[13:26] <ashams> thelinuxer, have a sec?
[13:26] <ashams> you'll log out :)
[13:26] <ashams> :P
[13:26] <thelinuxer> ashams: i am thinking about logging out ...
[13:27] <ashams> thelinuxer, hehe
[13:27] <ashams> 2afashtak :P
[13:27] <ashams> bos ba2a, how can council monitor FGs activity?
[13:27] <ashams> it can not subscribe to their MLs
[13:27] <thelinuxer> ashams: ur going to tell me ? wala this is an actual question ?
[13:27] <ashams> right?
[13:28] <ashams> hehe :)
[13:28] <ashams> thelinuxer, take it easy, I won't bite
[13:28] <ashams> council members can not monitor FGs' activity through subscribing to MLs
[13:28] <ashams> ok?
[13:29] <thelinuxer> la2 i am asking begad ... ur building up 3ashan tewsal le argument wala betes2alny ..
[13:29] <ashams> 3ashan awsal le argument tab3an
[13:29] <ashams> but it can be a real question
[13:30] <ashams> thelinuxer,  really, do you have anything in mind to solve this?
[13:30] <thelinuxer>  well there are multiple answers to ur question
[13:30] <ashams> plz, it's not an ambush :-)
[13:30] <thelinuxer> 1. Join their mailing list
[13:30] <ashams> 2?
[13:30] <thelinuxer> 2. Follow tasks on launchpad (or something like it)
[13:30] <ashams> that's it :)
[13:31] <thelinuxer> 3. Make one council member monitor one FG
[13:31] <ashams> again, won't work
[13:31] <ashams> let me answer ba2a
[13:32] <ashams> 1st and 3rd, why should a council member join an FG if s/he is not interested
[13:32] <ashams> just being there to monitor them
[13:32] <ashams> this would be sucks
[13:32] <ashams> right?
[13:33] <thelinuxer> mesh lazem bas if there is another efficient way lets do it
[13:33] <ashams> yep, regestir a project on lp, and when someone/fg requests a task from another fg, it just opens a task
[13:33] <ashams> this way anyone can follow bugs/questions on that project
[13:34] <ashams> and everything is visible even to aliens :)
[13:34] <ashams> do you object?
[13:34] <thelinuxer> akeed la2
[13:34] <ashams> cool
[13:34] <ashams> one sec I'll bring you a link
[13:34] <ashams> :-)
[13:34] <ashams> man, I need your name it
[13:35] <ashams> it's you whose name should be recorded on it
[13:35] <ashams> thelinuxer, https://launchpad.net/projects/+new
[13:35] <ashams> are you ok with this?
[13:35] <thelinuxer> i am not sure ok with what ?
[13:36] <thelinuxer> what's with the name thing ?
[13:36] <ashams> with creating it, i mean
[13:36] <ashams> you were objecting before
[13:36] <ashams> but now, thanks god :)
[13:37] <ashams> 2nd point; plz, and for last time, I swear to God, why should we late some FG like Event Organizers?
[13:38] <thelinuxer> ashams: i never objected to creating a project!
[13:38] <thelinuxer> i was asking u what do u want me to do
[13:38] <ashams> Oh God, I'm stupid
[13:39] <thelinuxer> no ur not
[13:39] <thelinuxer> el mohem ur 2nd point
[13:39] <ashams> shoot :)
[13:39] <thelinuxer> elaborate more plz
[13:39] <ashams> ok
[13:39] <thelinuxer> brb
[13:41] <ashams> thelinuxer, you said: "That way we will be able more FGs on need basis at least." about postponing creating some FGs, how can't be a need for "Operators" and event "Organizers" ?
[13:41] <ashams> Wazery, Hi buddy
[13:42] <Wazery> hi ashams
[13:42] <ashams> Wazery, how are you doing?
[13:42] <ashams> do you have a sec?
[13:42] <Wazery> fine
[13:42] <Wazery> sure :)
[13:43] <ashams> el7
[13:43] <Wazery> I will continue editing the approval application now
[13:43] <ashams> do you object to create event "Organizers" and "Operators" ?
[13:43] <ashams> Wazery, Ok, dude, I appreciate what you do :D
[13:45] <Wazery> I cant understand this, please elaborate
[13:45] <ashams> ok
[13:46] <ashams> I mean that there's a need to create 2 FGs, "event Organizers" and "channels moderators" ?
[13:46] <ashams> do you see a need, as I do?
[13:46] <thelinuxer> back
[13:46] <ashams> wb
[13:46] <thelinuxer> ashams: please lets not that this one-on-one conversations ..
[13:46] <Wazery> ashams, maybe
[13:47] <thelinuxer> if we need an FG we will create
[13:47] <thelinuxer> just provide a proposal
[13:47] <ashams> ok i propose to create 2 FGs, Organizers and Operators?
[13:48] <ashams> organizers to help with doing everything with organizing an event
[13:48] <thelinuxer> lol
[13:49] <thelinuxer> this is called lobbying :D
[13:49] <ashams> yeah, I tried and it worked :P
[13:49] <thelinuxer> bos the 5 council members should be present when u discuss ur idea
[13:49] <ashams> ok, I'm not asking you to action it
[13:50] <ashams> just you guys agree?
[13:50] <ashams> thelinuxer, Wazery ^^
[13:50] <thelinuxer> i am approving of the method itself
[13:50] <ashams> what you mean?
[13:50] <thelinuxer> is this collecting our votes in private ?
[13:51] <thelinuxer> walla estefsar keda law el fekra 7elwa walla la2 ?
[13:51] <ashams> noooooo, I just want to know
[13:51] <ashams> I'm curios ya akhi
[13:51] <thelinuxer> enta 3arefny ba2eet saye2 el neya belnesbalak :D
[13:51] <ashams> thelinuxer, I know, and me too to you, btw
[13:52] <thelinuxer> thelinuxer: u have no reason for that ...
[13:52] <thelinuxer> i have a million
[13:52] <ashams> especially when you started to send msgs outside the council ml, cuz you think ppl have filtered it out and thus not responding
[13:53] <thelinuxer> at least i sent everything to everyone!
[13:53] <ashams> and, I knew from the first second I saw you set council as team admin that you contacted Karim individually :)
[13:53] <thelinuxer> i didn't contact him :)
[13:53] <ashams> dam you said that you contacted him on the meeting
[13:53] <ashams> damn* :P
[13:53] <thelinuxer> nope i didn't
[13:54] <ashams> yes, you did
[13:54] <thelinuxer> i said i can't find a reason to ask him to do anything
[13:54] <thelinuxer> since i have the privilege to make the council admins
[13:54] <ashams> 2a2ta3 dera3i men la3'lo3'o you said you contacted Karim
[13:54] <thelinuxer> and even if i contacted karim fayez individually that's a lot better than making a scene out of it!
[13:55] <thelinuxer> wallahy i never said it! and should trust me when i tell u something!
[13:55] <ashams> Ok, I'll go ask Karim :P
[13:55] <ashams> hehehehe :D
[13:55] <thelinuxer> and the point itself is really irrelevant!
[13:55] <ashams> yep
[13:55] <thelinuxer> karim is outside the council set
[13:55] <thelinuxer> he is not making any decisions currently
[13:55] <ashams> do you agree with creating those 2 FGs?
[13:56] <ashams> by yourself?
[13:56] <ashams> just taking an opinion
[13:56] <ashams> mesh 7aram ya3ni
[13:56] <thelinuxer> no objections what so ever on creating any team that will tasks to do for the community
[13:57] <ashams> ahhhhhhhhhh, finally
[13:57] <ashams> thnx
[13:57] <ashams> one more thing
[13:58] <ashams> thelinuxer, I want to create a team (-devel) to use it for mentorship
[13:58] <thelinuxer> lol
[13:58] <ashams> then I have a project in mind that the whole team can work out :)
[13:58] <ashams> yeah, lol
[13:58] <thelinuxer> didn't u say this is not one of the locos objectives ?
[13:58] <thelinuxer> ;)
[13:58] <ashams> let me mail you about that project and mentorship with more details
[13:59] <ashams> no I didn't say it
[13:59] <ashams> I swear
[13:59] <thelinuxer> when i was talking about the development FG
[13:59] <ashams> I said, let's split FGs from our educational efforts
[13:59] <thelinuxer> and will teach people packaging as an intro to ubuntu development
[13:59] <ashams> may be I misunderstood you dude
[13:59] <thelinuxer> ok np
[13:59] <ashams> but seriously, I love this idea
[13:59] <thelinuxer> just make the proposal
[14:00] <ashams> OK
[14:00] <thelinuxer> if we have only one person working in the team we can create a team
[14:00] <ashams> Im making it and don't dare you to object then
[14:00] <thelinuxer> as long as it has a separate objective from the others
[14:00] <ashams> It would be me :D
[14:00] <ashams> ok, sure
[14:00] <thelinuxer> ya3ny eih would be me ?
[14:01] <ashams> "<thelinuxer> if we have only one person working in the team we can create a team" => That would be me that person
[14:01] <thelinuxer> ok
[14:01] <ashams> :D
[14:01] <thelinuxer> create the team and don't forget to the council as owner
[14:02] <ashams> ok, I'll make a proposal, to describe the whole thing, you guys will like the project idea, I swear
[14:02] <thelinuxer> bos rule of thumb ..
[14:03] <thelinuxer> law it's direct contribution to ubuntu itself .. it's fine
[14:03] <thelinuxer> law for our internal structure then we need to talk
[14:03] <ashams> it is to the whole community
[14:03] <ashams> not even ubuntu only
[14:03] <ashams> linux as a whole
[14:03] <thelinuxer> u didn't understand me ..
[14:03] <ashams> and I think it wasn't created before
[14:03] <thelinuxer> fe 7agat internal structure
[14:03] <thelinuxer> we fe 7agat el donia ely barra
[14:03] <ashams> what you mean?
[14:04] <ashams> ok, I need elaboration
[14:04] <thelinuxer> law el donia ely barra yeb2a akeed we can make whatever contributions u want
[14:04] <thelinuxer> laken law internal structure we need to talk
[14:04] <ashams> how can be a project related to "internal structure" ?
[14:04] <ashams> it's educational
[14:05] <thelinuxer> it can be internal law el website masalan
[14:05] <thelinuxer> soma we were talking about a team not specifically a project
[14:05] <ashams> ok, I got it
[14:06] <thelinuxer> cool
[14:24] <ashams> thelinuxer, Wazery : ok, I sent it
[14:24] <thelinuxer> ashams: reading it
[14:24] <thelinuxer> and will reply isA
[14:25] <ashams> cool, thanks
[14:26] <ashams> ppl not on the council ML, you can reach it here: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-eg-council/msg00246.html
[14:36] <ashams> thelinuxer, sorry for beibg that very annoying, plz bear with me, have reg'd the ubuntu-eg project to lp?
[14:36] <thelinuxer> ashams: no i haven't
[14:37] <thelinuxer> do u want it now ?
[14:37] <ashams> when you have time of course :D
[14:37] <thelinuxer> tayeb r we sure about everything ?
[14:38] <ashams> I suggest to make -council as maintainer and ubuntu-eg as driver
[14:38] <thelinuxer> ashams: cause deleting a project will require a launchpad admin
[14:38] <ashams> Yes, I hope so, don't worry
[14:38] <ashams> if it failed we'll keep it for history
[14:38] <ashams> plus, I did request many project s to be deleted before
[14:38] <ashams> :)
[14:39] <thelinuxer> lol
[14:39] <thelinuxer> tayeb i will create it
[14:39] <thelinuxer> bas y can't u create it ?
[14:39] <thelinuxer> eih el moshkela ?
[14:39] <thelinuxer> i am creating it right now
[14:39] <thelinuxer> project name "ubuntu-eg" right ?
[14:40] <ashams> sure dude
[14:40] <ashams> yay
[14:40] <thelinuxer> Title "Ubuntu Egypt Development"
[14:40] <ashams> nope, just ubuntu egypt
[14:40] <ashams> it will be used to track FGs work
[14:40] <ashams> do what you see best
[14:41] <thelinuxer> ok
[14:41] <ashams> coooool
[14:41] <ashams> :D
[14:41] <thelinuxer> Summary ?
[14:41] <thelinuxer> give it to me 3ashan mesh 7a3od afakkar ana :D
[14:42] <ashams> heck, you estebzazy ;)
[14:47] <thelinuxer> ashams: ana 3amalt el project https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-eg
[14:47] <thelinuxer> ana shayef el maintainer yekoon ubuntu-eg-ouncil
[14:47] <ashams> heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiih
[14:48] <ashams> yep, I +1 this :D
[14:48] <thelinuxer> bas sa7ee7 is it right to track el 7agat deh 3ala launchpad?
[14:48] <thelinuxer> ya3ny r there any other team doing it ?
[14:48] <ashams> ubuntu-community does it along time ago :D
[14:48] <ashams> and driver ubuntu-eg, I guess, what you think
[14:49] <thelinuxer> hmm ..
[14:49] <thelinuxer> dah eih el permission beta3et el driver?
[14:49] <ashams> I dont' know it exactly, but it's much lesser than el maintainer
[14:49] <ashams> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-community
[14:50] <thelinuxer> tayeb lets leave it like that till we have a need to change it
[14:50] <ashams> dude, you sat -council as driver right?
[14:50] <thelinuxer> yes
[14:51] <thelinuxer> maintainer and driver
[14:51] <ashams> from here, I have no control on anything
[14:51] <thelinuxer> try a gain
[14:51] <thelinuxer> again*
[14:51] <ashams> yep, saw it now
[14:52] <ashams> ok, I'll search for Driver privilages and ping you back :D
[14:52] <ashams> ah, hasally el3asr first
[14:52] <thelinuxer> ok
[14:53] <ashams> thelinuxer, https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/Registering#Roles_within_projects
[14:54] <thelinuxer> hmmm ...
[14:55] <thelinuxer> we will able to assign bugs to a whole team ?
[14:56] <thelinuxer> yes we can
[14:56] <thelinuxer> 7'alas i configured the bugs tracker
[14:56] <thelinuxer> and we cann assign a bug to a whole team
[14:56] <thelinuxer> i think this is exactly what we want ...
[14:59] <thelinuxer> ashams: ping ^
[15:13] <ashams> thelinuxer, yes, I think
[15:21] <thelinuxer> ashams: tab cool
[15:22] <ashams> :D
[15:25] <thelinuxer> ashams: i will try to make some bugs on bug squad and art
[15:28] <thelinuxer> ashams: sorry i meant support squad
[15:29] <ashams> ok, cool
[15:29] <ashams> test it ya man
[15:30] <ashams> have fun :D
[15:30] <ashams> Y u ask me? :)
[15:32] <thelinuxer> howa 3ashan i will be assigning tasks like creating the banner for 3000 members we keda
[15:33] <ashams> cool ya man, ok, file a bug or question and assign it to -art
[15:33] <ashams> :D
[15:34] <thelinuxer> yes but i am waiting for the mailing list to be created
[15:34] <ashams> ok, lets' create it
[15:34] <ashams> one sec
[15:34] <thelinuxer> i created it
[15:34] <ashams> cool
[15:34] <thelinuxer> just waiting for launchpad to complete the process
[15:34] <ashams> ah, ok :)
[15:36] <ashams> you can get notified by each question: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-eg/+answer-contact
[15:37] <thelinuxer> oh boy! this is gonna cause some headache :)
[15:37] <ashams> hehe, not yet :P
[15:37] <ashams> and subscribe to bug traffic too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-eg/+subscribe
[15:39] <thelinuxer> now i have to ask wazery to join the mailing list!
[15:39] <ashams> hahahaha :D
[15:39] <thelinuxer> ashams: leeh mesh implicit talama managed from launchpad ..
[15:39] <ashams> implicit means what?
[15:40] <thelinuxer> ya3ny talama ur a member yeb2a u subscribe automatically to the team's mailing list
[15:41] <ashams> ah, that's stupid thing, launchpad is bulky
[15:41] <thelinuxer> yes it is!
[15:41] <ashams> I tried the poll thing, It drove me crazy, just to type in the date to start a poll
[15:41] <ashams> there's no pointers on the polls page it
[15:42] <ashams> ambiguous
[15:43] <thelinuxer> !
[15:43] <ashams> oh, that ambiguous exclamation
[15:43] <thelinuxer> lol
[15:43] <ashams> but it still beautiful :D
[15:44] <thelinuxer> do u know anything about squid ?
[15:44] <ashams> heck, what is squid aslan? :D
[15:44] <ashams> never mind :D
[15:44] <thelinuxer> caching server AFAICR
[15:45] <ashams> man, forget about it, you're keeping spitting weird terms :P
[15:46] <thelinuxer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squid_%28software%29
[15:47] <ashams> cool. checking it, thnx
[15:47] <thelinuxer> ashams: AFAICR, As Far As I Can Remember.
[15:47] <thelinuxer> ashams: btw ...
[15:47] <ashams> ya ragel, wana elli eftakrtaha 7aga hi-tech :D
[15:48] <thelinuxer> i tried to make some updates to my package ..
[15:48] <thelinuxer> i found out i totally forget everything about packaging :D
[15:48] <thelinuxer> ashams: looooooool, just google it man!
[15:48] <ashams> LOL
[15:48] <ashams> ok, time to remember, you'll be listed on mentors page for -devel team
[15:49] <ashams> for packaging
[15:49] <ashams> :D
[15:49] <thelinuxer> ha2ow!
[15:49] <ashams> hahahahahaahahahahaha :D
[15:49] <thelinuxer> :D
[15:49] <ashams> seriously, you'll
[15:49] <thelinuxer> ana 3ayez agaza osboo3 men ely ana feeh dah 3ashan azaker all things related to packaging ..
[15:49] <thelinuxer> begad there is too much documentation!
[15:50] <thelinuxer> we 7agat le python we 7agat le Qt
[15:50] <thelinuxer> and different tools that does exactly the same thing
[15:50] <thelinuxer> matahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
[15:50] <ashams> yeah, you'll be listed for Qt too :P
[15:50] <ashams> yep, I'm lost in it about 2 and half years now :D
[15:52] <thelinuxer> Qt zay el fol we7'demak fe ay wa2t ..
[15:52] <thelinuxer> bas el packaging is a real nightmare
[15:52] <ashams> ok, let's start with Qt
[15:53] <ashams> and somehow we'll replace packaging with UDD
[15:53] <ashams> Ubuntu Distributed Development, using Bazaar
[15:53] <thelinuxer> ashams: check this question
[15:53] <thelinuxer> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/190347
[15:53] <thelinuxer> UDD isn't different from packaging
[15:53] <thelinuxer> ur pkg just live in bzr
[15:54] <thelinuxer> and is automatically built for your distro every night for continuous integration purposes
[15:54] <ashams> yep, but it;s a bit easier
[15:54] <thelinuxer> still researching it but I don't think it's easier
[15:54] <thelinuxer> the core task is the same
[15:55] <ashams> have you seen dholbach's development guide
[15:55] <ashams> ?
[15:55] <thelinuxer> yes but didn't have the time to read
[15:55] <thelinuxer> he sent to me when i was telling him i will give a packaging session
[15:55] <thelinuxer> but things got crazy at my end
[15:58] <ashams> yeah, it always go crazy
[15:58] <ashams> hope some1 will answer that question, or even fix it :D
[16:00] <thelinuxer> ya raaaaaaaab
[16:01] <ashams> haha ;)
[16:06] <thelinuxer> ashams: i will go now
[16:06] <thelinuxer> catch u later man
[17:38] <seiflotfy> hi ashams
[17:39] <ashams> hey buddy, how r u doing? :-) seiflotfy
[17:55] <MohamedAlaa98> hi all
[17:55] <MohamedAlaa98> :D
[17:56] <ashams> hi ;)
[17:56] <MohamedAlaa98> how are you?
[17:57] <ashams> fine, ya man
[17:57] <ashams> how u?
[17:57] <MohamedAlaa98> fine :D
[17:58] <ashams> el7amdo lellah
[17:59] <MohamedAlaa98> enta feen men zaman  ,nezelt tesaly elesha we ekhtafet ba3daha ;)
[18:00] <ashams> haha
[18:00] <ashams> LOL :D
[18:03]  * ashams yawns
[18:04] <ashams> I have to sleep, about to reach 36 hrs awake
[18:04] <ashams> ttyl
[18:04] <MohamedAlaa98> Wow
[18:04] <ashams> yeah
[18:04] <ashams> :)
[18:05] <ashams> bye
[18:05] <seiflotfy> im fine
[18:05] <seiflotfy> kinda busy as usual
[18:05] <MohamedAlaa98> Tesba7 3ala 5eer
[18:05] <MohamedAlaa98> bye
[18:05] <seiflotfy> n8
[18:08] <MohamedAlaa98> you're always busy, what do you do?
[18:10] <MohamedAlaa98> Didn't finish your job yesterday?