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popeyMorning07:07
vibhavmorning07:08
Azelphurpfft morning, havn't slept yet.07:11
MartijnVdS\o07:11
* popey is at his mums house, waiting for some pikeys to come and tarmac the drive, so I can tell them to get lost07:21
Azelphurpopey: haha, did your mum get half scammed?07:29
matttmorning07:30
popeyyes07:32
Azelphurpoor mum :(07:33
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bigcalmpopey: don't upgrade your mum's machine while you're there08:33
popey08:33
popeytempted ☺08:33
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:33
bigcalmI'm still unsure what to do with my parents' viglen08:35
bigcalmReplace it with a revo maybe08:36
daubersMorning08:36
bittinMorning08:36
bittinupdating my PC to 11.1008:37
popeyretro08:38
bigcalmHeh08:38
bittinneed to find a good way of using Gnome instead of Unity when done08:39
bigcalmAnybody would think that you wanted to use a stable OS08:39
bittinand hope bugs with my network card is fixed08:39
bittinso i don't have modprobe cool commands to get the wlan to work :D08:39
christelmorning08:52
bittinmorning christel08:53
AlanBellmorning all08:58
bigcalmHullo08:59
czajkowskimorning09:02
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bittinmorning czajkowski09:04
bigcalmHello awakening peeps09:06
* mattt just had full english, and now needs nap09:10
popeyhehe09:12
popeyegg and bacon sarnie here09:12
bigcalmThat's what you get for visiting your mum?09:12
bigcalmI should visit my parents more frequently09:13
popeyyup09:17
daubersWhat is it with the channel and making people want bacon?09:18
TheOpenSourcererMorning someone mention bacon?09:18
daubers#ubuntu-uk - Bacon a prerequisite09:18
JamesTaitHappy Friday - wait, what, again? Already? ;)09:22
bigcalmHappy poptarts and cuppa tea09:24
bittinnow my computer is installing that tirrible Unity09:25
bittinthinking of trying out gnome 309:25
bittininstead09:25
gordonjcpI found gnome 3 a lot harder to use than unity09:27
bittinor maybe i should set it up as my old PC and stick with old shiny Openbox09:29
bittin:)09:52
bittinnow iam on 11.1009:52
popeyslightly less retro \o/09:54
TheOpenSourcerermust. stop. listening. to. 80s music. on. youtube...09:55
TheOpenSourcererFound myself tripping over Psychadelic Furs, Echo & The Bunnymen, Killing Joke, Talking Heads...09:56
bittinseems i can use it without being sad with Gnome 309:57
gordonjcpTheOpenSourcerer: nice10:03
BigRedSWe were having a '90s day earlier, but I think that's been vetoed since10:04
bittinnow i got Gnome 3 and gfx drivers aswell :)10:06
bittinand a proper irc client10:06
czajkowskiirssi++10:10
directhex80s? you youngsters. i'm listening to 30's10:10
* imexil is currently upgrading to beta ... why on earth ETA 3 hours when a fresh install takes 15 min10:14
imexiland it's not the download speed that's in the way: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1822877267.png :-D10:15
directheximexil, because a fresh install works by copying the cd's disk image to a hard drive, which is a relatively cheap operation computationally, whereas an upgrade needs to call dpkg on 2500 or so packages, where each operation is io and cpu intensive10:16
directhexa debian-installer based "alternative" fresh install is similarly slow10:16
imexil:-/10:16
directhexyou asked, i answered!10:17
directhexTEAMWORK!¬10:17
daubers\o/10:19
* BigRedS still doesn't understand why apt can't download while dpkg is installing10:19
BigRedSWell, no, I can see why it works like that because I've written things like that. I just wish it started installing the first package while it downloaded the second10:20
popeywhat if the internet connection breaks?10:20
popeyyou are left with half upgraded system10:20
dauberspopey: btrfs to the rescue \o/10:21
BigRedSI was more thinking when you do apt-get install <loads of things>, but yeah. I suppose slow enough that things stay sane would be good, but a fair whack of work to do10:21
BigRedSOh, no, this is definitely still '90s :)10:22
daubersBigRedS: Hit the B*witched yet?10:23
BigRedSdaubers: that's on the standard office playlist10:24
BigRedSunless it's been taken off again...10:24
daubersheh10:24
BigRedSwe've a shared spotify playlist which I keep throwing 90s pop at10:24
BigRedSand it keeps getting removed10:24
popey☹  spotify10:28
s-foxHeil10:28
s-fox:)10:28
popeyGreetings.10:28
* gord grumbles at spotify for not working yet everyone else saying its sooo good10:29
s-foxHey popey , how is the  upgrade going?10:29
popeyjust started10:29
popey15 mins to download 2346 packages10:29
s-foxWhat is she running at the minute?10:29
popeyAcer Aspire Revo, Atom CPU, nVidia ION GPU, 2GB RAM, 160GB hard disk10:30
gorddon't run the open source drivers on that ion chip, nasty texture leak will bite you10:31
gordalthough maybe its been fixed in 12.04, i doubt it10:32
popeyyeah, nvidia binary all the way10:33
directhexFREEDOM HATERS10:34
popeyYes?10:35
popeyBut it's okay now, nVidia are joining the Linux Foundation, so that's fine.10:35
MartijnVdSಠ_ಠ10:39
bigcalmFreedom confusers!10:39
* MartijnVdS bought a Sempron 145 + Asus barebone this week.. with integrated "Radeon 3000", which supports Unity 3d \o/10:39
* popey steals MartijnVdS eyes10:40
popeyಠ_ಠ10:40
popey\o/10:40
popeyset it so  O _ O does ಠ_ಠ10:40
* MartijnVdS has /lod for that10:40
MartijnVdSʘ‿ʘ10:41
MartijnVdS๏_๏10:42
popeyooo you bugger10:43
popeyʘ‿ಠ10:44
popey\o/10:44
MartijnVdS;)10:44
bittino_O10:44
seekerX_x10:44
MartijnVdS๏_ʘ10:44
jpds-.-10:45
bigcalmA Clockwork Orange10:45
bittin*_*10:45
seekerT_T10:45
bittinbigcalm: downloaded that and watched with a friend like 2-3weeks ago10:45
czajkowskipopey: http://www.businessandleadership.com/fs/img/news/200907/rs-426x288/odlums.jpg10:45
popeyhah10:46
gord_10:47
MartijnVdSgord: are those Ubuntu logos?10:47
popeyhah, they are10:47
gordlooks better in a non monospace ubuntu font ;)10:47
MartijnVdS♥‿♥10:48
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bittin:D10:48
* czajkowski stabs popey 10:48
bittinthis is why i like this channel10:48
directhexrock 'n' roll! \m/(^_^)\m/10:48
bittinbacking up my phone to change rom10:49
directhexi hate freedom so now i run windows phone 710:49
Pheetardhi all10:50
Pheetardi've been meaning to start spending time on irc when i DON'T have a tech support issue...but today is not that day.10:51
DJonesMorning all10:52
bittinHello Pheetard and DJones10:52
brobostigongood morning everyone.10:54
s-foxHello10:55
brobostigonhello s-fox10:55
s-foxHow're you doing?10:56
brobostigons-fox: not bad, sniffly nose, otherwise fine, and you?10:57
Pheetardso as far as i can figure out, via google and bugtrackers, i seem to have a laptop (specifically the GPU, although a LONG conversation on bugtracker seemed to say it was a BIOS or kernel issue)that just doesn't get along with oneiric10:57
s-foxI am glad it is friday brobostigon , it has been a long week :)10:57
popeyPheetard: what gpu?10:57
brobostigons-fox: :)10:57
Pheetardit's an emachines d620, the GPU is a radeon X1250 (which i think makes it an r600 or r690, i've been banging my head against this for so long now that strings of numbers are starting to lose their meaning)10:59
Pheetardi read over a thing on bugtracker about this exact issue, and they figured it out (through some sort of magic involving bisecting kernel builds) to be an issue with the laptop's BIOS and irq's11:01
Pheetardwhich has been fixed upstream in kernel 3.211:01
s-foxMy basement cat is probably the laziest thing ever - http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6150/4f59e36cec8d83059200000.jpg11:03
popeyawwwww11:04
popeycute11:04
Pheetardso i got the 3.2 kernel, and installed the latest gallium3d drivers from the xorg-edgers ppa (i now realise that being right on the bleeding edge of graphics driver software is not how you get gaming performance out of wine, and i'm in the process of un-doing all the ppa faffing about i've done)11:04
s-foxpopey,  I got to sleep in too this morning, the boss allowed it :)11:04
popey11:05
s-foxlol11:05
s-foxOr rather wasn't up at 6am to wake me up. haha11:05
Pheetardbasically, i've had two issues with playing games since switching back to ubuntu. firstly, i generally get really terrible DRI performance, natively (which the gallium ppa drivers (or atleast SOME ppa gallium drivers, it might not have been the xorg-edgers ones) had actually solved until i got cocky and grabbed the very latest updates that came out this morning) and secondly, wine seems to have some sort of problem with mouse cursors in di11:11
PheetardrectX applications11:11
Pheetardfirstly, to get me back to "clean" oneiric, what i need to do is remove all the PPA lines from /etc/apt/sources.list, then install and run ppa-purge, is that right?11:14
popeyno Pheetard11:20
Pheetardoh, i see, i need the ppa enabled to purge its packages. my mistake.11:21
popeydo ppa-purge first11:21
Pheetardppa-purge xorg-edgers running now11:21
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Pheetardi think what really freaks me out about oneiric (having been away using windows since win7 went public beta, around Maverick or Natty)  is how little use anything i remember is. synaptic's not installed by default, nor is aptitude, and i was always encouraged, back when i flitted between debian and ubuntu from week to week, to always prefer aptitude over apt-get (for reasons that were never made clear, just the grown-ups in #ubuntu and #de11:28
Pheetardbian insisted t was better somehow.11:28
directhexaptitude has a better dependency resolver, and tracks orphans11:29
Pheetardi see11:29
BigRedSwhere, IME, "better" = "drunk"11:30
Pheetardbut yeah, my point is, not to sound like a slackware user or anything, it sort of worries me that you don't need to learn any linux to run linux anymore.11:31
BigRedSNo, but you still *can*11:33
BigRedSwhich is enough of a compromise for me :)11:33
Pheetardyeah, i don't really mind it being made easier, i just need to remember not to take any 2-3 year breaks, because apparently everything gets replaced by much easier ways of doing things while i'm not looking.11:34
BigRedShaha11:34
BigRedSexcept grub211:35
BigRedSthat was invented to confuse you11:35
Pheetardi remember spending 3 days trawling  man pages and package repos trying to figure out how to mount an iso as a virtual drive, only to have my little brother come along and google "linux equivalent of daemon-tools" and find a simple explanation and GTK gui for loopback mounting. i feel like new users will miss out on the frustrating learning curve.11:38
Pheetardthe only reason i tried linux in the first place was because my hard drive died, and i still wanted to have a computer while i saved up my pocket money for a new one.11:40
Pheetardubuntu didn't have a liveCD at the time, this was 2003, i think. the closest thing was Knoppix, which was cool and all, but i couldn't make it do anything exciting, so i switched to Dyne:Bolic, not realising that a from-the-ground-up distro with no discernable package manager or release schedule was basically choosing 'hard mode'11:43
directhexubuntu didn't exist in 200311:45
directhexfirst release was 4.1011:45
Pheetardaw, pish. "ppa-purge xorg-edgers" has killed my virtualbox modules for 3.2 =( oh, well, i guess i won't be playing with backtrack or testing windows 8 for the next couple of weeks.11:47
Laneydoes aptitude know about multiarch yet?11:48
gordwould be so cool if i could throttle applications network usage in a similar fashion to controlling the volume of applications in pulse11:49
gordsomeone go make that ;)11:49
MartijnVdSgord: android can do that already I think11:50
MartijnVdStc + iptables/mark would do the job11:50
gordi really don't care on android11:50
bigcalmJust booked the w/c 16th July as holiday! Means we can relax after the RAT :)11:55
BigRedSthe whole week?11:57
bigcalmThe whole week11:58
bigcalmDoesn't mean that we'll be on the RAT for the whole week11:58
Laneymeans the hangover will last so12:02
bigcalmI should book my RAT tickets12:04
bigcalmWhere's my credit card?12:04
directhexwho's an apple user in here, and wants to buy an itunes £15 credit card we are never going to use?12:04
Pheetardit just occurred to me that ppa-purge won't have gotten rid of the drm kernel modules i built from git a couple of hours ago.12:08
Pheetardi hope it wasn't them that killed my rendering performance12:08
andylockranhey all12:17
* TheOpenSourcerer has also booked his ticket for the RAT.12:20
popeyyay12:23
* TheOpenSourcerer has had an expensive morning booking stuff on-line...12:25
TheOpenSourcererPosh Hotel in Stratford. Tickets to the RSC, Real Ale Train :-)12:26
* popey has had a morning of telling pikeys to gtfo our drive12:26
MartijnVdSpopey: more than once?!12:26
TheOpenSourcererOooh - there was a tweet the other day about a dodgy van and pikeys.12:26
TheOpenSourcerer"Tarmac your drive love?"12:26
MartijnVdSWhoa:12:33
MartijnVdS> Spoke to Element14 re RaspberryPi order. They are expecting stock mid June/July. LOL. APAC region has 55,000 backorders.12:33
MartijnVdShttps://twitter.com/#!/rhoaste/status/17809475161307136012:34
MartijnVdSand that's just apac12:34
popeyand thats just farnell12:37
MartijnVdSAnd that, yes12:37
mungojerryMartijnVdS, 55,000...whoah, nice work13:57
mungojerrythey could have avoided the mistakes if they had manufactured in the UK..14:00
bigcalmNot at the price they wanted14:01
mungojerrywasn't it a combination of price+size of order+speed?14:03
mungojerryand tax issues14:03
bigcalmMoney14:03
mungojerrybut now delays have been introduced.14:03
bigcalm :)14:03
gordits easy to play captain hindsight ;)14:10
bigcalmIn hindsight, I shouldn't have stayed so late at the LUG meeting on Wednesday. Yesterday evening I slept from 8.30pm14:16
s-foxI just got an abiword file emailed to me from someone who is a microsoft windows xp  user :-)15:32
gordonjcps-fox: heh15:32
gordonjcpthat's, uhm15:33
gordonjcpentertainingly baroque ;-)15:33
s-foxOkay, now I am concerned... it is a cv. Nothing like making it easy for employers...15:33
s-fox*shrug*15:34
imexilSo now I'm fresh on 12.04 I wonder if one can switch off the sticky behaviour on a multi screen setup when moving from one screen to the next one.15:39
matttwewt, friday!@15:50
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ali1234imexil: you can turn it right down to zero15:59
ali1234with CCSM15:59
* imexil looks16:00
imexilin which of the plugins would I find the setting?16:00
ali1234unity16:00
ali1234experimental tab16:00
ali1234launcher reveal edge responsiveness 516:01
ali1234launcher reveal pressure 116:01
ali1234launcher edge stop overcome pressure 316:01
ali1234pressure decay rate 116:01
ali1234edge stop velocity 1016:01
ali1234then it won't be anywhere near as annoying16:01
imexilthanks ali123416:02
imexil\o/16:02
ali1234while you;re there, you can also turn of hud16:02
ali1234key to show hud -> disabled16:02
ali1234that's on behaviour tab16:03
ali1234you can also disable windows key from doing anything as well16:03
* imexil wonders what a hud is16:03
popeytap alt16:03
popeyits that16:03
ali1234it's that horrible thing where you use drop down menus by doing a global text search16:03
* popey covers gords ears16:04
popeyer, eyes16:04
ali1234so i recommend also "key to show launcher" -> disabled16:04
imexilali1234: I get the feeling you like to deactivate almost everything of unity ;)16:04
ali1234then go into desktop wall plugin, bindings, and set the workspace switcher back to ctrl-alt16:04
imexilalready done that16:05
ali1234then go into ezoom plugin and reenable the zoom in/zoom out on windows-button 4/516:05
* imexil is confused that suddenly there is a <primary> key16:05
ali1234dunno what that means16:05
imexilwell instead of <control><alt>Left it now says <control><primary><alt>Left16:06
ali1234never seen that before16:07
ali1234after last update it got set to shift-windows or something16:07
imexilunfortunately the alt+ctrl+KP4 or 6 windows resizing by toggeling 1/3 1/2 2/3 bug of 11.10 is still present :(16:08
imexili.e., it does only 1/2 and no toggeling16:09
ali1234another thing i don't user16:09
imexilWell any way, I'm much less annoyed now by unity thanks to you16:09
popeythe <primary> thing is a GNOME 3 thingf16:16
popeythey renamed the control key16:16
imexilso how come it got into the unity setup?16:17
imexilbug?16:17
popeybecause unity is based on GNOME 316:17
popeyso we inherit what they did16:17
popeygood and bad ☺16:17
imexilof course16:17
imexilbut still this looks very strange: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/151762/Screenshot%20from%202012-03-09%2017%3A18%3A53.png16:19
popeyyup16:20
popeywelcome to the unfinished 12.0416:20
zleaphow do you export impress files as flash, i can't find anything in the help system16:22
bigcalmpopey: so you've pushed your mum onto 12.04?16:22
popeyya16:22
bigcalmpopey: does she a) know? b) know it isn't stable yet?16:22
popeymeh16:23
bigcalmHeh, bit of fun :)16:24
imexilpopey: I can live with that :) Was just wondering16:26
TheOpenSourcererer zleap on OOo I have an option under export that says "Macromedia Flash (swf)".16:44
zleapyeah found that16:44
zleapsorry i asked and was looking at the same time16:45
* gord would join in to #ShowYourDesktopFriday but it would just reveal how big a nerd he is16:46
bigcalmHumm16:47
s-foxI am going for a run. See you all later :)16:56
* bigcalm bandwagon jumps17:11
* daubers passes scorn at O2 UK17:34
jacobwevening18:58
brobostigonevenuing jacobw18:59
jacobwhey :)18:59
jacobwhow's going?18:59
brobostigonjacobw: not bad, various aches and pains, otherwise not bad. and you?19:01
jacobwi'm tired today, too much to do, not enough time19:02
brobostigon:(19:02
apacheukevening everyone19:17
jacobwhey apacheuk19:22
apacheukjacobw: hows it going19:24
jacobwok19:25
jacobwyou?19:25
apacheuknot bad trying new irc client for android, its quite in here tonight19:25
jacobwyeah, it's quiet19:26
MartijnVdSQuiescent19:28
jacobwthat's barely a word19:29
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Laneymmm naps19:51
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MartijnVdShttp://i.imgur.com/JVeS4.jpg19:59
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: :-)20:00
jacobwlol20:03
jacobwbeep21:01
MartijnVdSbeep?21:01
brobostigonmeep21:01
MartijnVdSwoop21:01
brobostigonweep21:01
jacobwbeep, beep, beep, beeeeeep21:02
jacobwbbc pips ftw21:02
MartijnVdSjacobw: should we call an ambulance?21:02
jacobwi'd rather you didn't21:02
Laneymmm carbonara21:06
MartijnVdScarabinieri?21:07
popeymeep21:14
MartijnVdSpopey: http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/scientifically-yours.html21:26
popeynice21:43
MartijnVdSSpeaking of "meep" :)21:43
Myrttioh my gawd I want a tea mug with a biscuit pocket!21:46
MartijnVdSMyrtti: You mean biscuit pockets you can hang off the side of a mug?21:50
MartijnVdSI gave those to my sister for her birthday21:50
AlanBellhttp://www.gadgets.co.uk/item/DUNKMUG/Dunk-Mug-with-Biscuit-Holder.html21:51
MartijnVdSAlanBell: ooh21:51
MartijnVdSAlanBell, Myrtti: http://www.holycool.net/2011/05/lilli-mini-bag-for-mugs.html21:52
bigcalmMyrtti: http://sweet-station.com/blog/2011/06/lilli-mini-bags-for-mugs/21:56
bigcalmHah, trying to find the right search terms is a pain21:56
bigcalmClose, but not quite what I was looking for (my mum has something similar put much more plain, and possibly from Lakeland)21:57
bigcalmBut, how about this, Myrtti: http://www.google.com/imgres?start=172&um=1&hl=en&client=ubuntu&sa=N&channel=fs&gl=uk&biw=1293&bih=725&tbm=isch&tbnid=TdKqMf41JPg8LM:&imgrefurl=http://www.toxel.com/inspiration/2009/01/20/24-modern-mugs-and-creative-mug-designs/&docid=XsQrXj61CVhDdM&imgurl=http://www.toxel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/creativemugs09.jpg&w=450&h=392&ei=RHxaT9mDJcSp8QPq3-yTDw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=294&sig=10306235630776976621:57
bigcalm535&page=9&tbnh=161&tbnw=185&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:172&tx=131&ty=4821:57
bigcalmOh, ffs21:57
bigcalmhttp://www.toxel.com/inspiration/2009/01/20/24-modern-mugs-and-creative-mug-designs/, 4th image on the page21:57
Myrttiooh ooh, aran cables knitting mug22:00
Myrttioh dear.22:00
MyrttiI want all of them.22:01
Myrttiis it only me or is the beeb30 page horrible?22:12
Myrttiwith £78 a pop one would have expected a bit better quality tickets22:12
MyrttiI mean, webpages22:12
dwatkinstoxel is a great site, bigcalm :)22:16

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