[07:07] <popey> Morning
[07:08] <vibhav> morning
[07:11] <Azelphur> pfft morning, havn't slept yet.
[07:11] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:21]  * popey is at his mums house, waiting for some pikeys to come and tarmac the drive, so I can tell them to get lost
[07:29] <Azelphur> popey: haha, did your mum get half scammed?
[07:30] <mattt> morning
[07:32] <popey> yes
[07:33] <Azelphur> poor mum :(
[08:33] <bigcalm> popey: don't upgrade your mum's machine while you're there
[08:33] <popey> ☺
[08:33] <popey> tempted ☺
[08:33] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:35] <bigcalm> I'm still unsure what to do with my parents' viglen
[08:36] <bigcalm> Replace it with a revo maybe
[08:36] <daubers> Morning
[08:36] <bittin> Morning
[08:37] <bittin> updating my PC to 11.10
[08:38] <popey> retro
[08:38] <bigcalm> Heh
[08:39] <bittin> need to find a good way of using Gnome instead of Unity when done
[08:39] <bigcalm> Anybody would think that you wanted to use a stable OS
[08:39] <bittin> and hope bugs with my network card is fixed
[08:39] <bittin> so i don't have modprobe cool commands to get the wlan to work :D
[08:52] <christel> morning
[08:53] <bittin> morning christel
[08:58] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:59] <bigcalm> Hullo
[09:02] <czajkowski> morning
[09:04] <bittin> morning czajkowski
[09:06] <bigcalm> Hello awakening peeps
[09:10]  * mattt just had full english, and now needs nap
[09:12] <popey> hehe
[09:12] <popey> egg and bacon sarnie here
[09:12] <bigcalm> That's what you get for visiting your mum?
[09:13] <bigcalm> I should visit my parents more frequently
[09:17] <popey> yup
[09:18] <daubers> What is it with the channel and making people want bacon?
[09:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning someone mention bacon?
[09:18] <daubers> #ubuntu-uk - Bacon a prerequisite
[09:22] <JamesTait> Happy Friday - wait, what, again? Already? ;)
[09:24] <bigcalm> Happy poptarts and cuppa tea
[09:25] <bittin> now my computer is installing that tirrible Unity
[09:25] <bittin> thinking of trying out gnome 3
[09:25] <bittin> instead
[09:27] <gordonjcp> I found gnome 3 a lot harder to use than unity
[09:29] <bittin> or maybe i should set it up as my old PC and stick with old shiny Openbox
[09:52] <bittin> :)
[09:52] <bittin> now iam on 11.10
[09:54] <popey> slightly less retro \o/
[09:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> must. stop. listening. to. 80s music. on. youtube...
[09:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Found myself tripping over Psychadelic Furs, Echo & The Bunnymen, Killing Joke, Talking Heads...
[09:57] <bittin> seems i can use it without being sad with Gnome 3
[10:03] <gordonjcp> TheOpenSourcerer: nice
[10:04] <BigRedS> We were having a '90s day earlier, but I think that's been vetoed since
[10:06] <bittin> now i got Gnome 3 and gfx drivers aswell :)
[10:06] <bittin> and a proper irc client
[10:10] <czajkowski> irssi++
[10:10] <directhex> 80s? you youngsters. i'm listening to 30's
[10:14]  * imexil is currently upgrading to beta ... why on earth ETA 3 hours when a fresh install takes 15 min
[10:15] <imexil> and it's not the download speed that's in the way: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1822877267.png :-D
[10:16] <directhex> imexil, because a fresh install works by copying the cd's disk image to a hard drive, which is a relatively cheap operation computationally, whereas an upgrade needs to call dpkg on 2500 or so packages, where each operation is io and cpu intensive
[10:16] <directhex> a debian-installer based "alternative" fresh install is similarly slow
[10:16] <imexil> :-/
[10:17] <directhex> you asked, i answered!
[10:17] <directhex> TEAMWORK!¬
[10:19] <daubers> \o/
[10:19]  * BigRedS still doesn't understand why apt can't download while dpkg is installing
[10:20] <BigRedS> Well, no, I can see why it works like that because I've written things like that. I just wish it started installing the first package while it downloaded the second
[10:20] <popey> what if the internet connection breaks?
[10:20] <popey> you are left with half upgraded system
[10:21] <daubers> popey: btrfs to the rescue \o/
[10:21] <BigRedS> I was more thinking when you do apt-get install <loads of things>, but yeah. I suppose slow enough that things stay sane would be good, but a fair whack of work to do
[10:22] <BigRedS> Oh, no, this is definitely still '90s :)
[10:23] <daubers> BigRedS: Hit the B*witched yet?
[10:24] <BigRedS> daubers: that's on the standard office playlist
[10:24] <BigRedS> unless it's been taken off again...
[10:24] <daubers> heh
[10:24] <BigRedS> we've a shared spotify playlist which I keep throwing 90s pop at
[10:24] <BigRedS> and it keeps getting removed
[10:28] <popey> ☹  spotify
[10:28] <s-fox> Heil
[10:28] <s-fox> :)
[10:28] <popey> Greetings.
[10:29]  * gord grumbles at spotify for not working yet everyone else saying its sooo good
[10:29] <s-fox> Hey popey , how is the  upgrade going?
[10:29] <popey> just started
[10:29] <popey> 15 mins to download 2346 packages
[10:29] <s-fox> What is she running at the minute?
[10:30] <popey> Acer Aspire Revo, Atom CPU, nVidia ION GPU, 2GB RAM, 160GB hard disk
[10:31] <gord> don't run the open source drivers on that ion chip, nasty texture leak will bite you
[10:32] <gord> although maybe its been fixed in 12.04, i doubt it
[10:33] <popey> yeah, nvidia binary all the way
[10:34] <directhex> FREEDOM HATERS
[10:35] <popey> Yes?
[10:35] <popey> But it's okay now, nVidia are joining the Linux Foundation, so that's fine.
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[10:39] <bigcalm> Freedom confusers!
[10:39]  * MartijnVdS bought a Sempron 145 + Asus barebone this week.. with integrated "Radeon 3000", which supports Unity 3d \o/
[10:40]  * popey steals MartijnVdS eyes
[10:40] <popey> ಠ_ಠ
[10:40] <popey> \o/
[10:40] <popey> set it so  O _ O does ಠ_ಠ
[10:40]  * MartijnVdS has /lod for that
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> ʘ‿ʘ
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> ๏_๏
[10:43] <popey> ooo you bugger
[10:44] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[10:44] <popey> \o/
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[10:44] <bittin> o_O
[10:44] <seeker> X_x
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> ๏_ʘ
[10:45] <jpds> -.-
[10:45] <bigcalm> A Clockwork Orange
[10:45] <bittin> *_*
[10:45] <seeker> T_T
[10:45] <bittin> bigcalm: downloaded that and watched with a friend like 2-3weeks ago
[10:45] <czajkowski> popey: http://www.businessandleadership.com/fs/img/news/200907/rs-426x288/odlums.jpg
[10:46] <popey> hah
[10:47] <gord> _
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> gord: are those Ubuntu logos?
[10:47] <popey> hah, they are
[10:47] <gord> looks better in a non monospace ubuntu font ;)
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> ♥‿♥
[10:48] <bittin> :D
[10:48]  * czajkowski stabs popey 
[10:48] <bittin> this is why i like this channel
[10:48] <directhex> rock 'n' roll! \m/(^_^)\m/
[10:49] <bittin> backing up my phone to change rom
[10:49] <directhex> i hate freedom so now i run windows phone 7
[10:50] <Pheetard> hi all
[10:51] <Pheetard> i've been meaning to start spending time on irc when i DON'T have a tech support issue...but today is not that day.
[10:52] <DJones> Morning all
[10:52] <bittin> Hello Pheetard and DJones
[10:54] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:55] <s-fox> Hello
[10:55] <brobostigon> hello s-fox
[10:56] <s-fox> How're you doing?
[10:57] <brobostigon> s-fox: not bad, sniffly nose, otherwise fine, and you?
[10:57] <Pheetard> so as far as i can figure out, via google and bugtrackers, i seem to have a laptop (specifically the GPU, although a LONG conversation on bugtracker seemed to say it was a BIOS or kernel issue)that just doesn't get along with oneiric
[10:57] <s-fox> I am glad it is friday brobostigon , it has been a long week :)
[10:57] <popey> Pheetard: what gpu?
[10:57] <brobostigon> s-fox: :)
[10:59] <Pheetard> it's an emachines d620, the GPU is a radeon X1250 (which i think makes it an r600 or r690, i've been banging my head against this for so long now that strings of numbers are starting to lose their meaning)
[11:01] <Pheetard> i read over a thing on bugtracker about this exact issue, and they figured it out (through some sort of magic involving bisecting kernel builds) to be an issue with the laptop's BIOS and irq's
[11:01] <Pheetard> which has been fixed upstream in kernel 3.2
[11:03] <s-fox> My basement cat is probably the laziest thing ever - http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6150/4f59e36cec8d83059200000.jpg
[11:04] <popey> awwwww
[11:04] <popey> cute
[11:04] <Pheetard> so i got the 3.2 kernel, and installed the latest gallium3d drivers from the xorg-edgers ppa (i now realise that being right on the bleeding edge of graphics driver software is not how you get gaming performance out of wine, and i'm in the process of un-doing all the ppa faffing about i've done)
[11:04] <s-fox> popey,  I got to sleep in too this morning, the boss allowed it :)
[11:05] <popey> ☺
[11:05] <s-fox> lol
[11:05] <s-fox> Or rather wasn't up at 6am to wake me up. haha
[11:11] <Pheetard> basically, i've had two issues with playing games since switching back to ubuntu. firstly, i generally get really terrible DRI performance, natively (which the gallium ppa drivers (or atleast SOME ppa gallium drivers, it might not have been the xorg-edgers ones) had actually solved until i got cocky and grabbed the very latest updates that came out this morning) and secondly, wine seems to have some sort of problem with mouse cursors in di
[11:11] <Pheetard> rectX applications
[11:14] <Pheetard> firstly, to get me back to "clean" oneiric, what i need to do is remove all the PPA lines from /etc/apt/sources.list, then install and run ppa-purge, is that right?
[11:20] <popey> no Pheetard
[11:21] <Pheetard> oh, i see, i need the ppa enabled to purge its packages. my mistake.
[11:21] <popey> do ppa-purge first
[11:21] <Pheetard> ppa-purge xorg-edgers running now
[11:28] <Pheetard> i think what really freaks me out about oneiric (having been away using windows since win7 went public beta, around Maverick or Natty)  is how little use anything i remember is. synaptic's not installed by default, nor is aptitude, and i was always encouraged, back when i flitted between debian and ubuntu from week to week, to always prefer aptitude over apt-get (for reasons that were never made clear, just the grown-ups in #ubuntu and #de
[11:28] <Pheetard> bian insisted t was better somehow.
[11:29] <directhex> aptitude has a better dependency resolver, and tracks orphans
[11:29] <Pheetard> i see
[11:30] <BigRedS> where, IME, "better" = "drunk"
[11:31] <Pheetard> but yeah, my point is, not to sound like a slackware user or anything, it sort of worries me that you don't need to learn any linux to run linux anymore.
[11:33] <BigRedS> No, but you still *can*
[11:33] <BigRedS> which is enough of a compromise for me :)
[11:34] <Pheetard> yeah, i don't really mind it being made easier, i just need to remember not to take any 2-3 year breaks, because apparently everything gets replaced by much easier ways of doing things while i'm not looking.
[11:34] <BigRedS> haha
[11:35] <BigRedS> except grub2
[11:35] <BigRedS> that was invented to confuse you
[11:38] <Pheetard> i remember spending 3 days trawling  man pages and package repos trying to figure out how to mount an iso as a virtual drive, only to have my little brother come along and google "linux equivalent of daemon-tools" and find a simple explanation and GTK gui for loopback mounting. i feel like new users will miss out on the frustrating learning curve.
[11:40] <Pheetard> the only reason i tried linux in the first place was because my hard drive died, and i still wanted to have a computer while i saved up my pocket money for a new one.
[11:43] <Pheetard> ubuntu didn't have a liveCD at the time, this was 2003, i think. the closest thing was Knoppix, which was cool and all, but i couldn't make it do anything exciting, so i switched to Dyne:Bolic, not realising that a from-the-ground-up distro with no discernable package manager or release schedule was basically choosing 'hard mode'
[11:45] <directhex> ubuntu didn't exist in 2003
[11:45] <directhex> first release was 4.10
[11:47] <Pheetard> aw, pish. "ppa-purge xorg-edgers" has killed my virtualbox modules for 3.2 =( oh, well, i guess i won't be playing with backtrack or testing windows 8 for the next couple of weeks.
[11:48] <Laney> does aptitude know about multiarch yet?
[11:49] <gord> would be so cool if i could throttle applications network usage in a similar fashion to controlling the volume of applications in pulse
[11:49] <gord> someone go make that ;)
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> gord: android can do that already I think
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> tc + iptables/mark would do the job
[11:50] <gord> i really don't care on android
[11:55] <bigcalm> Just booked the w/c 16th July as holiday! Means we can relax after the RAT :)
[11:57] <BigRedS> the whole week?
[11:58] <bigcalm> The whole week
[11:58] <bigcalm> Doesn't mean that we'll be on the RAT for the whole week
[12:02] <Laney> means the hangover will last so
[12:04] <bigcalm> I should book my RAT tickets
[12:04] <bigcalm> Where's my credit card?
[12:04] <directhex> who's an apple user in here, and wants to buy an itunes £15 credit card we are never going to use?
[12:08] <Pheetard> it just occurred to me that ppa-purge won't have gotten rid of the drm kernel modules i built from git a couple of hours ago.
[12:08] <Pheetard> i hope it wasn't them that killed my rendering performance
[12:17] <andylockran> hey all
[12:20]  * TheOpenSourcerer has also booked his ticket for the RAT.
[12:23] <popey> yay
[12:25]  * TheOpenSourcerer has had an expensive morning booking stuff on-line...
[12:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Posh Hotel in Stratford. Tickets to the RSC, Real Ale Train :-)
[12:26]  * popey has had a morning of telling pikeys to gtfo our drive
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> popey: more than once?!
[12:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - there was a tweet the other day about a dodgy van and pikeys.
[12:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Tarmac your drive love?"
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> Whoa:
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> > Spoke to Element14 re RaspberryPi order. They are expecting stock mid June/July. LOL. APAC region has 55,000 backorders.
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> https://twitter.com/#!/rhoaste/status/178094751613071360
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> and that's just apac
[12:37] <popey> and thats just farnell
[12:37] <MartijnVdS> And that, yes
[13:57] <mungojerry> MartijnVdS, 55,000...whoah, nice work
[14:00] <mungojerry> they could have avoided the mistakes if they had manufactured in the UK..
[14:01] <bigcalm> Not at the price they wanted
[14:03] <mungojerry> wasn't it a combination of price+size of order+speed?
[14:03] <mungojerry> and tax issues
[14:03] <bigcalm> Money
[14:03] <mungojerry> but now delays have been introduced.
[14:03] <bigcalm>  :)
[14:10] <gord> its easy to play captain hindsight ;)
[14:16] <bigcalm> In hindsight, I shouldn't have stayed so late at the LUG meeting on Wednesday. Yesterday evening I slept from 8.30pm
[15:32] <s-fox> I just got an abiword file emailed to me from someone who is a microsoft windows xp  user :-)
[15:32] <gordonjcp> s-fox: heh
[15:33] <gordonjcp> that's, uhm
[15:33] <gordonjcp> entertainingly baroque ;-)
[15:33] <s-fox> Okay, now I am concerned... it is a cv. Nothing like making it easy for employers...
[15:34] <s-fox> *shrug*
[15:39] <imexil> So now I'm fresh on 12.04 I wonder if one can switch off the sticky behaviour on a multi screen setup when moving from one screen to the next one.
[15:50] <mattt> wewt, friday!@
[15:59] <ali1234> imexil: you can turn it right down to zero
[15:59] <ali1234> with CCSM
[16:00]  * imexil looks
[16:00] <imexil> in which of the plugins would I find the setting?
[16:00] <ali1234> unity
[16:00] <ali1234> experimental tab
[16:01] <ali1234> launcher reveal edge responsiveness 5
[16:01] <ali1234> launcher reveal pressure 1
[16:01] <ali1234> launcher edge stop overcome pressure 3
[16:01] <ali1234> pressure decay rate 1
[16:01] <ali1234> edge stop velocity 10
[16:01] <ali1234> then it won't be anywhere near as annoying
[16:02] <imexil> thanks ali1234
[16:02] <imexil> \o/
[16:02] <ali1234> while you;re there, you can also turn of hud
[16:02] <ali1234> key to show hud -> disabled
[16:03] <ali1234> that's on behaviour tab
[16:03] <ali1234> you can also disable windows key from doing anything as well
[16:03]  * imexil wonders what a hud is
[16:03] <popey> tap alt
[16:03] <popey> its that
[16:03] <ali1234> it's that horrible thing where you use drop down menus by doing a global text search
[16:04]  * popey covers gords ears
[16:04] <popey> er, eyes
[16:04] <ali1234> so i recommend also "key to show launcher" -> disabled
[16:04] <imexil> ali1234: I get the feeling you like to deactivate almost everything of unity ;)
[16:04] <ali1234> then go into desktop wall plugin, bindings, and set the workspace switcher back to ctrl-alt
[16:05] <imexil> already done that
[16:05] <ali1234> then go into ezoom plugin and reenable the zoom in/zoom out on windows-button 4/5
[16:05]  * imexil is confused that suddenly there is a <primary> key
[16:05] <ali1234> dunno what that means
[16:06] <imexil> well instead of <control><alt>Left it now says <control><primary><alt>Left
[16:07] <ali1234> never seen that before
[16:07] <ali1234> after last update it got set to shift-windows or something
[16:08] <imexil> unfortunately the alt+ctrl+KP4 or 6 windows resizing by toggeling 1/3 1/2 2/3 bug of 11.10 is still present :(
[16:09] <imexil> i.e., it does only 1/2 and no toggeling
[16:09] <ali1234> another thing i don't user
[16:09] <imexil> Well any way, I'm much less annoyed now by unity thanks to you
[16:16] <popey> the <primary> thing is a GNOME 3 thingf
[16:16] <popey> they renamed the control key
[16:17] <imexil> so how come it got into the unity setup?
[16:17] <imexil> bug?
[16:17] <popey> because unity is based on GNOME 3
[16:17] <popey> so we inherit what they did
[16:17] <popey> good and bad ☺
[16:17] <imexil> of course
[16:19] <imexil> but still this looks very strange: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/151762/Screenshot%20from%202012-03-09%2017%3A18%3A53.png
[16:20] <popey> yup
[16:20] <popey> welcome to the unfinished 12.04
[16:22] <zleap> how do you export impress files as flash, i can't find anything in the help system
[16:22] <bigcalm> popey: so you've pushed your mum onto 12.04?
[16:22] <popey> ya
[16:22] <bigcalm> popey: does she a) know? b) know it isn't stable yet?
[16:23] <popey> meh
[16:24] <bigcalm> Heh, bit of fun :)
[16:26] <imexil> popey: I can live with that :) Was just wondering
[16:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> er zleap on OOo I have an option under export that says "Macromedia Flash (swf)".
[16:44] <zleap> yeah found that
[16:45] <zleap> sorry i asked and was looking at the same time
[16:46]  * gord would join in to #ShowYourDesktopFriday  but it would just reveal how big a nerd he is
[16:47] <bigcalm> Humm
[16:56] <s-fox> I am going for a run. See you all later :)
[17:11]  * bigcalm bandwagon jumps
[17:34]  * daubers passes scorn at O2 UK
[18:58] <jacobw> evening
[18:59] <brobostigon> evenuing jacobw
[18:59] <jacobw> hey :)
[18:59] <jacobw> how's going?
[19:01] <brobostigon> jacobw: not bad, various aches and pains, otherwise not bad. and you?
[19:02] <jacobw> i'm tired today, too much to do, not enough time
[19:02] <brobostigon> :(
[19:17] <apacheuk> evening everyone
[19:22] <jacobw> hey apacheuk
[19:24] <apacheuk> jacobw: hows it going
[19:25] <jacobw> ok
[19:25] <jacobw> you?
[19:25] <apacheuk> not bad trying new irc client for android, its quite in here tonight
[19:26] <jacobw> yeah, it's quiet
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> Quiescent
[19:29] <jacobw> that's barely a word
[19:51] <Laney> mmm naps
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/JVeS4.jpg
[20:00] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: :-)
[20:03] <jacobw> lol
[21:01] <jacobw> beep
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> beep?
[21:01] <brobostigon> meep
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> woop
[21:01] <brobostigon> weep
[21:02] <jacobw> beep, beep, beep, beeeeeep
[21:02] <jacobw> bbc pips ftw
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: should we call an ambulance?
[21:02] <jacobw> i'd rather you didn't
[21:06] <Laney> mmm carbonara
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> carabinieri?
[21:14] <popey> meep
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/scientifically-yours.html
[21:43] <popey> nice
[21:43] <MartijnVdS> Speaking of "meep" :)
[21:46] <Myrtti> oh my gawd I want a tea mug with a biscuit pocket!
[21:50] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: You mean biscuit pockets you can hang off the side of a mug?
[21:50] <MartijnVdS> I gave those to my sister for her birthday
[21:51] <AlanBell> http://www.gadgets.co.uk/item/DUNKMUG/Dunk-Mug-with-Biscuit-Holder.html
[21:51] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: ooh
[21:52] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell, Myrtti: http://www.holycool.net/2011/05/lilli-mini-bag-for-mugs.html
[21:56] <bigcalm> Myrtti: http://sweet-station.com/blog/2011/06/lilli-mini-bags-for-mugs/
[21:56] <bigcalm> Hah, trying to find the right search terms is a pain
[21:57] <bigcalm> Close, but not quite what I was looking for (my mum has something similar put much more plain, and possibly from Lakeland)
[21:57] <bigcalm> But, how about this, Myrtti: http://www.google.com/imgres?start=172&um=1&hl=en&client=ubuntu&sa=N&channel=fs&gl=uk&biw=1293&bih=725&tbm=isch&tbnid=TdKqMf41JPg8LM:&imgrefurl=http://www.toxel.com/inspiration/2009/01/20/24-modern-mugs-and-creative-mug-designs/&docid=XsQrXj61CVhDdM&imgurl=http://www.toxel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/creativemugs09.jpg&w=450&h=392&ei=RHxaT9mDJcSp8QPq3-yTDw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=294&sig=103062356307769766
[21:57] <bigcalm> 535&page=9&tbnh=161&tbnw=185&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:172&tx=131&ty=48
[21:57] <bigcalm> Oh, ffs
[21:57] <bigcalm> http://www.toxel.com/inspiration/2009/01/20/24-modern-mugs-and-creative-mug-designs/, 4th image on the page
[22:00] <Myrtti> ooh ooh, aran cables knitting mug
[22:00] <Myrtti> oh dear.
[22:01] <Myrtti> I want all of them.
[22:12] <Myrtti> is it only me or is the beeb30 page horrible?
[22:12] <Myrtti> with £78 a pop one would have expected a bit better quality tickets
[22:12] <Myrtti> I mean, webpages
[22:16] <dwatkins> toxel is a great site, bigcalm :)