[04:23] <nuvolari> what's wrong with a developer if he/she does'nt use IRC?
[04:23] <nuvolari> :P
[06:02] <magespawn_> morning all, have good friday y'all
[06:10] <magespawn> good morning again
[06:12] <nlsthzn> :) morning magespawn ...
[06:22] <sakhi> Morning
[06:24] <nlsthzn> o/ sakhi 
[06:27] <magespawn> hey hey its friday
[06:31] <nlsthzn> friday, friday... got to het down on friday...
[06:31] <nlsthzn> *get
[06:31] <magespawn> indeed
[06:43] <superfly> Formal Friday
[06:43] <magespawn> frisky friday
[06:44] <superfly> if only :-P
[06:44] <nlsthzn> lol
[06:46] <magespawn> i just got superglue on my tongue
[06:46] <superfly> magespawn: don't press your tongue against the roof of your moust!
[06:47] <superfly> *mouth
[06:47] <magespawn> people might think it rude if i walk aroung with my tongue out
[06:48] <nlsthzn> in this case I would rather be rude
[06:49] <magespawn> good point
[06:49] <superfly> yeah, ditto
[06:50] <magespawn> just for the record it does not taste good
[06:52] <nlsthzn> I don't think it is supposed too...
[06:54] <Kilos> hi superfly magespawn inetpro nlsthzn nuvolari Squirm Owkkuri plustwo and others
[06:54] <Kilos> hehe
[06:54] <nlsthzn> Morning uncle Kilos 
[06:54] <Kilos> sigh still no maaz
[06:54] <superfly> môre oom Kilos
[06:54] <plustwo> good morning Kilos
[06:55] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos
[06:55] <inetpro> en goeie more aan al die ander
[06:55] <Kilos> hi drussell hows the weather in the UK
[06:55] <Kilos> where is the the crash kid?
[06:56] <inetpro> Kilos: iewers in die amerikaanse state?
[06:56] <Kilos> eish
[06:57] <magespawn> hi kilos
[06:57] <Kilos> hmmm
[06:57] <magespawn> who is in charge/owns Maaz?
[06:57] <Kilos> is daar nie iemand wat saam met hom werk nie?
[06:57] <Kilos> cocooncrash, is the bots boss
[06:58] <Kilos> i seem to remember there was someone with him at work
[06:58] <inetpro> magespawn: as far as I'm aware cocooncrash is hosting it on his private box 
[06:59] <magespawn> how do you set up a bot? anybody know where i can start looking?
[06:59] <Kilos> magespawn, get ibid
[06:59] <Kilos> and inetpro knows how to set it up
[06:59] <inetpro> http://ibid.omnia.za.net/
[06:59] <Kilos> hehe
[07:00] <inetpro> or https://launchpad.net/ibid
[07:00] <magespawn> ty will have a look
[07:00] <Kilos> and you can call it botspawn
[07:00] <Kilos> or magespawn
[07:01] <Kilos> who works in the same offices as cocooncrash ?
[07:01] <Kilos> dont all answer at once
[07:01] <nlsthzn>  I don't
[07:01] <Kilos> lol
[07:01] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[07:02] <drussell> Kilos: not too bad at all, a little chilly, 8 degrees c right now and a little overcast, but it's dry :o)
[07:02] <drussell> Kilos: how about where you are?
[07:02] <Kilos> drussell, sunny and hot and not enough rain in transvaal
[07:03] <Kilos> you dunno about the compose key drussell ?
[07:03] <Kilos> dont believe that
[07:04] <Kilos> compose key 2xo gives you the °
[07:07] <magespawn> okay but where do you see that on the keyboard?
[07:07] <magespawn> xo
[07:07] <Kilos> oh you have to make it magespawn 
[07:07] <magespawn> ahh right
[07:07] <Kilos> not xo man two times o
[07:07] <magespawn> lol
[07:08] <Kilos> lol
[07:08] <Kilos> i see if i can find how
[07:08] <Kilos> nuvolari, told me long ago
[07:08] <magespawn> will search on the net
[07:08] <Kilos> no its on your pc
[07:09] <magespawn> no for the way to do it
[07:09] <Kilos> system prefs keyboard
[07:09] <Kilos> then 
[07:09] <magespawn> apparenlty you assign it in the system to one of the key/s 
[07:09] <Kilos> layouts
[07:10] <Kilos> then tick the compose key pointer
[07:10] <Kilos> then set which key you want
[07:10] <Kilos> i use left winsucks key
[07:11] <magespawn> lol might as well put it to use
[07:11] <Kilos> yeah
[07:11] <drussell> Kilos: hehe yeah, I use it so rarely I forget :o)
[07:11] <Kilos> hehe
[07:12] <magespawn> °
[07:12] <magespawn> cool ty
[07:12] <Kilos> yw
[07:13] <inetpro> hmm... compose and o gives me ö 
[07:14] <inetpro> with a South African keyboard layout 
[07:14] <magespawn> ibd is written in python, i am trying to learn python so this should be a good thing to look at
[07:14] <superfly>  http://ibid.omnia.za.net/docs/0.1.0/index.html
[07:14] <superfly> real easy to set up and use
[07:17] <magespawn> ill have a look later busy putting an inkjet back together
[07:31] <Kilos> hi morgs 
[07:31] <morgs> mornings
[07:35] <superfly> morning morgs
[07:36] <morgs> hi superfly 
[08:06] <magespawn> right work desk net and tidy and printer back in one piece and working
[08:06] <Kilos> yay
[08:10] <magespawn> that for sure
[08:11] <magespawn> new tech from ibm can move data at 1 trillion bits a second
[08:12] <Kilos> whew
[08:13] <magespawn> kind of makes password a little redundant
[08:14] <nlsthzn> but move it where?
[08:16] <magespawn> article on ars technica, for communicating between chips on servers , i think , will try to find the article
[08:18] <magespawn> this is from mashable mashable.com/2012/03/08/ibm-fast-optical-chip
[08:19] <magespawn> they are also apparently working on a quantum computer
[08:24] <magespawn> and apparently you can now log into yahoo mail with your gmail id from LTG
[08:24] <nlsthzn> ah
[08:24] <inetpro> hello morgs
[08:24] <morgs> hi inetpro 
[08:25] <inetpro> you are far to quiet these days
[08:25] <morgs> yeah...
[08:25]  * morgs triages bugs on a big client project
[08:25] <magespawn> oohh that sounds like fun
[08:26] <morgs> Rats, I've got two servers in Kenya which were installed with Ubuntu 10.10 instead of 10.04 LTS. Going to be a bummer fixing that and 10.10 is being EOLed soon
[08:26] <Kilos> sigh , no maaz so cant define triages
[08:26] <morgs> Basically sorting tickets into priority and due date etc
[08:27] <magespawn> looks at the bug and sorts them by priority
[08:27] <magespawn> lol
[08:27] <Kilos> morgs, try keep 10.10 alive so i can keep using it too
[08:28] <Kilos> maverick rocks
[08:29] <morgs> yeah, well, here's hoping precise is more stable on the desktop
[08:29]  * inetpro likes The Governator's latest posting about Government use of Ubuntu
[08:29] <morgs> on the server it's more the support period that matters
[08:29] <morgs> inetpro: URL?
[08:30] <inetpro> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1056
[08:30] <Kilos> inetpro, whats he say?
[08:30] <nlsthzn> I has a lol at the email addy :p governator
[08:30] <Kilos> ah
[08:30] <morgs> oh that governator
[08:30] <inetpro> clearly Ubuntu is moving forward in big places
[08:31] <morgs> Ah now I see the reference
[08:33] <morgs> "A European defence force has recently adopted Ubuntu widely as part of an agility-enhancing strategy that gives soldiers and office workers secure desktop capabilities from remote locations like… home, or out in the field."
[08:34] <morgs> Squad, we're deploying at oh six hundred zulu time. Remember to do your dist-upgrades in advance!
[08:34] <magespawn> ha
[08:35] <magespawn> did you see the French airforce was grounded because of a windows virus?
[08:35] <Kilos> lol
[08:36] <magespawn> they could not load the flight maps from the ground computers into the planes, an unpatched windows bug allowed the malware in
[08:36] <morgs> wow
[08:38] <magespawn> this looks neat mahable.com/2012/03/05/recoil-winder-kickstarter
[08:53] <magespawn> to fair the patch was available they had just no applied it
[08:55] <magespawn> ^be ^not
[08:55] <inetpro> morgs: I guess we need IPMI to come standard with all servers these days so you can do a complete remote installation
[08:56] <inetpro> IPMI = Intelligent Platform Management Interface http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_Platform_Management_Interface
[08:57] <morgs> inetpro: yeah, we do use DRAC for Dell or iLO for HP which lets you do remote console/installations, but we do not have it on all servers - clients are sometimes too cheap to pay for this
[08:57] <inetpro> nice
[08:58] <morgs> It does let you do a remote installation, even upload ISO images to a virtual CD drive, although that gets uploaded from your workstation (e.g. laptop on ADSL) and is slow if you're tunnelling over stuff to get to a remote data centre.
[08:58] <magespawn> does that not end up costing more at the end of tha day, not having that ability
[08:58] <morgs> magespawn: yes it does, just not on the initial budget...
[08:59] <morgs> Anyway, the worth of features like this get proven when you really need them...
[08:59] <magespawn> what si that sevice from cannonical? would tha work
[09:00] <morgs> We've got one client who manages the network while we manage the servers. They reallocated the IP addresses for the iLO consoles without telling us, then when a server went down we couldn't reboot it remotely - that's another painful scenario
[09:00] <magespawn> communication is important
[09:02] <magespawn> landscape
[09:20] <Kilos> bbl
[09:46] <inetpro> magespawn: no, communication is key
[10:06] <magespawn> indeed
[10:14] <morgs> landscape is great, but very expensive. Too expensive for our current hosting model which has lots of small VPSs
[13:09] <inetpro> hmm...
[13:09] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[13:10] <inetpro> Maaz: Is it Friday yet?
[13:11] <nlsthzn> yup, maaz left early
[13:12] <inetpro> heh nlsthzn, How goes?
[13:12] <magespawn> maaaz has taken and extended leave of absence
[13:13] <magespawn> an
[13:13] <magespawn> maaz
[13:13] <nlsthzn> inetpro: can't complain , and yourself?
[13:13]  * inetpro just wants the week to end now
[13:14] <magespawn> why? what is so bad about this week?
[13:15] <inetpro> magespawn: hmm... just tired and don't want to start anything now
[13:16] <nlsthzn> fair enough
[13:16] <magespawn> me too but still have to open the shop tomorrow but really looking forward to kicking back on sunday
[13:22] <Kilos> inetpro> hmm... compose and o gives me ö 
[13:23] <Kilos> there is another way
[13:23] <inetpro> Kilos: coffee on
[13:23] <Kilos> hold down ctrl+alt and type u b 0
[13:23] <Kilos> lol
[13:24] <Kilos> kilos puts the kettle on
[13:24] <nlsthzn> lol
[13:24] <Kilos> hehe cheeky old man
[13:24] <Kilos> magespawn, where is your bot
[13:25]  * inetpro lol
[13:26] <inetpro> Kilos: nee ctrl+alt and u b 0 not werking
[13:26] <inetpro> not on kubuntu at least
[13:27] <inetpro> oh and not on a Precise Beta1 default VM
[13:28] <Kilos> wag ek soek weer waar het ek dit neer geskryf
[13:28]  * inetpro is not very happy with the beta1 stability in a VM at this stage
[13:28] <Kerbero> hmm
[13:28] <Kerbero> i should update my vm
[13:28] <inetpro> would not recommend an upgrade 
[13:28]  * nlsthzn is happy with the beta as his main system too
[13:29] <inetpro> I've had a few crashes, nothing major though
[13:29] <magespawn> have not had time to set it up yet
[13:29] <Kerbero> if the dualscreening of the new version is really better than 11.10 i will switch asap
[13:29] <nlsthzn> initially I could only get 12.04 to work as an upgrade from 11.10... now at least installing it works :)
[13:29] <nlsthzn> Kerbero: seems they are still debating some of how it should be handled
[13:30] <nlsthzn> was a post on omgubuntu about it
[13:30] <Kerbero> :|
[13:31] <Kerbero> yeah i heard people saying it is not good
[13:31] <Kerbero> the way it works
[13:32] <Kilos> inetpro, google how to make a ° simbol with ubuntu
[13:32] <Kilos> i think i used degrees not the °
[13:33] <Kilos> ek sukkel om te kry waar ek dit neer geskryf het
[13:33] <Kilos> en maaz is nie hier om te vra nie
[13:35] <Kilos> inetpro, your coffee is ready
[13:35] <inetpro> ahh Kilos, it is Left Ctrl+Shift and tapping, in sequence, u b 0
[13:35] <inetpro> http://paulscomputernotes.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-get-degree-symbol-in-ubuntu.html
[13:35] <Kilos> oh ctrl shift
[13:35] <Kilos> i forgot sorry
[13:35] <inetpro> that still works on Ubuntu Precise 
[13:36] <inetpro> but not in Kubuntu
[13:36] <Kilos> kubuntu sucks
[13:36] <inetpro> heh!
[13:36] <Kilos> lol
[13:36] <Kilos> better go unity
[13:36] <inetpro> Kilos: watch mooi wat jy hier sê!
[13:37] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[13:37] <inetpro> Kilos: maar dankie vir die nota
[13:37]  * Kilos het vergeet jy weet waar bly hy
[13:37] <inetpro> :-)
[13:39] <inetpro> copywrite -- © > Ctrl+Shift+u + a9 or Compose key+c+o
[13:39] <inetpro> very interesting
[13:39] <inetpro> trade mark -- ™ > Ctrl+Shift+u + 2122
[13:40] <magespawn> is there a list somewhere with all on ?
[13:40] <Kilos> magespawn, forget serious work fix your bot
[13:41] <Kilos> ibids make the best coffee
[13:41] <Kilos> hi confluency you quiet
[13:41] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you at home?
[13:41] <magespawn> hold on then
[13:42] <inetpro> in Kubuntu with South African keyboard layout you press AltGr+Shift+0 for °
[13:42]  * Kilos holds on
[13:42] <Kilos> whats AltGr
[13:44] <Owkkuri> Kilos: right alt key
[13:44] <nlsthzn> Kilos: nope @ work
[13:44]  * Kilos changes glasses to see whats onna keyboard
[13:45] <Kilos> oh my alt graph
[13:45] <Kilos> didnt even know it was there
[13:46] <Kilos> and this keyboard actually has a compose key right next to right alt
[13:46] <Kilos> ty Owkkuri 
[13:47] <inetpro> wow!
[13:48]  * inetpro likes the way that Ubuntu has now visible keyboard layouts as soon you choose an additional layout
[13:49] <inetpro> very pretty
[13:49]  * Kerbero likes it that koiosify is online again
[13:50] <koiosify> My pc died
[13:50] <nlsthzn> :(
[13:51] <Kerbero> o
[13:51] <magespawn> Kilos busy doibng the install now
[13:51] <magespawn> doing even
[13:51] <Kilos> good lad
[13:52] <Kilos> i dunno how you get it on here though
[13:52] <Kilos> need to pester inetpro  again
[13:52] <magespawn> i am sure we can work it out will be reading documentation will doing install
[13:57] <inetpro> magespawn: just read those docs, should be real easy
[13:57] <inetpro> I'll help later if necessary
[13:57] <magespawn> seem to be doing okay so far
[13:58] <inetpro> sadly that will only be after 20:00
[13:58] <Kilos> what inetpro 
[13:59] <Kilos> zeref, you still alive?
[14:00] <inetpro> Kilos: I will be afk until later this evening
[14:01] <Kilos> we forgive you
[14:01] <magespawn> okay first prob
[14:01] <magespawn> ibid@gandcnet:~/botdir$ ibid setup
[14:01] <magespawn> Traceback (most recent call last):
[14:01] <magespawn>   File "/usr/bin/ibid", line 15, in <module>
[14:01] <magespawn>     ibid.setup(options)
[14:01] <magespawn>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ibid/__init__.py", line 122, in setup
[14:01] <magespawn>     raise IbidException('Cannot find configuration file %s' % options['config'])
[14:01] <Kilos> eish
[14:01] <magespawn> ibid.IbidException: Cannot find configuration file setup
[14:01] <magespawn> ibid@gandcnet:~/botdir$ 
[14:01] <magespawn> going to read doc
[14:02] <Kilos> when in doubt, read the instruction manual
[14:02] <magespawn> yup do not do that often
[14:07] <Kilos> maybe it even has man pages
[14:15] <magespawn> back again
[14:15] <Kilos> wb
[14:17] <magespawn> bot does not want to join
[14:17] <magespawn> more probs
[14:17] <magespawn> brb
[14:21] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[14:22] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[14:22] <psydroid> hi magespawn
[14:22] <psydroid> hi all
[14:22] <magespawn> ho psydroid
[14:23] <Kilos> magespawn, is working on an ibid bot so we can get coffee till cocooncrash fixes maaz
[14:23] <magespawn> bit of a mind bender
[14:26] <nlsthzn> Home time for IR... cheers all
[14:26] <Kilos> cheers nlsthzn go well
[14:27] <not_found> thanks uncle Kilos 
[14:27] <magespawn> going to put the screen in a pastbin so inetpro can look later
[14:29] <Kilos> hehe
[14:29] <Kilos> only 3.5 hours
[14:29] <Kilos> we will survive
[14:30] <Kilos> magespawn, use slexy.org 
[14:30] <Kilos> then i can see too
[14:30] <Kilos> my setup dont like the ubuntu bin
[14:30] <magespawn> okay
[14:32] <magespawn> http://slexy.org/view/s2z7CvnaiG
[14:32] <Kilos> ty
[14:36] <Kilos> maybe you gotta install those things it cant find
[14:37] <magespawn> not sure how did try the normal route
[14:38] <Kilos> you have it installed so run sudo aptitude reinstall ibid and maybe aptitude finds the missing stuff
[14:39] <Kilos> or gives you a cleare explanation on whats needed
[14:39] <Kilos> clearer
[14:40] <Kilos> haha your internet is twisted
[14:40] <Kilos> sue telkom
[14:41] <Kilos> Address already in use.
[14:42] <Kilos> magespawn, you got something else logged into the same addy
[14:42] <Kilos> ?
[14:42] <magespawn> not sure
[14:43] <Kilos> xcht or something
[14:43] <Kilos> xchat
[14:44] <Kilos> maybe the bot gotta get in before you do
[14:44] <magespawn> got to run lift is here
[14:44] <Kilos> ok toodles
[14:44] <magespawn> will check in later
[14:45] <Kilos> cool
[14:57] <Kilos> be back at 8ish
[17:38] <magespawn_mobile> Eveing all
[17:38] <magespawn_mobile> Evening
[18:17] <Kilos> evening all of you
[18:17] <dLimit> Kilos hi
[18:18] <Kilos> maaz coffee on
[18:18] <Kilos> hi dLimit long time no hear
[18:18] <dLimit> Yeah quite... been lurking around lol
[18:18] <Kilos> lol
[18:18] <dLimit> So whatsup Kilos ?
[18:18] <Kilos> you getting like the old guys here
[18:19] <Kilos> everything still the same here, and there?
[18:19] <Kilos> magespawn, helloooo
[18:20] <Kilos> lo superfly nuvolari 
[18:20] <dLimit> Just destroyed my old system installing backtrack lol
[18:20] <Kilos> eish
[18:20] <Kilos> what is backtrack?
[18:20] <dLimit> yeah went and selected the wrong partition blah
[18:20] <dLimit> Its a linux distro
[18:20] <dLimit> for hacking
[18:21] <Kilos> ah
[18:21] <dLimit> or pen testing as they call it
[18:21] <superfly> hiya Kilos
[18:21] <dLimit> Based on ubuntu so I believe I'm still allowed in here =D
[18:21]  * superfly is sorely tempted to move to Arch, but he'll still hang with the Ubuntu crowd :-P
[18:22] <Kerbero> i was too
[18:22] <Kilos> i think no one minds any linux version here as long as you can help others now and again
[18:22] <Kerbero> until the arch installer failed on me three times
[18:22] <Kilos> aw superfly is ubuntu getting you down?
[18:22] <superfly> Kilos: the way the Kubuntu team sets up KDE is a little irritating at times
[18:23] <Kilos> sort them out superfly 
[18:23] <Kilos> or go unity
[18:23] <Kerbero> lol
[18:23] <superfly> Kilos: ugh, I'll stick with KDE, but use Arch instead :-P
[18:23] <Kilos> eish
[18:24] <dLimit> Openbox FTW
[18:25] <Kilos> and mark sounds so exited with ubuntu's progress
[18:28] <Kilos> superfly, have you had any feedback from the kde guys about the probs
[18:29] <Kilos> hmm magespawn is visiting chicks again
[18:39] <superfly> Kilos: they are all known issues, it seems
[18:40] <superfly> I've googled and stuff, and I'm not the only person with the problems
[18:40] <Kilos> ok superfly do you know what they are doing wrong?
[18:41] <superfly> Kilos: Not really, and I don't have the time to run after it. It's mostly small stuff that is very irritating
[18:41] <Kilos> google only works if someone else sorts the prob out first
[18:41] <Kilos> email them directly
[18:42]  * Kilos know like it when peeps make the fly unhappy
[18:42] <Kilos> no lik it
[18:42] <Kilos> eish
[18:42] <inetpro> good evenin
[18:42] <Kilos> no like it
[18:42] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[18:43] <inetpro> hoe lyk dinge hier vanaand?
[18:43] <Kilos> het jy nat gekry inetpro 
[18:43] <inetpro> Kilos: nee
[18:43] <Kilos> ons het iets vir jou om uit te sorteer
[18:44] <Kilos> mooi dit het kwaai gestorm hier
[18:44] <Kilos> ek weet nie waar magespawn is nie maar hy het dit gegee
[18:44] <inetpro> Kilos: oja, dit het nou gereen hier 
[18:44] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2z7CvnaiG
[18:45] <Kilos> daai ibid van hom werk nie
[18:45] <inetpro> 2012-03-09 16:18:51+0200 [-] twisted.internet.error.CannotListenError: Couldn't listen on any:8080: [Errno 98] Address already in use.
[18:46] <inetpro> hy sal moet kyk wat gebruik reeds poort 8080
[18:47] <Kilos> ah ek het hom gevra daaroor, kan dit wees die bot kannie in kom as mage met xchat 8080 gebruik nie
[18:47] <Kilos> ek kyk gou of xchat dit gebruik
[18:47] <Kilos> nee 8001
[18:48] <Kilos> hoe sal mens sien wat gebruik 8080
[18:48] <inetpro> lsof -i:8080
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: dis nie dieselle nie
[18:50] <inetpro> jou xchat praat met die server op poort 8001
[18:50] <inetpro> so die server luister op 8001 en die klient koppel soontoe
[18:50] <Kilos> en sy ibid gaan op 8080 probeer in kom ?
[18:51] <Kilos> moet hy nie sy ibid laat 8001 ook gebruik nie
[18:51] <inetpro> Kilos: sy ibid moet luister op 8080 maar 'n ander diens maak reeds van die poort gebruik
[18:51] <Kilos> o is 8080 ook by irc
[18:52] <Kilos> of is dit by hom self
[18:52] <inetpro> tumbleweed, superfly: will a ibid bot work if you change the port to something else
[18:52] <inetpro> ?
[18:53] <superfly> inetpro: it should... I'm trying to remember how I got around that one, I think I did something
[18:53] <Kilos> ha ha
[18:55] <inetpro> is it the bot that actually talks back on 8080 or is it just the bot's website?
[18:56] <Kilos> inetpro, is port 8080 by irc or where
[18:56] <inetpro> Kilos: ibid
[18:56] <Kilos> or 8001
[18:56] <Kilos> oh my im lost some now
[18:56] <Kilos> is the ibid on his pc
[18:57] <inetpro> Kilos: dit is een van die die poorte wat luister by freenode se servers
[18:57] <Kilos> o ek sien so dis nie lokaal nie
[18:58] <inetpro> Kilos: wel by magespawn gaan dit lokaal wees
[18:58] <Kilos> watter poort gebruik jou quassel
[18:58] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... dis nie belankrik nie... ek koppel na freenode se adres en poort nommer
[18:59] <Kilos> ja maar dink nou soos ek dink.
[18:59] <Kilos> het freenode n poort 8080?
[18:59] <inetpro> miskien
[19:00] <Kilos> nou as jy ook 8001 gebruik van jou quassel dan moet sy bot ook 8001 gebruik
[19:00] <inetpro> nee
[19:01] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:01] <inetpro> dit het niks met die saak uit te waai nie
[19:02] <Kilos> lsof -i:8080 wys niks by my nie
[19:02] <inetpro> Kilos: behalwe dat sy bot ook moet koppel na freenode se gewone IP:poort
[19:03] <Kilos> dis wat ek vra is 8001 nie die een wat werk op freenode nie
[19:03] <inetpro> Kilos: het jy ibid geinstalleer?
[19:03] <Kilos> nee?
[19:03] <Kilos> kan net ibid dit gebruik?
[19:03] <inetpro> ibid luister op 8080 'by default'
[19:04] <inetpro> en sy ibid wil nie opstart omdat 'n ander diens reeds 8080 gebruik
[19:04] <inetpro> bv apache
[19:04] <inetpro> of jboss
[19:04] <inetpro> of, of, of... kan baie ander dinge wees
[19:04] <Kilos> ah hy sal dit moet check
[19:05] <inetpro> exactly
[19:05] <Kilos> en toemaak wat dit gebruik
[19:05] <Kilos> julle doen te veel op een slag
[19:05] <inetpro> indien nodig ja
[19:06] <inetpro> miskien kan ibid gestel word na 'n ander poort
[19:06] <Kilos> as ek reg onthou het iemand vir my vertel dat n ibid permanent aanlyn moet bly
[19:06] <Kilos> so n jaar terug
[19:07] <Kilos> onthou jy um
[19:07] <Kilos> afrodeity het dit probeer
[19:08] <inetpro> Kilos: dit is waar
[19:08] <inetpro> somebody already filed a bug for this at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ibid/+bug/602363
[19:09] <inetpro> ahh... Reported by marcog on 2010-07-06
[19:09] <Kilos> lol
[19:09] <Kilos> hoekom moet dit permanent aanlyn bly
[19:10] <inetpro> the poor dude is pre-occupied with facebook these days?
[19:10] <inetpro> Kilos: 'n bot moet mas daar wees om vir jou koffie te maak?
[19:10] <inetpro> mos*
[19:10] <Kilos> lol ja man
[19:11] <Kilos> maar se nou ek instaleer een hier ons kan mos saam gaan slaap
[19:11] <inetpro> Kilos: 'n bot is maar net soos jy
[19:11] <inetpro> ibid = kilos
[19:11] <inetpro> iemand sê iets vir kilos en dan sê jy iets terug
[19:11] <Kilos> ?
[19:12] <Kilos> ja maar kilos maak nie koffie vir almal nie
[19:12] <inetpro> maar in hierdie geval is die bot net 'n robot wat geprogrammeer is om slim dinge automaties te sê
[19:12] <Kilos> ja maar dit doen baie ander goed ook
[19:12] <inetpro> m.a.w. ibid is maar net nog 'n xchat
[19:13] <inetpro> maar 'n slim xchat
[19:13] <kbmonkey> hello there!
[19:13] <inetpro> kbmonkey: wb
[19:13] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey you well lad?
[19:13] <kbmonkey> did i miss anything exciting? :D
[19:13] <Kilos> lots
[19:13] <inetpro> kbmonkey: lots of it
[19:13] <Kilos> maaz is dead
[19:14] <Kilos> funeral next weekend
[19:14] <kbmonkey> did he kick the bit-bucket?
[19:14] <Kilos> bot-bit-bucket
[19:14] <Kilos> ah the crash kid is online
[19:15] <Kilos> vra hom mooi inetpro 
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: die probleem is dat daar maar altyd 'n risiko aan verbonde is om via die internet na enigiets te koppel
[19:15] <inetpro> en hoe langer jy aan iets gekoppel is hoe groter die risiko dat iemand iets kan doen
[19:16] <Kilos> eish dink jy iemand het maaz gehack
[19:16] <inetpro> Kilos: dit is seker nie onmoontlik nie, maar ek twyfel
[19:17] <inetpro> wie sal nou so onvriendelik wees met ons? Daai persoon kan nie mooi tel nie.
[19:17] <kbmonkey> dis nou nie mooi nie :/
[19:17] <Kilos> baie ms mense
[19:17] <Kilos> billy betaal mense om ons te dooi
[19:19] <inetpro> Kilos: an assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts
[19:19] <Kilos> lol
[19:19] <Kilos> if maaz was here i would teach him that saying
[19:22] <kbmonkey> assumption planted a feather ;)
[19:22] <Kilos> and hoped a fowl would grow
[19:23] <kbmonkey> n hoender
[19:23] <Kilos> ja
[19:24] <inetpro> noddy: no assumption is <reply> $who an assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts
[19:24] <inetpro> oops
[19:24] <Kilos> haha
[19:24] <inetpro> ek probeer my bot ook slim maak :-)
[19:24] <Kilos> ek sien daai ding
[19:25] <magespawn_mobile> Howdy all
[19:26] <Kilos> hi magespawn_mobile 
[19:26] <Kilos> hopefully we got a cure for your ibid
[19:26] <Kilos> untwist the internet connection
[19:26] <magespawn_mobile> Lol
[19:26] <kbmonkey> where is maaz hosted btw?
[19:26] <Kilos> you need a pc at home too
[19:27] <Kilos> germany i think
[19:27] <Kilos> or holland
[19:27] <Kilos> been a while since we were told
[19:27] <kbmonkey> on the tubes :) I guess I meant how
[19:27] <inetpro> kbmonkey: AFAIAA Maaz is hosted on cocooncrash's machine somewhere in cyber space
[19:27] <kbmonkey> ah gotcha
[19:28] <inetpro> s/is/was/
[19:29] <Kilos> oh is the host the guy that installs it?
[19:29] <magespawn_mobile> And he's is back
[19:29] <Kilos> cocooncrash, ty ty ty
[19:29] <cocooncrash> Kilos: :)
[19:29] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[19:29]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[19:29] <cocooncrash> Bah
[19:30] <Kilos> cocooncrash, maaz has been off for days
[19:30] <Kilos> aw
[19:30] <Kilos> hopefully you can tell us what happened to him sometime
[19:31] <Kilos> maybe he got tired of making coffee
[19:32] <Kilos> yay
[19:32]  * Kilos scared to ask for coffee
[19:33] <Kilos> aw
[19:33] <Kilos> methinks we should all cheer maaz on
[19:33] <Kilos> go maaz
[19:34] <Kilos> come on you buncha geeks
[19:34] <inetpro> Maaz: wb
[19:34] <Maaz> Thank you so much inetpro my good good friend
[19:34] <Kilos> ooo what a cute bot
[19:34] <Kilos> aw
[19:34] <inetpro> Kilos: heh
[19:35] <Kilos> Maaz, wb
[19:35] <Maaz> Thank you so much Kilos my good good friend
[19:35] <Kilos> hold on there buddy
[19:35] <inetpro> now please stick around Maaz
[19:36] <inetpro> magespawn: wb
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <Kilos> wakey wakey
[19:36] <Kilos> i think he left a work pc on
[19:37] <kbmonkey> Maaz is back
[19:37] <Kilos> you guys with multiple connections mess with my brains
[19:38] <Kilos> and gone kbmonkey 
[19:38] <Kilos> cocooncrash, is working on him now
[19:38] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[19:38] <Maaz> Howzit Kilos
[19:38] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[19:38]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[19:38]  * Kilos holds thumbs
[19:39] <Kilos> cocooncrash, what was the problem?
[19:39] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[19:39] <inetpro> nlsthzn: wb
[19:40] <cocooncrash> Kilos: I think the SILC library was making it crash
[19:41] <nlsthzn> Hi Kilos and inetpro and all...
[19:41] <Kilos> eish we missed him bad cocooncrash ty very much
[19:42] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[19:42] <Kilos> Maaz, thank you very much my bot buddy
[19:42] <Maaz> Kilos: not at all
[19:43] <nlsthzn> hello Maaz 
[19:43] <Kilos> lol
[19:43] <nlsthzn> :(
[19:43] <Kilos> you gotta put his nick first
[19:44] <Kilos> or he will ignore you
[19:44] <nlsthzn> Maaz, walala wasala
[19:44] <Maaz> nlsthzn: What?
[19:44] <nlsthzn> exactly
[19:44] <Kilos> lol
[19:45] <Kilos> Maaz, we love you
[19:45] <Maaz> Ya Ya, you guys just want coffee thats all
[19:46] <nlsthzn> haha
[19:46] <nlsthzn> bbl
[19:46] <Kilos> toods nl
[19:46] <Kilos> eish
[19:49] <Kilos> Maaz, assumption
[19:49] <Maaz> An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts
[19:50] <inetpro> yikes
[19:52] <Kilos> the bot is working
[19:52] <Kilos> yay
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: hier's nog 'n slimme
[19:53] <inetpro> "I never attempt to make money on the stock market. I buy on the assumption that they could close the market the next day and not reopen it for five years." -- Warren Buffett 
[19:53] <Kilos> lol
[19:54] <Kilos> the stock market is a bit swindle
[19:54] <Kilos> manipulated by the money powers
[19:54] <Kilos> *big
[19:55] <inetpro> "If we all worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true is really true, there would be little hope of advance." -- Orville Wright 
[19:55] <magespawn_mobile> Back again
[19:56] <inetpro> magespawn_mobile: and why not back with magespawn?
[19:57] <magespawn_mobile> Quassel still loved on at shop
[19:57] <magespawn_mobile> Logged
[19:57] <inetpro> ahh... you've not done the dyndns thingy?
[19:58] <magespawn_mobile> Not yet had a bit of work today
[19:58] <inetpro> np
[20:00] <inetpro> magespawn_mobile: so I guess your ibid is also at the office?
[20:00] <Kilos> inetpro, is into witty quotes tonight
[20:00] <magespawn_mobile> Yup
[20:01]  * inetpro witty?
[20:01] <inetpro> magespawn_mobile: you have something listening on port 8080 already
[20:01] <Kilos> witty-funny-snaaks
[20:01] <magespawn_mobile> But I will be back tomorrow
[20:01] <magespawn_mobile> Ahh so I need to chafe the ibid port then
[20:02] <magespawn_mobile> Change
[20:02] <Kilos> magespawn, inetpro says its that twisted internet for starters
[20:02] <inetpro> magespawn_mobile: check with 'lsof -i:8080' what is is if you don't know
[20:02] <Kilos> you need to find whats using port 8080
[20:02] <magespawn_mobile> Or the other
[20:03] <magespawn_mobile> Was that the last lint in the paste I posted
[20:03] <Kilos> magespawn, do you see this chat when you open the fone on irc next time
[20:03] <inetpro> I haven't seen where or how you can change ibid's port but that should also be a possibility
[20:03] <Kilos> yip
[20:03] <magespawn_mobile> Line
[20:03] <inetpro> magespawn_mobile: almost
[20:04] <magespawn_mobile> Ahh will have a look on the morrow
[20:04] <inetpro> np
[20:05] <Kilos> magespawn, you need a pc at home too
[20:05] <magespawn_mobile> Have one but is running xp
[20:05] <Kilos> eish
[20:05] <magespawn_mobile> Can do most of this on my phone too
[20:05] <Kilos> for games
[20:05] <magespawn_mobile> Yup kiddies
[20:06] <Kilos> get connected via wireless to shop
[20:06] <Kilos> oh ya
[20:06] <magespawn_mobile> Bit far at the moment but am working on a WiFi for the town
[20:06] <magespawn_mobile> Should cover my house
[20:07] <Kilos> the higher the antennae the further it will reach
[20:09] <Kilos> anything above fm frequencies is line of site
[20:10] <inetpro> Kilos: Wi-Fi networks have limited range.
[20:10] <inetpro> A typical wireless access point using 802.11b or 802.11g with a stock antenna might have a range of 32 m (120 ft) indoors and 95 m (300 ft) outdoors.
[20:10] <Kilos> inetpro, what frequency
[20:10] <magespawn_mobile> But they are free
[20:11] <Kilos> ya in the gigs
[20:11] <magespawn_mobile> I think 2.4ghz
[20:11] <inetpro> range varies
[20:11] <inetpro> Wi-Fi in the 2.4 GHz frequency block has slightly better range than Wi-Fi in the 5 GHz frequency block which is used by 802.11a
[20:12] <magespawn_mobile> That is the free ICASA FREE I mean
[20:12] <Kilos> only frequencies in the lower meg ranges have distance capabilties
[20:12] <Kilos> like 27m can do like 30 ks
[20:13] <inetpro> ahh, but outdoor ranges can be improved to many kilometers through the use of high gain directional antennas at the router and remote device(s)
[20:13] <magespawn_mobile> That's the plan.
[20:13] <inetpro> maximum amount of power that a Wi-Fi device can transmit is limited by local regulations
[20:14] <Kilos> yeah for interference purposes
[20:14] <magespawn_mobile> All tied up in the reg and specs
[20:15] <Kilos> and its useless having lots power to transmit when the peeps using it cant match the power to get back to it
[20:15] <magespawn_mobile> But you can still make it work.
[20:16] <magespawn_mobile> I would have to put base stations at the places I want them 
[20:17] <Kilos> i think as long as your antenae can see each other and the pc side is a good yagi type it should work
[20:18] <Kilos> you can get info on wireless from the pta wug guys
[20:18] <Kilos> some of them use ubuntu as well
[20:18] <magespawn_mobile> Yup got a friend up there who did this for a company in north west
[20:19] <Kilos> they know where to get or they supply equipment as well
[20:19] <magespawn_mobile> Said he would consult for me
[20:19] <Kilos> nice
[20:20] <kbmonkey> was afk, back :)
[20:20] <Kilos> ian is in rustenburg magespawn_mobile he would be interested in the nw group as well
[20:20] <kbmonkey> is maaz in icu now
[20:20] <Kilos> no he is fixed
[20:21] <kbmonkey> :)
[20:21] <magespawn_mobile> Got the ng kerk to let me use their church tower highest point except the Vodacom tower
[20:21] <Kilos> inetpro, made coffee for me
[20:21] <Kilos> hehe
[20:21] <Kilos> great
[20:23] <inetpro> wow
[20:23]  * inetpro never thought of the idea to use a church tower for wireless networks
[20:23] <inetpro> sounds kind of freaky
[20:24] <magespawn_mobile> Highest point with best line of sight
[20:24] <Kilos> lol
[20:25] <magespawn_mobile> Got a coupl of other spots so I can get around the hills and extend the range etc
[20:26] <kbmonkey> good idea magespawn_mobile :D
[20:26] <kbmonkey> holy wifi!
[20:26] <Kilos> the towers actually can see each other from quite a distance
[20:26] <Kilos> hehe kbmonkey ++
[20:26] <kbmonkey> aren't they lightning magnets though?
[20:27] <kbmonkey> could the wifi withstand acts of God? ;P
[20:27] <magespawn_mobile> Yup will need to ground it properly
[20:27] <Kilos> normally you run an earth cable to a place where the soil is dampest
[20:27] <Kilos> or steel water pipes
[20:27] <magespawn_mobile> The lightening rod will be above the antenna
[20:29] <Kilos> this is all gonna cost quite a packet magespawn_mobile 
[20:29] <Kilos> but once done most of the town will be able to use it
[20:30] <Kilos> you will need a faster connection
[20:30] <Kilos> if you gonna supply internet
[20:31] <Kilos> the pta wug is one of the biggest but dont supply internet connection. just to each other
[20:31] <magespawn_mobile> Yup was looking into bonded Adel
[20:31] <magespawn_mobile> Adsl
[20:33] <Kilos> sleep tight guys i gonna crash now
[20:33] <Kilos> see yous tomorrow
[20:33] <magespawn_mobile> That's the idea I want to be able give tourists WiFi
[20:33] <Kilos> good idea magespawn_mobile 
[20:34] <Kilos> tourist in hluhluwe
[20:34] <magespawn_mobile> Yup
[20:34] <Kilos> on thier way to go fishing or to the game reserve
[20:34] <Kilos> their
[20:34] <Kilos> theres nothing to see in hluhluwe
[20:35] <magespawn_mobile> One or two guest houses and lodges etc
[20:36] <inetpro> bye Kilos
[20:36] <Kilos> night all
[20:36] <Kilos> Maaz, night
[20:36] <Maaz> Kilos: Bye
[20:43] <magespawn_mobile> I am also off see y'all to morrow
[21:00] <kbmonkey> ah i'm slow on irc tonight