=== yofel_ is now known as yofel [00:50] Sup kubuntu'ers? [00:52] yoyo juzz chillin [00:54] i just installed kubuntu and ran the updater, it is hung at "Preparing to configure plasma-dataengines-workspace' [00:55] all the applications are gone in the launcher and made a shortcut to firefox on the desktop beforehand [00:55] can't close it or log off [00:56] does alt+2 work? [00:56] or ctrl+alt+f2? [00:57] i have had a couple updates hang for some reason as well. [00:57] yeah [00:58] i got past hung updates by killing the process deleteing lock files and redoing it with apt in a console [00:59] http://askubuntu.com/questions/89401/first-update-after-fresk-kubuntu-install-hangs-because-of-dpkg-now-what [00:59] where is the lock file located [01:00] i forgot try to run apt-get dist-upgrade and tell me the error and i can google it for you if you want [01:01] /var/cache/apt/archives/lock ? [01:02] nope thats not it [01:02] /var/lib/dpkg/lock [01:07] Package/Software Issue! I can't install any packages or remove, or anything.. I get this error no matter what command I run. And, I also can't use Muon because it errors out... How can I clear this error? [01:07] E: The package virtualbox-4.1 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. [01:09] http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads [01:09] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1841672 [01:09] basically says grab the .deb and install it yourself [01:10] That's not the problem [01:10] I have virtualbox installed [01:10] I can't install anything else [01:10] pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ? [01:11] what commands do i run to install the updates again [01:12] http://pastebin.com/t0B4pmLN [01:14] got it [01:14] there was another lock file [01:14] cool! [01:15] yea i wasnt sure if you had to delete both or what. dont really remember that well. [01:15] i ran sudo apt-get update and install -f [01:16] well, dpkg --configure -a before that.. [01:16] yea sounds familiar, im sure i'll have to google it again when it comes up. suppose i could right it down somewhere. [01:17] oh well alls well.. 4.8.1 is nice! [01:17] muon won't run anymore, crashes [01:17] still 53 packages to upgrade that's probably why [01:18] ok there it goes [01:20] everything's still fucked up [01:21] !language [01:21] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [01:24] did you use muon again? [01:24] getting this now http://pastebin.com/sjvFuyH3 [01:24] after i cleaned it up i just used apt in a console to do my updates and it went fine for me. [01:25] sorry man... do it with apt. [01:25] i turned my laptop off forcibly [01:26] so i didn't see anything you typed in the last few minutes [01:26] im having a problem with muon where i have to alt2 kdesudo to get it to work [01:26] on another install it works fine [01:26] stop trying to update with moun, use apt. hopefully they are working on it as muon seems a bit buggy to me. [01:27] no kidding [01:27] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/855793 [01:27] Launchpad bug 840306 in qapt (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #855793 Muon hangs when using etckeeper" [High,Fix released] [01:27] that was me too a t [01:28] i was using beta 1 and i didnt want to download another iso [01:28] started ignoring muon and used apt and it went away. [01:28] brb === james is now known as Guest55101 === paulo_ is now known as MasterOfPuppets [02:12] last plug for the day [02:13] #kde-usa was created yesterday to help organize the american kde community, i hope to see some of you there === JMichaelX is now known as Sh0rtW4v3 === Darkwing is now known as DWonderly === gaurav_ is now known as Guest71289 === root is now known as destroyer-cl === dnivra_ is now known as dnivra === root is now known as Guest16813 [04:22] hello. I recently downgraded from kubuntu-backports and now graphic effects, window switcher and login screen are messed up-looks like neither from backports, nor from 11.10 official repo. i remember that KDE didn't get upgraded automatically when installing backports. is there a similar issue when downgrading? === savita is now known as tssvt [04:33] who used to use dnsmasq who knows how to make the changes needed to 12.04 to get dnsmasq running as previous? [04:33] I like the idea of builtin dnsmasq, I just want my old config back [04:42] dnivra: i'm sorry i can't help [04:42] don't want you to think you are being ignored [04:42] almoxarife: i never used dnsmasq [04:43] ybit: good util [04:43] i've never messed with dns configuratin [04:43] plus an "o" in that last word [04:43] ybit: its not really dns as much as caching [04:43] caching of? [04:44] i'm not informed when it comes to networking [04:44] ybit: it remembers x ip's of www's you go to, so the process is sped up [04:45] aha [04:45] didn't open dns do something like this [04:45] ybit: that's quite alright. i've asked this question yesterday but yet to get an answer. i fixed the hideous login screen by changing the theme. but the window switcher and the graphics effects are still the same :( [04:46] i'll check again in a while-maybe someone would have answered meanwhile. [04:46] thanks ybit :). [04:46] dnivra: you might have better luck with the mailing list [04:46] or bugs.kde.org [04:46] ybit: open dns is a server somewhere in the internet, dnsmasq is your local cache, local will always be faster than a trip to a server and back [04:46] er.. whatever kubuntu uses [04:47] launchpad or something [04:47] dnivra: what was your question? [04:49] almoxarife: I recently downgraded from kubuntu-backports and now graphic effects, window switcher and menu bar of windows are missing. i'm running kubuntu 11.10 [04:49] i'm just going to try something. be back in a bit. [04:51] okay that didn't work. almoxarife i fixed my login screen by changing theme. but I can't enable graphic effects, see the windows I'm switching to in the window switcher and the menu bar of dolphin is missing. [04:51] dnivra: those backport updates you installed are now gone, meanwhile your confs are all depending on the updates, why did you revert? [04:52] dnivra: the menu bar of dolphin is a dolphin configuration [04:52] two reasons-one the screen kept going blank when idle for short periods and two the userlist in quassel wasn't being displayed. [04:53] i asked about issue one here and well the most obvious solution didn't work-i found that all relevant settings were disabled in the power management or energy management. [04:54] dnivra: screen went black because of the default power management settings, quassel I am not sure about, there is always 'pidgin' , does irc and a lot more [04:55] dnivra: I would restore the backports, those are upgrades/updates [05:26] almoxarife: like i said, the defaults in power management settings didn't have "turn off the screen" option check. and I'm not using just quassel-i've an instance of quasselcore running on a server so that I am signed into IRC 24x7. [05:27] dnivra: good luck with the endevour [05:28] almoxarife: thanks! [05:28] does anyone know the package to which the window switcher belongs to? I'll try reconfiguring it-maybe that'll help. === conrado_ is now known as OriginalRed27 [05:29] dnivra: I dabbled with quassel I never saw the nick list issue [05:29] almoxarife: quasselclient in kubuntu backports? [05:30] it works fine in the version available in the official 11.10 repo but not in the backports. [05:30] dnivra: kwin or plasma-desktop, got it , kwin, killing plasma still leaves me window switching [05:30] great! kwin it is then. [05:31] dnivra: yes, had all the ppa's tagged, ran into a issue finally with broken dependencies with libc6 [05:31] almoxarife: thanks for the tip on the dolphin configuration! the menu bar was disabled in ~/.kde/share/config/dolphinrc [05:31] got it back now. [05:31] dnivra: cool [05:33] dnivra: install 12.04, why fix the old one??? fix the new/last one from ubuntu [05:33] but 12.04 isn't out yet is it? [05:33] it's still in beta right? [05:33] dnivra: it is [05:34] oh! okay. that's news. upgrade time then! [05:34] dnivra: yea, beta, but you got issues with 11.10 that are as close to beta as it can get [05:34] dnivra: and yes, I get lots of little crashes, nothing significant [05:35] lots is the wrong word, I get some [05:35] so it's not officially released eh? then i better not recommend it to others. [05:37] dnivra: its not official release, it's the wild wild west version, after this its just a tool [05:42] * dnivra is having second thoughts now. [05:43] i think i'll upgrade after I finish my bachelor project-it doesn't work, I'm sunk. i guess i'll try troubleshoot the issues. === OriginalRed27 is now known as conrado__ === conrado__ is now known as conrado_ === conrado_ is now known as OriginalRed27 [05:48] is there a way to use smb shares in amarok? [05:49] besides mounting the traditional way? (like gvfs/smb) [05:49] i can browse the share in dolphin, but how do i get that to carry over into amarok? [05:53] phunyguy: maybe you could mount the samba share during boot time by adding an entry to /etc/fstab and ask amarok to watch the directory where you mount the samba share? [05:53] dnivra: that was my question, a way to do it without the traditional fstab way [05:54] like in reg ubuntu, there is the ~/.gvfs folder [05:54] was wondering if there is something similar in kde [05:55] this is a laptop, and i want to access my main music library without copying it locally on the laptop [05:55] manage the collection, etc. [05:56] just clarifying-you wanted to know alternative way to gvfs/smb. by this you mean, you want to know if you can mount the share in a method other than "smb:///path/to/share" right? [05:57] because AFAIK smb://host/path/to/share isn't attached to any directory under /. [05:57] right, i am trying out kubuntu after bein a regular ubuntu user for a while, and I liked gvfs... [05:57] in regular ubuntu if you browse a samba share without actually mounting it, it shows up as a folder in ~/.gvfs [05:58] ah okay you want an alternative to gvfs :). no clues there-i know /etc/fstab can do it :) [05:58] like if you go to nautilus and in the location bar type smb://10.0.2.3/share, it puts "share on 0.0.2.3" in ~/.gvfs as a folder. [05:58] suuuch a dealbreaker... lol [05:59] I am not always at home, and when at work if the entry in fstab isnt accessible, it seems to lock my system. [06:04] and I can't connect to any samba share I use right now so can't help out now either :/ [06:06] maybe my library management needs a rethink [06:13] well well what do you know, purgin kde-window-manager fixed the problem with the window switcher and graphics effects [06:14] ah i see. i guess kde-window-manager-gles wasn't installed and so no effects, eyecandy etc. [06:46] I can't find how to remove the lock-screen coming out of a suspend, any help? === vivek is now known as Guest8541 === Guest8541 is now known as pvivek [06:56] i have a intel hd 3000 gfx card and i get a black screen [06:56] nomodeset is horrible and other kernel parameters make things worse, like no usb or other devices [06:58] Hi guys [06:58] redxii: I assume your graphics drivers are current? [06:58] i installed and updated it [06:58] kubuntu 11.10 [06:59] since upgrading to the latest kde 4.8.1 updated backported to kubuntu 11.10 using the backport ppa, I found that I have to manually start akonadi [06:59] I don't know what the problem is. Is anyone also facing similar issues? [07:00] my monitor turns off before kdm [07:00] it's not blank but completely off [07:01] redxii: would you say your install is still virgin or have you dabbled in fixes? [07:01] virgin [07:02] redxii: can you access the machine ? [07:02] im on it [07:02] so you have graphics [07:02] if use nomodeset i can't use anything other than 1024x768 [07:03] if I use anyything like pci=noacpi or anything else, some functionality is lost [07:03] like right now i don't have usb support [07:03] want to try a few things? non aggressive [07:03] redxii: you need acpi [07:04] first, can you pastebin your xorg.0.log? [07:04] I can show you the simple way to get it into pastebin [07:05] i can do it [07:06] well hold on [07:06] i should boot without using any 'fixes' so i can get a proper log [07:06] redxii: true [07:06] brb [07:06] the .old log wouldn't have it either so i have to do it again [07:11] http://pastebin.com/nJh01nUi [07:13] http://pastebin.com/7iFJ3c3X [07:15] redxii: you have both onboard and a card for graphics, yes? [07:15] no [07:15] only the integrated one on the cpu [07:15] Intel HD 3000 [07:16] redxii: ok, what type of monitor? [07:16] it's a laptop [07:16] redxii: ok [07:16] redxii: which? [07:16] lshw output in the other pastebin url [07:18] i'm guessing it is trying to use a mode that isn't compatible with the monitor [07:18] like a wrong refresh rate [07:22] redxii: would you like to update all your graphics to the current out on the street? I noticed my opengl issues went away once I did the same? [07:22] ok [07:23] well i tried seeing if there was an updated driver but got was '11.04/11.10 should work in intel hd graphics' [07:23] I will give you a ppa and you need to add it, you must allow it to update all the graphics it sees fit, don't pick and choose === vivek is now known as Guest3240 === Guest3240 is now known as pvivek [07:26] ok [07:26] redxii: ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa [07:27] redxii: you know how to add a ppa? [07:27] yra [07:27] yea [07:27] redxii: ok [07:27] In Kubuntu, i've somehow disabled the windows list showing in the bottom panel. In the sense if i open dolphin, chromium, i can't see their entries in panel using which i could minimize,maximize. [07:27] i would be very glad if someone can help me out [07:28] pvivek: you are missing the 'task-bar' widget [07:29] almoxarife: thank you, i'll add it now. [07:29] task manager.................. waitttttttttttt [07:29] too late [07:30] almoxarife: thanks a lot, i fixed it [07:30] pvivek: I gave you the wrong name for the widget, its 'task manager' [07:31] pvivek: cool [07:32] almoxarife: i was able to figure out that much, i knew i was missing a widget, i thought it was windows list :P [07:32] pvivek, I have disabled the task-manager-widget. :) [07:33] Graf_Westerholt: nice. I just feeling having it is comfortable, not to minimize or shift tabs which i can do using alt+tab, but i can be aware of all the open applications [07:34] pvivek: does dragging the mouse to the top left corner do anything on your machine? [07:34] Pici, to me, it is more comfortable to us the „Present Windows“ that I have activated at the top of the deskotp. [07:35] pvivek [07:35] almoxarife: i haven't set anything for it, i can if i want to [07:35] pvivek, give it a try. [07:36] Graf_Westerholt: sure, right now! [07:36] Graf_Westerholt: thought of moving the whole bar to the top? I like mine on top for some reason, don't like to look down maybe [07:36] almoxarife, I have the panel at the top, but no task-manager. [07:37] Graf_Westerholt: Present windows is not a widget? [07:37] Graf_Westerholt: I see, I like to see what's running at a glance [07:37] pvivek, of course it is not a widget. [07:38] You have to set it in system settings, pvivek [07:38] pvivek: present windows and desktop are two good features, I couldn't live without them [07:39] pvivek, go to the „Workspace“ settings. [07:39] Graf_Westerholt: okay [07:40] pvivek actually it is „screen edges“. [07:40] Graf_Westerholt: you mean K>System Settings>Workspace Appearance? [07:40] No, „Workspace Behaviour“. [07:41] Graf_Westerholt: oops, dumb me, got it [07:41] Press ALT+F2 and type in „screen edges“. That is more fast. [07:42] Graf_Westerholt: yup i set the left top screen edge to present windows, and said apply. but it ain't working [07:43] Move your pointer to the left top screen edge. [07:43] Graf_Westerholt: yup i did that :P , no it ain't working. [07:43] Graf_Westerholt: should my graphic drivers be installed for this action to take place? [07:44] no luck [07:44] pvivek, it should work out of the box. [07:45] Did you move your pointer as far as you can to the edge? [07:45] Graf_Westerholt: yes i did, i have used these settings in other comps, it doesn't seem to work. would it be disabled anywhere? [07:45] i bet if i recompile the kernel from vanilla sources it would work, because i had a similar problem on a really long time ago i had to compile a new kernel in Ubuntu to get video to work properly without parameters or settings changes, but i shouldn't have to do that [07:46] how about that [07:47] pvivek, do you have desktops effects turned on? [07:47] redxii: notice any diff? [07:47] every time i try to use ubuntu.. black screen, spending hours trying to fix it [07:47] no it still doesn't work [07:47] redxii: pastebin kern.log please [07:50] Graf_Westerholt: yup my desktop effects is turned on. and the funny part is in screen edges, the other settings, switch desktop on edge is working properly [07:50] How many windows do you have at the moment at your desktops? [07:51] Graf_Westerholt: 4 desktops [07:51] Graf_Westerholt: sorry sorry , you asked for windows right. I have 5 [07:51] too big for pasetbin [07:52] pvivek, it should work. :) [07:53] http://www.mediafire.com/file/ldkk6bjksk32lv5/kerlog [07:53] Graf_Westerholt: i know it should , but it isn't :( and also i have one more problem. I have 4 virtual desktops. I have created shortcuts to navigate through them, and i have given the animation as slide. But it won't slide only [07:53] Graf_Westerholt: in the sense, it'll just change suddenly, no sliding animation. [07:55] pvivek, maybe you need the driver from your manufacturer. With my system, it is working out of the box, with a NVidia-card. [07:55] Graf_Westerholt: i also have NVidia-card, i think i haven't installed the drivers yet. Am searching for the driver i had saved in my system long ago :P [07:56] You do not have to need to do that. [07:56] Kubuntu can install them for you automatically. [07:56] Type „driver“ into the klauncher. [08:00] redxii: noapic option, tried it? [08:01] no [08:01] it might work but it may disable something else [08:01] that's why i want to fix it without parameters [08:02] redxii: you have a parameter already, the 'virt=7'? [08:03] i dunno i don't see it in the logs but X is running on 7 [08:04] redxii: its in the kern.log [08:04] u mean vt.handoff=7 [08:04] redxii: Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-12-generic root=UUID=97c6eaa2-4753-430a-97ea-26cec9c16cb6 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7 [08:06] yeah [08:06] pvivek, what are you doing? [08:06] i could try noapic but i think that's the one that disables power management.. from prior experience a long time ago [08:07] Graf_Westerholt: i found my driver. I tried to run it getting this error. Trying to fix it. http://pastebin.com/2XNQVCnD [08:07] pvivek you should read what I write. [08:07] redxii: remove the 'quiet splash' [08:08] Graf_Westerholt: oops, sorry. Got it. [08:08] pvivek … [08:09] Graf_Westerholt: I am not able to find Klauncher. I mean its neither opening in alt+f2 nor in synapse [08:10] i need help. wanting to install kubuntu 12.04. but wanting to use older versions of network manager and plasma network widget that worked better... how do i do that? [08:10] By pressing ALT+F2 klauner starts, pvivek. [08:11] Graf_Westerholt: When i do that i can see run klauncher. When i click on it nothing happens :| [08:11] You have to type! [08:11] You do not know klauchner? [08:12] Graf_Westerholt: unfortunately no :( [08:13] How do you manage to run with KDE? [08:13] Press ALT+F2 and type „driver“ and hit enter. [08:13] Graf_Westerholt: Sorry, didn't get you [08:13] isnt alt-f2 like the 'run' window in windoze? [08:13] Graf_Westerholt: OMG! I am nuts, sorry sorry [08:14] Graf_Westerholt: klauncher - alt+f2 (Didn't know the name of it) [08:14] Brently, no klauncher is much more then „run“ from windows. [08:15] !klauncher [08:15] Graf_Westerholt: got it. Thanks a lot. Its downloading and installing now. Why was i doing things in the wrong way :( i learnt now. [08:15] so, how do i use the nice newest kubuntu 12.04 but replace some buggy packages with older ones that worked? [08:16] pvivek you did it wrong because you did not read anything about how to use KDE and Linux. [08:16] Graf_Westerholt: yes, i haven't read. Will read it now :) [08:16] pvivek, with klauncher you can do a lot. [08:17] pvivek you can use klauncher as calculator. [08:17] no good it went by way too fast [08:17] say for instance, in 12.04 I want to use network manager and bluedevil from 11.04?? [08:17] You can use klauner to convert currencys or meter in inches. [08:17] Graf_Westerholt: I have been using klauncher for many purposes, like execute commands, run applications, poweroff, reboot. Had forgotten the name. [08:17] redxii: what went by? [08:18] even calculator ya [08:18] the terminal text [08:18] klauncher: „10°C in F“ try it :) [08:18] redxii: can you access the 'display' settings? which is set as the default? [08:19] Graf_Westerholt: How did you give the circle on top of 10 [08:20] it just shows settings.. it's stuck at 1024x768 because of nomodeset [08:20] Shift + 1, but I have the Neo2-Layout, pvivek. [08:20] pvivek, on QWERT is is left from the „1“. [08:21] redxii: you did not remove 'nomodset'? [08:21] in 11.04 I could pair my blackberru, and use it to tether over bluetooth and it worked great. seems to be broken in 12.04. must be a new kde 4.8 bug. four distros with the newest kde all have broken bluetooth and network managers. [08:21] my monitor turns off without it [08:21] Graf_Westerholt: Didn't get this point on QWERT is is left from the „1“. [08:21] i can't see anything [08:22] pvivek QWERT is the normal keyboard-layout. [08:22] redxii: off or into power save when idle for some time? [08:22] it immediately turns off when kdm starts [08:22] pvivek, hit the key left from your „1“ with holding shift. [08:24] pvivek, did you get it? [08:24] Graf_Westerholt: Sorry, i didn't get this part „1“ . you mean shift+1+left. Sorry if the question seems too dumb [08:24] No! [08:25] The TAB-Key! [08:25] shift plus the key next to the 1 ~ [08:25] The TAB-KEY is locatet left from the „1“-Key! [08:25] i'm gonna try something else [08:26] Brently, it is not ~ at my keyboard. Seems there is another layout. [08:26] Graf_Westerholt: you mean this symbol tilda "~" [08:26] Nope. [08:26] Your layout seems to be different from mine. [08:27] Graf_Westerholt: okay the key below ~ is Tab [08:28] pvivek, I cannot tell you because your keyboard-layout is different from mine. [08:28] Graf_Westerholt: i'll try to figure it out. Thanks, probably i'll start using a different layout from now on. thanks [08:29] pvivek, what layout would you use? [08:30] can i install 11.10, mark some packages to be kept, and then do a dist-upgrade? [08:30] i just want 12.04 with working packages for some things from 11... [08:31] Graf_Westerholt: I haven't tried out any other layout other than the default one, i'll try out and choose the one which i like [08:31] Graf_Westerholt: one more doubt, In additional drivers i can see 4 options. http://pastebin.com/xMua0CBe. Should i activate all 4 or just the last one? [08:31] pvivek, you you know why there are different kinds of layouts? [08:32] pvivek, I believed you had already installed the driver. [08:32] Graf_Westerholt: By the way you're asking, i feel different layouts are used when you're doing differnt kind of work, probably one layout is suitable for normal use, one for calculation and stuff [08:32] keyboards from different manufacturers and different areas of the world.. [08:33] Graf_Westerholt: i did, i did the first option, i was thinking before restarting should i do others too. [08:33] pvivek, of course you should use „recommended“. [08:33] Graf_Westerholt: Ya got it. [08:33] pvivek, you cannot install different versions of the driver, of course. [08:34] Graf_Westerholt: got it [08:34] hey guys, just installed kubuntu for the first time but when trying to run firestarter (firewall) it spits up a message that this kernel doesn't support iptables...... is that normal for a kubuntu cd install? [08:35] how do i install the latest kubuntu, and replace some packages with ones from an earlier release? [08:36] pvivek, and different layouts are for different keyboards. Of course in Germany we have keyboards with ä, ü and ö. You do not need that in other countries. [08:36] pvivek, it a silly idea to just use another layout! [08:37] Graf_Westerholt: oh oh okay, i got it now. [08:37] pvivek, I use the Neo2-Layout which is for german. It is optimize for typing german. [08:37] Graf_Westerholt: ya got that after you told me. Thanks a lot. [08:38] Graf_Westerholt: Will restart comp and will be back in 2 mins [08:38] ok [08:38] how do i install the latest kubuntu, and replace some packages with ones from an earlier release? [08:40] Brently, I do not think that this is a good idea and I do not know if that is possible. === vivek is now known as Guest68733 === Guest68733 is now known as pvivek [08:41] wel... [08:41] how can i manually set the mode? [08:41] Grap_Westerholt: WOAH!!! My desktop got new appearance now, thanks a lot. The effects are working :) [08:41] pvivek great! [08:42] for example QT 4.8 has a bug. someone posts a patched version in their ppa. how do i replace the one installed with the patched one? [08:42] pvivek, what Kubuntu-Version are you using? [08:42] Graf_Westerholt: 11.10 [08:43] pvivek, ok [08:43] Graf_Westerholt: Present windows is now working, and yeah its a lot comfortable and nice ui. [08:43] Brently, just wait, Kubutu will update automaticaly. [08:43] pvivek :) [08:44] so just wait for the bug fix to trickle down stream? [08:45] so far the network manager bluetooth tethering is broken. and items remain in the task bar after closing still [08:47] when will 12.04 be finished and released? [08:48] Brently, in 4.2012, of course. [08:49] Brently : 4 refers to 4th month of the year , april . 10 refers to October. [08:49] ah [08:51] so i installed 11.10. and when i update the kde to 4.8 some things break like network manager. so how can i update to kde 4.8 but KEEP some packages older versions? [08:51] Brently, I told you I do not think that you can do that. [08:52] KDE 4.8 depends on packages for 4.8. [08:52] so i should quit trying to have the latest kde and just wait for the work to be finished [08:53] wait until its included in the next official release... [08:53] Graf_Westerholt: "how to use linux and kde" - google? [08:53] pvivek, why? [08:54] Graf_Westerholt: No i am asking you, you pointed out that i was doing things wrongly because i didn't read it, where to find it? [08:54] pvivek, sure. But why that search string? [08:55] Graf_Westerholt: Where else can i find it? [08:55] pvivek, you know how to use a search machine? [08:56] Graf_Westerholt: Search machine == Search engine? [08:56] Right. [08:56] Graf_Westerholt: well yeah i have basic knowledge [08:58] So you know that normally you will only get results with exact that string. [08:58] That means you will not get many results. [09:02] pvivek, if you want to know how to install the nvidia driver, I would search for 'kubuntu driver nvidia' === gaurav_ is now known as Guest23266 [09:03] pvivek of course without the ' [09:03] Graf_Westerholt: got it , i instead searched for nvidia drivers for linux :( i mean yes i've to optimize the way i search. [09:04] pvivek a search engine is no human who can understand a sentence. [09:04] pvivek Instead you should use only keywords. [09:04] Graf_Westerholt: ya ya i know. got it [09:04] pvivek of course you can use other keywords like install [09:05] ok [09:05] Graf_Westerholt: But if you want to learn to use kde. You have to type something like this only right. How to use kde. [09:05] There is a very good german wiki http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de [09:06] well thanks for your help [09:06] unless someone has any other ideas, i'm gonna say.. fuck linux [09:06] also sometimes takes several reboots to get the wireless to work [09:07] Graf_Westerholt: So this could be a right place to start off http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de [09:07] Graf_Westerholt: So this could be a right place to start off http://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials [09:07] pvivek Yes, if you can understand german. [09:07] Graf_Westerholt: *first one typed by mistake. [09:08]