[00:03] <Rcart> When working on typos in control file not reported in LP, should be reported as well before proposing a merge?
[00:04] <ajmitch> it can help, you'll then you have a bug to mark as closed in the changelog, and to refer to in the merge proposal
[00:06] <jtaylor> Rcart: assuming a minor description typo, its often best just reported to debian (if affected) instead of fixing it in ubuntu
[00:14] <Rcart> jtaylor: I think it would be better fix in ubuntu and report it to debian (well, if the fixer wants to do double job instead of report it to debian and just wait for the next zync to got the fix in ubuntu)
[02:21] <psusi> was there a C escape sequence for ^H?
[03:01] <vibhav> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liboggz/+bug/789179 Has a proposal for merging into upstream, shall mI submit a debdiff for it?
[03:01] <vibhav> I*
[03:16] <vibhav> And while submiting patches , what distroseries do I put?
[03:16] <vibhav> oneiric or precise?
[03:52] <bkerensa> vibhav: Bug #789179 was already submitted upstream
[03:52] <bkerensa> its being tracked upstream
[03:53] <vibhav> bkerensa: Do I need to submit a debdiff for it?
[03:54] <bkerensa> vibhav: no because my fix is already submitted in a patch upstream to debian
[03:54] <vibhav> Then I file a sync request
[03:54] <bkerensa> I will probably just NMU that in any case
[03:55] <bkerensa> vibhav: once the fix is released it should be synced
[03:55] <vibhav> thanks bkerensa
[03:56] <vibhav> what about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/searchmonkey/+bug/625877
[04:46] <vibhav> I am fixing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cacti/+bug/914746 , what distro do I put in the Changelog?
[04:46] <vibhav> precise or oneiric?
[05:25] <vibhav> what distro do I use while fixing bugs, oneiric or precise?
[05:30] <RAOF> vibhav: By and large precise is the correct one.
[05:30] <vibhav> thanks RAOF
[05:30] <RAOF> vibhav: Oneiric is frozen after release; if you want to fix bugs in it, you need to got through the Stable Release Updates process.
[06:32] <Zhenech> dupondje, well, fdisk will be there, almost all the time, but I think it will fail on GPT partitions, you may need parted here.
[07:17]  * ajmitch is sure he uploaded phpldapadmin to fix security problems only a few days ago, and now there are more...
[07:17] <micahg> ajmitch: the joys of PHP :P
[07:18] <vibhav> :PH:P
[07:18] <ajmitch> micahg: sadly true
[07:18] <micahg> ajmitch: I can say the same for Chromium, I think I've uploaded 3 new stable releases this week
[07:18] <micahg> each with their own 280MB tarball
[07:18] <ajmitch> not small :)
[07:19] <micahg> 2 were security updates, 1 was a regression
[07:19] <ESphynx> Hey guys... so Ecere SDK 0.44 is officially released :) in case anyone feels the uncontrollable urge to include it into Precise...
[07:19] <ESphynx> although we will try to get it into Debian and hope it gets pulled later :P
[07:19] <vibhav> I submited two patches, and I feel I am getting the HANG of MOTU
[07:22] <ajmitch> ESphynx: I'm guessing that there's no version of this in precise yet?
[07:22] <ESphynx> ajmitch: there is not :P only on our ppa :P
[07:22] <ajmitch> we're past feature freeze, so anything new or updated requires a freeze exception
[07:22] <ESphynx> ajmitch: i was mostly teasing :P
[07:23] <ESphynx> ajmitch: Though it would be very nice to make it into the next one... Though Precise is LTS :)
[07:23] <ajmitch> ESphynx: we get enough people asking for the latest version at the last minute
[07:23] <ajmitch> there's always backports
[07:23] <micahg> ESphynx: there are always backports if it gets in the next release
[07:23] <ESphynx> ah that's cool
[07:23] <ESphynx> You guys saying there are odds we could make it in soon? :P
[07:24] <ajmitch> slim odds
[07:24] <ESphynx> awesome.
[07:24] <micahg> we might get backports open early
[07:24] <ajmitch> uploading to the next release & then backports is the more likely route
[07:25] <ESphynx> anybody willing to sponsor us? :)
[07:25] <ajmitch> or backports pre-release, if that opens (as micahg said)
[07:25] <ESphynx> the PPAs are all working, with daily builds and stuff :)
[07:25]  * micahg would still suggest getting it in Debian
[07:25]  * ajmitch agrees with micahg on getting it into debian
[07:25] <ESphynx> micahg: of course we'll try that road too :P
[07:26] <ESphynx> but I'd love to see some Ubuntu people caring about this ;)
[07:27] <ESphynx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/394998 --> we've been sitting on the wishlist for 3 years :(
[07:28] <vibhav> ESphynx: Once My exams are finished, Ill surely try to get it into Ubuntu
[07:28] <vibhav> \s\Ubuntu\Debian
[07:28] <ESphynx> vibhav: That is cool! when are they finished? :)
[07:28] <ESphynx> care to give me your email to keep in touch? ;)
[07:28] <vibhav> on 15th
[07:28] <ESphynx> soon enough ! cool, thanks!
[07:29] <vibhav> ESphynx: https://launchpad.net/~vibhavp
[07:29] <ESphynx> thank
[07:29] <vibhav> np
[07:29] <ESphynx> cheers guys!
[07:31] <vibhav> ESphynx: Could I get your email too?
[07:31] <ESphynx> vibhav: sure, jerome@ecere.com, http://ecere.com ...
[07:34] <vibhav> ESphynx: It would be nice if you could mail be the revised license
[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:10] <dholbach> it looks like nobody added easy tasks to the pad :-(
[08:10]  * dholbach adds some quickly
[08:28] <dholbach> Happy Fix-It Friday everyone! Who do we have here to fix some bugs with us? :)
[08:29] <ESphynx> Fix-It friday eh? --> 394998 :P
[08:30] <dholbach> ESphynx, ah - is that a bug you're working on?
[08:30] <ESphynx> dholbach just kidding, it's our project :P Well, I did fix it ;) considering I wrapped up the packaging and get it all working :P
[08:31] <dholbach> good work! :)
[08:32] <ESphynx> hehe thanks.
[08:38] <akheron> dholbach: should I be able to view the pad?
[08:39] <akheron> it requires authentication
[08:39] <dholbach> do you have a launchpad account?
[08:39] <akheron> yeah
[08:39] <dholbach> does it work if you log in?
[08:39] <akheron> no: Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again.
[08:39] <dholbach> bah
[08:39] <dholbach> let me try to fix it
[08:41] <dholbach> let's go with http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/KljH7rwo1X then
[08:41] <dholbach> akheron, ^
[08:50] <akheron> dholbach: that works
[08:50] <dholbach> hum
[08:51] <dholbach> somebody pasted links into the pad
[08:51] <dholbach> this looks a bit weird?
[08:53] <dholbach> ok, it looks like a mistake - I'll remove it
[09:08] <rigved> hi everyone. back here for another Fix-It Friday!
[09:08] <dholbach> hey rigved - nice to see you here! :)
[09:08] <rigved> :)
[09:08] <dholbach> rigved, we moved to http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/KljH7rwo1X because some folks couldn't access the other pad
[09:09] <rigved> dholbach: ok. got it.
[09:10] <verwilst> is there some kind of rss feed/changelog of all packages that get into a release?
[09:11] <verwilst> so i can follow up on the progress towards oneiric for example
[09:11] <dholbach> verwilst, all the changes are announced on mailing lists like https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/oneiric-changes/
[09:12] <dholbach> and somebody set up an RSS feed for it, let me see if I can find it
[09:13] <verwilst> thanks dholbach
[09:14] <verwilst> oh, i used that before!
[09:14] <dholbach> verwilst, the ones I knew about were shut down, but maybe there's others
[09:14] <verwilst> ubuntulinux.nl or sth made it earlier iirc
[09:15] <verwilst> this would be nice to have by default provided by ubuntu itself :)
[09:18] <verwilst> http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/LucidChanges used to work for example
[09:18]  * dholbach nods
[09:20] <verwilst> sent the guy a mail, i would like to host the changes rss feeds then
[09:20] <dupondje> verwilsthosting.be ? :)
[09:21] <verwilst> that's not the name of my company, no ;) can't disclose the website yet because it's not finished :P
[09:21] <verwilst> will be in 2 days though :P
[09:21] <dupondje> I was on it a week ago :) it was indeed not finished ;)
[09:22] <verwilst> it's more finished now
[09:22] <verwilst> but not quite :P
[09:22] <verwilst> so keep it to yourself ;)
[09:23] <dholbach> somebody is pasting links into the pad - at random places ...
[09:25] <dholbach> mitya57, did you comment on the debtags bug on the pad?
[09:25] <mitya57> dholbach: yeah, that was me
[09:26] <dholbach> apparently it was fixed in 1.8.0 in Debian
[09:26] <dholbach> according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debtags we have 1.9+git20120302  in precise
[09:26] <dholbach> so I'll leave the honour of marking the bug as fixed to you
[09:26] <mitya57> yeah, but it was reported when Ubuntu already had 1.8.0+git...
[09:27] <dholbach> maybe you could also leave a comment about following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SRU if it's supposed to get fixed in an older Ubuntu release
[09:27] <dholbach> precise seems to be the only release with the fix
[09:28] <mitya57> i'm not sure if it affects oneiric...
[09:28] <mitya57> which has debtags 1.7.11ubuntu2
[09:28] <dupondje> pfft empathy really *** as jabber client imo :(
[09:29] <dholbach> bug tasks labelled with "package (Ubuntu)" we usually interpret as 'in the current dev release'
[09:29] <dholbach> so I think it's fair to close it
[09:29] <dholbach> if they want it fixed in an older release, they could follow the instructions in the SRU wiki page
[09:29] <mitya57> dholbach: done
[09:30] <dholbach> so I'd just leave a quick comment there
[09:30] <dholbach> excellent - another bug fixed :)
[09:31]  * mitya57 will now look at other bugs in the list
[09:31] <dholbach> hey quadrispro
[09:32]  * dupondje is thinking about an easy way to get the partition type in a script. parse fdisk output ?
[09:32] <quadrispro> hey dholbach !
[09:32] <dholbach> maybe python-parted?
[09:32] <dholbach> quadrispro, come stai?
[09:33] <mitya57> bug 842405 can be removed from the list, not for this cycle
[09:33] <dholbach> mitya57, why not?
[09:34] <quadrispro> dholbach, seher gut und du?
[09:34] <mitya57> i don't think enabling multiarch for packages after feature freeze is a good idea...
[09:34] <dholbach> quadrispro, auch gut! :)
[09:34] <dholbach> mitya57, I think we've still done it after FF
[09:35] <dholbach> I mean we could go and put together a fix (borrow it from Debian) and propose to the release team if we're unsure
[09:37] <mitya57> it'll be better to resync on 2.8.6-4 because patch from 2.8.6-3 resulted in other issues which were fixed in -4
[09:37] <mitya57> (according to the changelog)
[09:38] <Barzogh> hi, i've just seen dholbach's today blog post and here i am :)
[09:39] <mitya57> and we have some 6 changes in delta, so there's a big risk to break something... :)
[09:39] <dholbach> mitya57, the Ubuntu package has Ubuntu changes, so we would need to do a merge
[09:39] <dholbach> hey Barzogh - welcome
[09:40] <micahg> mitya57: multiarch changes require a feature freeze exception, but they're welcome in most cases
[09:40] <dholbach> you might want to add whatever you're working on to the pad as well - that will make it easier for me to blog about our progress later on
[09:40] <micahg> (assuming the reverse dependencies are already multiarched)
[09:41] <micahg> or rather multiarch aware
[09:42] <mitya57> arista bug was fixed in 0.9.7-3, which is now in precise - marking as fixed
[09:43] <dholbach> mitya57, can you add a comment about the SRU process?
[09:43] <mitya57> dholbach: ok
[09:43] <dholbach> I didn't check how grave the bug is, but if it is, they could follow that process to fix it in older releases
[09:43] <dholbach> thanks mitya57
[09:44] <micahg> it's unfortunate that Debian's just getting a multiarch dpkg, otherwise precise would have a lot more packages multiarched
[09:47] <dholbach> mitya57, can it be that you sometimes paste things into the pad?
[09:47] <dholbach> like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bdoesug/772121 which should probably not have 'does' in there :)
[09:48] <mitya57> That's probably because I try to use middle-clicking to open the links, which results in pasting things
[09:48] <mitya57> Sorry
[09:48] <dholbach> aha! that makes sense :)
[09:48] <dholbach> no worries :9
[09:49] <dholbach> for me left-clicking also opens a new tab
[09:49] <dholbach> maybe we should move things we worked on or which are already fixed to the bottom of the page
[09:49] <dholbach> Barzogh, so how are you doing?
[09:50] <mitya57> bug 811705 was fixed in tracker 0.12.3 upstream, we have 0.12.10 so closing as well
[09:52] <Barzogh> dholbach: i'm fine thanks , and you ?
[09:54] <dholbach> Barzogh, good good - quite happy we have a number of folks turning up today and fixing bugs :)
[09:55] <dholbach> I just hope the instructions and docs are clear enough :)
[09:55] <mitya57> closed bug 894544
[09:56] <Barzogh> they are :)
[09:56] <dholbach> cool :)
[09:58] <dholbach> mitya57, I moved the ones you closed down to the bottom of the page
[09:58] <dholbach> (so nobody goes and tries to fix them again :-))
[09:58] <mitya57> dholbach: thanks
[09:59] <mitya57> another bug closed: bug 872838
[09:59] <dholbach> can you move it to the bottom? :-)
[10:00] <dholbach> because I'll be out for a couple of minutes now
[10:00] <mitya57> ok
[10:00] <dholbach> thank you
[10:00] <dholbach> be right back
[10:23] <dupondje> somebody with a jabber account for a small test ? :D
[10:33] <tumbleweed> dupondje: gmail and facebook both provide jabber access, so you should have one or two
[10:34] <dupondje> heh didn't know that
[10:46] <dholbach> hey tumbleweed
[10:49] <Laney> meow
[10:51] <tumbleweed> dholbach: hi, but I'm running off to lunch :)
[10:51] <dholbach> enjoy :)
[10:54]  * ajmitch should fix stuff, but sleep sounds so appealing
[10:54]  * micahg knows the feeling
[10:55]  * Laney reports a bug against ajmitch
[10:55] <ajmitch> micahg: I don't know what timezone you actually work in :)
[10:55] <ajmitch> if there is one
[10:55] <Laney> 1. ajmitch is awake
[10:55] <ajmitch> Laney: :(
[10:55] <Laney> Expected: at 1. ajmitch should be asleep
[10:55] <micahg> ajmitch: all of them :)
[10:55] <Laney> there, you get to close a bug and sleep at the same time
[10:55]  * Laney is here to help
[10:56] <ajmitch> Laney: for me to close the bug would require that I be awake, and then tests wouldn't pass
[10:56] <Laney> lucid dreaming
[10:58] <ajmitch> hmph
[10:58]  * ajmitch might wait till the morning to upload stuff
[10:59] <ajmitch> less chance of being jumped on for mistakes then
[11:00] <dholbach> hey toabctl
[11:01] <toabctl> hey dholbach
[11:03] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ghc/7.4.1-1ubuntu2
[11:03] <Laney> \o/
[11:03] <ajmitch> finally built?
[11:03] <Laney> will do
[11:03]  * ajmitch hopes so :)
[11:04] <ajmitch> then you can start on the mess of haskell packages
[11:06]  * jalcine cringes at Haskell.
[11:06] <Laney> naughty
[11:06] <Laney> it is beautiful
[11:06] <jalcine> My dad wanted me to learn that instead of Perl.
[11:08] <jalcine> I have to take some time out to really try and learn it.
[11:08] <jalcine> thanks for reminding me :)
[11:09] <RAOF> Man.
[11:09] <RAOF> Yes.  Learn haskell instead of perl.
[11:10] <directhex> hasklol
[11:11]  * RAOF goes about rewriting dh_clideps in haskell.
[11:12] <Laney> joeyh would probably love you for that
[11:12] <ajmitch> RAOF: please don't, you'll make Laney far too happy
[11:12] <Andy80> hi
[11:12]  * RAOF may have been lying through his teeth.
[11:12] <Laney> do the rest of debhelper while you're at it
[11:12] <directhex> port debhelper to object pascal. it's the clear gentleman's choice
[11:13] <ajmitch> why not just use dash?
[11:13] <RAOF> directhex: What is the opaque gentleman's choice of language?
[11:14] <directhex> RAOF, perl6
[11:14] <RAOF> Bah.  Of course!
[11:15] <Laney> luckily there is a perl 6 implementation written in haskell
[11:15] <ajmitch> but is there a python implementation?
[11:16] <geser> is there also a haskell implementation in perl?
[11:16] <Laney> perl in haskell in perl
[11:16]  * Laney ties the knot
[11:17] <Laney> also, hi Andy80!
[11:18] <dholbach> wow - one of the ex-Beatles is following @ubuntudev! "Paul MacCartney @PMacCartney is now following you (@ubuntudev). "
[11:18] <dholbach> :-P
[11:19] <micahg> dholbach: :P
[11:19]  * dholbach starts writing the press release
[11:19] <Andy80> dholbach: yes.... surely is him :D
[11:20] <micahg> dholbach: you do realize it's not even the correct speliing, right?
[11:20] <dholbach> yes, I do
[11:20] <dholbach> :)
[11:20] <dholbach> I was kidding
[11:20] <Daviey> There is no such thing as an ex-Beatle, they'll be the Beatles forever
[11:20] <dholbach> Daviey, oh yeah, of course
[11:20] <dholbach> :-P
[11:20] <Daviey> :)
[11:28] <jalcine> A bit off-topic, but isn't it a bit more comforting to code with music in the background?
[11:28] <directhex> depends. aphex twin isn't comforting
[11:30] <jalcine> it's mostly instrumental i'd play in a little playlist. funny, it's how, when my friends come over, they know what I'm doing.
[11:43] <Laney> I have two "Music for office workers" playlists on Spotify that I found once
[11:43] <Laney> they are nice
[11:57] <dholbach> I'll go back to reviewing a few more patches and merge proposals
[11:57] <dholbach> if anyone wants anything reviewed, let me know
[11:57] <dholbach> (or if you have other questions, please speak up :-))
[12:02] <jalcine> Anyone got tips for http://lintian.debian.org/tags/postinst-has-useless-call-to-ldconfig.html ?
[12:02] <jalcine> The binary package there is just a collection of bundled plug-ins.
[12:02] <jalcine> Should I write out a postinst script and make it empty?
[12:16] <Laney> jalcine: so the bug is in some generated code?
[12:17] <Laney> ideally you could look at the generated postinst and figure out which debhelper command is buggy and fix that, but otherwise I wouldn't worry about it
[12:18] <jalcine> Alright then, thanks.
[12:19] <debfx> excluding the plugins from dh_makeshlibs would probably be the right thing to do
[12:23] <Laney> why does it call ldconfig for such libraries?
[12:25]  * jalcine isn't sure.
[12:25] <Laney> because you can't know if the user has changed ld.so.conf at build time I guess
[12:53] <jalcine> I think I've asked this before, but is there plans to update the pocketsphinx and sphinxbase source packages?
[13:13] <geser> jalcine: yes, you asked it before and there are no plans I know off, but you are free to update them yourself (I doubt anyone else will do it based on the amount of uploads it got till now)
[13:14] <jalcine> Sorry, but thanks!
[13:14] <jalcine> It's going to be a lot of work, it's gone from 0.5.1 to 0.7.3, I believe..
[13:15] <jalcine> Do we have to include the incremental versions or can we just add the latest version?
[13:21] <jalcine> Did anyone answer that?
[13:21] <geser> no, as you left before I could answer it
[13:21] <geser> packaging the last version is enough
[13:45]  * dupondje is thinking about an easy way to get the partition type in a script. parse fdisk output ?
[13:46] <tumbleweed> sfdisk is built for parsing
[13:47] <dupondje> sfdisk -d indeed :) other options?
[13:50] <dupondje> sfdisk -d /dev/sda 2>&1 |grep /dev/sda6 |cut -d, -f3 |cut -d= -f2 :)
[14:53] <dholbach> is anyone of the fix-it-friday'ers interested in doing a hangout? maybe that's a good opportunity to chat a bit and talk about things?
[14:54] <dholbach> I'm at https://plus.google.com/hangouts/extras/talk.google.com/ubuntu-dev# if you're interested
[15:42] <dholbach> how's the bug fixing action going for everyone?
[15:42] <dholbach> or is this just a "quiet working atmosphere"? ;-)
[15:49] <asomething> dholbach, patch in your in box =)
[15:50] <dholbach> yes, found it :)
[16:55] <yanes> hi all :)
[17:06] <dholbach> hey yanes
[17:06] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[17:06] <dholbach> Rcart, did you see your fix going in?
[17:06] <dholbach> good work :)
[17:07] <yanes> hi,
[17:07] <Rcart> hey dholbach, sure I did :D
[17:07] <yanes> who plz ?
[17:07] <dholbach> yanes, hm?
[17:08] <dholbach> yanes, do you have a question?
[17:08] <Rcart> well, I'm little bored of fixing typos (last 4 branches has just been typos ): )
[17:08] <yanes> yeh
[17:08] <dholbach> Rcart, did you see the etherpad page? we listed a couple of other bugs on there
[17:09] <yanes> it's about packaging  and to add my program to repos ;)
[17:09] <Rcart> dholbach: yeah, did it since yesterday. But that bugs are fixed upstream with patches available
[17:10] <dholbach> yanes, ah ok - did you see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages?
[17:10] <dholbach> Rcart, some of them are going to be a bit of detective work like figuring out what the fix consisted of and find out how we can we get it into Ubuntu most easily
[17:11] <Rcart> dholbach: applying those patches are not so hard. but I'd like to fix a bitsize FTBFS to get an overview of the process and learn how it works
[17:11] <dholbach> sure, there should be a number of ftbfses to fix still
[17:11] <dholbach> whatever you like, really :)
[17:12] <dholbach> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/
[17:14] <yanes> I need to wait for mentors and this proc. may be long .this discouraged me really ;)
[17:15] <yanes> I made my packages using dpkg-deb and I think I can help in packaging
[17:16] <dholbach> yanes, so you put up a .deb file somewhere and you wait for it to be sponsored?
[17:16] <Rcart> dholbach: Ok, I'll pick https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/newlib/1.18.0-6.1ubuntu2/+build/3249027
[17:17] <Rcart> dholbach: just give me 10 mins. Brb
[17:17] <dholbach> good luck! :)
[17:18] <yanes> yeh ,its here : http://yanes-softwares.bugs3.com/picsoptimizer.html
[17:18] <yanes> I 'mll be happy if you look around
[17:19] <dholbach> if you want to get it included in either Debian or Ubuntu, you will need to provide a source package, so the build can be reproduced on a build machine
[17:19] <dholbach> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/packaging-new-software.html and http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/debian-dir-overview.html (among others) might be handy
[17:27]  * Rcart is back
[17:28] <Rcart> dholbach: Ok, so, ftbfs are bugs that depend on source code (maybe updates), libraries, syntax, etc
[17:29] <dholbach> yes, it can also be a mixture of many things: sometimes a build dependency is missing, sometimes you might have to change the code because of API changes of a library, sometimes we had updates in our build infrastructure (compiler, linker, etc.) which will lead to having to do changes to the build system of the source
[17:29] <dholbach> I'd recommend to check if this was maybe fixed in Debian or Upstream before you do anything else
[17:29] <dholbach> some googling of the build error message might help
[17:30] <Rcart> let me see if I can find something ...
[17:38] <Rcart> dholbach: using reportbug to query the BTS I got: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=654257
[17:38] <dholbach> well done
[17:38] <dholbach> so it seems this was fixed before?
[17:38] <dholbach> ah no
[17:39] <dholbach> in 1.18.0-6.2
[17:39] <dholbach> we're at 1.18.0-6.1ubuntu2
[17:39] <dholbach> so it might be worth downloading both source packages and comparing them
[17:39] <dholbach> maybe we can just sync, but maybe we will have to do a merge
[17:42] <Rcart> dholbach: the diff is available in message #27
[17:43] <dholbach> sweet
[17:43] <Rcart> So, syncing or merging? what's the best choice?
[17:43] <dholbach> syncing does not seem to be an option
[17:43]  * Rcart thinks that fixing an ftbfs needs lot of kung-fu
[17:44] <dholbach> if you look at the debian/changelog of the Ubuntu package
[17:44] <dholbach> you see that we have changes which are not in Debian yet
[17:44] <dholbach> so merging the build fix sounds like a good idea
[17:45] <Rcart> sure, syncing will broke the changes make in ubuntu
[17:45] <Rcart> made*
[17:45] <dholbach> yep
[17:45] <Rcart> ok, I'll apply the patch and propose a merge
[17:48] <dholbach> Rcart, as we are only missing out on this single change it will probably be easy to do
[17:48] <dholbach> check out the changelog example in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging#Outline_of_Algorithm_for_Tackling_Merges
[17:48] <dholbach> this is just "conventions"
[17:56] <Rcart> dholbach: I don't get it. Is better to merge it from debian than applying the fix in ubuntu?
[17:59] <dholbach> Rcart, let me check the patch in the bug report
[18:00] <dholbach> Rcart, ah yes, that's the complete diff - great
[18:00] <dholbach> Rcart, in that case: apply the diff and write a changelog entry  just like the one on the wiki page
[18:00] <dholbach> this will be "the merge"
[18:01] <Rcart> dholbach: awesome, I'm working on it. But, would you explain what tackling merges is about?
[18:02] <dholbach> what you do is basically is ensuring that all changes, no matter if they were made in Ubuntu or in Debian are all present in the new upload
[18:02] <dholbach> the wiki page I mentioned explains how the process works and how you can use some tools to make it easier
[18:03] <dholbach> sometimes it's easy but sometimes it gives you an idea why it's a good idea to get all the changes to Debian and Upstream very early, so you can just sync the package :)
[18:03] <Rcart> xD
[18:05] <Rcart> merging this bug from debian, how should be the process?
[18:06] <yanes>  
[18:09] <dholbach> Rcart, you could just take the current ubuntu source package, apply the change from Debian, resolve possible conflicts and add the changelog entry
[18:16] <Rcart> dholbach: I got some rejections here
[18:17] <dholbach> yes, you might have to fix up a few things manually
[18:22] <dholbach> alright my friends - over here it's time to have dinner and kick off the weekend - have a good one yourself and see you soon! :)
[18:23] <dholbach> Rcart, I'm sure you'll find somebody else to help you in here :)
[18:23] <dholbach> good luck and let me know how it goes
[18:23] <Rcart> dholbach: yeah, I tell you later. thanks o/
[18:23] <dholbach> rock on
[18:23] <dholbach>  :)
[19:20] <shadeslayer> hi
[19:21] <shadeslayer> It seems that pdebuild-cross is not installable on precise because it needs a newer multistrap
[19:21] <shadeslayer> sepcifically  multistrap (>= 2.1.9)
[19:22] <shadeslayer> seems that it hasn't been updated since .. maveric :S
[19:36] <jtaylor> how do I figure outwho synced something?
[19:36] <micahg> jtaylor: check -changes?
[19:36] <micahg> jtaylor: which source?
[19:37] <broder> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-visual/1:5.12-1.3 shows it in the "changelog" section
[19:37] <broder> err, wait, that is actualy very confused, because i NMU'd that
[19:38] <jtaylor> thx found it
[19:38] <broder> i guess it doesn't actually show up on that page, e.g. with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/google-authenticator/20110413.68230188bdc7-1.1
[19:38] <savvas> Hi, what's the chance of including libarchive 3.0.3-6 and libgxps from debian unstable + xps-enabled evince for 12.04?
[19:39] <micahg> savvas: you'd need FFes for all of those
[19:39] <directhex> xps the microsoft format?
[19:40] <savvas> directhex: yes :) micahg: thanks, I'll try and file on all three
[19:41] <jtaylor> cjwatson: yuor ogre sync requries rebuilds of cegui-mk2 and libogre-perl, are you still going to do that?
[19:41] <savvas> I already have a working ppa: https://launchpad.net/~medigeek/+archive/evince-xps
[19:43] <micahg> savvas: libarchive would require a rebuild of about a dozen packages
[19:47] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ghc/7.4.1-1ubuntu2/+build/3271557
[19:48] <savvas> micahg: I know, I think that's why jbicha asked me in debian-gnome about the libgxps dependency on libarchive >= 3.0.3-6 - I guess my chances are very thin to include xps for now, micahg ? :)
[19:48] <savvas> 2.x would work, but not with microsoft xps documents
[19:48] <micahg> savvas: that's between you and the release team, if you can make an argument for its inclusion in the LTS, it's certainly possible
[19:49] <savvas> ok thank you
[19:49] <savvas> worth a shot :P
[20:10] <ajmitch> Laney: \o/
[21:26] <dupondje> What do you guys use for a virtual test setup? Virtualbox ?
[21:28] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/ghc.html
[21:28] <Laney> armhf has gone through, get syncing plz!
[21:30] <micahg> umm, with test builds please :)
[21:31] <Laney> you think people need reminding to do that?
[21:31] <micahg> unfortunately, yes :)
[21:40]  * jalcine sees lines and lines of haskell.. :P
[21:54] <ajmitch> micahg: what's a test build? ;)
[21:55] <Laney> what the buildds do?
[21:55] <ajmitch> of course
[21:55] <ScottK> In Soviet Russia, package test build you.
[21:56] <micahg> hehe
[22:24] <dupondje> damn, installing debian sid in a kvm vm, and its damn slow at formatting :(
[22:58] <pabelanger> dupondje: sounds like you need a SSD :)
[22:59] <ScottK> That or libeatmydata.
[23:16] <dupondje> pabelanger: well maby, but still, +2h isnt normal imo