[18:27] <GridCube> ETA to meeting?
[18:28] <pleia2> I don't know if that's been decided
[18:32] <GridCube_> mmm i don't know if i got an answer while my system went down
[18:33] <Unit193> "I don't know if that's been decided"
[18:33] <GridCube_> oh i see
[18:33] <GridCube_> okay, well then i think i cant participate again :(
[18:33] <GridCube_> see you later
[21:18] <ZardoZ> Upgrade from Xubuntu 10.04 to 12.04 beta doesn't work here. Is this a bug? Or something else?
[21:23] <Unit193> "Doesn't work", can you explain?
[21:32] <ZardoZ> Of course, after starting running update-manager -d the upgrade process stops with the error "can't calculate upgrade".
[21:33] <Unit193> Try `do-release-upgrade -d`, may tell us more info.
[21:33] <ZardoZ> OK
[21:35] <ZardoZ> running the command now.
[21:37] <ZardoZ> Same error.
[21:37] <Unit193> Yes, but more info?
[21:37] <ZardoZ> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[21:37] <ZardoZ> E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be
[21:37] <ZardoZ> caused by held packages
[21:37] <ZardoZ> What info do you want to know?
[21:38] <Unit193> Seems you or a program marked a package as held.
[21:38] <Unit193> !pinning
[21:38] <ZardoZ> haven't pinned anything afaik, but will check.
[21:39] <ZardoZ> (i am a very experienced debian user)
[21:39] <ZardoZ> other causes the command gives me:
[21:40] <ZardoZ> This can be caused by:
[21:40] <ZardoZ> * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[21:40] <ZardoZ> * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[21:40] <ZardoZ> * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[21:40] <ZardoZ> Will also double check my 3rd party repositories.
[21:41] <Unit193> Aye, I don't know for sure, but may also want to check with Pangolin support over in #ubuntu+1
[21:42] <ZardoZ> OK. I will first manually disable everything in /etc/apt/sources.list/
[21:45] <ZardoZ> same error after disabling every 3rd party sources. 
[21:48] <Unit193> I do not know.
[21:48] <Unit193> Never done an LTS > LTS.
[21:50] <knome> i'm not sure if you can update from LTS to LTS-beta
[21:50] <knome> that wouldn't make much sense, would it?
[21:50] <ZardoZ> Me neither :-) 
[21:50] <knome> you want long term support, but you're installing a beta version??
[21:51] <Unit193> You'd have to test it somehow, but...
[21:51] <ZardoZ> Well, this isn't a production machine.
[21:51] <knome> i understand, but that was from the packaging/releasing POV
[21:51] <knome> those who want to skip the "normal" releases probably want to skip the beta's too
[21:51] <ZardoZ> I need some extra functionality present in 12.04.
[21:52] <ZardoZ> But I have to admit, it's also a test.
[21:55] <ZardoZ> Anyway: at which moment will a upgrade be officialy possible? After the release? Or when the RC is there?
[21:55] <knome> ZardoZ, i believe it's after the release
[21:55] <ZardoZ> OK.
[21:56] <knome> and there aren't really RC's, just betas
[21:56] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[21:59] <ZardoZ> suggenstion of #ubuntu+1 is to wait a few hours. It might work then. Otherwise I will wait.
[21:59] <ZardoZ> till the official release
[22:00] <knome> yup, good luck
[22:16] <ChristopherNg> hello
[22:17] <ChristopherNg> a couple of post grad folks here, looking at some kind of ERP for ubuntu based distros.
[22:17] <ChristopherNg> want to know what you folks think of this project, we have a choice, but this is the one that seems to have caught our interest.
[22:19] <knome> ChristopherNg, you mean, creating and ERP application for ubuntu based distros?
[22:19] <ChristopherNg> yes
[22:20] <ChristopherNg> whats your feeling about something like that, could it work or will it fail from the drawing board itself?
[22:20] <knome> i don't see a reason why it wouldn't work. i don't see how that should be specifically directed to ubuntu based distros
[22:20] <knome> i mean, it's just an application, right?
[22:21] <knome> have you looked if there is any projects that is doing ERP in the FOSS field?
[22:21] <ChristopherNg> no actually didnt think there would be much interest in that..
[22:21] <ChristopherNg> I could be wrong, but basically..
[22:21] <knome> interest in what?
[22:22] <ChristopherNg> we are looking at an erp for smes
[22:22] <ChristopherNg> SME = Small, Medium, Enterprises
[22:22] <knome> yes
[22:22] <knome> but interest in what?
[22:22] <knome> i mean, you lost me
[22:22] <astraljava> This is one seriously confusing conversation for sure.
[22:23] <ChristopherNg> i meant interest in erp for ubuntu or linux in general sorry
[22:23] <knome> no interest in such a product from end-users?
[22:23] <knome> why not.
[22:23] <knome> if it's good, i'm sure it'll raise interest
[22:23] <knome> astraljava, hey :)
[22:23] <astraljava> o/
[22:23] <ChristopherNg> not sure
[22:23] <Unit193> Howdy, java.
[22:23] <ChristopherNg> its just the culture
[22:23] <knome> ChristopherNg, but i don't know ubuntu really relates to this?
[22:24] <ChristopherNg> basically, its an open source erp for smes that we want made available via launch or repos..
[22:24] <ChristopherNg> want to know what you think the reception to something like that will be..
[22:24] <knome> ChristopherNg, yeah. so is is *ready* ?
[22:24] <knome> or not..
[22:24] <ChristopherNg> no we still trying to see if this is feasible and if it would catch on and testing the waters.
[22:25] <knome> there's a possibility to include any app in the ubuntu repositories
[22:25] <knome> and i'm sure that will go for the rest of the distros too
[22:25] <knome> and i'm pretty sure there is people, who'd like to use something like that on linux
[22:25] <ChristopherNg> yes thats true but other ERPS like SAP are not open source etc
[22:26] <astraljava> There are lots of OS ERP's already, so do you have some sort of idea how yours would detach from the crowd?
[22:27] <astraljava> Well, actually I'm just relying on search engines here,  but I kinda trust google on that. :)
[22:27] <ChristopherNg> well basically, ours is aimed at SMES. 
[22:27] <ChristopherNg> and open source.
[22:28] <ChristopherNg> not to mention its a development project for our masters.
[22:28] <ChristopherNg> so if there is something like this out there that is opensource, that would be even better as we can see the strength and weakness of that and build our own accordingly
[22:29] <knome> or help some other project to grow
[22:31] <astraljava> Yes well, search terms "sme open source erp" bring out lots of relevant hits.
[22:31] <astraljava> So I'm kinda bound to repeat my question.
[22:31] <astraljava> Ahh... well, being a study, yeah that's reason enough.
[22:34] <knome> i'm off
[22:34] <knome> see you folks later
[22:34] <ChristopherNg> Q/
[22:34] <knome> or if you'd prefer to be called "pops" or "rocks" or even "indies" or "raps", those then