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| antono | hi all | 13:21 |
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| antono | charm for statusnet is broken somehow | 13:21 |
| antono | anyone managed to use it succesfully? | 13:21 |
| antono | first i belive it's not idemponent... koz it fails on juju resolved --retry statusnet/X trying remove index.html that already was deleted | 13:22 |
| antono | i think some automatical idemponency check for charms should be performed. otherwise charm store will be full of half-baked half-working charms. | 13:23 |
| antono | and one question: can i use something other than m1.small on amazon? | 13:24 |
| antono | oh. there is a bug reported against statusnet charm LP#914851 | 13:30 |
| _mup_ | Bug #914851: Fails to configure when title has a space in it <statusnet (Juju Charms Collection):New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/914851 > | 13:30 |
| antono | is it possible to install 2 services on 1 machine with juju? | 13:53 |
| antono | each juju deploy runs new EC2 instance. it does not look smart | 13:54 |
| _mup_ | Bug #952262 was filed: Juju should use XDG directory layout <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/952262 > | 14:08 |
| antono | i found hwo to run other than m1.small! "default-instance-type" in config | 14:26 |
| SpamapS | antono: actually I think I found that it had some idempotency problems a while back yeah | 14:58 |
| SpamapS | antono: we do an automated install test right now | 14:58 |
| antono | SpamapS: cool! | 14:58 |
| SpamapS | antono: http://charmtests.markmims.com/ | 14:58 |
| antono | i going to create generic rails charm | 14:58 |
| SpamapS | antono: and a lot were broken by a recent change to config.yaml handling IIRC | 14:59 |
| SpamapS | antono: there's already a generic rails charm | 14:59 |
| antono | oh, for real? :) | 14:59 |
| antono | havent find it yet :) | 14:59 |
| antono | can i clone all charms in one place with one command? | 15:00 |
| SpamapS | antono: try 'charm search rails' | 15:00 |
| antono | i came from git background and not sure how to deal with submodules in bzr | 15:00 |
| SpamapS | antono: 'charm getall /path/to/charm/root' | 15:00 |
| antono | wow. cool | 15:01 |
| SpamapS | oh git.. :-P | 15:01 |
| SpamapS | antono: note that charm getall is REALLY slow | 15:01 |
| antono | SpamapS: is it possible to set somehow default repository | 15:01 |
| antono | , | 15:01 |
| antono | SpamapS: oh, bzr | 15:02 |
| antono | :) | 15:02 |
| antono | i'd like to get all charms somwhere to ~/.local/share/juju/charms and use it as default repository... unless other location specified | 15:03 |
| SpamapS | antono: I'd be happy to take a patch to charm-tools to provide a way to get them all branchd from git instead of bzr. | 15:03 |
| antono | SpamapS: as for me bzr is ok :) | 15:03 |
| antono | nice to learn something new | 15:03 |
| SpamapS | antono: a change landed last week that takes the default --repository from $JUJU_REPOSITORYY | 15:04 |
| SpamapS | bzr is about 5x easier than git to learn | 15:04 |
| antono | SpamapS: yep. probably yes | 15:04 |
| SpamapS | It just makes it harder to rewrite history like git, so people get frustrated with it because they're used to that. | 15:04 |
| antono | SpamapS: i found bzr rebase plugin :) | 15:05 |
| SpamapS | yeah, which is silly once you realize that the very act of doing 'bzr merge' is just like rebase, except it does not discard history. | 15:05 |
| antono | SpamapS: does bzr merge put my commits on top of target branch? | 15:06 |
| SpamapS | antono: if you have branch A, and branch B, and you mege from B->A, then A will get one commit with all the missing changes from B. | 15:07 |
| antono | SpamapS: and collocated branches is something really useful. i know they are here with bzr 2.5 | 15:07 |
| SpamapS | antono: there's a blugin for that I think now called cobzr | 15:08 |
| SpamapS | written, oddly enough, by the original architect of juju ;) | 15:08 |
| SpamapS | antono: http://labix.org/cobzr | 15:08 |
| antono | SpamapS: not sure why but i'd like to have separate commits after merge | 15:08 |
| antono | anyway. juju is way to go | 15:09 |
| antono | i like it | 15:09 |
| antono | but... some questions to you :) | 15:09 |
| SpamapS | antono: they're still there.. just wrapped up in a single commit. | 15:09 |
| antono | does it allow to run some unit on specified machine? | 15:10 |
| antono | i would like to run 3 app servers and 1 db on single amazon node | 15:10 |
| SpamapS | antono: two answers for that | 15:10 |
| SpamapS | antono: either a) use the local provider on that one machine (but this means you cannot scale beyond that one machine) | 15:10 |
| SpamapS | antono: or b) lets go on an adventure to see if the recent 'constraints' branch allows specifying machine ids.. | 15:11 |
| SpamapS | antono: there's also c) use my new experimental not yet landed 'charm splice' command to splice those 4 things into one charm. | 15:11 |
| antono | SpamapS: thanks for your answers | 15:12 |
| * antono afk for 1 hour | 15:12 | |
| marcoceppi | d) all of the above? | 15:18 |
| SpamapS | marcoceppi: tell that to George Zip! | 15:30 |
| antono | hmm. why bzr log does not pipe output to pager by default on ubuntu? | 15:48 |
| SpamapS | antono: because |less is easy? | 15:49 |
| antono | oh noes. extra typing is totally wrong. same as expricit --repository requirement | 15:50 |
| SpamapS | antono: --repository is all but gone | 15:54 |
| antono | SpamapS: nice :) | 15:55 |
| antono | same |less should go by default | 15:55 |
| SpamapS | antono: antono |less is optional though.. if you want to search, | less.. if you just want to limit.. -l # | 15:55 |
| SpamapS | antono: its a different philosophy, but I personally hate things that push me into the pager like that. :-P | 15:55 |
| antono | i love ubuntu for sane defaults... and i'ts clear why it's not piped by default in bzr. but on linux it could be default behavior. (i should rant in #bzr probably) | 15:56 |
| marcoceppi | but if it goes to pager, how will I |grep -ri "stupid committer" to find all the dumb things someone did? | 15:59 |
| marcoceppi | :) | 16:00 |
| SpamapS | marcoceppi: it would only go to pager if isatty(stdout) | 16:01 |
| SpamapS | its a valid, but annoying practice imo | 16:02 |
| antono | and grep works ok with bzr-pager plugin... | 16:02 |
| antono | SpamapS: what do you think about charm get lp:some/charm ? | 16:04 |
| SpamapS | antono: charm get is a bit of a hack... | 16:05 |
| SpamapS | antono: its mostly for getting charms from the official repo/dev series.. if you want a specific charm.. bzr branch works. :-P | 16:06 |
| SpamapS | antono: the whole 'charm get*' set of commands is supposed to go away once the full charm store backend service goes live | 16:06 |
| antono | aha. i saw broken requests to store.charms... | 16:06 |
| antono | how can i set default environment? | 16:07 |
| SpamapS | antono: in environments.yaml, you can set a root element 'default: xxxx' | 16:07 |
| SpamapS | antono: or JUJU_ENVIRONMENT | 16:08 |
| SpamapS | antono: sorry, JUJU_ENV | 16:08 |
| SpamapS | which is apparently undocumented. :( | 16:09 |
| antono | SpamapS: me researching the code :) | 16:10 |
| SpamapS | At this point we have 2 JUJU_ environment variables affecting the cli.. and 1 in review.. we should probably make a dedicated environment variables document. | 16:13 |
| antono | SpamapS: i think it should go to man juju | 16:14 |
| SpamapS | hahahahahaha | 16:15 |
| SpamapS | man page | 16:15 |
| SpamapS | thats rich | 16:15 |
| SpamapS | antono: I wrote a man page once. The dev team rejected it because it wasn't auto-generated :-/ | 16:15 |
| antono | SpamapS: auto generated from source? | 16:15 |
| antono | Is there any python solutions for such tasks? | 16:16 |
| SpamapS | yeah.. they want the man page to be generated from all the argparse --help output | 16:16 |
| SpamapS | nope | 16:16 |
| SpamapS | I'd have to write it myself | 16:16 |
| antono | good idea | 16:16 |
| antono | :) | 16:16 |
| SpamapS | sat down to | 16:16 |
| SpamapS | got disgusted with argparse | 16:16 |
| SpamapS | antono: btw, was the statusnet problem you saw bug 914851 ? I'm about to fix that (and add a test for it) | 16:17 |
| _mup_ | Bug #914851: Fails to configure when title has a space in it <statusnet (Juju Charms Collection):Confirmed> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/914851 > | 16:17 |
| antono | SpamapS: yes, it is | 16:18 |
| antono | Also i belive it doesnt clear /var/www on remove-unit | 16:18 |
| antono | so next add-unit fails | 16:18 |
| antono | need to check it | 16:18 |
| antono | fails due to rm /var/www/index | 16:19 |
| antono | now. it's obvious that just merging charms will not work | 16:19 |
| antono | i mean just merge charms to run all on single machine | 16:19 |
| antono | it should be some good conventions/guidlines for each charm | 16:20 |
| antono | where should it put it's files | 16:20 |
| SpamapS | antono: what is "remove-unit" ? ;) | 16:20 |
| antono | statusnet puts all to /var/www | 16:20 |
| SpamapS | antono: charms were never meant to be more than 1 per server | 16:21 |
| antono | SpamapS: i can only say it's bad limitation | 16:21 |
| SpamapS | antono: the dev team wants to use LXC so the charms are completely namespaced from eachother | 16:22 |
| antono | SpamapS: yeah. thats good idea. in this case it's ok to have charm per machine | 16:23 |
| antono | and it's certainly will simplyfy things a lot | 16:23 |
| SpamapS | antono: unfortunately, thats complicated because LXC also namespaces the network.. so you have to figure out a way to make all the charms reachable from all the other nodes. On EC2 that won't work because the network is tightly controlled. | 16:23 |
| antono | from charm-writer point of view | 16:23 |
| SpamapS | antono: t1.micro is pretty cheap... ;) | 16:24 |
| SpamapS | for testing. And for production.. m1.small's are the only sane thing. :) | 16:24 |
| antono | i use m1.micro for my blog, mail, jabber, git etc | 16:25 |
| SpamapS | antono: right, none of those would conflict with the splice method. :) | 16:27 |
| SpamapS | antono: I actually think deploy and add-unit should take a '--machine' argument.. this is agreed upon as a more generick '--placement' option but its implementation is still pending. | 16:29 |
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| jcastro | oh cool, are you deploying status.net with the charm antono? | 16:35 |
| _mup_ | Bug #952355 was filed: Backward incompatible change: existing env boolean values cause total failure <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/952355 > | 16:39 |
| antono | jcastro: yes, just testing juju following instructions in your post | 16:42 |
| antono | jcastro: probably i'll make a charm for http://rstat.us/ | 16:42 |
| antono | koz it's better than statusnet | 16:42 |
| jcastro | ah, cool! | 16:43 |
| antono | and also support ostatus protocol | 16:43 |
| jcastro | you can enter it in the charm contest! (See topic) | 16:43 |
| antono | jcastro: yep, i saw | 16:43 |
| antono | jcastro: you should also make juju documentation contest | 16:44 |
| antono | i'd like to record some plain/text screencasts for juju | 16:44 |
| antono | like this one: http://shelr.tv/records/4f53e3df8841ac0001000001 | 16:44 |
| antono | so copy/paste will work and make things easier for newcomers | 16:45 |
| SpamapS | antono: rstat.us looks nice. :) | 16:45 |
| antono | one more thing i going to charm is http://gitlabhq.com/ | 16:46 |
| antono | should i put this to google doc before start? | 16:46 |
| SpamapS | antono: bugs.launchpad.net/charms | 16:46 |
| jcastro | I have a bug for gitlab | 16:46 |
| jcastro | gitlab would be quite awesome. | 16:47 |
| SpamapS | the google doc is not really authoritative.. its just richer and easier to organize than bugs.launchpad.net | 16:47 |
| jcastro | SpamapS, I have a mind to just kill the gdoc | 16:47 |
| SpamapS | columns are good... | 16:47 |
| antono | what do you think guys about obeying XDG spec for juju data? | 16:47 |
| SpamapS | antono: I saw that. Interesting idea. | 16:47 |
| antono | i mean ~/.config/juju ~/.local/share/juju etc | 16:47 |
| jcastro | https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/931835 | 16:47 |
| jcastro | here you go ^ | 16:48 |
| _mup_ | Bug #931835: Charm needed: Gitlab <Juju Charms Collection:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/931835 > | 16:48 |
| antono | jcastro: so i should just assign me and start? | 16:48 |
| jcastro | sure! | 16:48 |
| antono | done :) | 16:49 |
| antono | i mean assigned ;) | 16:49 |
| jcastro | hey nice | 16:49 |
| jcastro | so gitlab needs mysql and ruby | 16:49 |
| jcastro | we have those charmed already | 16:49 |
| antono | jcastro: sqlite afaik | 16:49 |
| antono | it has some slite specific sql for now | 16:49 |
| jcastro | ah ok | 16:50 |
| jcastro | no worries, just as easy | 16:50 |
| antono | yep. | 16:50 |
| antono | just as easy as git clone + bundle install | 16:50 |
| antono | + some setup for apache/nginx | 16:50 |
| jcastro | gitolite would be cool I think because we don't have a charm that is "I want my own git repo hotness" | 16:50 |
| SpamapS | jcastro: ruby isn't really "charmed" | 16:51 |
| antono | jcastro: why should it be charmed? :) | 16:51 |
| antono | i think it should be ok with apt-get install -y ruby1.9.1-full in install hook | 16:52 |
| SpamapS | antono: that bit.. "+ some setup" .. thats where the charm wins :) | 16:52 |
| antono | at least such things work in other charms | 16:52 |
| SpamapS | antono: I don't think jcastro meant what we think he meant ;) | 16:52 |
| SpamapS | antono: indeed, just installing the components you need in the install hook is all that is needed | 16:53 |
| jcastro | no I did not mean what you thought I meant | 16:53 |
| jcastro | sorry | 16:53 |
| antono | i have some chef experience | 16:53 |
| jcastro | I was just thinking aloud when I saw their requirements and was like "we have that, that, and that." | 16:53 |
| antono | it would be nice to reuse it in charms | 16:53 |
| jcastro | you can absolutely do that | 16:54 |
| jcastro | I am surprised no one has tried that yet | 16:54 |
| antono | it has a lot of well tested idemponent recipes | 16:54 |
| antono | chef/pupet recipes is a way to go for charms | 16:55 |
| antono | like build blocks. tested. they have good collection of recipes | 16:55 |
| antono | also it may increase portability of charms | 16:55 |
| antono | koz for now they are only debian/ubuntu | 16:55 |
| SpamapS | antono: yeah, do that. :) | 16:55 |
| SpamapS | antono: there has been *zero* interest in porting juju to other platforms. | 16:56 |
| SpamapS | antono: people ask if its possible, thats it | 16:56 |
| jcastro | I'd rather see a gitolite charm first though | 16:56 |
| jcastro | People need a slick self-hosted alternative to github! | 16:57 |
| antono | jcastro: right. same i do | 16:57 |
| antono | i considered gitorious | 16:57 |
| SpamapS | antono: Maybe we're biased, being canonical people, but I think using juju means you don't have to care about which OS you're running. | 16:57 |
| antono | but its hard to install | 16:57 |
| antono | so charm would be nice | 16:57 |
| antono | later i find gitolite | 16:57 |
| jcastro | the nice thing is you can keep the charm up to date | 16:58 |
| jcastro | you don't have to worry about if a package will make the ubuntu release or whatever. | 16:58 |
| antono | yes. and it's much more hard to resolve all dependency hell in ruby land | 16:58 |
| antono | is there any plans to push usage of augtool in charms? | 16:59 |
| antono | charms in esence are very similar to less strict packaging systems like arch guys have | 17:00 |
| jcastro | never heard of augtool | 17:01 |
| jcastro | oh, the augeas thing | 17:01 |
| antono | augeas, yes | 17:01 |
| antono | almost silver bullet for configuration management | 17:01 |
| jcastro | I don't see any reason why you wouldn't use it if you want to in a charm | 17:02 |
| antono | in all this config zoo it provides unified api at least | 17:02 |
| antono | hey, all! who participates charms contest? | 17:03 |
| jcastro | there's been 3 or 4 so fat | 17:03 |
| jcastro | err, so far | 17:03 |
| SpamapS | antono: I've used augtool .. I converted to creating files with appending though | 17:04 |
| SpamapS | antono: augeas is a neat idea.. and useful when you have multiple things influencing a config file that is complicated. But ultimately, its far more predictable to simply control the inputs, and generate the config in its entirety | 17:05 |
| SpamapS | jcastro: are you able to deploy stuff with r467 ? | 17:06 |
| jcastro | SpamapS, I only use what you give me in distro bro | 17:09 |
| SpamapS | ahhhh | 17:09 |
| antono | SpamapS: you are right. when every charm isolated in it's own container than it's easier to just fill config template with some values | 17:11 |
| antono | but... augeas also have augtool get | 17:11 |
| antono | wich is useful... not all this sed | grep | cut stuff | 17:12 |
| antono | and more reliable than shell one liners... | 17:12 |
| SpamapS | antono: right, but what would you be extracting from config that you don't know as a charm author? | 17:13 |
| antono | right, totally predictable... | 17:14 |
| SpamapS | antono: and even if charms need to both influence a config file, they should both collaborate around that, not try to avoid eachother. | 17:15 |
| james_w | hey peeps | 17:17 |
| james_w | where do we stand with subordinate charms? | 17:17 |
| m_3 | james_w: still waiting | 17:24 |
| SpamapS | james_w: landing | 17:24 |
| SpamapS | I believe its all in review | 17:24 |
| SpamapS | m_3: did you run into the new brokenheaded way that juju is verifying *ALL* of the charms in a repository? | 17:25 |
| SpamapS | m_3: I can't deploy anything right now.. because nearly half of the charm sin my repo have a bad boolean | 17:25 |
| m_3 | SpamapS: still on cli from earlier in the week | 17:26 |
| SpamapS | stay there | 17:27 |
| SpamapS | I"m going to raise a Critical bug | 17:27 |
| SpamapS | this is just *wrong* | 17:27 |
| m_3 | I didn't have time to fix all of the charms this weekend... | 17:27 |
| m_3 | task for next week! | 17:27 |
| m_3 | dude, devopsdays has turned our submitted talks into a panel... juju,chef,puppet,crowbar,cloudformation,pallet,etc | 17:28 |
| m_3 | whoohoo! should be entertaining | 17:28 |
| SpamapS | yeah sounds like fun | 17:29 |
| m_3 | SpamapS: btw, how was your upgrade process for mactel? it's time to bump the lappy | 17:30 |
| _mup_ | Bug #952397 was filed: Juju is forcing *ALL* charms in a repo to be perfect to be able to deploy *any* <juju:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/952397 > | 17:30 |
| SpamapS | m_3: I upgraded a *long* time ago | 17:31 |
| jcastro | m_3, man that sounds awesome | 17:31 |
| SpamapS | m_3: been working great | 17:31 |
| m_3 | did my desktop earlier, but've been waiting on the laptop b/c of the travel | 17:31 |
| m_3 | jcastro: picked up the gauntlet | 17:31 |
| SpamapS | m_3: its safe, go for it | 17:31 |
| m_3 | I think I've got a great opener... love to run it by you guys this week | 17:32 |
| jcastro | for sure! | 17:32 |
| SpamapS | m_3: tho I recommend unity-2d for battery life. :) | 17:32 |
| SpamapS | anyway, time to go enjoy my Sunday | 17:32 |
| jcastro | <-- pool for me, cya guys | 17:32 |
| m_3 | enjoy | 17:32 |
| m_3 | ha nice | 17:32 |
| SpamapS | if you guys run into weird "ServiceConfigValueError" , its bug 952397 | 17:33 |
| _mup_ | Bug #952397: Juju is forcing *ALL* charms in a repo to be perfect to be able to deploy *any* <juju:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/952397 > | 17:33 |
| SpamapS | Hopefully we can get that fixed early tomorrow | 17:33 |
| m_3 | yeah, maybe there's a nicer way to handle type-safety too | 17:34 |
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| antono | Not sure what i doing wrong... but | 21:14 |
| antono | juju deploy local:oneiric/mysql --repository . | 21:14 |
| antono | 2012-03-12 00:13:57,830 INFO Searching for charm | 21:14 |
| antono | Invalid value for cache: False | 21:14 |
| antono | 2012-03-12 00:13:57,897 ERROR Invalid value for cache: False | 21:14 |
| antono | 21:14 | |
| antono | current repository contains output of charm getall | 21:14 |
| antono | oh. it seems i was affected by LP#952397 | 21:27 |
| _mup_ | Bug #952397: Juju is forcing *ALL* charms in a repo to be perfect to be able to deploy *any* <juju:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/952397 > | 21:27 |
| antono | hmm.. where should i report ami problems? can i use alternative ami? | 21:34 |
| antono | 2 t1.micro hangs 10 minutes after start. system log shows | 21:34 |
| antono | [ 167.094249] 1 multicall(s) failed: cpu 0 | 21:34 |
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