| bjsnider | good thing he stayed around long enough for someone to answer | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| itaylor57 | hes busy griping in ubuntu channel | 00:03 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| penguin42 | Daekdroom: You mean you don't get paid.... | 00:20 |
| Daekdroom | penguin42, well, there are people getting paid to work on Ubuntu, but not specifically to answer questions in here. | 00:20 |
| penguin42 | Daekdroom: I know! I was only joking! | 00:21 |
| Hobart | Just did an install from the Precise Beta image onto a completely-zero'ed new SSD, telling it to use the whole disk. Moved the SSD to a new computer, trying to boot off of it, I get Grub loading to a menu fine, grub's "ls" is able to see the ... | 01:46 |
| Hobart | ... partition fine. But the kernel boots, and gets timeout waiting for root device, and drops me to a completely worthless initramfs busybox that has no keyboard driver loaded (kernel diag msgs show it sees USB keyboard removal/attachment, but no ... | 01:46 |
| Hobart | ... keystrokes go to busybox) | 01:46 |
| Hobart | any suggestions where to start troubleshooting? Haven't found anything relevant in Google yet. | 01:59 |
| Bobbeh | Hello | 03:06 |
| Bobbeh | I need help or at least confirmation | 03:06 |
| Bobbeh | I have been having trouble getting unity 3d to work, so about a week ago I completely removed 11.10 and installed 12.04. I installed the latest ati catalyst driver and set everything up and it still didnt work. Then i left it and went back to windows. 2 days ago I came back to see if it got updated or anything, and i saw that catalyst updated to 12.2 so i installed it. After installing it and rebooting. Unity finally worked, I was | 03:08 |
| Bobbeh | I played with it all day but I cant rememebr what exactly broke it, but i think installing the updates from update manager did | 03:09 |
| Bobbeh | so I completely removed it and tryed again, and again, and again. For the past 2 days I have been trying everything I possibly could to get it to work again but its not | 03:09 |
| Bobbeh | Do i have a chance at it working or did updates break it for good until its fixed again? | 03:10 |
| Bobbeh | Anyone there? | 03:11 |
| TheToff | Bobbeh, I was in here earlier trying to get help | 03:11 |
| TheToff | Nothing | 03:11 |
| Bobbeh | Wait what? | 03:11 |
| Bobbeh | I dont know what to try anymore to get it working | 03:12 |
| TheToff | I hear you | 03:12 |
| Bobbeh | My exact problem is that after logging onto it, about 10 seconds in | 03:12 |
| Bobbeh | The panels and everything show, but clicking does nothing, I cant open programs or anything its just frozen | 03:12 |
| TheToff | No one is here to answer. They're all mentally masturbating or something | 03:12 |
| Bobbeh | lol | 03:13 |
| TheToff | Have you tried completely wiping out your linux install, and doing a clean install? | 03:13 |
| micahg | TheToff: it is the weekend :P | 03:13 |
| Bobbeh | like 20 times | 03:13 |
| Bobbeh | literally | 03:13 |
| Bobbeh | I tried everything | 03:13 |
| TheToff | true, micahg | 03:13 |
| Bobbeh | doing unity --reset doesnt give much errors except for one | 03:14 |
| TheToff | @Bobbeh: What is it? | 03:14 |
| Bobbeh | How do I copy it cause its long | 03:14 |
| Bobbeh | where is the log file kept | 03:14 |
| TheToff | micahg: Your presence allows me to assume you have familiarity with 12.04. Is that right? | 03:14 |
| log | Bobbeh: Hi. :P | 03:15 |
| TheToff | You can copy the terminal output | 03:15 |
| TheToff | or if you know the name of the file, you can grep it | 03:15 |
| Bobbeh | Its in tty1 | 03:15 |
| TheToff | log: lol | 03:15 |
| TheToff | Okay. Select it, and do CTRL+Shift+C | 03:15 |
| TheToff | or right click it, and you chould get a chance to copy it | 03:16 |
| Bobbeh | its tty1 doing that does nothing | 03:16 |
| Bobbeh | anyway it says something like could not open file and the file is Bgcachefile | 03:17 |
| TheToff | fuck it | 03:19 |
| Bobbeh | fuck what? | 03:19 |
| TheToff | sorry, wrong window lol | 03:19 |
| Bobbeh | lulzapalooza | 03:20 |
| log | TheToff: I don't want to know... | 03:20 |
| Bobbeh | it really pisses me off that i had it working perfectly fine | 03:20 |
| Bobbeh | now not for hell can i get it to work | 03:20 |
| TheToff | I hate that crap, too, Bobbeh. | 03:20 |
| Bobbeh | ikr | 03:20 |
| TheToff | I tried converting Backtrack 5 back to Ubuntu for the hell of it, one day, and FUBAR'd the whole thing | 03:21 |
| log | Bobbeh: The ATI Catalyst driver always breaks Unity for me. | 03:21 |
| log | I'm pretty sure it's a known bug. | 03:21 |
| Bobbeh | no it doesnt even show the wallpaper if i dont use it | 03:21 |
| Bobbeh | and when it was working, i had the driver | 03:21 |
| Bobbeh | and the open source driver makes everything slow as hell | 03:21 |
| log | My laptop has an AMD card, but I don't use fglrx because it is so horrible., | 03:21 |
| log | s/,// | 03:22 |
| log | Let alone the driver from AMD's website, which I tried installing yesterday. It broke the entire graphics. | 03:22 |
| Bobbeh | lol | 03:22 |
| log | Had to clean install Ubuntu just to be able to use it again. | 03:22 |
| Bobbeh | it loves my card | 03:22 |
| Bobbeh | makes everything much faster | 03:23 |
| Bobbeh | maybe i have an old open source driver version? | 03:23 |
| log | Hmm, what's the package name? | 03:23 |
| Bobbeh | i have no clue | 03:23 |
| Bobbeh | xorg or something | 03:23 |
| Bobbeh | i have to walk my dog real quick brb | 03:24 |
| log | !package ati | 03:24 |
| log | !package radeon | 03:24 |
| log | Er. | 03:24 |
| log | !info ati | 03:24 |
| ubottu | Package ati does not exist in precise | 03:24 |
| log | !info radeon | 03:24 |
| ubottu | Package radeon does not exist in precise | 03:24 |
| log | Weird. | 03:24 |
| log | Oh. | 03:25 |
| log | !info xserver-xorg-video-ati | 03:25 |
| ubottu | xserver-xorg-video-ati (source: xserver-xorg-video-ati): X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI display driver wrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1:6.14.99~git20111219.aacbd629-0ubuntu2 (precise), package size 7 kB, installed size 85 kB | 03:25 |
| log | Bobbeh: ^ Latest version. | 03:25 |
| log | The open source drive works perfectly on my laptop. However, I don't do gaming in Ubuntu. I have a 6630M. | 03:27 |
| Bobbeh | k im back | 03:29 |
| Bobbeh | checking what verison now | 03:29 |
| Bobbeh | hey how do i check? | 03:30 |
| log | dpkg -s xserver-xorg-video-ati | 03:31 |
| Bobbeh | i have latest | 03:31 |
| log | Hmm, weird. Which card do you have? | 03:31 |
| Bobbeh | hd xpress 4200 | 03:31 |
| Bobbeh | do you know what bgcachefile is, cause its the only error i get | 03:32 |
| log | Where do you get that error? | 03:32 |
| log | Upon boot? | 03:32 |
| Bobbeh | no when i run unity --reset | 03:33 |
| Bobbeh | on my frozen unity screen | 03:33 |
| Bobbeh | in tty1 | 03:33 |
| * log checks if he gets any errors. | 03:33 | |
| log | I get that also. | 03:34 |
| log | ERROR 2012-03-10 22:33:31 unity.bghash BGHash.cpp:554 could not open file (/home/logan/.cache/unity/bgcachefile): Failed to open file '/home/logan/.cache/unity/bgcachefile': No such file or directory | 03:34 |
| Bobbeh | hmm | 03:34 |
| Bobbeh | yeah thats it | 03:34 |
| Bobbeh | I also get a warnign about hud | 03:34 |
| Bobbeh | and about glib-gobject | 03:34 |
| Bobbeh | Im gonna try using the open source driver one time | 03:35 |
| Bobbeh | since i actually havent tryed in a while | 03:35 |
| log | Ok. | 03:35 |
| log | It might be worth a shot. | 03:35 |
| log | Since the AMD drivers technically aren't supported. | 03:35 |
| log | And you can report a bug for the open source one if you have issues. :) | 03:35 |
| phunyguy | is there a way to add music to your library in rhythymbox and have it actually copy the music to your library via rhythymbox? | 03:38 |
| phunyguy | i select import, and it just adds the music to the db | 03:38 |
| Bobbeh | k ima reset and try | 03:41 |
| Bobbeh | brb | 03:41 |
| log | Ok. | 03:41 |
| === TheToff is now known as phuckit | ||
| phuckit | !nick | 03:46 |
| ubottu | Your nick is how people know you on IRC. Please don't change your nicknames too often (use /nick newnick), or it creates a lot of confusion. You should also !register your nick with freenode. | 03:46 |
| phuckit | !register | 03:46 |
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| phuckit | !register /nick JesusChristSuperstar | 03:47 |
| ubottu | phuckit: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 03:47 |
| phunyguy | wow | 03:47 |
| Bobbeh | k im back | 03:48 |
| Bobbeh | it gave me pretty much the exact same thing as the ati drivers | 03:48 |
| Bobbeh | except right after running unity --reset, it gave me like 6 gtk errors | 03:49 |
| Bobbeh | warnings* sorry | 03:49 |
| Bobbeh | log u still there? | 03:51 |
| log | Yeah. | 03:51 |
| log | Ah. | 03:51 |
| log | So it froze up, you're saying? | 03:51 |
| Bobbeh | it did the same thing as with the driver | 03:51 |
| Bobbeh | so im guessing it doesnt matter if i use ati's or open source | 03:51 |
| Bobbeh | except i had 6 gtk warnings | 03:51 |
| Bobbeh | but the panels showed up and froze just like ati's driver | 03:52 |
| Bobbeh | everything was generally the same | 03:52 |
| Bobbeh | im starting to think compiz is to blame | 03:52 |
| Bobbeh | hey how did you copy that error that one time, where is the log? | 03:53 |
| Bobbeh | or how do i copy tty1? | 03:53 |
| log | I'm here. | 03:53 |
| log | Wait, what? | 03:53 |
| snadge | unity window decorator is broken | 03:54 |
| log | Bobbeh: It was in Terminal. | 03:54 |
| snadge | so i use unity2d | 03:54 |
| Bobbeh | oh | 03:54 |
| log | Bobbeh: You might want to try a different GUI, like snadge suggested. | 03:54 |
| Bobbeh | what you mean? | 03:54 |
| log | s/GUI/DE/ | 03:54 |
| Bobbeh | Im using unity2d right now | 03:55 |
| log | Oh, it's happening in 2D also? | 03:55 |
| Bobbeh | but its boring and i hate it | 03:55 |
| Bobbeh | no it dosnt happen in 2d | 03:55 |
| snadge | its a bit like that | 03:55 |
| log | Try KDE if you want "not boring." | 03:55 |
| Bobbeh | KDE? | 03:55 |
| snadge | but a working desktop without bugs thats boring.. is better than an exciting desktop with bugs ;) | 03:55 |
| log | Very heavy graphics-wise. | 03:55 |
| Bobbeh | kubuntu | 03:55 |
| Bobbeh | ? | 03:55 |
| log | sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | 03:55 |
| phunyguy | bugs=exciting, no? | 03:55 |
| Bobbeh | when i had unity 3d working | 03:56 |
| Bobbeh | it had no appearant bugs | 03:56 |
| Bobbeh | played with it all day | 03:56 |
| Bobbeh | just now it wont fucking work | 03:56 |
| damo22 | is unity getting canned in 12.04? | 03:57 |
| Bobbeh | I wish ubuntu would just work without bugs, i hate windows | 03:57 |
| phunyguy | this is a beta. | 03:57 |
| phunyguy | bugs exist. deal with it. | 03:57 |
| Bobbeh | no 11.10 | 03:57 |
| Bobbeh | even more bugs | 03:57 |
| phunyguy | you are in +2 | 03:57 |
| phunyguy | err | 03:57 |
| phunyguy | +1 | 03:57 |
| Bobbeh | my mouse wouldnt even work | 03:58 |
| Bobbeh | in 11,1 | 03:58 |
| Bobbeh | 11.10* | 03:58 |
| log | I generally find the dev versions of Ubuntu to be more stable than the stable versions. :P | 03:58 |
| snadge | haha | 03:58 |
| Bobbeh | me too | 03:58 |
| log | Probably because bugs/crashes are fixed more quickly. | 03:58 |
| Bobbeh | 12.04 has my mouse working correctly, I had unity working at one point, and just feels less buggy | 03:58 |
| damo22 | can someone tell me is unity gone in 12.04 i dont want to download it just to find out | 03:59 |
| Bobbeh | its not | 03:59 |
| log | damo22: Still there. Not going away any time soon. | 03:59 |
| Bobbeh | still here | 03:59 |
| phunyguy | you are more than welcome to contribute some working code. | 03:59 |
| Bobbeh | haha you're phuny | 03:59 |
| damo22 | unity is such a pos i am considering moving to debian | 03:59 |
| log | damo22: There are other DEs available for Ubuntu. | 03:59 |
| log | You don't have to use Unity. | 03:59 |
| phunyguy | you can also use regular gnome3 in ubuntu | 04:00 |
| Bobbeh | oh log, does gnome work for you? | 04:00 |
| Bobbeh | I get the same thing as unity | 04:00 |
| log | gnome-shell? | 04:00 |
| Bobbeh | yeah | 04:00 |
| damo22 | i have tried doing that but the default themes look crap in gnome shell | 04:00 |
| Bobbeh | the newest one | 04:00 |
| phunyguy | so dont use the default theme | 04:00 |
| log | gnome-shell looks like crap on my computer. | 04:00 |
| log | Like, nothing like the Gnome3 screenshots. | 04:00 |
| log | I think Ambience doesn't work or something. | 04:01 |
| Bobbeh | it deos the same thing as unity for me, the top bar shows but i cant click anything | 04:01 |
| damo22 | something is broken in gnome shell its sluggish and looks awful | 04:01 |
| Bobbeh | kde is huge, taking forever | 04:01 |
| log | damo22++ | 04:01 |
| log | Bobbeh: Yes, yes it is. Would you rather have something more lightweight? | 04:01 |
| log | There's also XFCE, LXDE... | 04:01 |
| Bobbeh | idk | 04:01 |
| log | xubuntu-desktop and lubuntu-desktop, respectively, are the package names for those | 04:02 |
| Bobbeh | I like unity but obvioiusly thats not wokring | 04:02 |
| log | Very lightweight DEs. | 04:02 |
| Bobbeh | I hate lubuntu | 04:02 |
| Bobbeh | Ill try xubunut | 04:02 |
| log | Try XFCE, you might like it. | 04:02 |
| Bobbeh | k | 04:02 |
| phunyguy | meh xfce gave me problems | 04:02 |
| phunyguy | lol | 04:02 |
| phunyguy | especially when customizing the look | 04:02 |
| Bobbeh | its beta | 04:02 |
| Bobbeh | deal with it...lol jk | 04:02 |
| damo22 | i dont feel the need to downgrade to a lightweight release just because gnome minus unity doenst work properly in ubuntu.... debian will let me install gnome3 | 04:03 |
| Bobbeh | whats the diff between debian and ubuntu | 04:03 |
| Bobbeh | im not going to try it cuz i dont have cds or flash drives | 04:03 |
| Bobbeh | and as far as i know there is no wubi like installer for it | 04:04 |
| damo22 | different distro, more flexibility | 04:04 |
| log | The two are very similar. | 04:04 |
| Bobbeh | thats what i thought | 04:04 |
| log | Debian releases are more spread apart. | 04:04 |
| Bobbeh | I cant even tell a difference | 04:04 |
| phunyguy | i'm not talking about the beta... lol | 04:04 |
| log | Debian doesn't coddle you as much. | 04:05 |
| log | Less hardware support by default, I believe. | 04:05 |
| Bobbeh | that sucketh | 04:05 |
| Bobbeh | ive known ubuntu too long | 04:05 |
| log | I could be wrong, though... It's just based on my friends' experiences with it. | 04:05 |
| Bobbeh | if it had a wubi like installer to dual boot with windows | 04:05 |
| Bobbeh | i would try it | 04:05 |
| phunyguy | i started as a red hat guy, and now fedora is a pile. | 04:05 |
| phunyguy | :) | 04:06 |
| log | Bobbeh: I've tried switching from Ubuntu, but I've just become so accustomed to APT, etc., that I can't get away from it. :P | 04:06 |
| damo22 | hehe | 04:06 |
| log | And the IRC community is awesome for Ubuntu. | 04:06 |
| Bobbeh | btw i fucking hate windows | 04:06 |
| damo22 | but debian uses apt | 04:06 |
| phunyguy | i think foul language may be frowned upon here, Bobbeh | 04:06 |
| Bobbeh | kde is 50% | 04:06 |
| log | damo22: Well, yes. | 04:06 |
| Bobbeh | well please excuse my dear aunt sally | 04:06 |
| phunyguy | i don't frown upon it, but be careful. | 04:06 |
| Bobbeh | k | 04:07 |
| phunyguy | turd... ll | 04:07 |
| phunyguy | lol* | 04:07 |
| Bobbeh | its phuny cuz i hate foul language | 04:07 |
| log | damo22: What I love about Ubuntu is that it is more than an OS; it is a community. I always get help when I need help, and I never feel scared to comment on bugs, etc. The devs are very welcoming. | 04:07 |
| Bobbeh | yet i use it online | 04:07 |
| Bobbeh | i hate it irl | 04:07 |
| damo22 | log: i guess so | 04:07 |
| phunyguy | sounds like an act irl or online | 04:08 |
| phunyguy | just sayin' | 04:08 |
| Bobbeh | what? | 04:08 |
| phunyguy | one of them is an act that means | 04:08 |
| phunyguy | but I digress | 04:08 |
| Bobbeh | im too stupid to understand | 04:08 |
| Bobbeh | im only 16 btw | 04:08 |
| phunyguy | makes sense | 04:08 |
| Bobbeh | lul | 04:09 |
| Bobbeh | being 16 sucks | 04:09 |
| log | Bobbeh: Just turned 17. :P | 04:09 |
| Bobbeh | being 17 sucks | 04:09 |
| Bobbeh | life just sucks in general | 04:09 |
| Bobbeh | Ok, when you think about childhood memories do you get this unique feeling? | 04:10 |
| Bobbeh | Remember when 5 minutes felt like an hour? | 04:10 |
| phunyguy | i was 16 in 1996... | 04:10 |
| Bobbeh | i was born in 1996 | 04:10 |
| * phunyguy feels old | 04:10 | |
| phunyguy | and yes 16-17 sucks. no freedom. | 04:11 |
| log | Well, I have a car. | 04:11 |
| Bobbeh | phuny, have you turned into an adult yet? | 04:11 |
| Bobbeh | Im too poor to afford a car | 04:11 |
| Bobbeh | hah! | 04:11 |
| Bobbeh | lol jk | 04:11 |
| Bobbeh | sucks for the people who really are too poor | 04:11 |
| Bobbeh | but i havent gotten my liscense yet | 04:11 |
| phunyguy | meh... adult-hood is overrated | 04:12 |
| phunyguy | the only good thing is if you have a good career. | 04:12 |
| Bobbeh | honestly true adults are different | 04:12 |
| phunyguy | I got lucky and do. | 04:12 |
| Bobbeh | children live, and take in everything as a new experience | 04:12 |
| phunyguy | did some Navy time, etc. | 04:12 |
| Bobbeh | teens want to be children again | 04:12 |
| Bobbeh | QUICK, kdm or lightdm? | 04:13 |
| log | ? | 04:13 |
| phunyguy | for KDE, kdm | 04:13 |
| Bobbeh | the install of kubuntu just finished | 04:13 |
| Bobbeh | and its asking whicih | 04:13 |
| log | Oh. | 04:13 |
| Bobbeh | ok thanks | 04:13 |
| phunyguy | sucker... | 04:13 |
| log | "LightDM will probably replace KDM in Kubuntu 12.04" | 04:13 |
| Bobbeh | ... | 04:13 |
| Bobbeh | too late now | 04:13 |
| log | Haha. I'm sure both are fine. | 04:14 |
| log | KDM is probably more stable. | 04:14 |
| Bobbeh | lol | 04:14 |
| Bobbeh | k | 04:14 |
| phunyguy | :) | 04:14 |
| Bobbeh | http://www.truthcontest.com/entries/the-present-universal-truth/ | 04:14 |
| Bobbeh | dont read that, waste of your time | 04:15 |
| Bobbeh | omg 90% of the chat is bobbeh | 04:16 |
| Bobbeh | ima slow down on the talking | 04:16 |
| phunyguy | it happens | 04:16 |
| phunyguy | because this is a support channel. | 04:16 |
| phunyguy | there is an off-topic variant... | 04:16 |
| Bobbeh | ikr, im just blabbing | 04:16 |
| Bobbeh | this one time i was playing an online game, and i started talking to some random, and he ended up telling me he had a wife | 04:17 |
| Bobbeh | and i was like, does it feel nice to have sex with her? | 04:17 |
| phunyguy | tread lightly | 04:18 |
| Bobbeh | and at first he gave me a lecture about how its personal | 04:18 |
| Bobbeh | and then he was like, yes it is nice | 04:18 |
| Bobbeh | true or not? | 04:18 |
| Fyodorovna | Bobbeh, this is a family channel, and precise support #ubuntu-offtopic is for chatter. | 04:18 |
| phunyguy | I would imagine if it wasnt, then there would be an iminent divorce | 04:19 |
| Bobbeh | ok fyodo | 04:19 |
| Bobbeh | kde just finished also so ill brb | 04:19 |
| phunyguy | cya in quassel | 04:19 |
| phunyguy | or whatever kde has now | 04:19 |
| phunyguy | so since the new default media player for ubuntu is rhythymbox, I need some help. I like Banshee, but I like to stay with what is 100% supported. Is there a way to import music to your library with rhythymbox and have it actually copy the files to your library folder? | 04:23 |
| phunyguy | currently it only adds the music to the database, keeping it in the original path | 04:24 |
| almoxarife | who used to use dnsmasq who knows how to make the changes needed to 12.04 to get dnsmasq running as previous? kubuntu edition | 04:35 |
| almoxarife | I like the idea of builtin dnsmasq, I just want my old config back | 04:35 |
| magn3ts | Will Precise have Shell 3.3 or will we be stuck with 3.2? | 04:36 |
| micahg | well ,it'll be 3.4 or 3.2, some people are trying for 3.4, but it's not certain yet | 04:37 |
| magn3ts | oh, are odd numbereds unstable? | 04:37 |
| micahg | yep | 04:37 |
| magn3ts | Cooliolio, didn't realize that. | 04:38 |
| magn3ts | Well, I'll be in the hoping for 3.4 :) though it is an LTS | 04:38 |
| phunyguy | this seems to be a non-conventional LTS release | 04:38 |
| phunyguy | adding a couple new things | 04:38 |
| micahg | magn3ts: you can track bug 941755 | 04:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 941755 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "FFe: Update gnome-shell/mutter to 3.3.90" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/941755 | 04:39 |
| Bobbeh | hello im back | 05:53 |
| Bobbeh | log u still there? | 05:53 |
| log | Yes. | 05:54 |
| Bobbeh | i installed kde | 05:54 |
| Bobbeh | all the effects and everything worked, so im gonna go out and say that unity not working is purely a bug and will be fixed soon | 05:54 |
| Bobbeh | then again, i dont think it uses compiz. so compiz being the problem is still valid | 05:55 |
| Bobbeh | also, i hate kde | 05:55 |
| Bobbeh | its ugly, even with its theming engine, i hate the layout, the design, everything. Too windows like. | 05:55 |
| Bobbeh | now i dont know how in the world to uninstall | 05:56 |
| Bobbeh | I could just remove my ubuntu and reinstall it, but it takes really long and for the 21st time, its starting to get anoyying | 05:56 |
| Bobbeh | when i try to uninstall it using a command I found online, it says | 05:57 |
| Bobbeh | Virtual packages like 'kdepim-groupware' can't be removed | 05:57 |
| Bobbeh | Virtual packages like 'plasma-widget-kimpanel-backend-ibus' can't be removed | 05:57 |
| log | Bobbeh: You're trying to remove Kubuntu? | 06:01 |
| Bobbeh | yeah | 06:01 |
| Bobbeh | by runnning this long command | 06:01 |
| Bobbeh | http://askubuntu.com/questions/105888/how-to-completly-uninstall-kde-and-its-packages-from-12-04 | 06:01 |
| log | You might want to clean install. Removing a DE gets messy. | 06:02 |
| Bobbeh | ugh | 06:03 |
| Bobbeh | gonna take fo eva | 06:03 |
| Bobbeh | but ok | 06:03 |
| Bobbeh | what was that other DE you were talking about | 06:03 |
| Bobbeh | was it xubuntu? | 06:03 |
| Bobbeh_ | brb | 06:06 |
| Bobbeh | hey log | 06:14 |
| Bobbeh | which do you reccomend, the beta 1 of precise, or the current build? | 06:14 |
| log | Same thing, basically. | 06:14 |
| Bobbeh | k | 06:15 |
| Bobbeh | im so tired | 06:15 |
| Bobbeh | its 115 | 06:15 |
| Bobbeh | what kind of music do yo listen to? | 06:16 |
| log | It's 1:16 AM for me. :P | 06:16 |
| log | Ubuntu startup sounds, naturally. | 06:16 |
| log | They're bangin'. | 06:16 |
| Bobbeh | lul | 06:16 |
| Bobbeh | thisll work right? | 06:17 |
| Bobbeh | http://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic.php?t=3075 | 06:17 |
| Bobbeh | even though its like 5 years old? | 06:18 |
| Bobbeh | wup gotta reboot | 06:19 |
| Bobbeh | brb | 06:19 |
| pasodj | hi, anyone here? | 08:16 |
| === mikester01 is now known as mikester01|AFK | ||
| * valdur55 is away: I'm busy | 09:52 | |
| hot_wheelz | hi guys | 10:00 |
| hot_wheelz | will https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/644198 be fixed soon? | 10:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 644198 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "Ubuntu LIve Cd does not enable bluetooth before choice menu in live-cd" [High,Fix released] | 10:00 |
| bazhang | hot_wheelz, as the link shows, a fix has been released | 10:01 |
| hot_wheelz | bazhang, I tried installing 11.1o from livecd earlier today no joy with blue-tooth detection | 10:04 |
| almoxarife | ok, so now that everyone finds 'dnsmasq' the sexy answer to caching I was wondering where I am suppose to make the changes to dnsmasq.conf (does not exist)? | 10:04 |
| almoxarife | ok, so now that everyone finds 'dnsmasq' the sexy answer to caching I was wondering where I am suppose to make the changes to dnsmasq.conf (does not exist)? kubuntu 12.04 | 10:05 |
| almoxarife | where it seems like one might (/var/run/nm-dnsmasq.conf) any changes made don't stick | 10:06 |
| bazhang | hot_wheelz, its been fixed in precise, which is what this channel is for 12.04 | 10:06 |
| hot_wheelz | noted the fix sorry | 10:08 |
| jokerdino | bug 9577757 | 10:13 |
| ubottu | Error: Launchpad bug 9577757 could not be found | 10:13 |
| jokerdino | bug 957757 | 10:14 |
| ubottu | Error: Launchpad bug 957757 could not be found | 10:14 |
| jokerdino | bug 947757 | 10:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 947721 in gnome-panel (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #947757 gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_tree_view_column_setup_sort_column_id_callback()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947721 | 10:14 |
| bazhang | !find php | 10:22 |
| ubottu | Found: libapache2-mod-php5, php-pear, php5, php5-cgi, php5-cli, php5-common, php5-curl, php5-dbg, php5-dev, php5-gd (and 224 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=php&searchon=names&suite=precise§ion=all | 10:22 |
| bazhang | info php5 | 10:23 |
| bazhang | whoops | 10:23 |
| bazhang | !info php5 | 10:23 |
| ubottu | php5 (source: php5): server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (metapackage). In component main, is optional. Version 5.3.10-1ubuntu2 (precise), package size 1 kB, installed size 21 kB (Only available for any all) | 10:23 |
| eruditehermit | hey, does anyone know a workaround for the gnome-shell battery meter problem? | 10:42 |
| ironhalik | hmm guys, Ive got a problem | 11:33 |
| ironhalik | I want to bind a script to fn key | 11:33 |
| ironhalik | and it wont let me :) | 11:33 |
| dr_willis | make the key do somthing like 'xterm -e /path/to/script' perhaps? to see if its working | 11:35 |
| ironhalik | hmm, binding it like that make no difference | 11:40 |
| ironhalik | the original function of the key, is to change the aspect ratio from 16/10 to 4/3 | 11:41 |
| ironhalik | when I usi it, the cursor blinks and nothing happens | 11:41 |
| glosoli | working fine here | 11:42 |
| glosoli | :) | 11:42 |
| glosoli | you do chmod +x that script ? | 11:42 |
| ironhalik | sure | 11:42 |
| ironhalik | of I bind it to, lets say, ctrl + alt + shift + s | 11:42 |
| ironhalik | it works | 11:42 |
| glosoli | what are you trying to bind it to ? | 11:43 |
| ironhalik | fn + display | 11:43 |
| ironhalik | its a dells thing | 11:43 |
| glosoli | does it even finds your key | 11:44 |
| glosoli | ? | 11:44 |
| ironhalik | well, yeah | 11:44 |
| ironhalik | it says its 'Display' | 11:44 |
| ironhalik | and the keycode is 233 | 11:44 |
| glosoli | Strange are you sure you made it executable ? | 11:45 |
| ironhalik | yeah | 11:45 |
| ironhalik | I got it aliased too | 11:45 |
| ironhalik | I think it has some hardcoded function | 11:45 |
| ironhalik | and since my script uses dpms force off | 11:45 |
| ironhalik | which faiels when theres other input | 11:46 |
| ironhalik | then the hardcoded function brakes the script | 11:46 |
| ironhalik | btw, anyone noticed situation when the PC completely freezes, all CPU cores at full, and disk reading/writing constantly? | 11:47 |
| ironhalik | it may be related to google chrome | 11:47 |
| atengesdal | Hello, running 12.04 and I can't get inSSIDer to work, can anyone help? | 11:59 |
| atengesdal | Unhandled Exception: System.TypeLoadException: Could not load type 'MetaGeek.inSSIDer.Extensions.Graphs.View.ChannelView' from assembly 'MetaGeek.inSSIDer.Extensions.Graphs, Version=0.1.1.429, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null'. | 11:59 |
| glosoli | ironhalik: nah didin't noticed that | 11:59 |
| ironhalik | yeah, Im not sure of its something with Ubuntu, or with my ghetto ssd | 12:02 |
| ironhalik | considering it causes, or is caused by, constant drive activity | 12:02 |
| atengesdal | Hello, running 12.04 and I can't get inSSIDer to work, can anyone help? | 12:02 |
| glosoli | ironhalik: heard there are some problems with SSD yesterday some person was calling for help :) | 12:03 |
| ironhalik | oh, I should look around the launchpad | 12:04 |
| ironhalik | hmm, I realised I forgot to add discard to my desktop pc | 12:09 |
| ironhalik | linux could do that by default | 12:09 |
| ironhalik | since, like, three years ago | 12:09 |
| atengesdal | anyone here knows anything about inSSIDer? | 12:11 |
| ironhalik | used it once or twice, but thats it | 12:11 |
| almoxarife | anyone else caught in the dnsmasq dilemma? can't configure it anymore in 12.04? if you have any info I would appreciate it | 12:27 |
| dr_willis | never really used dnsmasq | 12:29 |
| dr_willis | !info dnsmasq | 12:29 |
| ubottu | dnsmasq (source: dnsmasq): Small caching DNS proxy and DHCP/TFTP server. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.59-4 (precise), package size 15 kB, installed size 117 kB | 12:29 |
| penguin42 | almoxarife: 12.04 has an autoconfigured one that runs just on the local interface autostarted by network manager | 12:29 |
| almoxarife | penguin42: that's the problem, I can't find where to re-configure it to my settings, settings I have tweaked for about 3 yrs | 12:32 |
| penguin42 | almoxarife: I think it might be possible to turn the automatic one off | 12:33 |
| almoxarife | penguin42: if you know how please share brother, I don't see it | 12:33 |
| penguin42 | almoxarife: I've not tried it, but...... in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf on 12.04 is the line dns=dnsmasq that wasn't there in older ones | 12:33 |
| penguin42 | almoxarife: I'd try taking it out and reboot and see what happens | 12:34 |
| almoxarife | penguin42: I saw that | 12:34 |
| dr_willis | so dnsmasq is being used by default? | 12:34 |
| penguin42 | dr_willis: Yeh | 12:34 |
| almoxarife | dr_willis: yeap | 12:34 |
| almoxarife | which is sweet if one can have it suit their purposes too | 12:35 |
| dr_willis | id be happy if it just made finding samba shares on the LAN work better. :P | 12:35 |
| almoxarife | penguin42: I am trying to configure the running process, if I remove it I am thinking I am not going to get anywhere | 12:36 |
| penguin42 | almoxarife: Well in stuff before 12.04 there wasn't anything running already, so what I'm guessing is if you stop NetworkManager starting it's own (by the thing I suggested) then you would do what you did previously | 12:37 |
| almoxarife | I installed 'dnsmasq' after the install, I kept getting a 'port 53 already being used', never thought dnsmasq would have gone default, and the conf file I do see is vapor-ware like making changes to 'resolve.conf' in 11.10 | 12:38 |
| dr_willis | how did you install it.. if it was allready installed? :) | 12:39 |
| almoxarife | penguin42: your idea is as good as any right now | 12:39 |
| dr_willis | or is it an alternative to dnsmasq thats using the same name? | 12:39 |
| penguin42 | dr_willis: No, it's really dnsmasq | 12:39 |
| penguin42 | dr_willis: Started by NetworkManager, which generates it's own config file in a tmp directory | 12:40 |
| almoxarife | dr_willis: the installed package is 'dnsmasq-base', you can install 'dnsmasq' | 12:40 |
| dr_willis | holey dynamic dns masqs batman! :P | 12:40 |
| almoxarife | but then you got a deamon trying to use a port 12.04 does not allow | 12:41 |
| almoxarife | penguin42: you might have the right idea, I am going to try it | 12:43 |
| almoxarife | penguin42: you the man/woman, remarking the line keeps dnsmasq from starting and I still have dns from ??? don't care, I can install my version back, I assume now, thanks for the help | 12:51 |
| penguin42 | almoxarife: No problem; and there is this page I just found linked from the Beta release notes that suggests the same: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/ | 12:52 |
| almoxarife | penguin42: sort of leaves you hanging (the link), I am one of those people who want to use a local cache, but good info, thnks | 12:56 |
| penguin42 | almoxarife: Well, the bottom question/answer gives the same one I just gave you - I guess they could tweak their question a bit - but same answer :-) | 12:57 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| airtonix | http://dpaste.com/714956/ < My system can not see the 4 2TB sata drives connected to the 88SE6145 SATA II PCI-E controller | 14:27 |
| airtonix | it can when i enter the bios setup, and when it progresses to through the POST screens. however entering the kernel.... it disapears because i can not force it to use ahci driver | 14:27 |
| airtonix | bios is setup to use ahci btw | 14:28 |
| penguin42 | airtonix: Please bug report it - can you boot off cd/thumb drive and get to the installer? | 14:34 |
| airtonix | i can boot from usb on that machine, yes | 14:39 |
| legodude | hi everyone, my laptop is no longer suspending when I close the lid, any hints for debugging? | 14:43 |
| JohnNapster | hello | 14:47 |
| JohnNapster | we all know about sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 14:48 |
| JohnNapster | it would be wonderful to have sudo apt-get dist-downgrade | 14:48 |
| JohnNapster | do you agree? | 14:48 |
| JohnNapster | i'm on Ubuntu 12.04 Beta 1 and I find it very unstable, so instead of reinstalling the whole 11.10 version, I would just like to do a little sudo apt-get dist-downgrade | 14:49 |
| JohnNapster | but since this command (dist-downgrade) does not exist (yet?), i would love to know what's the easiest way to downgrade to Ubuntu 11.10 ?? | 14:50 |
| tsimpson | you find a BETA unstable, stop the presses!! | 14:54 |
| tsimpson | short answer is, grab a 11.10 install CD and reinstall | 14:55 |
| tsimpson | long answer is, don't use development software when you want stability. dual-boot or use a VM if you don't have a test machine you're willing to have not working for a while | 14:55 |
| penguin42 | JohnNapster: There is no downgrade | 14:58 |
| penguin42 | JohnNapster: If you need to downgrade you'll have to reinstall - however, can you explain in what way it's unstable - those need filing as bugs so they can have a chance of being fixed for release | 14:59 |
| penguin42 | tsimpson: Well it's a beta not an alpha | 14:59 |
| tsimpson | and it's beta not stable | 15:00 |
| Shubham | hey can anyone provide me link to download ubuntu 12.04 | 15:03 |
| oCean | Shubham: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Beta1 | 15:03 |
| Shubham | ocean thanks :) | 15:04 |
| Shubham | oCean, :) thanks | 15:05 |
| Shubham | oCean, so is it stable can i use it now only? | 15:06 |
| oCean | Shubham: no, it's beta, not stable | 15:06 |
| oCean | expect trouble | 15:06 |
| Shubham | oCean, ohh kk but it release date is close so can i expect some stability fron it? :P | 15:06 |
| oCean | Shubham: it still 7 weeks to release date. Yes it's beta, yes it's supposed to be more stable than Alpha, but that's why there is a beta testing period | 15:08 |
| FernandoMiguel | anyone knows how to fix the alt+tab problem ? | 15:11 |
| penguin42 | When people say 'it's not stable' - please be more specific - does it crash? Does it misrender stuff? Does something specific not work | 15:12 |
| airtonix | penguin42: when i do eventually boot into a liveusb was there something specific you would have me run in order to submit usefull information | 15:14 |
| penguin42 | airtonix: OK, have you got a launchpad account? If you have then in a terminal run ubuntu-bug linux and follow the instructions | 15:15 |
| airtonix | penguin42: ok | 15:15 |
| penguin42 | airtonix: That'll record all your machine details into launchpad | 15:15 |
| FernandoMiguel | when I was just finally liking Unity | 15:16 |
| airtonix | penguin42: but jsut so i'm sure on this, the pastebin i provided was supposed to disable pata-marvel and use ahci instead right? | 15:16 |
| airtonix | FernandoMiguel: there's a problem with alt+tab? | 15:17 |
| penguin42 | airtonix: Sorry, I missed that pastebin - where? | 15:17 |
| FernandoMiguel | airtonix: I can't alt+tab anymore | 15:17 |
| airtonix | http://dpaste.com/714956/ | 15:17 |
| airtonix | gah | 15:17 |
| airtonix | penguin42: http://dpaste.com/714958/ | 15:18 |
| almoxarife | http://torrentfreak.com/piratebox-takes-file-sharing-off-the-radar-and-offline-for-next-to-nothing-120311/ | 15:18 |
| almoxarife | wrong channel, sorry | 15:18 |
| airtonix | not yet you're not | 15:18 |
| oCean | it's not stable because of quite a long list of all sorts of issues (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-12.04) | 15:19 |
| penguin42 | airtonix: OK, so I've not seen that rune before | 15:19 |
| ironhalik | Hmm, theres something really wrong with precise right now, for me at least | 15:20 |
| ironhalik | every couple of minutes, it completely freezes for abourt 30 seconds | 15:21 |
| ironhalik | it may be Unity | 15:21 |
| FernandoMiguel | ironhalik: what GPU? | 15:22 |
| penguin42 | ironhalik: can you pastebin the output of dmesg after a hang | 15:23 |
| ironhalik | FernandoMiguel: Intel IGP, 950 c | 15:23 |
| ironhalik | sorry, one was right now | 15:23 |
| ironhalik | 950 chipset | 15:23 |
| ironhalik | so kinda oldish, but worked nice on 11.10 | 15:24 |
| ironhalik | sec, ill paste dmesg, theres something there | 15:24 |
| ironhalik | http://paste.ubuntu.com/879023/ | 15:25 |
| penguin42 | ironhalik: Is that it - could you pastebin the whole dmesg? | 15:25 |
| penguin42 | ironhalik: If you're getting one of those on every time it pauses, then there seems to be a disagreement with your disc controller | 15:26 |
| ironhalik | yeah, I hqad some problems when formatting the drive | 15:26 |
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| ironhalik | couldnt remove swap partition | 15:26 |
| ironhalik | its flashbased, without trim, so when I was installing 64 bit, I zeroed it via dd | 15:27 |
| ironhalik | like when you do with the old SSDs | 15:27 |
| FernandoMiguel | alt+f4 isn't working either | 15:29 |
| FernandoMiguel | but the key is set | 15:29 |
| penguin42 | ironhalik: Can you pastebin a full dmesg? I don't know much about SSDs but lets see what we can see | 15:29 |
| ironhalik | sorry, had to reboot this time | 15:33 |
| ironhalik | penguin42: theres no point, other parts of dmesg are regarding my wifi only | 15:34 |
| penguin42 | ironhalik: Odd, it normally contains all the kernel boot info | 15:35 |
| ironhalik | well, ok Ill paste the whole output | 15:36 |
| ironhalik | http://paste.ubuntu.com/879053/ | 15:37 |
| ironhalik | can I run fsck on mounted filesystem? | 15:40 |
| ironhalik | oh, I can but I shouldn't | 15:41 |
| penguin42 | ironhalik: it doesn't give sane results when it's mounted and you really mustn't let it try and fix anything | 15:42 |
| penguin42 | ironhalik: So, those boot messages look OK, normal Intel ATA controller - although I've never seen anyone running off a compact flash before | 15:43 |
| penguin42 | ironhalik: I'd probably try using something like hdparm to see if I could knock it down one UDMA speed | 15:44 |
| ironhalik | it runs at full speed, 80 megs read and ~20 write | 15:44 |
| penguin42 | ironhalik: except when it goes wrong! | 15:44 |
| ironhalik | but the write is acting funny, the first 1/3 of the test it runs at 30meg, then drops to 20 | 15:45 |
| penguin42 | ironhalik: that fragment from when it goes wrong shows a timeout (which is probably why everything hangs for 30seconds) | 15:45 |
| ironhalik | ok, bbl, Ill work on it with my desktop around :) | 15:48 |
| ironhalik | thanks | 15:48 |
| Siarom | hen-files e hud are redundant operations? hud can find files also! | 16:20 |
| Siarom | no? | 16:20 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Anyone else have a problem where closing their laptop lid won't initiate suspend? It's set to do so within my power settings. | 16:51 |
| FunnyLookinHat | I wasn't sure if I should submit a device-specific regression bug. | 16:51 |
| itaylor57 | just upped my system from 4 G to 8G | 17:20 |
| penguin42 | I thought suspend on 12.04 only got enabled on a small set of machines - but I don't know the details | 17:38 |
| itaylor57 | penguin42, i think that is hibernate,have to be whitelisted | 17:39 |
| itaylor57 | suspend works fine for me | 17:39 |
| penguin42 | oh ok | 17:39 |
| FernandoMiguel | oh really? | 17:40 |
| itaylor57 | but i could be wrong, i just know that hibernate is not an option on my install | 17:45 |
| Hobart | ...welp, if anyone else should report the same issue/behavior I did, booting off a live CD, mounting and chrooting to the install, mounting /dev /sys and /proc, then doing a full apt update/upgrade/dist-upgrade fixed it, fwiw. | 17:58 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Suspend works fine for me when I choose it from the gear icon - it just doesn't do it automatically when I close my screen. | 18:20 |
| itaylor57 | FunnyLookinHat, did you set it to suspend in the power settings? | 18:22 |
| itaylor57 | i.e. when lid is closed | 18:23 |
| FunnyLookinHat | itaylor57, Yeah | 18:28 |
| FunnyLookinHat | I think it's this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/862813 | 18:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 862813 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Power Managment settings are being ignored" [High,Confirmed] | 18:29 |
| itaylor57 | well mine works | 18:32 |
| sima_ | Hello all! | 18:40 |
| FunnyLookinHat | itaylor57, What brand/model laptop? | 18:45 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Howdy sima_ | 18:45 |
| sima_ | Hi | 18:46 |
| sima_ | Who what may say about mine problem? | 18:46 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Just ask away - if someone knows an answer they'll respond :) | 18:48 |
| sima_ | Ok, another question | 18:48 |
| sima_ | Who use custom GTK theme s | 18:49 |
| sima_ | themes on 12.04 ? | 18:49 |
| pangolin | sima_ : just ask your actual support question and if someone can answer they will. | 18:55 |
| sima_ | Oh | 18:55 |
| sima_ | When I using GTK theme Ambianse DS Blue in Settings windows background are gray and text color - white.Therefore it merges | 18:57 |
| the-penguin | Anyone have trouble logging in with LighDM? | 19:01 |
| sima_ | I have troubbles with random-time logout | 19:02 |
| the-penguin | hmm, It's just my admin account and just LightDM | 19:02 |
| the-penguin | if I launch gdm via tty interface everything works fine | 19:03 |
| jbicha | sima_: the theme probably needs to be updated for GTK 3.3/3.4, you can ask the theme developer about it | 19:03 |
| the-penguin | maybe, the odd thing is that I can still log into the guest accounts with LightDM, it's just my admin account | 19:03 |
| sima_ | Thanks | 19:04 |
| trism | the-penguin: what sort of trouble? do you notice anything strange in the logs in /var/log/lightdm/ ? | 19:04 |
| sima_ | Who use Cinnamon? | 19:04 |
| sima_ | What there with translations? Who knows? | 19:05 |
| the-penguin | hmm, as of now the lightdm.log file is empty, I did a backtrace earlier and submitted a bug on launchpad | 19:05 |
| the-penguin | If I read it right there seems to be a kernel issue when ever lightdm crashes | 19:06 |
| trism | the-penguin: what's the bug number? | 19:08 |
| the-penguin | just one second | 19:09 |
| trism | the-penguin: no rush, just curious to see the backtrace | 19:11 |
| the-penguin | Bug #952442 or #951794 | 19:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 952442 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Xorg crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/952442 | 19:16 |
| the-penguin | they're both the same problem, with different packages target by apport | 19:16 |
| trism | the-penguin: thanks | 19:17 |
| penguin42 | the-penguin: There are a whole bunch of files in /var/log/lightdm - x-0.log might be interesting if you think it's the X dying | 19:18 |
| the-penguin | okay, just one second, i'll check it out | 19:18 |
| the-penguin | i've been looking at the auth.log and the problem seems to appear there as well | 19:18 |
| the-penguin | sessions opening and closing for both my account and for lightdm | 19:19 |
| penguin42 | the-penguin: If you check there is no actual password in there then it's probably best to just attach the lot from there | 19:19 |
| the-penguin | withing several seconds | 19:19 |
| ActionParsnip | Any guake user here. I'm missing the new tab button in the bottom right and wondered if I was alone? | 19:21 |
| trism | the-penguin: did you try any other sessions other than the xterm session? | 19:21 |
| the-penguin | yes, all sessions won't launch with the admin account, including the xterm | 19:21 |
| the-penguin | everything launches fine though if gdm is used | 19:21 |
| itaylor57 | FunnyLookinHat, lemur system76 | 19:23 |
| ActionParsnip | System76 ftw | 19:25 |
| andrewaclt | Is OpenJDK included by default in 12.04? Or some other JRE? | 19:26 |
| ActionParsnip | andrewaclt: yes openjdk | 19:26 |
| andrewaclt | I've searched for "openjdk" "java runtime" "java jre" "jre" and I don't see anything in the ubuntu software center | 19:26 |
| ActionParsnip | !find java | 19:27 |
| ubottu | Found: ca-certificates-java, default-jdk, default-jre, default-jre-headless, ecj-gcj, gcj-4.6-jdk, gcj-4.6-jre, gcj-4.6-jre-headless, gcj-jdk, gcj-jre (and 1355 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=java&searchon=names&suite=precise§ion=all | 19:27 |
| andrewaclt | I guess I want default-jdk | 19:28 |
| ironhalik | apt-get install default-jdk | 19:28 |
| andrewaclt | lol yep thanks | 19:28 |
| ironhalik | apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk, too | 19:29 |
| ironhalik | :> | 19:29 |
| andrewaclt | heh | 19:29 |
| ActionParsnip | ironhalik: will need sudo ;-) | 19:30 |
| the-penguin | are there no debugging symbols for lightdm? | 19:31 |
| trism | the-penguin: http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/lightdm/ | 19:35 |
| the-penguin | trism: thanks | 19:35 |
| FunnyLookinHat | itaylor57, Well of course the Lemur works! ( I work at System76 ) | 20:07 |
| itaylor57 | FunnyLookinHat, i really like it | 20:11 |
| ActionParsnip | do any guake users have the new tab button missing in the bottom right of the window? | 20:19 |
| FunnyLookinHat | itaylor57, sweet! I'm glad you do! | 20:45 |
| === Guest89508 is now known as xaphir | ||
| FernandoMiguel | anyone can test this bug ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/896547?comments=all | 21:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 896547 in ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Android SDK requires libncurses5:i386 in 64bits" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 21:26 |
| decaf | is your aptitude blue too? | 21:27 |
| FernandoMiguel | ? | 21:28 |
| ActionParsnip | FernandoMiguel: the deb will need tweaking to use the 64bit one | 21:32 |
| FernandoMiguel | ActionParsnip: :-\ | 21:34 |
| Roasted | hi | 21:34 |
| Roasted | where are groups at in 12.04? | 21:34 |
| FernandoMiguel | ? | 21:34 |
| Roasted | I want to add myself to a group but I don't see how | 21:34 |
| ActionParsnip | Roasted: /etc/group as always... | 21:34 |
| ActionParsnip | Roasted: sudo usermod -a -G groupname user | 21:35 |
| Roasted | ActionParsnip, no, it used to be in the gui | 21:35 |
| Roasted | ActionParsnip, it was just removed? | 21:35 |
| FernandoMiguel | AFAIK we no longer support groups :) | 21:35 |
| ActionParsnip | Roasted: no idea, always used the cli as its so simple | 21:35 |
| FernandoMiguel | at least for desktop level | 21:35 |
| ActionParsnip | FernandoMiguel: why would we not? | 21:35 |
| Roasted | ActionParsnip, simple is besides the point. Point is I'm questioning why certain functionality was removed. | 21:35 |
| Roasted | FernandoMiguel, why? | 21:36 |
| FernandoMiguel | it's all done by apport or what ever is called | 21:36 |
| Roasted | that makes absolutely no sense | 21:36 |
| ActionParsnip | Roasted: then report a bug | 21:36 |
| bjsnider | just use the frigging command line | 21:36 |
| Roasted | ActionParsnip, that's why I'm here, to see if it's expected behavior or not. | 21:36 |
| FernandoMiguel | it's not a but, it's a feature | 21:36 |
| Roasted | bjsnider, see above. | 21:36 |
| ActionParsnip | Roasted: i'd report it anyway | 21:36 |
| Roasted | ActionParsnip, well sometimes they move options around. I didn't want to report it if it was simply moved elsewhere. | 21:36 |
| Roasted | FernandoMiguel, how is that a feature. | 21:36 |
| Roasted | FernandoMiguel, that's a feature being removed. | 21:36 |
| Roasted | FernandoMiguel, that is in no way shape or form a feature. | 21:37 |
| jbicha | Roasted: install gnome-system-tools | 21:41 |
| jbicha | Roasted: most people will be fine with User Accounts which lets you set a user as Administrator or not | 21:43 |
| jbicha | FernandoMiguel: please don't file bugs against ubuntu-docs unless they're actually ubuntu-docs bugs | 21:44 |
| FernandoMiguel | jbicha: it used to be the proper way to add notes to documentation | 21:46 |
| jbicha | FernandoMiguel: what documentation mentions the Android SDK? | 21:46 |
| FernandoMiguel | :| | 21:47 |
| FernandoMiguel | we do have wiki/help pages for it | 21:48 |
| FernandoMiguel | but! | 21:48 |
| FernandoMiguel | release notes need to contain the alert if it's "broken" on release date | 21:48 |
| Roasted | jbicha, gnome-system-tools provides a gui way to manage groups? | 21:51 |
| Roasted | hm, it's already installed.... | 21:51 |
| jbicha | Roasted: yes, it will installs users-admin which is the old tool you're used to | 21:51 |
| Roasted | what's it listed in the menu as? | 21:52 |
| Roasted | ah, users and groups? | 21:52 |
| Roasted | wow | 21:52 |
| Roasted | that's pretty stupid | 21:52 |
| jbicha | FernandoMiguel: the wiki is editable with only a Launchpad account ;-) | 21:52 |
| Roasted | a whole other gui with only that as the difference? | 21:52 |
| Roasted | that's a fail | 21:52 |
| jbicha | Roasted: no, from a UI perspective it's "deprecated" but it still works | 21:53 |
| FernandoMiguel | jbicha: I can edit the wiki, but I can't edit the release notes :) | 21:53 |
| Roasted | jbicha, so what's the future for gui's that manage groups? | 21:54 |
| Roasted | jbicha, is there none? | 21:54 |
| Roasted | I just don't see why you'd make another gui for that and remove functionality. That screams Mac so badly to me. :( | 21:54 |
| bjsnider | that would be of questionable value | 21:55 |
| jbicha | FernandoMiguel: actually that's a wiki too, but it's already mentioned (maybe not clearly) as part of the multiarch switch | 21:55 |
| jbicha | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Beta1#Upgrades | 21:55 |
| bjsnider | most people who edit group settings are doing so from the cli | 21:55 |
| FernandoMiguel | thank you | 21:55 |
| FernandoMiguel | jbicha: the limitation remains: google's android SDK won't run if user doesn't install a i386 lib :\ | 21:56 |
| Roasted | bjsnider, again, still stupid | 21:56 |
| Roasted | very disappointing | 21:56 |
| bjsnider | i don't see why | 21:57 |
| bjsnider | there are already 2 different ways to edit groups without a gui | 21:57 |
| Roasted | at least on mac I have an acl sort of listing for the folder | 21:57 |
| Roasted | I can just say, these 3 people, you have access to this folder without giving 777 rights | 21:57 |
| Roasted | and that works on mac | 21:57 |
| Roasted | without giving all 3 users a gruop, then assigning that group to the folder | 21:57 |
| Roasted | but in ubuntu, that doesn't exist. there is no acl, so the group thing was a nice work around. | 21:58 |
| Roasted | don't get me wrong, I'm a terminal junkie, but this creates a nightmare for me when training at work on this stuff. | 21:58 |
| jbicha | FernandoMiguel: my opinion is that that is a Google problem since it's not part of Ubuntu | 21:58 |
| FernandoMiguel | I agree | 21:58 |
| FernandoMiguel | hence why I filed on their BTS too | 21:58 |
| FernandoMiguel | and why I would like our release-notes to refer it | 21:59 |
| FernandoMiguel | but ill restest on a clean system and add to ubuntu wiki android page about it, instead | 21:59 |
| jbicha | I don't think there is a bug tracker for the release notes | 21:59 |
| FernandoMiguel | so how do we track what is needed to be added to it ? | 21:59 |
| FernandoMiguel | :) | 21:59 |
| FernandoMiguel | a tag? | 22:00 |
| bjsnider | Roasted, you're really asking for a feature that we probably should have | 22:00 |
| bjsnider | forget about the groups part of the argument. that is weak | 22:00 |
| jbicha | FernandoMiguel: it's a wiki so you either do it yourself or ask in #ubuntu-release | 22:01 |
| Roasted | bjsnider, I'm not understanding your angle. Are you saying we should have some sort of ACL ability like Mac has? | 22:02 |
| bjsnider | Roasted, yes | 22:02 |
| jbicha | that's just my opinion, the Ubuntu Docs team is so small that we can't really take care of other stuff too | 22:02 |
| Roasted | bjsnider, I agree. | 22:02 |
| Roasted | bjsnider, I used the groups as a work around, hence my frustration when ti was removed since we didn't have the ACL type of setup to begin with. | 22:02 |
| bjsnider | another workaround is 777 permissions | 22:03 |
| Roasted | lol | 22:03 |
| Roasted | because that's a logical solution | 22:03 |
| bjsnider | no, i said it's a workaround, not a solution | 22:04 |
| FernandoMiguel | bjsnider: http://blog.dreamhost.com/2012/03/08/pesky-permissions/ | 22:04 |
| airtonix | Roasted: re : group management > i agree. | 22:37 |
| leftyfb | I put 12.04 back to classic gnome ... how do I enable right-clicking items in the Applications menu so I can add them to the desktop and/or panel? | 22:53 |
| ActionParsnip | leftyfb: in the mean time if you copy the files from /usr/share/applications to the desktop, it will work | 22:53 |
| leftyfb | yep, I know that | 22:53 |
| leftyfb | and 4 other ways of accomplishing the same goal .. none of which are user friendly | 22:54 |
| ActionParsnip | leftyfb: was only a workaround til you get an answer. I'm not a mind reader so I wasn't aware you knew other ways. Jeez | 22:55 |
| FernandoMiguel | leftyfb: it's not meant to be user friendly. it's meant for users to use Unity :) | 22:56 |
| leftyfb | Unity is not user friendly | 22:56 |
| leftyfb | or productive | 22:56 |
| ActionParsnip | leftyfb: could just use xfce, no unity there and it feels a lot like Gnome2 | 22:56 |
| FernandoMiguel | to me it is | 22:56 |
| FernandoMiguel | after 3 cycles of getting better | 22:56 |
| FernandoMiguel | I used to feel it wasnt | 22:57 |
| FernandoMiguel | you just need to tweak it a bit to your way! ccsm to the rescue | 22:57 |
| leftyfb | FernandoMiguel: sorry, I don't like the coolaid | 22:57 |
| FernandoMiguel | give it a good try | 22:58 |
| FernandoMiguel | took me 18 months too :) | 22:58 |
| leftyfb | I have | 22:58 |
| leftyfb | many times | 22:58 |
| FernandoMiguel | in 12.04 ? | 22:58 |
| leftyfb | yes | 22:58 |
| leftyfb | it's garbage | 22:58 |
| FernandoMiguel | cause 11.x sucked | 22:58 |
| FernandoMiguel | I would disagree | 22:58 |
| FernandoMiguel | but you are intile to your opinion :) | 22:58 |
| leftyfb | good thing this is a linux community | 22:58 |
| leftyfb | or used t obe | 22:58 |
| ActionParsnip | FernandoMiguel: 'entitled' | 22:58 |
| FernandoMiguel | yeah, I noticed the typo :) | 22:59 |
| FernandoMiguel | uncommon word on my vocabulary :P | 22:59 |
| leftyfb | so ... right-clicking the Applications menu is another feature removed from Ubuntu? | 22:59 |
| ActionParsnip | leftyfb: in gnome, maybe | 23:00 |
| FernandoMiguel | it was already in 11.10 I think | 23:00 |
| ActionParsnip | leftyfb: works here in LXDE | 23:00 |
| ActionParsnip | leftyfb: so not removed from Ubuntu, as you say | 23:01 |
| FernandoMiguel | I don't want to start a word war, but using another WM/DE isn't exactly the aim of Ubuntu (for human beings) | 23:05 |
| FernandoMiguel | it's more of an option of linux | 23:06 |
| ActionParsnip | FernandoMiguel: why not? Kubuntu and Xubuntu exist and are equally supported | 23:06 |
| bjsnider | ActionParsnip, you know what he meant when he said "ubuntu" and it wasn't lxde | 23:09 |
| FernandoMiguel | :) | 23:09 |
| trism | either way, it wasn't ubuntu that removed, it was removed upstream http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-panel/commit/?id=c1ab7e84f6478a826a746d5999d95f2fcbe13d4f | 23:14 |
| jbicha | by the way, you can just drag shortcuts from the Applications menu to the panel or the desktop | 23:22 |
| ActionParsnip | bjsnider: ubuntu is the distro, you can use all manner of desktops in ubuntu | 23:24 |
| bjsnider | not the point | 23:24 |
| ActionParsnip | bjsnider: I am using ubuntu, and I can right click the menu and add icons to the desktop. That's the point | 23:25 |
| bjsnider | he didn't come in here to ask about lxde | 23:26 |
| ActionParsnip | bjsnider: he said the functionality was 'removed from linux' which it's not | 23:27 |
| ActionParsnip | bjsnider: removed from gnome.....maybe so | 23:27 |
| bjsnider | removed from ubuntu | 23:28 |
| ActionParsnip | bjsnider: its not | 23:28 |
| ActionParsnip | ok removed from ubuntu | 23:28 |
| ActionParsnip | but its not removed from ubuntu as I can do it and I am using ubuntu | 23:28 |
| bjsnider | you're using lubuntu | 23:29 |
| FernandoMiguel | is he ? | 23:29 |
| FernandoMiguel | did he change DE? | 23:29 |
| ActionParsnip | bjsnider: its ubuntu minimal + lxde | 23:29 |
| FernandoMiguel | or just WM ? | 23:29 |
| FernandoMiguel | I guess neither :P | 23:30 |
| ActionParsnip | bjsnider: i didn't install the lubuntu metapackage so my system still says ubuntu | 23:30 |
| ActionParsnip | ubuntu!= gnome | 23:30 |
| bjsnider | it really is | 23:31 |
| bjsnider | to be honest | 23:31 |
| bjsnider | it's unity with gnome underneath | 23:31 |
| FernandoMiguel | no, its unity :) | 23:31 |
| ActionParsnip | bjsnider: its not, ubuntu is the OS, gnome is just the default DE in the gnome based ubuntu | 23:31 |
| FernandoMiguel | the OS is GNU/Linux :D | 23:31 |
| ActionParsnip | yeah, but ubuntu is still the distro, no matter which DE you choose | 23:32 |
| FernandoMiguel | ahah | 23:32 |
| bjsnider | mark shuttleworth's own definition of ubuntu is that it is based on gnome | 23:32 |
| FernandoMiguel | or at least it was.... in the past | 23:33 |
| ActionParsnip | but the underlying OS is 100% identical. The gui on top does not transform it into something drastically differet | 23:33 |
| FernandoMiguel | I'm sure his view on the distro has changed a lot in the last 3 cycles | 23:33 |
| FernandoMiguel | ActionParsnip: I would disagree | 23:33 |
| bjsnider | no, he still says it's gnome with a different shell | 23:33 |
| FernandoMiguel | since it's being made to be used with touch | 23:33 |
| ActionParsnip | its the same X server, drivers and kernel | 23:33 |
| FernandoMiguel | and cross devices | 23:33 |
| ActionParsnip | 100% identicl | 23:34 |
| ActionParsnip | changing some default apps and the DE doesn't make it a whole lot different | 23:35 |
| ActionParsnip | its still ubuntu | 23:35 |
| yofel | if ubuntu is gnome with a different shell, then I wonder when "gnome" became "a shell, file manager and some other software that don't have much in common with each other than the gui toolkit developed by the same people" | 23:35 |
| bjsnider | i think that's an impossible case to make | 23:35 |
| bjsnider | yofel, you use kubuntu | 23:36 |
| yofel | well, I used gnome in the past, and that ^ definition definitely wasn't was gnome was back then | 23:36 |
| yofel | *what gnome was | 23:37 |
| bjsnider | back when? | 23:37 |
| yofel | jaunty? | 23:37 |
| yofel | something like that | 23:38 |
| ActionParsnip | its like when people say "I hate oneiric" and when asked why it's because they dislike Unity (which is fine) but Unity is only default installed in one of the 4 fully supported variants of ubuntu available... | 23:38 |
| ActionParsnip | so they don't hate oneiric, they hate unity | 23:38 |
| bjsnider | yofel, what are you trying to say? i don't understand | 23:38 |
| bjsnider | gnome used to be less ambitious? | 23:38 |
| FernandoMiguel | lefty has left :) you guys can relax again :D | 23:39 |
| bjsnider | i don't really care | 23:39 |
| ActionParsnip | I'm glad gnome did something bold tbh :) | 23:39 |
| yofel | I'm not saying that, gnome by itself is fine - but mark saying that ubuntu is gnome with "just" a different shell doesn't make sense | 23:39 |
| bjsnider | i want to argue about it anyway | 23:39 |
| bjsnider | yofel, but you're not arguing that he said it? | 23:40 |
| FernandoMiguel | aahha | 23:40 |
| bjsnider | because i can go out and get the quote | 23:40 |
| FernandoMiguel | I'll be on the sidelines ;) | 23:40 |
| yofel | I'm not, I know he said it | 23:40 |
| bjsnider | in earlier distros the default apps were gnome and the shell was gnome | 23:44 |
| ActionParsnip | bjsnider: I thought the shell was a new thing in Natty and later.. Is there a 'shell' in Lucid for example? | 23:46 |
| bjsnider | yes | 23:46 |
| bjsnider | gnome-panel | 23:46 |
| ActionParsnip | I thought it was Gnome DE + Metacity/Compiz WM.. | 23:46 |
| ActionParsnip | ahhhhh | 23:46 |
| ActionParsnip | bjsnider: makes sense now | 23:46 |
| ActionParsnip | bjsnider: thanks :) | 23:46 |
| bjsnider | metacity is gnome's wm. metacity 3 is now called mutter. gnome-shell replaced gnome-panel as the shell | 23:47 |
| bjsnider | you used to be able to replace metacity with compiz but still use gnome-panel as the shell | 23:48 |
| ActionParsnip | is mutter still developed? | 23:48 |
| bjsnider | most definitely | 23:48 |
| bjsnider | very much so | 23:48 |
| ActionParsnip | not heard much of it personally | 23:48 |
| bjsnider | it's very advanced | 23:49 |
| ActionParsnip | i'll look into it :) | 23:49 |
| bjsnider | it's tear-free by design, for example | 23:49 |
| bjsnider | it uses clutter for compositing | 23:50 |
| bjsnider | unity was based on it at first | 23:50 |
| bjsnider | i imagine that will happen again in the future | 23:51 |
| ActionParsnip | i only got into unity in Oneiric, lxde rules the roost here | 23:51 |
| ActionParsnip | its not bad | 23:51 |
| Roasted | hello! | 23:59 |
| Roasted | bjsnider, that's what gnome shell is based on, right? | 23:59 |
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