| knome | madnick, how's the plymouth stuff? | 11:51 |
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| knome | astraljava, you had a HP laptop? what wifi? i just installed xubuntu on wife's laptop, and with the broadcom wifi, i needed to use the b43 driver instead of the STA driver, which got installed by default.. | 12:19 |
| astraljava | knome: I'll get back to you about that later, gotta run now. | 12:41 |
| madnick | knome: pretty much solid, the "problem" I have is that, while I can test it using my own message sequences, I cannot test it using VBox and get the real messages, since I don't see the screen at boot | 15:40 |
| knome | madnick, then just push it for others to test | 15:43 |
| madnick | okay | 15:45 |
| ochosi | hey there | 15:49 |
| astraljava | knome: What was that again? My freenode server rebooted, and using SSL reconnects in a weird way, and thus I /quit and /connect'ed, thus losing backlog. | 18:30 |
| knome | 14:19 knome: astraljava, you had a HP laptop? what wifi? i just installed xubuntu on wife's laptop, and with the broadcom wifi, i needed to use the b43 driver instead of the STA driver, which got installed by default.. | 18:34 |
| knome | astraljava, ^ that | 18:34 |
| astraljava | *-network | 18:37 |
| astraljava | description: Wireless interface | 18:37 |
| astraljava | product: BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller | 18:37 |
| knome | i have bcm4312. | 18:38 |
| astraljava | configuration: broadcast=yes driver=brcmsmac driverversion=3.0.0-16-generic firmware=N/A latency=0 link=no multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11bgn | 18:39 |
| astraljava | brcmsmac | 18:39 |
| astraljava | Huh, nice names for these drivers. | 18:40 |
| knome | heh | 18:42 |
| knome | pleia2, you there? | 21:18 |
| TheMouldyMarsBar | knome: hardly anyone comes here | 21:18 |
| knome | TheMouldyMarsBar, wrong. many people come here regularly. sometimes they just lurk. | 21:19 |
| TheMouldyMarsBar | *hardly anyone CHATS here | 21:19 |
| knome | well, that's wrong too. people chat here when they need to discuss about development | 21:20 |
| TheMouldyMarsBar | Most just go to #xubuntu | 21:20 |
| knome | now that we have all freezes ongoing, there's not much to communicate about, except some bugs | 21:20 |
| knome | well, #xubuntu is for the support. if you need support, that's the correct channel. | 21:21 |
| knome | we don't specifically discourage random chatter here now and then, but usually people take that to #xubuntu-offtopic or other channels | 21:22 |
| pleia2 | knome: hey | 22:09 |
| pleia2 | no response yet from the trademarks folks :\ | 22:12 |
| knome | pleia2, umph. | 22:13 |
| knome | pleia2, i was thinking the alternate disc still | 22:13 |
| pleia2 | knome: to drop it? | 22:13 |
| knome | pleia2, well yeah. isn't there any other way to achieve those certain things? | 22:13 |
| pleia2 | use server alt and install xubuntu-desktop :) | 22:14 |
| knome | do you think that's something we shouldn't tell people to do? | 22:14 |
| knome | i mean, testing the alt vs. not testing | 22:14 |
| knome | and maintaining vs. not | 22:15 |
| knome | those are the things | 22:15 |
| pleia2 | oh, that, we will keep the alt? | 22:15 |
| pleia2 | gotcha | 22:15 |
| pleia2 | what is the blocker to testing the alt? | 22:15 |
| knome | is it worth it? | 22:15 |
| knome | nothing really | 22:15 |
| knome | time and resources | 22:15 |
| knome | if we didn't have alt, we'd have more tests on desktop | 22:16 |
| pleia2 | ok, I think desktop has to take precedence | 22:16 |
| knome | the other choice is to drop anything in the alt-tests to "run-once" | 22:16 |
| pleia2 | I can't help with hardware testing (no spare hardware) but I can help with virtual testing of alt | 22:17 |
| knome | whatever the case, i think we'd benefit from more testing | 22:17 |
| * pleia2 has been meaning to help with testing more anyway | 22:17 | |
| knome | and actually reporting and discussing issues sooner | 22:17 |
| * pleia2 nods | 22:17 | |
| knome | i'm not really pro-drop-alt | 22:17 |
| pleia2 | I love alt | 22:18 |
| knome | but i'm just wondering if we have the resources for it | 22:18 |
| pleia2 | yeah :\ | 22:18 |
| pleia2 | will you be around for a couple hours? | 22:18 |
| knome | we should maybe take a poll or so in the website on how many people will use alt | 22:18 |
| knome | probably yeah | 22:18 |
| knome | as long as my back can take it, yeah | 22:18 |
| pleia2 | ok, I am going to go grab my lunch and then I'll sit down to look at testing stuff | 22:18 |
| knome | okay, sure | 22:18 |
| knome | bon appetit :) | 22:19 |
| pleia2 | I did testing before when it was a wiki page list of tests ;) but I haven't used the iso tracker yet | 22:19 |
| knome | ah | 22:19 |
| pleia2 | oh, I'll start the daily downloads now | 22:19 |
| knome | well, that's pretty cool | 22:19 |
| knome | it's really straightforward | 22:19 |
| knome | and i think just promoting testing could get us easily a few people doing tests now-and-then | 22:19 |
| * pleia2 nods | 22:19 | |
| knome | but of course, we need continuous contributions :/ | 22:19 |
| pleia2 | once I figure out how to do it, I'll write that blog post I've been meaning to write | 22:19 |
| knome | mm-hmm | 22:20 |
| pleia2 | preference to testing 64 vs 32? | 22:20 |
| knome | ping me when you get back from lunch | 22:20 |
| knome | i think it depends on what has been tested | 22:20 |
| pleia2 | and is there a daily alt? | 22:21 |
| knome | looks like we have 0 tests on everything for 20120310 | 22:21 |
| pleia2 | ok | 22:21 |
| knome | yup | 22:21 |
| pleia2 | ah, /daily vs /daily-live | 22:21 |
| pleia2 | ok, wgets going, I'll ping you when I return :) | 22:22 |
| knome | good | 22:24 |
| ochosi | knome: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7381 | 22:25 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse XML returned by bugzilla.xfce.org: HTTP Error 404: Not Found (http://bugzilla.xfce.org/xml.cgi?id=7381) | 22:25 |
| ochosi | unfortunately it's a bit too late for precise, but for +1 we could make use of this | 22:25 |
| knome | hmm | 22:27 |
| knome | right | 22:27 |
| ochosi | (if you remember the appmenu-button proposal we worked on) | 22:27 |
| knome | yeah, i do | 22:27 |
| knome | do you have any opinion on testing? | 22:28 |
| ochosi | do you mean anything concretely? | 22:28 |
| ochosi | (haven't had time to read the backlog yet and am about to watch a movie) | 22:28 |
| knome | astraljava, ? | 22:29 |
| astraljava | Sorry. | 22:29 |
| knome | for what? :P | 22:29 |
| knome | when was the QA meeting again? | 22:30 |
| astraljava | I think it was on Wednesdays. | 22:30 |
| knome | "was" ? | 22:30 |
| astraljava | Haven't participated lately anymore. | 22:30 |
| knome | right | 22:31 |
| knome | ubuntu wiki sucks | 22:33 |
| pleia2 | knome: back | 22:57 |
| knome | pleia2, mmh :) | 22:58 |
| knome | i just tweeted our next community meeting | 22:59 |
| * knome gets some tea to drink | 23:00 | |
| pleia2 | so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures is the page charlie-tca gave me | 23:01 |
| knome | just log into http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ | 23:03 |
| knome | i can guide you through | 23:03 |
| pleia2 | done | 23:04 |
| knome | so, on the first page you have the milestones | 23:04 |
| knome | you want precise daily, of course | 23:04 |
| * pleia2 nods | 23:04 | |
| knome | when you click that, you'll have a list of products | 23:04 |
| knome | you can slim it down by unchecking most stuff on the left pane "filters" | 23:04 |
| knome | you probably want to leave "upgrade" and "xubuntu" (and statuses "untested" and "partial") | 23:05 |
| pleia2 | cool | 23:05 |
| knome | when you've done that scroll to the bottom | 23:05 |
| knome | you can see the xubuntu tests | 23:05 |
| knome | alt amd64, alt i386, desktop amd64, desktop i386 | 23:06 |
| * pleia2 nods | 23:06 | |
| knome | let's say you want to test desktop amd64 | 23:06 |
| knome | click that | 23:06 |
| knome | now you can see all the testcases | 23:06 |
| pleia2 | let's say i386, since I actually got that one ;) | 23:06 |
| knome | hehe, okay ;) | 23:06 |
| pleia2 | ok | 23:06 |
| knome | there are the testcase-specific results | 23:06 |
| knome | passed/failed/running, and the bugs column will show links to any bugs that are found | 23:07 |
| knome | for a working example, look at the desktop amd64 beta1 tests: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds/12681/testcases | 23:07 |
| pleia2 | ah, nice | 23:07 |
| knome | well anyway, the nicer thing | 23:07 |
| knome | there's the download info link on top | 23:08 |
| knome | with rsync/zsync commands | 23:08 |
| knome | and http of course | 23:08 |
| knome | with gpg signs and md5 checksums | 23:08 |
| knome | ALSO | 23:08 |
| pleia2 | oh that is much better than trying to remember the cdimage link :) | 23:08 |
| knome | you have the document icons with the tool | 23:08 |
| knome | if you click that, you'll get the procedure for that testcase | 23:08 |
| * pleia2 nods | 23:09 | |
| knome | now, when you start testing a testcase, you click on the testcase name | 23:09 |
| knome | let's say live session | 23:09 |
| * knome logs in | 23:09 | |
| knome | now you have this simple add a result -page | 23:10 |
| knome | first, you select the outcome | 23:10 |
| knome | then add bug #s for critical and normal bugs | 23:10 |
| knome | and you can add a hw profile url and/or a comment, eg "vbox with 512 ram" | 23:10 |
| knome | i don't think we're using "in progress" -result much now, but i think we could benefit from that if we ever have more testers | 23:11 |
| pleia2 | ok | 23:11 |
| knome | that way you wouldn't start doing the same test somebody else is on | 23:11 |
| pleia2 | where does the hw profile url come from? | 23:11 |
| knome | it can be anything | 23:11 |
| knome | some people add a wikipage for the HW info | 23:11 |
| pleia2 | oh, like a link to a product page for your laptop? | 23:11 |
| knome | but if you test with vbox, comment would be okay | 23:12 |
| pleia2 | ah | 23:12 |
| knome | well, that would work as well | 23:12 |
| knome | i don't know about it, but i suppose it's not clearly specified what that should be :) | 23:12 |
| * pleia2 nods | 23:12 | |
| knome | but yeah, that simply is it | 23:12 |
| knome | if you go back to the "precise daily" page, you can see the columns mandatory and run once | 23:13 |
| knome | those will have the number of testcases run | 23:13 |
| knome | like a good overview :) | 23:14 |
| knome | and the bugs too | 23:14 |
| pleia2 | ok cool | 23:14 |
| pleia2 | I'll do a test and ask questions about where my bugs go ;) | 23:14 |
| knome | again good example; http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds | 23:14 |
| knome | well, bugs should be at LP | 23:14 |
| knome | in the ISO tracker, you only need their numbers | 23:15 |
| knome | and the system will fetch the rest | 23:15 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I never know what packages to file stuff against | 23:15 |
| pleia2 | so I'll just ask | 23:15 |
| GridCube | evening | 23:15 |
| pleia2 | hey GridCube | 23:15 |
| knome | ah :) most probably ubiquity ;)) | 23:15 |
| GridCube | say miss pleia2 | 23:15 |
| GridCube | :) | 23:15 |
| * knome says: miss pleia2 | 23:16 | |
| GridCube | can i help in anything? | 23:16 |
| pleia2 | ok, so wait | 23:23 |
| pleia2 | Install (auto-resize) in Xubuntu Desktop i386 for Precise Daily links to http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/AlternateResize | 23:23 |
| pleia2 | the 64 bit links to http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopResize which I assume is correct | 23:24 |
| knome | ah, yeah :) | 23:24 |
| knome | most probably | 23:24 |
| * pleia2 qas the qa | 23:24 | |
| knome | hehe | 23:25 |
| pleia2 | ah, but I see a prerequisite for that one is actually having something to resize ;) | 23:27 |
| knome | :)= | 23:27 |
| knome | run a different test first, then resize | 23:27 |
| knome | that's another thing that doesn't help getting resize-test-results | 23:28 |
| pleia2 | there is all kind of strange greyness on the screen, not sure if it's just vbox weirdness | 23:31 |
| knome | pleia2, is it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/924909 ? | 23:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 924909 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Windows have grey traces in Ubiquity" [Medium,Confirmed] | 23:32 |
| pleia2 | I think so, http://princessleia.com/temp/xubuntu_031012.png | 23:32 |
| pleia2 | more grey happens when I move the window | 23:32 |
| knome | yuuup! | 23:33 |
| knome | that's it. | 23:33 |
| pleia2 | I have a background at least, not black | 23:33 |
| pleia2 | ah, someone says that | 23:34 |
| knome | well yeah, that part is fixed | 23:34 |
| knome | after we uploaded a wallpaper ;)) | 23:34 |
| pleia2 | hehe, that helps | 23:34 |
| pleia2 | ok, so this bug still exists, do I list the bug number into day's test? | 23:34 |
| knome | yeah | 23:34 |
| pleia2 | ok | 23:34 |
| knome | but it's not critical | 23:34 |
| knome | since you can still finish the testcase | 23:34 |
| pleia2 | yep | 23:34 |
| pleia2 | tsk, "arch" reports i686 rather than i386 | 23:36 |
| knome | :) | 23:37 |
| pleia2 | alright, that's all done | 23:39 |
| pleia2 | thanks knome :) | 23:41 |
| knome | no, thank you :) | 23:41 |
| * knome switches to wife's laptop with newly installed xubuntu over windows vista \o/ | 23:46 | |
| pleia2 | \o/ | 23:46 |
| pleia2 | the alt installer is such a pretty blue, did you guys do that? | 23:52 |
| pleia2 | the debian one is fugly (I use it /all the time/) | 23:52 |
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