[11:51] madnick, how's the plymouth stuff? [12:19] astraljava, you had a HP laptop? what wifi? i just installed xubuntu on wife's laptop, and with the broadcom wifi, i needed to use the b43 driver instead of the STA driver, which got installed by default.. [12:41] knome: I'll get back to you about that later, gotta run now. [15:40] knome: pretty much solid, the "problem" I have is that, while I can test it using my own message sequences, I cannot test it using VBox and get the real messages, since I don't see the screen at boot [15:43] madnick, then just push it for others to test [15:45] okay [15:49] hey there [18:30] knome: What was that again? My freenode server rebooted, and using SSL reconnects in a weird way, and thus I /quit and /connect'ed, thus losing backlog. [18:34] 14:19 knome: astraljava, you had a HP laptop? what wifi? i just installed xubuntu on wife's laptop, and with the broadcom wifi, i needed to use the b43 driver instead of the STA driver, which got installed by default.. [18:34] astraljava, ^ that [18:37] *-network [18:37] description: Wireless interface [18:37] product: BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller [18:38] i have bcm4312. [18:39] configuration: broadcast=yes driver=brcmsmac driverversion=3.0.0-16-generic firmware=N/A latency=0 link=no multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11bgn [18:39] brcmsmac [18:40] Huh, nice names for these drivers. [18:42] heh [21:18] pleia2, you there? [21:18] knome: hardly anyone comes here [21:19] TheMouldyMarsBar, wrong. many people come here regularly. sometimes they just lurk. [21:19] *hardly anyone CHATS here [21:20] well, that's wrong too. people chat here when they need to discuss about development [21:20] Most just go to #xubuntu [21:20] now that we have all freezes ongoing, there's not much to communicate about, except some bugs [21:21] well, #xubuntu is for the support. if you need support, that's the correct channel. [21:22] we don't specifically discourage random chatter here now and then, but usually people take that to #xubuntu-offtopic or other channels [22:09] knome: hey [22:12] no response yet from the trademarks folks :\ [22:13] pleia2, umph. [22:13] pleia2, i was thinking the alternate disc still [22:13] knome: to drop it? [22:13] pleia2, well yeah. isn't there any other way to achieve those certain things? [22:14] use server alt and install xubuntu-desktop :) [22:14] do you think that's something we shouldn't tell people to do? [22:14] i mean, testing the alt vs. not testing [22:15] and maintaining vs. not [22:15] those are the things [22:15] oh, that, we will keep the alt? [22:15] gotcha [22:15] what is the blocker to testing the alt? [22:15] is it worth it? [22:15] nothing really [22:15] time and resources [22:16] if we didn't have alt, we'd have more tests on desktop [22:16] ok, I think desktop has to take precedence [22:16] the other choice is to drop anything in the alt-tests to "run-once" [22:17] I can't help with hardware testing (no spare hardware) but I can help with virtual testing of alt [22:17] whatever the case, i think we'd benefit from more testing [22:17] * pleia2 has been meaning to help with testing more anyway [22:17] and actually reporting and discussing issues sooner [22:17] * pleia2 nods [22:17] i'm not really pro-drop-alt [22:18] I love alt [22:18] but i'm just wondering if we have the resources for it [22:18] yeah :\ [22:18] will you be around for a couple hours? [22:18] we should maybe take a poll or so in the website on how many people will use alt [22:18] probably yeah [22:18] as long as my back can take it, yeah [22:18] ok, I am going to go grab my lunch and then I'll sit down to look at testing stuff [22:18] okay, sure [22:19] bon appetit :) [22:19] I did testing before when it was a wiki page list of tests ;) but I haven't used the iso tracker yet [22:19] ah [22:19] oh, I'll start the daily downloads now [22:19] well, that's pretty cool [22:19] it's really straightforward [22:19] and i think just promoting testing could get us easily a few people doing tests now-and-then [22:19] * pleia2 nods [22:19] but of course, we need continuous contributions :/ [22:19] once I figure out how to do it, I'll write that blog post I've been meaning to write [22:20] mm-hmm [22:20] preference to testing 64 vs 32? [22:20] ping me when you get back from lunch [22:20] i think it depends on what has been tested [22:21] and is there a daily alt? [22:21] looks like we have 0 tests on everything for 20120310 [22:21] ok [22:21] yup [22:21] ah, /daily vs /daily-live [22:22] ok, wgets going, I'll ping you when I return :) [22:24] good [22:25] knome: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7381 [22:25] Error: Could not parse XML returned by bugzilla.xfce.org: HTTP Error 404: Not Found (http://bugzilla.xfce.org/xml.cgi?id=7381) [22:25] unfortunately it's a bit too late for precise, but for +1 we could make use of this [22:27] hmm [22:27] right [22:27] (if you remember the appmenu-button proposal we worked on) [22:27] yeah, i do [22:28] do you have any opinion on testing? [22:28] do you mean anything concretely? [22:28] (haven't had time to read the backlog yet and am about to watch a movie) [22:29] astraljava, ? [22:29] Sorry. [22:29] for what? :P [22:30] when was the QA meeting again? [22:30] I think it was on Wednesdays. [22:30] "was" ? [22:30] Haven't participated lately anymore. [22:31] right [22:33] ubuntu wiki sucks [22:57] knome: back [22:58] pleia2, mmh :) [22:59] i just tweeted our next community meeting [23:00] * knome gets some tea to drink [23:01] so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures is the page charlie-tca gave me [23:03] just log into http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [23:03] i can guide you through [23:04] done [23:04] so, on the first page you have the milestones [23:04] you want precise daily, of course [23:04] * pleia2 nods [23:04] when you click that, you'll have a list of products [23:04] you can slim it down by unchecking most stuff on the left pane "filters" [23:05] you probably want to leave "upgrade" and "xubuntu" (and statuses "untested" and "partial") [23:05] cool [23:05] when you've done that scroll to the bottom [23:05] you can see the xubuntu tests [23:06] alt amd64, alt i386, desktop amd64, desktop i386 [23:06] * pleia2 nods [23:06] let's say you want to test desktop amd64 [23:06] click that [23:06] now you can see all the testcases [23:06] let's say i386, since I actually got that one ;) [23:06] hehe, okay ;) [23:06] ok [23:06] there are the testcase-specific results [23:07] passed/failed/running, and the bugs column will show links to any bugs that are found [23:07] for a working example, look at the desktop amd64 beta1 tests: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds/12681/testcases [23:07] ah, nice [23:07] well anyway, the nicer thing [23:08] there's the download info link on top [23:08] with rsync/zsync commands [23:08] and http of course [23:08] with gpg signs and md5 checksums [23:08] ALSO [23:08] oh that is much better than trying to remember the cdimage link :) [23:08] you have the document icons with the tool [23:08] if you click that, you'll get the procedure for that testcase [23:09] * pleia2 nods [23:09] now, when you start testing a testcase, you click on the testcase name [23:09] let's say live session [23:09] * knome logs in [23:10] now you have this simple add a result -page [23:10] first, you select the outcome [23:10] then add bug #s for critical and normal bugs [23:10] and you can add a hw profile url and/or a comment, eg "vbox with 512 ram" [23:11] i don't think we're using "in progress" -result much now, but i think we could benefit from that if we ever have more testers [23:11] ok [23:11] that way you wouldn't start doing the same test somebody else is on [23:11] where does the hw profile url come from? [23:11] it can be anything [23:11] some people add a wikipage for the HW info [23:11] oh, like a link to a product page for your laptop? [23:12] but if you test with vbox, comment would be okay [23:12] ah [23:12] well, that would work as well [23:12] i don't know about it, but i suppose it's not clearly specified what that should be :) [23:12] * pleia2 nods [23:12] but yeah, that simply is it [23:13] if you go back to the "precise daily" page, you can see the columns mandatory and run once [23:13] those will have the number of testcases run [23:14] like a good overview :) [23:14] and the bugs too [23:14] ok cool [23:14] I'll do a test and ask questions about where my bugs go ;) [23:14] again good example; http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds [23:14] well, bugs should be at LP [23:15] in the ISO tracker, you only need their numbers [23:15] and the system will fetch the rest [23:15] yeah, I never know what packages to file stuff against [23:15] so I'll just ask [23:15] evening [23:15] hey GridCube [23:15] ah :) most probably ubiquity ;)) [23:15] say miss pleia2 [23:15] :) [23:16] * knome says: miss pleia2 [23:16] can i help in anything? [23:23] ok, so wait [23:23] Install (auto-resize) in Xubuntu Desktop i386 for Precise Daily links to http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/AlternateResize [23:24] the 64 bit links to http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopResize which I assume is correct [23:24] ah, yeah :) [23:24] most probably [23:24] * pleia2 qas the qa [23:25] hehe [23:27] ah, but I see a prerequisite for that one is actually having something to resize ;) [23:27] :)= [23:27] run a different test first, then resize [23:28] that's another thing that doesn't help getting resize-test-results [23:31] there is all kind of strange greyness on the screen, not sure if it's just vbox weirdness [23:32] pleia2, is it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/924909 ? [23:32] Launchpad bug 924909 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Windows have grey traces in Ubiquity" [Medium,Confirmed] [23:32] I think so, http://princessleia.com/temp/xubuntu_031012.png [23:32] more grey happens when I move the window [23:33] yuuup! [23:33] that's it. [23:33] I have a background at least, not black [23:34] ah, someone says that [23:34] well yeah, that part is fixed [23:34] after we uploaded a wallpaper ;)) [23:34] hehe, that helps [23:34] ok, so this bug still exists, do I list the bug number into day's test? [23:34] yeah [23:34] ok [23:34] but it's not critical [23:34] since you can still finish the testcase [23:34] yep [23:36] tsk, "arch" reports i686 rather than i386 [23:37] :) [23:39] alright, that's all done [23:41] thanks knome :) [23:41] no, thank you :) [23:46] * knome switches to wife's laptop with newly installed xubuntu over windows vista \o/ [23:46] \o/ [23:52] the alt installer is such a pretty blue, did you guys do that? [23:52] the debian one is fugly (I use it /all the time/)