[00:19] <ChinnoDog> No more MutantTurkey
[00:20] <ChinnoDog> must be free range turkey
[00:24] <rmg51> he's just hiding until after dinner
[02:49] <InHisName> MutantChimiChanga ?
[10:57] <rmg51> Morning
[10:58] <JonathanD> Morning.
[15:44] <adom> i swear to god im reformatting and reinstalling this server just because twirssi won't work and i hate cpan
[15:46] <ChinnoDog> Swearing to god won't help. He only runs Windows.
[15:53] <waltman> seems kinda harsh
[15:53] <waltman> cpan is your friend
[15:55] <ChinnoDog> I try to use the Ubuntu packages instead of cpan when I can but I've used cpan for unpackaged modules. Seems like having both install methods is dangerous.
[15:55] <waltman> App::cpanminus and App::cpanoutdated can make dealing with it a lot less painful.
[15:58] <waltman> ChinnoDog: Agreed. If you're not installing your own perl, that's often the best bet.
[15:58] <waltman> with the caveat that both the system perl and the modules might not be the latest and greatest.
[16:12] <ChinnoDog> waltman: can cpan be trusted to uninstall modules cleanly?
[16:16] <waltman> not so much, sadly, but with most modules you can run "make uninstall"
[16:17] <waltman> there's often not much need to uninstall modules, aside from cpan thinking they're out of date and wanting to upgrade them
[16:18] <waltman> I realize those aren't great answers, but that's the situation.
[16:19] <ChinnoDog> Seems like the best solution would be for someone to write a cpan wrapper that will install modules with checkinstall and then not bother with the repository packages
[16:20] <ChinnoDog> Then you can have latest and greatest and still be sure it can be removed
[16:50] <ChinnoDog> sup MutantTurkey
[16:57] <MutantTurkey> sup
[17:35] <InHisName> supper will be up soon
[17:51] <MutantTurkey> still in bed
[17:51] <MutantTurkey> catching up on much needed sleep
[17:52] <waltman> turkeys are nocturnal hunters
[18:22] <MutantTurkey> noctural? i cat stay up past like 11
[18:25] <ChinnoDog> oh no. MutantTurkey, are you a morning person?
[18:26] <MutantTurkey> no...
[18:26] <MutantTurkey> im a teenager
[18:30] <MutantTurkey> gigging tonight and we're supposed to be practcing right now and my guitar player is nowhere to be seen
[18:34] <ChinnoDog> When I was a teenager I stayed up to all hours of the night
[18:34] <ChinnoDog> sleeping was optional
[18:37] <MutantTurkey> yeah I am a growing boy - i need my sleep
[18:38] <ChinnoDog> The standard test for determining how sleep deprived you are doesn't work on teenagers because it always shows they are fully rested even when they aren't.
[18:39] <jedijf> like a power meter?
[18:40] <jedijf> s/power/battery
[18:41] <adom> i hate when i wake up at 6:30am fully refreshed but its an hour too early to get ready. so i sleep for another hour and an hour later its so hard to get out of bed for some reason.
[18:41] <adom> like, i was fine, but sleep for another hour and i dont want to get up now.
[18:42]  * jedijf nods
[18:44] <ChinnoDog> yea, that is difficult adom. I do that too.
[18:44] <ChinnoDog> There is a watch you can get that will monitor your sleep cycle and wake you up when you naturally wake up closest to your alarm time. I've never tried it though.
[18:44] <adom> sounds cool
[18:45] <waltman> Today's "kids these days" story involves trying to borrow a pencil from someone.
[18:45] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: it isn't a power meter. The stnadard test is to put someone in a dark soundless room and see how many minutes it takes for them to fall to sleep. The scale goes up to 20 minutes.
[18:45] <ChinnoDog> waltman: So.. uh... did it work out?
[18:45] <waltman> no fair. teenages can sleep anywhere.
[18:46] <adom> someone tell me a command-line file manager. something that visually lets me see/move around files via an SSH session.
[18:46] <MutantTurkey> ls rm cp rsync..
[18:46] <MutantTurkey> mc
[18:46] <waltman> ChinnoDog: Not so well with the kid who's the junion sysadmin. I had to go to the department secretary.
[18:46] <ChinnoDog> haha
[18:47] <ChinnoDog> At work I wanted a pencil recently
[18:47] <waltman> adom: or run your favoriate gui file manager in an SSH tunnel
[18:47] <MutantTurkey> waltman: it doesnt work so wel....
[18:47] <ChinnoDog> So I went to the supply closet and I dug and there were no mechanical pencils. There was some lead though. There were also some regular pencils so I picked one up
[18:47] <jedijf> sshfs
[18:47] <ChinnoDog> But, there weren't any pencil sharpeners
[18:47] <waltman> MutantTurkey: why not?
[18:47] <MutantTurkey> oh duh :p
[18:47] <MutantTurkey> I thought you were saying X11 over ssh...
[18:47] <MutantTurkey> hehe
[18:47] <ChinnoDog> So I had no choice but to get out my swiss army knife and whittle a tip onto my pencil
[18:47] <MutantTurkey> nevermind me
[18:48] <waltman> no, tunneling your current x session
[18:48] <ChinnoDog> No one stocks the supply closet with mechanical pencils or sharpeners. I don't think there are any there now, months later
[18:48] <waltman> ChinnoDog++ # old school
[18:49] <jedijf> karma and hastag
[18:49] <jedijf> hash
[18:49] <adom> mc is perfect thanks
[18:49] <ChinnoDog> My pencil is very rustic looking
[18:50] <jedijf> i have 2 electric sharpeners and no pencils in office
[18:51] <ChinnoDog> ha. You had pencils once upon a time
[18:51] <ChinnoDog> I should get one of those crank operated pencil sharpeners like at school and attach it to my desk at work as a joke
[19:06] <waltman> I've got one of those at home. It doesn't work very well.
[19:07] <waltman> But I mainly just use pencils for crossword puzzles. For a while I tried switching back to wood pencils. They spell better, but mechanical pencils are a lot more practical.
[19:07] <waltman> s/spell/smell/ # hah
[19:14] <ChinnoDog> freudian slip
[19:14] <ChinnoDog> Maybe they spell better too.
[19:15] <ChinnoDog> In school I used to buy "natural" pencils that didn't have any paint on them.
[19:15] <ChinnoDog> They were cool. Wood grain pencils ftw.
[20:26] <adom> in mc, what do you press to transfer the highlighted file/folder in the left pane to the right folder?
[20:27] <adom> nvm found the hotkeys on bottom
[20:27] <adom> i like it, its kind of like nano
[20:27] <adom> which is to say, its noob-friendly ^_^
[20:27] <adom> <-- newb
[20:58] <adom> so, i think my 1TB backup drive at home i use for general backup/storage is crapping the bed
[20:58] <adom> i keep tryign to remount it and it says "can't read superblock"
[21:01] <adom> which sucks because its where i keep ALL of my spare files. software, games, pictures, etc
[21:02] <adom> everything but video
[21:02] <adom> video gets its own 1TB drive, and thats working fine
[21:06] <adom>  if anyone has any experience with that "can't read superblock" error mounting drives and has somehting i could try to resurrect it, id be much obliged. might check in over the weekend, prob not til monday. happy weekend all!
[21:35] <waltman> adom: Sucks. But it's a *backup*, right? So you have other copies of those files? :)
[22:01] <ChinnoDog> "spare" files
[22:06] <waltman> "backups"
[22:08] <ChinnoDog> hehe
[22:08] <waltman> Just some spare pictures. Nothing important.
[22:09] <ChinnoDog> It only took 10 years to capture them and you can't get them back, but its not a big deal.
[22:17] <jedijf> digital hoarders
[22:24] <jedijf> adom: should be fixable - google will guide you
[22:26] <jedijf> superblock backs itself up; doesn't trust us