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dez4rkSup kubuntu'ers?00:50
sluckxzyoyo juzz chillin00:52
redxiii just installed kubuntu and ran the updater, it is hung at "Preparing to configure plasma-dataengines-workspace'00:54
redxiiall the applications are gone in the launcher and made a shortcut to firefox on the desktop  beforehand00:55
redxiican't close it or log off00:55
sluckxzdoes alt+2 work?00:56
sluckxzor ctrl+alt+f2?00:56
sluckxzi have had a couple updates hang for some reason as well.00:57
redxiiyeah00:57
sluckxzi got past hung updates by killing the process deleteing lock files and redoing it with apt in a console00:58
sluckxzhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/89401/first-update-after-fresk-kubuntu-install-hangs-because-of-dpkg-now-what00:59
redxiiwhere is the lock file located00:59
sluckxzi forgot try to run apt-get dist-upgrade and tell me the error and i can google it for you if you want01:00
sluckxz/var/cache/apt/archives/lock ?01:01
sluckxznope thats not it01:02
redxii   /var/lib/dpkg/lock01:02
dez4rkPackage/Software Issue! I can't install any packages or remove, or anything.. I get this error no matter what command I run. And, I also can't use Muon because it errors out... How can I clear this error?01:07
dez4rkE: The package virtualbox-4.1 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.01:07
sluckxzhttp://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads01:09
sluckxzhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=184167201:09
sluckxzbasically says grab the .deb and install it yourself01:09
dez4rkThat's not the problem01:10
dez4rkI have virtualbox installed01:10
dez4rkI can't install anything else01:10
EvilResistancepastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ?01:10
redxiiwhat commands do i run to install the updates again01:11
dez4rkhttp://pastebin.com/t0B4pmLN01:12
redxiigot it01:14
redxiithere was another lock file01:14
sluckxzcool!01:14
sluckxzyea i wasnt sure if you had to delete both or what.  dont really remember that well.01:15
redxiii ran sudo apt-get update and install -f01:15
redxiiwell, dpkg --configure -a before that..01:16
sluckxzyea sounds familiar,  im sure i'll have to google it again when it comes up.  suppose i could right it down somewhere.01:16
sluckxzoh well alls well.. 4.8.1 is nice!01:17
redxiimuon won't run anymore, crashes01:17
redxiistill 53 packages to upgrade that's probably why01:17
redxiiok there it goes01:18
redxiieverything's still fucked up01:20
EvilResistance!language01:21
ubottuPlease watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.01:21
sluckxzdid you use muon again?01:24
redxii_getting this now http://pastebin.com/sjvFuyH301:24
sluckxzafter i cleaned it up i just used apt in a console to do my updates and it went fine for me.01:24
sluckxzsorry man... do it with apt.01:25
redxii_i turned my laptop off forcibly01:25
redxii_so i didn't see anything you typed in the last few minutes01:26
sluckxzim having a problem with muon where i have to alt2 kdesudo to get it to work01:26
sluckxzon another install it works fine01:26
sluckxzstop trying to update with moun,  use apt.  hopefully they are working on it as muon seems a bit buggy to me.01:26
redxii_no kidding01:27
sluckxzhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/85579301:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 840306 in qapt (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #855793 Muon hangs when using etckeeper" [High,Fix released]01:27
sluckxzthat was me too a t01:27
sluckxzi was using beta 1 and i didnt want to download another iso01:28
sluckxzstarted ignoring muon and used apt and it went away.01:28
redxii_brb01:28
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ybitlast plug for the day02:12
ybit#kde-usa was created yesterday to help organize the american kde community, i hope to see some of you there02:13
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dnivrahello. I recently downgraded from kubuntu-backports and now graphic effects, window switcher and login screen are messed up-looks like neither from backports, nor from 11.10 official repo. i remember that KDE didn't get upgraded automatically when installing backports. is there a similar issue when downgrading?04:22
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almoxarifewho used to use dnsmasq who knows how to make the changes needed to 12.04 to get dnsmasq running as previous?04:33
almoxarifeI like the idea of builtin dnsmasq, I just want my old config back04:33
ybitdnivra: i'm sorry i can't help04:42
ybitdon't want you to think you are being ignored04:42
ybitalmoxarife: i never used dnsmasq04:42
almoxarifeybit: good util04:43
ybiti've never messed with dns configuratin04:43
ybitplus an "o" in that last word04:43
almoxarifeybit: its not really dns as much as caching04:43
ybitcaching of?04:43
ybiti'm not informed when it comes to networking04:44
almoxarifeybit: it remembers x ip's of www's you go to, so the process is sped up04:44
ybitaha04:45
ybitdidn't open dns do something like this04:45
dnivraybit: that's quite alright. i've asked this question yesterday but yet to get an answer. i fixed the hideous login screen by changing the theme. but the window switcher and the graphics effects are still the same :(04:45
dnivrai'll check again in a while-maybe someone would have answered meanwhile.04:46
dnivrathanks ybit :).04:46
ybitdnivra: you might have better luck with the mailing list04:46
ybitor bugs.kde.org04:46
almoxarifeybit: open dns is a server somewhere in the internet, dnsmasq is your local cache, local will always be faster than a trip to a server and back04:46
ybiter.. whatever kubuntu uses04:46
ybitlaunchpad or something04:47
almoxarifednivra: what was your question?04:47
dnivraalmoxarife: I recently downgraded from kubuntu-backports and now graphic effects, window switcher and menu bar of windows are missing. i'm running kubuntu 11.1004:49
dnivrai'm just going to try something. be back in a bit.04:49
dnivraokay that didn't work. almoxarife i fixed my login screen by changing theme. but I can't enable graphic effects, see the windows I'm switching to in the window switcher and the menu bar of dolphin is missing.04:51
almoxarifednivra: those backport updates you installed are now gone, meanwhile your confs are all depending on the updates, why did you revert?04:51
almoxarifednivra: the menu bar of dolphin is a dolphin configuration04:52
dnivratwo reasons-one the screen kept going blank when idle for short periods and two the userlist in quassel wasn't being displayed.04:52
dnivrai asked about issue one here and well the most obvious solution didn't work-i found that all relevant settings were disabled in the power management or energy management.04:53
almoxarifednivra: screen went black because of the default power management settings, quassel I am not sure about, there is always 'pidgin' , does irc and a lot more04:54
almoxarifednivra: I would restore the backports, those are upgrades/updates04:55
dnivraalmoxarife: like i said, the defaults in power management settings didn't have "turn off the screen" option check. and I'm not using just quassel-i've an instance of quasselcore running on a server so that I am signed into IRC 24x7.05:26
almoxarifednivra: good luck with the endevour05:27
dnivraalmoxarife: thanks!05:28
dnivradoes anyone know the package to which the window switcher belongs to? I'll try reconfiguring it-maybe that'll help.05:28
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almoxarifednivra: I dabbled with quassel I never saw the nick list issue05:29
dnivraalmoxarife: quasselclient in kubuntu backports?05:29
dnivrait works fine in the version available in the official 11.10 repo but not in the backports.05:30
almoxarifednivra: kwin or plasma-desktop, got it , kwin, killing plasma still leaves me window switching05:30
dnivragreat! kwin it is then.05:30
almoxarifednivra: yes, had all the ppa's tagged, ran into a issue finally with broken dependencies with libc605:31
dnivraalmoxarife: thanks for the tip on the dolphin configuration! the menu bar was disabled in ~/.kde/share/config/dolphinrc05:31
dnivragot it back now.05:31
almoxarifednivra: cool05:31
almoxarifednivra: install 12.04, why fix the old one??? fix the new/last one from ubuntu05:33
dnivrabut 12.04 isn't out yet is it?05:33
dnivrait's still in beta right?05:33
almoxarifednivra: it is05:33
dnivraoh! okay. that's news. upgrade time then!05:34
almoxarifednivra: yea, beta, but you got issues with 11.10 that are as close to beta as it can get05:34
almoxarifednivra: and yes, I get lots of little crashes, nothing significant05:34
almoxarifelots is the wrong word, I get some05:35
dnivraso it's not officially released eh? then i better not recommend it to others.05:35
almoxarifednivra: its not official release, it's the wild wild west version, after this its just a tool05:37
* dnivra is having second thoughts now.05:42
dnivrai think i'll upgrade after I finish my bachelor project-it doesn't work, I'm sunk. i guess i'll try troubleshoot the issues.05:43
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phunyguyis there a way to use smb shares in amarok?05:48
phunyguybesides mounting the traditional way? (like gvfs/smb)05:49
phunyguyi can browse the share in dolphin, but how do i get that to carry over into amarok?05:49
dnivraphunyguy: maybe you could mount the samba share during boot time by adding an entry to /etc/fstab and ask amarok to watch the directory where you mount the samba share?05:53
phunyguydnivra: that was my question, a way to do it without the traditional fstab way05:53
phunyguylike in reg ubuntu, there is the ~/.gvfs folder05:54
phunyguywas wondering if there is something similar in kde05:54
phunyguythis is a laptop, and i want to access my main music library without copying it locally on the laptop05:55
phunyguymanage the collection, etc.05:55
dnivrajust clarifying-you wanted to know alternative way to gvfs/smb. by this you mean, you want to know if you can mount the share in a method other than "smb://<host>/path/to/share" right?05:56
dnivrabecause AFAIK smb://host/path/to/share isn't attached to any directory under /.05:57
phunyguyright, i am trying out kubuntu after bein a regular ubuntu user for a while, and I liked gvfs...05:57
phunyguyin regular ubuntu if you browse a samba share without actually mounting it, it shows up as a folder in ~/.gvfs05:57
dnivraah okay you want an alternative to gvfs :). no clues there-i know /etc/fstab can do it :)05:58
phunyguylike if you go to nautilus and in the location bar type smb://10.0.2.3/share, it puts "share on 0.0.2.3" in ~/.gvfs as a folder.05:58
phunyguysuuuch a dealbreaker... lol05:58
phunyguyI am not always at home, and when at work if the entry in fstab isnt accessible, it seems to lock my system.05:59
dnivraand I can't connect to any samba share I use right now so can't help out now either :/06:04
phunyguymaybe my library management needs a rethink06:06
dnivrawell well what do you know, purgin kde-window-manager fixed the problem with the window switcher and graphics effects06:13
dnivraah i see. i guess kde-window-manager-gles wasn't installed and so no effects, eyecandy etc.06:14
almoxarifeI can't find how to remove the lock-screen coming out of a suspend, any help?06:46
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redxiii have a intel hd 3000 gfx card and i get a black screen06:56
redxiinomodeset is horrible and other kernel parameters make things worse, like no usb or other devices06:56
bigbrovarHi guys06:58
almoxariferedxii: I assume your graphics drivers are current?06:58
redxiii installed and updated it06:58
redxiikubuntu 11.1006:58
bigbrovarsince upgrading to the latest kde 4.8.1 updated backported to kubuntu 11.10 using the backport ppa, I found that I have to manually start akonadi06:59
bigbrovarI don't know what the problem is. Is anyone also facing similar issues?06:59
redxiimy monitor turns off before kdm07:00
redxiiit's not blank but completely off07:00
almoxariferedxii: would you say your install is still virgin or have you dabbled in fixes?07:01
redxiivirgin07:01
almoxariferedxii: can you access the machine ?07:02
redxiiim on it07:02
almoxarifeso you have graphics07:02
redxiiif use nomodeset i can't use anything other than 1024x76807:02
redxiiif I use anyything like pci=noacpi or anything else, some functionality is lost07:03
redxiilike right now i don't have usb support07:03
almoxarifewant to try a few things? non aggressive07:03
almoxariferedxii: you need acpi07:03
almoxarifefirst, can you pastebin your xorg.0.log?07:04
almoxarifeI can show you the simple way to get it into pastebin07:04
redxiii can do it07:05
redxiiwell hold on07:06
redxiii should boot without using any 'fixes' so i can get a proper log07:06
almoxariferedxii: true07:06
redxiibrb07:06
redxiithe .old log wouldn't have it either so i have to do it again07:06
redxiihttp://pastebin.com/nJh01nUi07:11
redxiihttp://pastebin.com/7iFJ3c3X07:13
almoxariferedxii: you have both onboard and a card for graphics, yes?07:15
redxiino07:15
redxiionly the integrated one on the cpu07:15
redxiiIntel HD 300007:15
almoxariferedxii: ok, what type of monitor?07:16
redxiiit's a laptop07:16
almoxariferedxii: ok07:16
almoxariferedxii: which?07:16
redxiilshw output in the other pastebin url07:16
redxiii'm guessing it is trying to use a mode that isn't compatible with the monitor07:18
redxiilike a wrong refresh rate07:18
almoxariferedxii: would you like to update all your graphics to the current out on the street? I noticed my opengl issues went away once I did the same?07:22
redxiiok07:22
redxiiwell i tried seeing if there was an updated driver but got was '11.04/11.10 should work in intel hd graphics'07:23
almoxarifeI will give you a ppa and you need to add it, you must allow it to update all the graphics it sees fit, don't pick and choose07:23
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redxiiok07:26
almoxariferedxii: ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa                     https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa07:26
almoxariferedxii: you know how to add a ppa?07:27
redxiiyra07:27
redxiiyea07:27
almoxariferedxii: ok07:27
pvivekIn Kubuntu, i've somehow disabled the windows list showing in the bottom panel. In the sense if i open dolphin, chromium, i can't see their entries in panel using which i could minimize,maximize.07:27
pviveki would be very glad if someone can help me out07:27
almoxarifepvivek: you are missing the 'task-bar' widget07:28
pvivekalmoxarife: thank you, i'll add it now.07:29
almoxarifetask manager.................. waitttttttttttt07:29
almoxarifetoo late07:29
pvivekalmoxarife: thanks a lot, i fixed it07:30
almoxarifepvivek: I gave you the wrong name for the widget, its 'task manager'07:30
almoxarifepvivek: cool07:31
pvivekalmoxarife: i was able to figure out that much, i knew i was missing a widget, i thought it was windows list :P07:32
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, I have disabled the task-manager-widget. :)07:32
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: nice. I just feeling having it is comfortable, not to minimize or shift tabs which i can do using alt+tab, but i can be aware of all the open applications07:33
almoxarifepvivek: does dragging the mouse to the top left corner do anything on your machine?07:34
Graf_WesterholtPici, to me, it is more comfortable to us the „Present Windows“ that I have activated at the top of the deskotp.07:34
Graf_Westerholtpvivek07:35
pvivekalmoxarife: i haven't set anything for it, i can if i want to07:35
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, give it a try.07:35
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: sure, right now!07:36
almoxarifeGraf_Westerholt: thought of moving the whole bar to the top? I like mine on top for some reason, don't like to look down maybe07:36
Graf_Westerholtalmoxarife, I have the panel at the top, but no task-manager.07:36
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: Present windows is not a widget?07:37
almoxarifeGraf_Westerholt: I see, I like to see what's running at a glance07:37
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, of course it is not a widget.07:37
Graf_WesterholtYou have to set it in system settings, pvivek07:38
almoxarifepvivek: present windows and desktop are two good features, I couldn't live without them07:38
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, go to the „Workspace“ settings.07:39
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: okay07:39
Graf_Westerholtpvivek actually it is „screen edges“.07:40
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: you mean K>System Settings>Workspace Appearance?07:40
Graf_WesterholtNo, „Workspace Behaviour“.07:40
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: oops, dumb me, got it07:41
Graf_WesterholtPress ALT+F2 and type in „screen edges“. That is more fast.07:41
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: yup i set the left top screen edge to present windows, and said apply. but it ain't working07:42
Graf_WesterholtMove your pointer to the left top screen edge.07:43
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: yup i did that :P , no it ain't working.07:43
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: should my graphic drivers be installed for this action to take place?07:43
redxiino luck07:44
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, it should work out of the box.07:44
Graf_WesterholtDid you move your pointer as far as  you can to the edge?07:45
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: yes i did, i have used these settings in other comps, it doesn't seem to work. would it be disabled anywhere?07:45
redxiii bet if i recompile the kernel from vanilla sources it would work, because i had a similar problem on a really long time ago i had to compile a new kernel in Ubuntu to get video to work properly without parameters or settings changes, but i shouldn't have to do that07:45
redxiihow about that07:46
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, do you have desktops effects turned on?07:47
almoxariferedxii: notice any diff?07:47
redxiievery time i try to use ubuntu.. black screen, spending hours trying to fix it07:47
redxiino it still doesn't work07:47
almoxariferedxii: pastebin kern.log please07:47
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: yup my desktop effects is turned on. and the funny part is in screen edges, the other settings, switch desktop on edge is working properly07:50
Graf_WesterholtHow many windows do you have at the moment at your desktops?07:50
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: 4 desktops07:51
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: sorry sorry , you asked for windows right. I have 507:51
redxiitoo big for pasetbin07:51
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, it should work. :)07:52
redxiihttp://www.mediafire.com/file/ldkk6bjksk32lv5/kerlog07:53
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: i know it should , but it isn't :( and also i have one more problem. I have 4 virtual desktops. I have created shortcuts to navigate through them, and i have given the animation as slide. But it won't slide only07:53
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: in the sense, it'll just change suddenly, no sliding animation.07:53
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, maybe you need the driver from your manufacturer. With my system, it is working out of the box, with a NVidia-card.07:55
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: i also have NVidia-card, i think i haven't installed the drivers yet. Am searching for the driver i had saved in my system long ago :P07:55
Graf_WesterholtYou do not have to need to do that.07:56
Graf_WesterholtKubuntu can install them for you automatically.07:56
Graf_WesterholtType „driver“ into the klauncher.07:56
almoxariferedxii: noapic option, tried it?08:00
redxiino08:01
redxiiit might work but it may disable something else08:01
redxiithat's why i want to fix it without parameters08:01
almoxariferedxii: you have a parameter already, the 'virt=7'?08:02
redxiii dunno i don't see it in the logs but X is running on 708:03
almoxariferedxii: its in the kern.log08:04
redxiiu mean vt.handoff=708:04
almoxariferedxii: Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-12-generic root=UUID=97c6eaa2-4753-430a-97ea-26cec9c16cb6 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=708:04
redxiiyeah08:06
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, what are you doing?08:06
redxiii could try noapic but i think that's the one that disables power management.. from prior experience a long time ago08:06
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: i found my driver. I tried to run it getting this error. Trying to fix it. http://pastebin.com/2XNQVCnD08:07
Graf_Westerholtpvivek you should read what I write.08:07
almoxariferedxii: remove the 'quiet splash'08:07
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: oops, sorry. Got it.08:08
Graf_Westerholtpvivek …08:08
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: I am not able to find Klauncher. I mean its neither opening in alt+f2 nor in synapse08:09
Brentlyi need help. wanting to install kubuntu 12.04. but wanting to use older versions of network manager and plasma network widget that worked better... how do i do that?08:10
Graf_WesterholtBy pressing ALT+F2 klauner starts, pvivek.08:10
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: When i do that i can see run klauncher. When i click on it nothing happens :|08:11
Graf_WesterholtYou have to type!08:11
Graf_WesterholtYou do not know klauchner?08:11
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: unfortunately no :(08:12
Graf_WesterholtHow do you manage to run with KDE?08:13
Graf_WesterholtPress ALT+F2 and type „driver“ and hit enter.08:13
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: Sorry, didn't get you08:13
Brentlyisnt alt-f2 like the 'run' window in windoze?08:13
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: OMG! I am nuts, sorry sorry08:13
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: klauncher - alt+f2 (Didn't know the name of it)08:14
Graf_WesterholtBrently, no klauncher is much more then „run“ from windows.08:14
Graf_Westerholt!klauncher08:15
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: got it. Thanks a lot. Its downloading and installing now. Why was i doing things in the wrong way :( i learnt now.08:15
Brentlyso, how do i use the nice newest kubuntu 12.04 but replace some buggy packages with older ones that worked?08:15
Graf_Westerholtpvivek you did it wrong because you did not read anything about how to use KDE and Linux.08:16
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: yes, i haven't read. Will read it now :)08:16
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, with klauncher you can do a lot.08:16
Graf_Westerholtpvivek you can use klauncher as calculator.08:17
redxiino good it went by way too fast08:17
Brentlysay for instance, in 12.04 I want to use network manager and bluedevil from 11.04??08:17
Graf_WesterholtYou can use klauner to convert currencys or meter in inches.08:17
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: I have been using klauncher for many purposes, like execute commands, run applications, poweroff, reboot. Had forgotten the name.08:17
almoxariferedxii: what went by?08:17
pvivekeven calculator ya08:18
redxiithe terminal text08:18
Graf_Westerholtklauncher: „10°C in F“ try it :)08:18
almoxariferedxii: can you access the 'display' settings? which is set as the default?08:18
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: How did you give the circle on top of 1008:19
redxiiit just shows settings.. it's stuck at 1024x768 because of nomodeset08:20
Graf_WesterholtShift + 1, but I have the Neo2-Layout, pvivek.08:20
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, on QWERT is is left from the „1“.08:20
almoxariferedxii: you did not remove 'nomodset'?08:21
Brentlyin 11.04 I could pair my blackberru, and use it to tether over bluetooth and it worked great. seems to be broken in 12.04. must be a new kde 4.8 bug. four distros with the newest kde all have broken bluetooth and network managers.08:21
redxiimy monitor turns off without it08:21
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: Didn't get this point on QWERT is is left from the „1“.08:21
redxiii can't see anything08:21
Graf_Westerholtpvivek QWERT is the normal keyboard-layout.08:22
almoxariferedxii: off or into power save when idle for some time?08:22
redxiiit immediately turns off when kdm starts08:22
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, hit the key left from your „1“ with holding shift.08:22
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, did you get it?08:24
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: Sorry, i didn't get this part  „1“ . you mean shift+1+left. Sorry if the question seems too dumb08:24
Graf_WesterholtNo!08:24
Graf_WesterholtThe TAB-Key!08:25
Brentlyshift plus the key next to the 1  ~08:25
Graf_WesterholtThe TAB-KEY is locatet left from the „1“-Key!08:25
redxiii'm gonna try something else08:25
Graf_WesterholtBrently, it is not ~ at my keyboard. Seems there is another layout.08:26
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: you mean this symbol tilda "~"08:26
Graf_WesterholtNope.08:26
Graf_WesterholtYour layout seems to be different from mine.08:26
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: okay the key below ~ is Tab08:27
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, I cannot tell you because your keyboard-layout is different from mine.08:28
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: i'll try to figure it out. Thanks, probably i'll start using a different layout from now on. thanks08:28
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, what layout would you use?08:29
Brentlycan i install 11.10, mark some packages to be kept, and then do a dist-upgrade?08:30
Brentlyi just want 12.04 with working packages for some things from 11...08:30
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: I haven't tried out any other layout other than the default one, i'll try out and choose the one which i like08:31
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: one more doubt, In additional drivers i can see 4 options. http://pastebin.com/xMua0CBe. Should i activate all 4 or just the last one?08:31
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, you you know why there are different kinds of layouts?08:31
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, I believed you had already installed the driver.08:32
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: By the way you're asking, i feel different layouts are used when you're doing differnt kind of work, probably one layout is suitable for normal use, one for calculation and stuff08:32
Brentlykeyboards from different manufacturers and different areas of the world..08:32
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: i did, i did the first option, i was thinking before restarting should i do others too.08:33
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, of course you should use „recommended“.08:33
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: Ya got it.08:33
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, you cannot install different versions of the driver, of course.08:33
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: got it08:34
Satisfiedhey guys, just installed kubuntu for the first time but when trying to run firestarter (firewall) it spits up a message that this kernel doesn't support iptables...... is that normal for a kubuntu cd install?08:34
Brentlyhow do i install the latest kubuntu, and replace some packages with ones from an earlier release?08:35
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, and different layouts are for different keyboards. Of course in Germany we have keyboards with ä, ü and ö. You do not need that in other countries.08:36
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, it a silly idea to just use another layout!08:36
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: oh oh okay, i got it now.08:37
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, I use the Neo2-Layout which is for german. It is optimize for typing german.08:37
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: ya got that after you told me. Thanks a lot.08:37
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: Will restart comp and will be back in 2 mins08:38
Graf_Westerholtok08:38
Brentlyhow do i install the latest kubuntu, and replace some packages with ones from an earlier release?08:38
Graf_WesterholtBrently, I do not think that this is a good idea and I do not know if that is possible.08:40
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redxii_wel...08:41
redxii_how can i manually set the mode?08:41
pvivekGrap_Westerholt: WOAH!!! My desktop got new appearance now, thanks a lot. The effects are working :)08:41
Graf_Westerholtpvivek great!08:41
Brentlyfor example QT 4.8 has a bug. someone posts a patched version in their ppa. how do i replace the one installed with the patched one?08:42
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, what Kubuntu-Version are you using?08:42
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: 11.1008:42
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, ok08:43
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: Present windows is now working, and yeah its a lot comfortable and nice ui.08:43
Graf_WesterholtBrently, just wait, Kubutu will update automaticaly.08:43
Graf_Westerholtpvivek :)08:43
Brentlyso just wait for the bug fix to trickle down stream?08:44
Brentlyso far the network manager bluetooth tethering is broken. and items remain in the task bar after closing still08:45
Brentlywhen will 12.04 be finished and released?08:47
Graf_WesterholtBrently, in 4.2012, of course.08:48
pvivekBrently : 4 refers to 4th month of the year , april . 10 refers to October.08:49
Brentlyah08:49
Brentlyso i installed 11.10. and when i update the kde to 4.8 some things break like network manager. so how can i update to kde 4.8 but KEEP some packages older versions?08:51
Graf_WesterholtBrently, I told you I do not think that you can do that.08:51
Graf_WesterholtKDE 4.8 depends on packages for 4.8.08:52
Brentlyso i should quit trying to have the latest kde and just wait for the work to be finished08:52
Brentlywait until its included in the next official release...08:53
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: "how to use linux and kde" - google?08:53
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, why?08:53
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: No i am asking you, you pointed out that i was doing things wrongly because i didn't read it, where to find it?08:54
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, sure. But why that search string?08:54
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: Where else can i find it?08:55
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, you know how to use a search machine?08:55
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: Search machine == Search engine?08:56
Graf_WesterholtRight.08:56
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: well yeah i have basic knowledge08:56
Graf_WesterholtSo you know that normally you will only get results with exact that string.08:58
Graf_WesterholtThat means you will not get many results.08:58
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, if you want to know how to install the nvidia driver, I would search for 'kubuntu driver nvidia'09:02
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Graf_Westerholtpvivek of course without the '09:03
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: got it , i instead searched for nvidia drivers for linux :( i mean yes i've to optimize the way i search.09:03
Graf_Westerholtpvivek a search engine is no human who can understand a sentence.09:04
Graf_Westerholtpvivek Instead you should use only keywords.09:04
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: ya ya i know. got it09:04
Graf_Westerholtpvivek of course you can use other keywords like install09:04
Graf_Westerholtok09:05
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: But if you want to learn to use kde. You have to type something like this only right. How to use kde.09:05
Graf_WesterholtThere is a very good german wiki http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de09:05
redxiiwell thanks for your  help09:06
redxiiunless someone has any other ideas, i'm gonna say.. fuck linux09:06
redxiialso sometimes takes several reboots to get the wireless to work09:06
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: So this could be a right place to start off http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de09:07
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: So this could be a right place to start off http://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials09:07
Graf_Westerholtpvivek Yes, if you can understand german.09:07
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: *first one typed by mistake.09:07
Graf_Westerholtpvivek, I think that is a good idea.09:08
Graf_WesterholtI never read this website.09:08
Graf_WesterholtI never read a complete tutorial. I read the part I want to know.09:08
Graf_WesterholtOf course I searched through all settings of KDE to know where to find something.09:09
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: I feel That's the right way when you want to get things done. Otherwise there are so many things to learn, it would take a hell lot of time. Just my opinion09:09
Graf_WesterholtRight, you need a lot of time. But later you are faster because you know already.09:10
Brentlywhat kde version is in kubuntu 11.10?09:11
Graf_Westerholt4.709:11
pvivekGraf_Westerholt: Thanks a lot for all the help. I am very glad. I learnt a lot of stuff.09:11
Graf_Westerholtpvivek :)09:11
Brentlywill it eventually update to 4.8 in kubuntu 11.10?09:12
Graf_WesterholtBrently, I do not know.09:13
Brentlyhave you seen the bug where things stay stuck in the task bar after being closed?09:14
Graf_WesterholtNo, I have not.09:14
Brentlyopen several applications. close them all. and sometimes they will still be in the task bar even after closing. then clicking on the kicker menu clears them from the task bar.09:17
Graf_WesterholtI do not use the task-bar.09:17
Brentlyi like the icon-only task widget for the panel.09:18
Brentlyanyone here testing out kubuntu 12.04??09:20
redxiican anyone else help me09:24
redxiikdm causes the monitor to turn off (black screen) unless i use nomodeset09:29
redxiibut i am locked to 1024x768 if i use nomodeset09:29
redxiii need a true fix without using kernel parameters09:29
redxiipiece of shit os09:33
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pvivekGraf_Westerholt: I somehow have disabled the time and date which is displayed in the panel. I am not able to figure out how to fix it09:44
rorkpvivek: right click the panel (i.e. the toolbox at the right) > add widgets > digital clock09:48
pvivekrork: thanks a lot :)09:57
almoxarifeok, so now that everyone finds 'dnsmasq' the sexy answer to caching I was wondering where I am suppose to make the changes to dnsmasq.conf (does not exist)?10:07
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Tm_T&deop Tm_T11:46
nirald70hi newbie here have a simple problem in my kubuntu12:10
nirald70can anybody help me12:11
Peace-!someone | nirald7012:11
ubottunirald70: A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll.12:11
nirald70@ubottu tenks ok12:11
nirald70does kubuntu have a problem in a lenovo g475?12:12
Peace-nirald70: wtf what problem12:13
szalnirald70: rule #1: BE SPECIFIC, for pete's sake12:14
nirald70Peace - i install it in my laptop but on the first tym it restart all i got is just a freeze of my system12:14
nirald70ok szal12:14
nirald70my problem is that i've install it as a dual boot to my windows7, but after i restart all i got is hang/freeze on my system nothing happens12:16
Peace-nirald70: choose the kernel recovery12:16
Peace-it will try to boot without graphics stuff12:17
Peace-see if it says something12:17
Peace-take a picture or paste a log12:17
nirald70ok will do that and will be back here.... another is that before i install kubuntu is that ive install other linux distros too, and have the same problem it just hangg/freeze after restarted12:18
Peace-nirald70: it's a kernel problem12:20
Peace-nirald70: your hardware is not recognized well12:20
nirald70so it means that linux have a problem in a dual core amd?12:21
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Peace-nirald70: i guess it's not the dual core12:22
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nirald70because in my old amd laptop any linux distros is working great12:23
nirald70so what it is?12:23
Peace-nirald70: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11330488&posted=1#post11330488:grin:12:23
almoxarifeanyone else caught in the dnsmasq dilemma? can't configure it anymore in 12.04? if you have any info I would appreciate it12:23
Peace-!pangolin12:24
ubottuUbuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) will be the sixteenth release of Ubuntu. Codename announcement here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/784 | Discussion and support in #ubuntu+112:24
Peace-!pangolin| almoxarife12:24
ubottualmoxarife: please see above12:24
almoxarifePeace-: I am not using pang.... , I am using 'precise'12:25
Peace-12.04 it's not supported it's beta12:25
almoxarifePeace-: I am not looking for help with the app, I am wondering if anyone else has seen the issue, and I got it, yes its 12.0412:26
Peace-almoxarife: so ask on #ubuntu+112:27
tsimpsonthey have (now)12:28
almoxarifePeace-: I did, graci12:29
Peace-yw12:30
BluesKajHowdy all12:35
phoenix_firebrdkmix crashes after changing the number of channel13:20
awakeuseless chan, useless distro13:22
awakephoenix_firebrd, all things crashes in kubuntu13:22
Peace-awake: you are useless13:22
phoenix_firebrdawake: sorry, i want to differ13:22
awakePeace-, maybe13:23
Peace-phoenix_firebrd: tried veromix?13:23
Peace-phoenix_firebrd: btw run kmix on konsole13:23
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: that created a bigger problem13:23
Peace-and see wht it says13:23
awakebest solution: format and install ubuntu :)13:23
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: after uninstalling it, amarok's volume control doesnt work13:23
Peace-awake: ok please dont' spam here13:23
awakeoh, sorry13:24
Peace-awake: and btw kubuntu here works fine13:24
awakethat's not spam13:24
Peace-yes it is13:24
awakethat's reality :)13:24
Peace-awake: for you13:24
awakeyes, for me an Canonical13:24
bazhangawake, do you have a kubuntu support question13:25
Peace-awake: of course...13:25
awakeops, sorry13:25
bazhangawake, do you have a kubuntu support question13:25
awakeoh, not right now13:25
bazhangawake, this is NOT the channel for chit chat or rants13:26
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: i uninstalled and deleted even the config files of veromix, is there any other thing i can try?13:26
Peace-phoenix_firebrd: well you can use alsamixer -V all on konsole13:26
awakebazhang, okay13:26
awakecopy that.13:26
Peace-phoenix_firebrd: but if your run kmix on konsole you can see why it's crashing13:27
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: what does that V for13:27
Peace-visibile all13:27
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: ok then what?13:28
awakeanyway, I used kubuntu for months13:28
Peace-phoenix_firebrd: set the volume13:28
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: No, why does kmix crash?13:28
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: i tried the strace, i cant get anything13:29
Peace-phoenix_firebrd: i dunno untill you run it on konsole and get the crash13:29
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: you mean should start kmix from console?13:29
Peace-awake: kubuntu is rock solid here.13:29
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: +113:29
awakePeace-, i'm so happy for you13:30
Peace-phoenix_firebrd: yes13:30
awakebut my experience whit kubuntu was bad as hell13:30
Peace-awake: so comes here and say install ubuntu because kubuntu suck it's not a mature approach13:30
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: he he, if i had got the error message i could have tried to troubleshoot myself, but nothing13:30
Peace-awake: ok post your problem\ crash and do report13:30
Peace-!gdm13:31
awakePeace-, I've done it13:31
awakemonths ago13:31
Peace-ok link me the report13:32
Peace-i would like see it13:32
awakenoone cared about13:32
awakebah, now is too late13:32
Peace-link me if you have done13:32
Peace-i guess you have not done and i guess you are not a canical guy13:32
Peace-that it's what i think13:32
awakesure that i'm not a canonical guy13:33
Peace-so or you write to solve your problem13:33
Peace-or just exit13:33
Peace-and get a life13:33
awakeoh, I have a wanderful life13:33
awake:)13:33
tsimpsonplease try to stay on topic13:33
awake*O13:34
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awakeookay, so, enjoy your crashes13:35
awakesee you later13:35
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: i got the crash report , do you want to see?13:36
Peace-phoenix_firebrd: you should report but if you want see me13:36
Peace-i will13:36
Peace-*you want to show me13:36
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: ya, you could also check if the crash report is complete. here it is http://paste.kde.org/437318/13:38
phoenix_firebrdPeace-:  also i am using 64bit OS13:38
Peace-phoenix_firebrd: reading13:39
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: take your own time, i will wait13:40
BluesKajphoenix_firebrd,  does alsamixer open inside the terminal ?13:40
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phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj:ya, without any problem13:41
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: the problem is only that kmix crashes when i change the channel example from stereo to 5.113:41
BluesKajok, then alsa is ok ...could be a kde problem13:41
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: it should be only the kmix, i am sure about that13:41
BluesKajphoenix_firebrd,  analog or digital ?13:42
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: analog13:42
BluesKaj5.1 that is13:42
BluesKajok13:42
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: ya13:42
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: creative soundblaster13:42
BluesKajwhat abou the sound , does it crash ?13:43
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: pulseaudio is rock solid13:43
BluesKajok , good13:43
Peace-phoenix_firebrd: just to test removing pulseaduio you get the crash?13:43
BluesKajthen it's probly kde graphics thing13:44
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: removing pulseaudio? i dont understand13:44
Peace-phoenix_firebrd: apt-get remove pulseaudio13:44
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: ya maybe13:44
BluesKajPeace-, doubt if it's a pulse problem13:45
Peace-BluesKaj: #19 0x00007f6036e68c1d in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpulse.so.013:45
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: i get something in the konsole shall i paste?13:45
Peace-phoenix_firebrd: that removes pulse from your system13:45
Peace-you can reinstall then13:45
Peace-if you need it13:45
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: but veromix worked fine13:46
Peace-phoenix_firebrd: if veromix works fine just use it then...13:46
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phoenix_firebrdPeace-:  for some reason i uninstalled it, wait13:47
kpanicbla13:47
kpanicwho watching the foot13:47
BluesKajPeace-,  #30 0x00007f6038a71cc2 in kdemain () from /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_kmix.so13:47
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: check this out, you too BluesKaj http://paste.kde.org/437324/13:48
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: shall i purge and reinstall kmix?13:49
Peace-phoenix_firebrd: but if veromix works why you have to do this?13:49
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: i like the default kmix13:50
Peace-phoenix_firebrd: i guess it's better do a crash report13:51
Peace-phoenix_firebrd: or ask on #kde13:51
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: should i install the debugging symbols and produce a crash report again or  this is fine?13:52
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: amarok volume problem is gone, now works fine13:52
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: omg, kmix is pulling the entire desktop13:53
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BluesKajphoenix_firebrd,  , no need to remove kmix , just hide it in the system tray . It's basically just a gui for alsa , anyway.13:58
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: ya13:58
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: where does the config file of kmix exists?13:59
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: what are those files in home/.pulse/?14:00
BluesKajphoenix_firebrd,   ~/.kde/share/config/kmixrc, but I wouldn't fool with it if i were you14:02
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: i will backup and try14:02
BluesKajphoenix_firebrd,  it's really not necessary , if the music plays , why worry about a gui crash that wiil eventually be fixed anyway14:04
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: i like to if it is a local error or a global one14:05
BluesKajif it was global your music woyuldn't play14:05
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: i mean if the problem exists for others14:07
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: got some erros14:08
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: http://paste.kde.org/437330/14:09
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: http://paste.kde.org/437330/14:09
BluesKajwell, getting all tied up in knots over a gui crash is not my idea of a big problem...anyway i have to go do some errands ..BBL14:11
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: thank you14:11
phoenix_firebrdPeace-: thank you14:12
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bmoez_how to use kde without OpenGL and XRender ( in 2D)?14:46
bmoez_in kde configuration system or by commande line?14:47
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tsimpsonas far as I know, just uncheck the "Enable desktop effects at start-up" box in System Settings -> Desktop Effects14:48
bmoez_that will not stop using of 3D14:49
bmoez_just some effects14:49
tsimpsonthen uncheck the other boxes14:50
brian_Hello. Does this work?14:54
BluesKajbrian_,  yes , does what work ?14:56
brian_This program (like Xchat). I guess it does. I've just installed Kubuntu 64 bit. I have sound with Skype and the usual alarms but Amarok, VLC, Clementine do not play mp3s and/nor video files.14:57
BluesKajbrian_,  install kubuntu-restricted-extras14:58
brian_I've done that and Medibuntu too14:59
BluesKajhave you relogged in14:59
BluesKaj?14:59
brian_relogged?14:59
brian_Rebooted?14:59
bmoez_like i said that will not to stop using openGl or XRender15:00
BluesKajn o ,just logout and back in15:00
brian_Ok, I've rebooted a few times since installed15:00
BluesKajvlc needs a little bit of configuring under tools ,and amarok configure as well , altho i don't use amarok much15:01
wabsMorning everyone15:02
BluesKajvlc>tools>preference>audio , brian_15:02
brian_I don't know Amarok but it's in this system. I do like Clementine however. But in Ubuntu, on the same machine, I've never had this problem.15:02
locsmifHow can I open more than one file in Kate?15:03
locsmifEach time I open a file, it replaces the previous15:03
brian_locsmif, if you press CTRL+F, do you get another tab?15:04
brian_Sorry, +T15:04
brian_not +F (search)15:05
locsmifbrian_: hmm nope15:06
brian_Ok, sorry.15:07
locsmifI can keep starting kate instances from ALT-F2, but when opening from Dolphin the current file edited by Kate is closed and the new file is laded15:07
locsmifloaded*15:07
locsmifbrian_: np, thanks for the tip :)15:07
brian_When I use Dolfin I hit CTRL + T and get another tab15:07
brian_Maybe you have to get the tab before15:08
locsmifbrian_: ah wait, no, Kate apparently works with the files currently open listed in the sidebar15:09
brian_ah, Kate is like Gedit in Ubuntu. Sorry, I was confused15:09
locsmifA bit unintuitive but if you click "Documents" you get the list15:09
brian_The only time I use KDE is in PCLOS. This is the first time I've been able to get a Kubuntu install to connect to the web. So far, with exception to my sound issue, I am quite impressed with Kubuntu.15:11
tuv0kdoes anyone using 4.8 have rt-click nfs filesharing available to them via kdenetwork-filesharing package?15:11
locsmifbrian_: good stuff15:12
locsmifbrian_: no driver for your sound card?15:12
brian_I have a driver cause I can use skype, I have my logind and alarms, but I cannot play any media files15:13
brian_neither mp3s nor video files15:13
locsmifbrian_: try mplayer15:13
brian_hey, good idea15:14
locsmifShould have its own libs15:14
locsmifSo no deps15:14
brian_vlc didn't work. That's a first15:14
locsmifmplayer might fail more verbosely15:15
locsmifheh15:15
brian_I like Kubuntu so far but I noticed it has a lot of demands on my graphics15:15
locsmifI wonder if you've got problems because of Skype rather than despite of it15:16
brian_Tomorrow I'm starting to build a new rig and I'm sparing no expense. I've been waiting 2 years for this. So Kubuntu should run very nicely15:16
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brian_strangely, skype was not included in the muon list. I installed it through apt-get15:17
brian_After installing it worked well. Then skype stopped working. I rebooted and it was fine again15:17
brian_brb15:18
brian_locsmif, after installing mplayer, vlc, dragon, audactiy, clementine, and amarok all work. :D. Ironically, Mplayer doesn't show up in my menu.15:20
BluesKajbrian_,  type alsamixer in the terminal and check the audio chip , that will give us a clue about the audio driver15:22
BluesKajmplayer is a cli app unless you use the gui version smplayer or the other, of  which I've forgotten the name15:23
brian_BluesKaj, Kubuntu is very buggy and jittery on this rig. I've got everything working so far now. I'm just testing it a little to see if I'll use it on my new rig. But I'm surprised it is so buggy and jittery. The other OSs I use on this rig run fine.15:28
brian_So far I like the layout and the eyecandy. On a better rig it should be nice to run.15:29
locsmifbrian_: it might have something to with the fact that mplayer installs libdvdcss2 etc.15:30
brian_I already installed that through Medibuntu15:31
locsmifHmmm15:31
brian_But there could have been some sort of dependency thats in the mplayer package I guess15:31
BluesKajbrian_,  I have a relatively old pc here 4yrs , and I'm running 12.04 with kde 4.8.1 ...had only one minor gui crash in the last week , so maybe a kde upgrade is inb order for your setup  , sudo apt-get  dist-upgrade if you're feeling slight adventurous15:32
locsmifbrian_: maybe libavutil or whatever, who knows15:33
locsmifsometimes you need a little luck15:33
BluesKajanyway ...jamtime here ...gotta run .. have a good one15:33
brian_Ok, thanks BluesKaj15:34
locsmifThe interwoven mesh of multimedia crap in Linux Distros usually has me banging my head on my desk15:34
brian_lol15:35
brian_How do I determine the version I have installed?15:35
brian_I just took BlueKaj's advice but it seems I'm already there15:36
locsmifsee /etc/issue15:36
locsmifand /etc/lsb-release15:37
locsmifas well as /etc/debian_version15:37
brian_Hmmm, I don't have those folders15:38
locsmifIt's quite unlikely you don't have them, but they're files, not folders15:39
brian_wheezy/sid15:40
brian_make sense?15:40
locsmifbrian_: I'm the author of "infobash", see http://www.aptosid.com/debian/pool/main/i/infobash/15:40
locsmifbrian_: yep15:40
brian_Ok, sorry, but I don't have a clue as to what that is15:42
brian_think 'noob' :D15:42
locsmifbrian_: I run kubuntu these days, infobash runs in every irc client, on the shell, and detects your hardware, distro and displays it15:42
locsmifMaybe you'll want to use it for yourself or your friends at some point, just a tip15:42
brian_How do I use it?15:43
locsmifbrian_: it's officially distributed with the Aptosid distro (Formerly Sidux), and if you want you can simply wget http://www.aptosid.com/debian/pool/main/i/infobash/infobash_3.45_all.deb and then do sudo dpkg -i infobash_3.45_all.deb15:44
brian_I see15:44
locsmifIt has a man page, too, so... but as dumping your system info in this channel would be verboten, I'd run infobash as a normal user in the shell15:44
locsmifThere are some forks too, with more features, like Harald Hope's "inxi" http://code.google.com/p/inxi/15:46
brian_btw, does 'wheezy' indicate my distro version?15:47
locsmifSince Ubuntu is closely tied to Debian, it also has a Debian release name15:48
locsmifhttp://www.debian.org/releases/testing/15:48
locsmif"Debian “wheezy” Release Information"15:48
georgelappieshi all, where would one turn of the popup showing when the mouse pointer is somewhere on a web page in firefox. the popup shows the name of the site but it is very distracting15:48
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brian_locsmif, thanks for all your input. I have just another question before I go. Between KDE and Gnome there are a set of programs I like. As for the GUI I like KDE. Is it safe to install Kubuntu and before updating simply remove the KDE programs I don't like, then update, then install the Gnome programs I like, and finally another update?15:52
brian_For example, I'd rather have Clementine than Amarok, VLC and Smplayer than Dragon, Empathy than Kapote, etc15:54
locsmifbrian_: then depends if removing some KDE programs you don't like also involves removing libraries KDE needs15:54
locsmifs/then/that/15:54
locsmifOtherwise, you should be fine15:54
brian_I suspect this might be why the current install has been buggy15:54
locsmifapt-get get, aptitude, etc. will probably inform you what might break15:54
Peace-brian_: via terminal you can do  what you want15:54
brian_and I'd much rather have synaptic than muon15:55
locsmifs/apt-get get/apt-get/15:55
Peace-brian_: sudo apt-get remove rekonq dragonplayer ; sudo apt-get install firefox vlc15:55
Peace-brian_: sudo apt-get remove rekonq dragonplayer ; sudo apt-get install firefox vlc ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade15:55
locsmifbrian_: Gnome's GTK libraries are present already anyway15:55
brian_Peace, will the OS sort out the dependencies automatically?15:55
Peace-brian_: apt does what you want15:56
Peace-autoamtically15:56
brian_OK, so it is safe then. Cool15:56
locsmifbrian_: well, you do have to say 'yes' to some things sometimes, be mindful of what you say 'yes' to is all..15:56
Peace-the secondo line i have written just remove rekonq browser and dragon player  install firefox and vlc and afte that upgrade the system with the latest stuff15:56
brian_I wasn't sure cause in the past I wanted to do a dual install (Kubu & Ubu) and share a /home partition. I was told I couldn't so I thought for the same reason I might cause problems by mixing up the programs within the distros15:57
locsmifif you remove a package which has a reverse depend on some library on which another key KDE element depends, apt-get will attempt to remove all of it, and warn you beforehand15:57
brian_locsmif, I hear you. I know it's not a perfect world. :D15:57
Peace-brian_: you can do that15:57
Peace-brian_: i have exatcly that configuration15:57
locsmifbrian_: :)15:57
brian_Really?15:58
Peace-brian_: yes i have user1 and user215:58
Peace-just to be sure15:58
Peace-but you can use only one user15:58
brian_That would be awesome. I'd love to have various OSs sharing a home partition15:58
Peace-brian_:  i have opensuse and kubuntu15:58
Peace-sharing hte same home15:59
brian_It would suit my mood swings, lol15:59
tsimpsonyou don't need to dual-boot for Kubunt + Ubuntu (though I can see why you'd want to)15:59
brian_I tried with PCLOS and Ubuntu but it didn't work15:59
Peace-btwi use kubuntu because opensuse has not apt15:59
brian_tsimpson, I don't like bloated menus16:00
Peace-infact the problem is the menu16:00
Peace-brian_: btw kubunt can be set like unity16:00
brian_I find PCLOS 64 runs really smoothly, but I also like Ubuntu for certain workflows16:00
brian_I'm still getting used to Unity. Slowly but surely16:01
Peace-brian_: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/11/plasma-desktopnS1838.png16:01
brian_Peace, I like the bar16:02
Peace-brian_: you can get it in no time16:03
Peace-brian_: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/11/plasma-desktopgJ1838.png16:03
Peace-brian_: search plasma panel collection16:03
locsmifPeace-: sexy desktop16:03
Peace-brian_: => http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Plasma+Panels+Collection+?content=14758916:05
brian_I'm going to look into that later this week when I build my new rig16:05
brian_brb16:05
Peace-locsmif: :) it's mine16:05
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locsmifPeace-: I figured as much; I like the bar below and the relegation of the tray to the top16:10
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Peace-locsmif: well that is nowardev layout16:10
Peace-locsmif: that is my personal stuff16:10
locsmifIf you can get a Linux box to look like a Mac, I'm sold16:11
brian_I wish I could devote more time to learning about this16:11
Peace-locsmif: of course you can16:11
locsmifPeace-: yours is pretty close16:12
Peace-locsmif: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/05/08/kde-kubuntu-mac-style/16:12
stanley_robertsohi all16:13
brian_I'm an Instructional Design Manager in an education group and I'm the Education Manager in the education group's flagship center. Our clients study via CALL (Computer Based Language Learning) and so we have thousands of computers. I've often dreamt of using a linux based system with a custom GUI.16:13
locsmifPeace-: ty :)16:13
locsmifbrian_: lots is possible, I used to co-develop for Sidux, and one of the other developers had a managerial position in winery in Australia, and they all used LiveCD based desktops, and they didn't have much breakage for those boxes, as expected16:14
brian_I want a GUI to be so simplified that the client can simply click on plasma icons and nothing more16:14
brian_I'd like to see workstations running off one pc16:15
brian_We could reduce our equipment costs, energy costs, and heat production16:15
locsmifbrian_: well, you'd need network booting16:16
locsmifLinux terminal server16:16
brian_I've played a little with LiveCds and use system remaster to create custom distros, starting with 'mini' versions.16:16
brian_Yes, a Linux Terminal Server. Thanks, I was missing the vocab16:17
brian_I played a little with Puppy. Incredibly fast, but bloated menus16:17
brian_I need to combine something like Puppy with a GUI like Peace's16:18
brian_I imagine a terminal server with 2 HDDs. One runs the system while the other is synchonistically backed up. In case of a system failure ti would take only minutes to switch HDDs and have the system up and running16:20
brian_But alas, I live in China and the Chinese very rarely touch anything other than Windows stuff16:21
brian_So finding someone who can do something as simple as install Linux, is difficult at best. All our IT guys have blank stares when you mention Linux.16:22
brian_My team runs Linux but I am the only one who maintains our systems16:22
elkngbrian_: do they buy Windows they use ?16:24
brian_Lol, it is almost impossible to buy Windows here16:24
elkngbrian_: did you say them Linux is free ?16:25
brian_I tell them it's free, but they still think Linux today is what Unix was 20 years ago16:25
brian_They are shocked when I tell them Mac is Linux, just made expensive.16:25
elkngMac is FreeBSD16:26
brian_That would totally confuse them. It's still a unix foundation, isn't it?16:26
elkng"Mac is Linux", thats why they are shocked16:26
brian_Both FreeBSD and Linux share the same unix roots, don't they?16:27
brian_I might be wrong, but that's what I thought16:28
DarthFrogSame?  No.  Linux is more SysV than BSD.16:28
elkngthere are free games for linux also16:28
DarthFrogFreeBSD/Darwin is obviously BSD, not SysV.16:28
brian_Ok, that's much deeper than I'm familiar with.16:29
DarthFrogBut both are Unix-type systems.16:29
brian_As for games, I found I could make the games typically played on Windows run much much faster on WINE. I found the trick was to use the DSL files from a Windows install.16:31
brian_Without the dsl files, I couldn't even get the game to run16:31
brian_BTW, a trick I found that works well with the Chinese is to install a Linux distro and then use a Windows looking theme. It takes them a little time to figure out something is not the same. :D16:33
brian_Peace, are there any special tricks  need to know to make 2 OSs share the same home folder (partition)?16:35
henkka_onko täällä ketään suomesta?16:36
DarthFrogbrian_: Not really.  Make sure you don't format the partition when installing the second OS. :-)16:36
DarthFrog!fi |henkka16:37
ubottuhenkka: Tämä kanava on tarkoitettu vain englanninkieliselle keskustelulle. Jos haluat suomenkielistä apua (K)ubuntun ongelmiin, liity kanavalle #ubuntu-fi / #kubuntu-fi :-)16:37
brian_How much space do I need for the root partition. I've been using 15Gb16:37
DarthFrogWhat's the machine going to be used for?16:37
henkka_ya16:37
henkka_thanks16:37
brian_Graphics and a/v editing16:37
cancerhow to install Nvidia drivers on kubuntu (first time install).16:38
DarthFrogbrian_: Hmm, might be a bit small if the graphics & A/V files are large, as they might use all the space in /tmp.16:39
brian_gimp, inkscape, scribus, Libreoffice, audactiy, avidemux, openshot, pitivi, wings3d, blender, winff, etc16:39
DarthFrog!nvidia | cancer16:39
ubottucancer: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto16:39
brian_I see. I always install /home as a different partition. I thought that would make up for the smaller space. I hadn't considered a temp folder16:40
brian_My HDD is a 64Gb SSD16:40
DarthFrogYou can always make /tmp its own partition. :-)  There are advantages to that, too.  It can then be mounted nodev,nosuid & noexec for security.16:40
DarthFrogHaving a separate partition for /home is a good idea, I do it myself.  For one thing, it makes re-installing the system much easier.16:42
DarthFrogbrian_: Do you know how large the graphics & A/V files are?  I think you'll be needing a couple of times larger space in /tmp to manipulate them.  Can you check on a current system to see how much /tmp space is being used?  And you'll need lots of RAM, of course, otherwise you'll grow a beard waiting for everything to swap in and out.16:44
tsimpson/tmp is cleared on boot anyway, so it's perfectly fine to leave it on / partition16:46
DarthFrogtsimpson: On boot, yes.  But on a server, it's also a way to compromise the system from a poorly written web app.  Thus the noexec, nosuid,nodev mount options.16:47
DarthFrogDAMHIKT. :-)16:47
tsimpsonyou can say the same about lots of places16:47
brian_On my new system I'll have a 120 Gb SSD HDD. The largest files I work with are about 6Gb but that's quite rare.My other HDD(slave) I use for storage is 2Tb. I'm also going to have 16Gb ram. This stuff is due to arrive tomorrow.16:47
tsimpsonespecially in /var for example16:47
brian_The Mobo I ordered is USB316:49
brian_What I can get in China is pretty limited. If I lived in the states I could get higher-end stuff16:50
brian_Thanks for all the input and info. It's almost 1am here and I have an early start tomorrow.16:52
juacom99Hi, one question: i use WIcd network manager, and i can get it to detect when a network reconnect17:35
juacom99any sugessions?17:36
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locsmifjuacom99: not my bailiwick but your question is probably too vague to be of much use to people wanting to assist you with this17:40
juacom99ok i'll try to explain17:40
juacom99i use WICD to manage my network connections, and from time to time my router stop working and i got to resetit, when the router restart the the network don't autoconnect again and i got to manualy connect it again, i was wondering if there is any way to solve that17:42
locsmifah17:42
juacom99better?? :P17:43
locsmifjuacom99: there is a #wicd channel too17:43
juacom99ok i didn't know that, here in freenode?17:43
juacom99locsmif: i'll ask there thanks17:44
locsmifjuacom99: http://wicd.sourceforge.net/preferences.png17:46
locsmifThere seems to be an option to "automatically reconnect on connection loss"17:46
juacom99locsmif: where?? :|17:47
juacom99found it17:47
juacom99i had it selected fron the begeaning17:48
locsmifjuacom99: see the screenshot17:48
locsmifmaybe it gives up reconnecting after a timeout17:49
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phunyguymy wireless keeps dropping to 1mbit after a few minutes on 12.04. any ideas? A reconnect fixes it temporarily, and its not my router as it does it at work also.17:49
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juacom99locsmif: let me try something17:50
juacom99locsmif: done i didn't got a default connection selected17:51
juacom99thanks17:51
locsmifcool17:55
locsmifnp17:55
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netco0m:D18:59
cjaeYour default Bluetooth adapter is not visible for remote devices21:17
cjaekeeps going back to hidden in kde control module21:18
* rob____ is new here.21:19
voltyHi, I'm with Kubuntu 11.10,  kde-4.7.4, 686 platform, krename-4.0.7-1 known to segfault, why there isn't an update? And  can / how I overcome this?21:22
voltyit was fixed with krename-4.0.7-221:23
cjaehttp://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6723303.html where do I find the configuration file they talk about here?21:26
szalcjae: (1) where exactly? (2) remember that Gentoo is not *buntu..21:30
cjaeszal: hci_setup_event_mask(hdev);21:31
phunyguyargh!!!! this is really frustrating.  My wifi keeps slowing to a crawl.21:31
szalcjae: that's not a configuration file, that's the kernel source code21:33
cjaeoh i see21:33
cjaeso recompile21:33
cjaeThis is actually my exact issue   http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?50993-cannot-save-bluetooth-settings21:34
cjaebrb21:37
cjaeok so I figured out that I have a troublesome BT keyboard dongle unplugged it so that only broadcom BT dongle present and now BT will not even turn on21:49
cjaeBus 007 Device 002: ID 0a5c:2101 Broadcom Corp. Bluetooth Controller21:50
cjaeok now all of a suffen BT turned on and is working :/21:53
cjaeok so I can only send files to my phone via the bluetooth manager? I cant browse it?22:23
cjaebluedevil kde 4.722:25
phunyguyis KDE partition manager not designed to be used on SD cards? Only my local HDD shows up in there.23:02
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new2netIf a file's owner:group are new2net:somethingElse, do I have the authority as the owner the change the group to new2net also using chown?23:49

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