[00:19] No more MutantTurkey [00:20] must be free range turkey [00:24] he's just hiding until after dinner [02:49] MutantChimiChanga ? [10:57] Morning [10:58] Morning. [15:44] i swear to god im reformatting and reinstalling this server just because twirssi won't work and i hate cpan [15:46] Swearing to god won't help. He only runs Windows. [15:53] seems kinda harsh [15:53] cpan is your friend [15:55] I try to use the Ubuntu packages instead of cpan when I can but I've used cpan for unpackaged modules. Seems like having both install methods is dangerous. [15:55] App::cpanminus and App::cpanoutdated can make dealing with it a lot less painful. [15:58] ChinnoDog: Agreed. If you're not installing your own perl, that's often the best bet. [15:58] with the caveat that both the system perl and the modules might not be the latest and greatest. [16:12] waltman: can cpan be trusted to uninstall modules cleanly? [16:16] not so much, sadly, but with most modules you can run "make uninstall" [16:17] there's often not much need to uninstall modules, aside from cpan thinking they're out of date and wanting to upgrade them [16:18] I realize those aren't great answers, but that's the situation. [16:19] Seems like the best solution would be for someone to write a cpan wrapper that will install modules with checkinstall and then not bother with the repository packages [16:20] Then you can have latest and greatest and still be sure it can be removed [16:50] sup MutantTurkey [16:57] sup [17:35] supper will be up soon [17:51] still in bed [17:51] catching up on much needed sleep [17:52] turkeys are nocturnal hunters [18:22] noctural? i cat stay up past like 11 [18:25] oh no. MutantTurkey, are you a morning person? [18:26] no... [18:26] im a teenager [18:30] gigging tonight and we're supposed to be practcing right now and my guitar player is nowhere to be seen [18:34] When I was a teenager I stayed up to all hours of the night [18:34] sleeping was optional [18:37] yeah I am a growing boy - i need my sleep [18:38] The standard test for determining how sleep deprived you are doesn't work on teenagers because it always shows they are fully rested even when they aren't. [18:39] like a power meter? [18:40] s/power/battery [18:41] i hate when i wake up at 6:30am fully refreshed but its an hour too early to get ready. so i sleep for another hour and an hour later its so hard to get out of bed for some reason. [18:41] like, i was fine, but sleep for another hour and i dont want to get up now. [18:42] * jedijf nods [18:44] yea, that is difficult adom. I do that too. [18:44] There is a watch you can get that will monitor your sleep cycle and wake you up when you naturally wake up closest to your alarm time. I've never tried it though. [18:44] sounds cool [18:45] Today's "kids these days" story involves trying to borrow a pencil from someone. [18:45] jedijf: it isn't a power meter. The stnadard test is to put someone in a dark soundless room and see how many minutes it takes for them to fall to sleep. The scale goes up to 20 minutes. [18:45] waltman: So.. uh... did it work out? [18:45] no fair. teenages can sleep anywhere. [18:46] someone tell me a command-line file manager. something that visually lets me see/move around files via an SSH session. [18:46] ls rm cp rsync.. [18:46] mc [18:46] ChinnoDog: Not so well with the kid who's the junion sysadmin. I had to go to the department secretary. [18:46] haha [18:47] At work I wanted a pencil recently [18:47] adom: or run your favoriate gui file manager in an SSH tunnel [18:47] waltman: it doesnt work so wel.... [18:47] So I went to the supply closet and I dug and there were no mechanical pencils. There was some lead though. There were also some regular pencils so I picked one up [18:47] sshfs [18:47] But, there weren't any pencil sharpeners [18:47] MutantTurkey: why not? [18:47] oh duh :p [18:47] I thought you were saying X11 over ssh... [18:47] hehe [18:47] So I had no choice but to get out my swiss army knife and whittle a tip onto my pencil [18:47] nevermind me [18:48] no, tunneling your current x session [18:48] No one stocks the supply closet with mechanical pencils or sharpeners. I don't think there are any there now, months later [18:48] ChinnoDog++ # old school [18:49] karma and hastag [18:49] hash [18:49] mc is perfect thanks [18:49] My pencil is very rustic looking [18:50] i have 2 electric sharpeners and no pencils in office [18:51] ha. You had pencils once upon a time [18:51] I should get one of those crank operated pencil sharpeners like at school and attach it to my desk at work as a joke [19:06] I've got one of those at home. It doesn't work very well. [19:07] But I mainly just use pencils for crossword puzzles. For a while I tried switching back to wood pencils. They spell better, but mechanical pencils are a lot more practical. [19:07] s/spell/smell/ # hah [19:14] freudian slip [19:14] Maybe they spell better too. [19:15] In school I used to buy "natural" pencils that didn't have any paint on them. [19:15] They were cool. Wood grain pencils ftw. [20:26] in mc, what do you press to transfer the highlighted file/folder in the left pane to the right folder? [20:27] nvm found the hotkeys on bottom [20:27] i like it, its kind of like nano [20:27] which is to say, its noob-friendly ^_^ [20:27] <-- newb [20:58] so, i think my 1TB backup drive at home i use for general backup/storage is crapping the bed [20:58] i keep tryign to remount it and it says "can't read superblock" [21:01] which sucks because its where i keep ALL of my spare files. software, games, pictures, etc [21:02] everything but video [21:02] video gets its own 1TB drive, and thats working fine [21:06] if anyone has any experience with that "can't read superblock" error mounting drives and has somehting i could try to resurrect it, id be much obliged. might check in over the weekend, prob not til monday. happy weekend all! [21:35] adom: Sucks. But it's a *backup*, right? So you have other copies of those files? :) [22:01] "spare" files [22:06] "backups" [22:08] hehe [22:08] Just some spare pictures. Nothing important. [22:09] It only took 10 years to capture them and you can't get them back, but its not a big deal. [22:17] digital hoarders [22:24] adom: should be fixable - google will guide you [22:26] superblock backs itself up; doesn't trust us