| ChinnoDog | No more MutantTurkey | 00:19 |
|---|---|---|
| ChinnoDog | must be free range turkey | 00:20 |
| rmg51 | he's just hiding until after dinner | 00:24 |
| InHisName | MutantChimiChanga ? | 02:49 |
| rmg51 | Morning | 10:57 |
| JonathanD | Morning. | 10:58 |
| adom | i swear to god im reformatting and reinstalling this server just because twirssi won't work and i hate cpan | 15:44 |
| ChinnoDog | Swearing to god won't help. He only runs Windows. | 15:46 |
| waltman | seems kinda harsh | 15:53 |
| waltman | cpan is your friend | 15:53 |
| ChinnoDog | I try to use the Ubuntu packages instead of cpan when I can but I've used cpan for unpackaged modules. Seems like having both install methods is dangerous. | 15:55 |
| waltman | App::cpanminus and App::cpanoutdated can make dealing with it a lot less painful. | 15:55 |
| waltman | ChinnoDog: Agreed. If you're not installing your own perl, that's often the best bet. | 15:58 |
| waltman | with the caveat that both the system perl and the modules might not be the latest and greatest. | 15:58 |
| ChinnoDog | waltman: can cpan be trusted to uninstall modules cleanly? | 16:12 |
| waltman | not so much, sadly, but with most modules you can run "make uninstall" | 16:16 |
| waltman | there's often not much need to uninstall modules, aside from cpan thinking they're out of date and wanting to upgrade them | 16:17 |
| waltman | I realize those aren't great answers, but that's the situation. | 16:18 |
| ChinnoDog | Seems like the best solution would be for someone to write a cpan wrapper that will install modules with checkinstall and then not bother with the repository packages | 16:19 |
| ChinnoDog | Then you can have latest and greatest and still be sure it can be removed | 16:20 |
| ChinnoDog | sup MutantTurkey | 16:50 |
| MutantTurkey | sup | 16:57 |
| InHisName | supper will be up soon | 17:35 |
| MutantTurkey | still in bed | 17:51 |
| MutantTurkey | catching up on much needed sleep | 17:51 |
| waltman | turkeys are nocturnal hunters | 17:52 |
| MutantTurkey | noctural? i cat stay up past like 11 | 18:22 |
| ChinnoDog | oh no. MutantTurkey, are you a morning person? | 18:25 |
| MutantTurkey | no... | 18:26 |
| MutantTurkey | im a teenager | 18:26 |
| MutantTurkey | gigging tonight and we're supposed to be practcing right now and my guitar player is nowhere to be seen | 18:30 |
| ChinnoDog | When I was a teenager I stayed up to all hours of the night | 18:34 |
| ChinnoDog | sleeping was optional | 18:34 |
| MutantTurkey | yeah I am a growing boy - i need my sleep | 18:37 |
| ChinnoDog | The standard test for determining how sleep deprived you are doesn't work on teenagers because it always shows they are fully rested even when they aren't. | 18:38 |
| jedijf | like a power meter? | 18:39 |
| jedijf | s/power/battery | 18:40 |
| adom | i hate when i wake up at 6:30am fully refreshed but its an hour too early to get ready. so i sleep for another hour and an hour later its so hard to get out of bed for some reason. | 18:41 |
| adom | like, i was fine, but sleep for another hour and i dont want to get up now. | 18:41 |
| * jedijf nods | 18:42 | |
| ChinnoDog | yea, that is difficult adom. I do that too. | 18:44 |
| ChinnoDog | There is a watch you can get that will monitor your sleep cycle and wake you up when you naturally wake up closest to your alarm time. I've never tried it though. | 18:44 |
| adom | sounds cool | 18:44 |
| waltman | Today's "kids these days" story involves trying to borrow a pencil from someone. | 18:45 |
| ChinnoDog | jedijf: it isn't a power meter. The stnadard test is to put someone in a dark soundless room and see how many minutes it takes for them to fall to sleep. The scale goes up to 20 minutes. | 18:45 |
| ChinnoDog | waltman: So.. uh... did it work out? | 18:45 |
| waltman | no fair. teenages can sleep anywhere. | 18:45 |
| adom | someone tell me a command-line file manager. something that visually lets me see/move around files via an SSH session. | 18:46 |
| MutantTurkey | ls rm cp rsync.. | 18:46 |
| MutantTurkey | mc | 18:46 |
| waltman | ChinnoDog: Not so well with the kid who's the junion sysadmin. I had to go to the department secretary. | 18:46 |
| ChinnoDog | haha | 18:46 |
| ChinnoDog | At work I wanted a pencil recently | 18:47 |
| waltman | adom: or run your favoriate gui file manager in an SSH tunnel | 18:47 |
| MutantTurkey | waltman: it doesnt work so wel.... | 18:47 |
| ChinnoDog | So I went to the supply closet and I dug and there were no mechanical pencils. There was some lead though. There were also some regular pencils so I picked one up | 18:47 |
| jedijf | sshfs | 18:47 |
| ChinnoDog | But, there weren't any pencil sharpeners | 18:47 |
| waltman | MutantTurkey: why not? | 18:47 |
| MutantTurkey | oh duh :p | 18:47 |
| MutantTurkey | I thought you were saying X11 over ssh... | 18:47 |
| MutantTurkey | hehe | 18:47 |
| ChinnoDog | So I had no choice but to get out my swiss army knife and whittle a tip onto my pencil | 18:47 |
| MutantTurkey | nevermind me | 18:47 |
| waltman | no, tunneling your current x session | 18:48 |
| ChinnoDog | No one stocks the supply closet with mechanical pencils or sharpeners. I don't think there are any there now, months later | 18:48 |
| waltman | ChinnoDog++ # old school | 18:48 |
| jedijf | karma and hastag | 18:49 |
| jedijf | hash | 18:49 |
| adom | mc is perfect thanks | 18:49 |
| ChinnoDog | My pencil is very rustic looking | 18:49 |
| jedijf | i have 2 electric sharpeners and no pencils in office | 18:50 |
| ChinnoDog | ha. You had pencils once upon a time | 18:51 |
| ChinnoDog | I should get one of those crank operated pencil sharpeners like at school and attach it to my desk at work as a joke | 18:51 |
| waltman | I've got one of those at home. It doesn't work very well. | 19:06 |
| waltman | But I mainly just use pencils for crossword puzzles. For a while I tried switching back to wood pencils. They spell better, but mechanical pencils are a lot more practical. | 19:07 |
| waltman | s/spell/smell/ # hah | 19:07 |
| ChinnoDog | freudian slip | 19:14 |
| ChinnoDog | Maybe they spell better too. | 19:14 |
| ChinnoDog | In school I used to buy "natural" pencils that didn't have any paint on them. | 19:15 |
| ChinnoDog | They were cool. Wood grain pencils ftw. | 19:15 |
| adom | in mc, what do you press to transfer the highlighted file/folder in the left pane to the right folder? | 20:26 |
| adom | nvm found the hotkeys on bottom | 20:27 |
| adom | i like it, its kind of like nano | 20:27 |
| adom | which is to say, its noob-friendly ^_^ | 20:27 |
| adom | <-- newb | 20:27 |
| adom | so, i think my 1TB backup drive at home i use for general backup/storage is crapping the bed | 20:58 |
| adom | i keep tryign to remount it and it says "can't read superblock" | 20:58 |
| adom | which sucks because its where i keep ALL of my spare files. software, games, pictures, etc | 21:01 |
| adom | everything but video | 21:02 |
| adom | video gets its own 1TB drive, and thats working fine | 21:02 |
| adom | if anyone has any experience with that "can't read superblock" error mounting drives and has somehting i could try to resurrect it, id be much obliged. might check in over the weekend, prob not til monday. happy weekend all! | 21:06 |
| waltman | adom: Sucks. But it's a *backup*, right? So you have other copies of those files? :) | 21:35 |
| ChinnoDog | "spare" files | 22:01 |
| waltman | "backups" | 22:06 |
| ChinnoDog | hehe | 22:08 |
| waltman | Just some spare pictures. Nothing important. | 22:08 |
| ChinnoDog | It only took 10 years to capture them and you can't get them back, but its not a big deal. | 22:09 |
| jedijf | digital hoarders | 22:17 |
| jedijf | adom: should be fixable - google will guide you | 22:24 |
| jedijf | superblock backs itself up; doesn't trust us | 22:26 |
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