thanks cjwatson. :)
[16:42]  * skaet looking around for any other hands 
[16:42] <skaet> did I miss anyone?
[16:43]  * skaet guesses not,  okie... time to end the meeting
[16:43] <skaet> #endmeeting
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[16:43] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Mar  9 16:43:49 2012 UTC.
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[16:43] <pitti> thanks everyone
[16:43] <ogra_> thanks skaet
[16:44] <pitti> I liked this style better
[16:44] <Cimi> thanks skaet
[16:44] <Cimi> pitti, and we saved a lot of time :D
[16:44] <Daviey> skaet: good meeting, thanks!
[16:44] <mdeslaur> thanks skaet!
[16:44] <skaet> Thanks for your participation, ara, jdstrand, jibel, mdeslaur, ogasawara, cjwatson, arosales, Daviey, fabo, pitti, dbarth, Cimi, Riddell, stgraber, ScottK,  gilir, micahg
[16:45] <mdeslaur> yes, this new format was nice!
[16:45] <cjwatson> agreed
[16:45] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:45] <ScottK> Someone should tell the powerpc builds to peddle faster.  I had builds with 15 hours to wait when I went to bed last night and 18 hours when I woke up this morning.
[16:45] <stgraber> quite enjoyed the new format too
[16:45]  * ScottK too
[16:45] <pitti> ScottK: amen
[16:45] <pitti> ScottK: it was worse today, they had some three gcc versions to buildl
[16:45]  * ScottK thinks we dind't highlight jdstrand enough though.
[16:45] <mdeslaur> ScottK: did someone forget to feed the hamster again? :)
[16:45] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: jdstrand jdstrand
[16:45] <skaet> ScottK,  re: powerpc,  still hoping for that faster machine to be installed.... but it hasn't been...
[16:45] <ScottK> pitti: I think there were three of them (one from a PPA)  and a kernel.
[16:46]  * ScottK nods
[16:46] <jdstrand> stop! :P
[16:46] <ScottK> OK everyone.  jdstrand says to stop.
[16:46] <ScottK> ;-)
[16:46] <jdstrand> :)
[16:46] <skaet> :)
[16:46]  * pitti hugs jdstrand
[16:47]  * jdstrand hugs pitti, mdeslaur, arosales, Daviey, skaet and ScottK 
[16:47] <jdstrand> I think I snagged everyone :)
[16:47] <arosales> :-)
[16:48] <arosales> Thanks for moderating skaet
[16:50] <Daviey> 3 cheers for jdstrand
[16:50] <Daviey> hip hip
[16:58] <cjwatson> ScottK: the RT on the third powerpc buildd has actually been making progress: they've moved packages.ubuntu.com off it, and they've set up a machine which will take over ns2.canonical.com
[16:58] <ScottK> cjwatson: Cool.
[16:58] <ScottK> We could certainly use it.
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