[00:00] <apachelogger> that of course can easily result in a lot of component files so it is not prefect either ;)
[00:00] <apachelogger> rbelem: did we get a design for UDS app :P
[00:03] <bulldog98> apachelogger: how am I supposed to set the visibility of the buttons if I can’t get access to the currentPage
[00:03] <bulldog98> atm
[00:04] <bulldog98> onCurrentPageChanged: {
[00:04] <bulldog98> back.visible =currentPage.back
[00:04] <bulldog98> gives me an error saying currentPage would be undefined
[00:06] <apachelogger> well, where is currentPage?
[00:47] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I made it work and pushed
[00:48] <bulldog98> check again if this is better for you
[01:46] <bulldog98> apachelogger: slideshow finished (only effects left)
[01:52]  * bulldog98 is off for sleep
[02:55] <ybit> is there anything like wubi in the works for kubuntu?
[02:59] <jalcine> ybit: well, I guess that if you can install Ubuntu, you could just install KDE on top of it.
[03:07] <ybit> it's true 
[03:08] <ybit> but i would prefer not to walk them through this and just have it by default :)
[03:08] <jalcine> ybit: but I guess your looking for a Kubuntu-based Wubi.
[03:08] <jalcine> Hm, I think that Wubi's made from a squashfs expanded out onto the disk.
[03:08] <jalcine> I guess if you take the live session off of a disc for Kubuntu and replace that with the one typically made with Wubi you could make Kubi :)
[03:50] <rbelem> apachelogger, that time the designer was busy, but i forgot to poke him later
[03:50] <rbelem> apachelogger, i will poke him again tomorrow
[03:50] <rbelem> :-)
[04:04] <ScottK> \o/ qtwebkit built on all arch thanks to infinity.
[04:05] <rbelem> :-D
[04:54] <Linkmaster> I have a question/idea of a KDE implementation we could on Kubuntu - The activity feature is nice, since it lets us change the desktop widgets and all that good stuff...but what if we can make it change the interface as well? I tried doing that, and the changes I made to my panels, docks, etc. showed up on all my desktops. Is there anyway it can be made that each activity is literally entirely new? or would that be a massive resource 
[04:54] <Linkmaster> hog?
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[06:31] <webjadmin_> g'night
[08:40] <bulldog98> Linkmaster: not yet aaron and the other plasma devs are working on that
[08:50] <Riddell> there's lots that need done to activities to make them understandable
[08:51] <Riddell> I think we should link virtual desktops to activities in Kubuntu by default
[09:12] <bulldog98> Riddell: to tell the truth I don’t use virtual desktops anymore. activities for the win :)
[09:14] <Riddell> bulldog98: right, they are redundant if you get into activities
[09:15] <Riddell> bulldog98: the main thing I don't like about activities is there is no pager and there is no animation on transition
[09:15] <Riddell> which confused the heck out of me when pressing win-tab accidently
[09:16] <bulldog98> Riddell: yeah I talked to mgrasslin about that and he told me there is simply no way to animate that stuff
[09:17] <Riddell> bulldog98: not setting to do it or no way for programmers to add it?
[09:17] <Riddell> I can't imagine it being impossible for programmers to add
[09:18] <bulldog98> Riddell: he told me about some tecnical limitations
[09:19] <Riddell> hmm, I'd like to see it with an animation similar to virtual desktops, you could have cube for activities and slide for desktops for example
[09:19] <Riddell> but if it can't be added programmicly that's curious
[09:20] <bulldog98> Riddell: as Martin for details
[09:33] <Riddell> happy belated birthday tsdgeos :)
[09:33] <tsdgeos> Riddell: tx :-)
[09:42] <jussi> Riddell: soemthing for you :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdjY6oy4Y2c
[09:43]  * jussi laughs manically
[09:43] <brestows> Hi 
[09:43] <jussi> hi brestows!!
[09:43] <brestows>  how use svg tiny animations in Qt ?
[09:46] <Riddell> jussi: oh no the empire has invaded Scotland!
[09:46] <jussi> hehe
[09:46] <Riddell> brestows: you'd need to ask in a Qt channel for that (or look at docs or find a programme that already does it and take inspiration).  I suspect Qt doesn't do SVG animations
[09:46] <Riddell> maybe QtWebkit does
[09:47] <bulldog98> tsdgeos: happy brthday
[09:47] <brestows> Riddell: ok will try
[09:48] <tsdgeos> bulldog98: thanks
[10:24] <tsdgeos> Riddell: we need http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/9ae6f2f9a57f0c3096d5785913e437953fa6775c in our Qt asap
[10:24] <tsdgeos> otherwise i plan to bring JohnFlux to bring stupid broken chars here and crash all our irc clients
[10:26] <Riddell> nice article http://www.thepowerbase.com/2012/03/the-kubuntu-commitment/
[10:26] <Riddell> that is a seriously old photo they dug up (and not even an ubuntu event)
[10:26] <Riddell> tsdgeos: looking
[10:27] <Riddell> wouldn't want death by oriental script!
[10:28] <jussi> Riddell: awww, you were such a young un there
[10:29] <jussi> (nice article though)
[10:30] <tsdgeos> Riddell: ask JohnFlux for a crashing text, he just psated it in #qt-labs and i needed to delete by client history to be able of getting in there again
[10:30] <Riddell> tsdgeos: will you be reporting this on https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-18170 ?
[10:31] <tsdgeos> Riddell: well, the other bug is linked, no?
[10:31] <Riddell> jussi: yeah and it makes nat friendman and jdub look like kubuntu developers :)
[10:31] <tsdgeos> Related to QTBUG-17238
[10:32] <bulldog98> btw why do I always get certificate warings if I try to open any qt site?
[10:32] <Riddell> oh I need to learn how to use the qt bugtracker better
[10:32] <Riddell> tsdgeos: will you be adding it to https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-17238 ?
[10:32] <jussi> Riddell: hehe
[10:32] <Riddell> or did it come from there?
[10:33] <Riddell> bulldog98: "The root certificate authority's certificate is not trusted for this purpose"  root certificate needs added to KDE's list?
[10:33] <Riddell> or is it Qt's list now?
[10:33] <Riddell> that would be ironic
[10:34] <tsdgeos> Riddell: it's there already
[10:34] <Riddell> tsdgeos: the patch is?
[10:34] <tsdgeos> Changes:
[10:34] <tsdgeos> 9ae6f2f9a57f0c3096d5785913e437953fa6775c
[10:34] <Riddell> lovely, I'll get that uploaded
[10:34] <tsdgeos> yes ↑
[10:34] <Riddell> tsdgeos: know the answer to where SSL certs for KDE are kept now?
[10:34] <tsdgeos> Riddell: same place as always?
[10:35] <Riddell> tsdgeos: still in kdelibs?
[10:36] <Riddell> looks like kdelibs/kio/kssl/kssl
[10:36] <Riddell> bulldog98: if you want to get that fixed e-mail richard moore to query
[10:36] <Riddell> or check for existing bugs
[10:37] <bulldog98> Riddell: no that isn’t the problem its projects.forum.nokia.com using the projects.developer.nokia.com cert
[10:37] <Riddell> bulldog98: I get it on bugreports.qt-project.org too in rekonq
[10:37] <Riddell> but not firefox
[10:38] <bulldog98> Riddell: that site works for me tm
[10:38] <bulldog98> grmls: hi
[10:38] <grmls> bulldog98: hi
[10:52] <Linkmaster> Thats awesome, I wanted to get my idea out there, but it seems someone thought of it before me, which is good (: 
[10:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger why haven't you guys filled in the doodle thing
[10:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I didn't know we had one
[10:56] <Riddell> where isit?
[10:57] <shadeslayer> sec
[10:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.doodle.com/exzyt9wtfgsndd8b
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[10:58] <bulldog98> Riddell: what do you think, should I rewrite the keyboard showing stuff or should I try to export that to qml
[11:01] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: oh dude, while you're at it, could you add a choosing wireless network dialog?
[11:01] <shadeslayer> in QML Ubiquity
[11:02]  * shadeslayer sucks at QML
[11:04] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I could do that
[11:04] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:04] <Riddell> bulldog98: why would you rewrite it?
[11:05] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: but there is higher priority stuff
[11:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that's non trivial
[11:05] <bulldog98> Riddell: don’t know was just asking
[11:05] <Riddell> the ubuntu desktop way is just to use network-manager-gnome
[11:05] <Riddell> there's probably a way to insert KSNI items into QML?  in which case we could use plasma-widget-networkmanagement easily
[11:06] <Riddell> bulldog98: if it needs rewriting then do that but I wouldn't think there's any reason it would, just adept it to QML
[11:06] <bulldog98> Riddell: KSNI?
[11:06] <Riddell> adapt
[11:06] <Riddell> KStatusNotifierItem I think, the KDE class for what replaced the systray tray (and called indicator applets in unity)
[11:06] <bulldog98> Riddell: sounds like it would be the right way to go
[11:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: that's what I meant
[11:07] <shadeslayer> Figure out a way to insert the network plasmoid into the QML version of ubiquity
[11:07] <Riddell> agateau, afiestas: know if embedding plasma-widget-networkmanagement into a QML ubiquity installer would be possible?
[11:09] <afiestas> it should be
[11:09] <afiestas> theory says everything can be embedded into a QML1 since it is still using QGV
[11:11] <Riddell> agateau: and QML 2 doesn't?
[11:11] <afiestas> QML2 will be pure opengl, not sure if we will be able to do such hack
[11:12] <Riddell> afiestas: oh?  how does that work for unity-2d where they use QML for non GL needs
[11:12] <afiestas> good news though lamarque and another Brasilian hacker are porting the plasmoid to qml
[11:12] <Riddell> I seem to remember at FOSDEM they said it was all good for non-GL
[11:12] <afiestas> Riddell: they are using QML1, not QMl2
[11:12] <Riddell> afiestas: sure but can you use QML 1 with Qt 5?
[11:13] <afiestas> yes
[11:13] <Riddell> well that's lucky, like QtWebKit 1 not going away i guess
[11:13] <afiestas> Qt5 won't remove any technology but split them
[11:13] <Riddell> just deprecate them 
[11:14] <afiestas> well I guess taht we will see somebody taking up QWidgets maitarnership 
[11:14] <afiestas> Digia for example
[11:15] <shadeslayer> I guess it'll be like Qt3Support ?
[11:15] <Riddell> yes
[11:15] <shadeslayer> New KDevelop tarballs up
[11:15] <Riddell> but QtWebkit 1 I expect to be unmaintained
[11:15] <Riddell> which isn't great for rekonq
[11:15] <shadeslayer> yeah
[11:16] <shadeslayer> I guess someone might do a GSoC and re write it in QtWebkit2
[11:16] <Riddell> tsdgeos: qt uploaded, sorry for the delay
[11:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's not rekonq that needs rewritten, it's kdewebkit
[11:16] <Riddell> and that needs done within the webkit project rather than within kde
[11:17] <shadeslayer> s/rekonq/kdewebkit then
[11:17] <tsdgeos> Riddell: it's ok :-)
[11:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's not GSoC material, way above that
[11:17] <shadeslayer> well, I'm not sure what custom stuff KDE does in kdewebkit
[11:17] <shadeslayer> pretty thin wrapper from what I recall
[11:17] <Riddell> use kioslaves, KDE cache, wallet etc
[11:17] <Riddell> favicons
[11:25] <schnelle_> Riddell: qt 4.8 is still not patched for ghost taskbar entries bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/911733
[11:25] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 911733 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "Patch Qt to fix annoying KDE bug 275469 (ghost taskbar entries)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:25] <schnelle_> this is fixed over 3 months ago
[11:25] <schnelle_> please guys dont forget about these patches :)
[11:26] <Riddell> schnelle_: are you able to update the packaging?
[11:26] <schnelle_> no :(
[11:27] <schnelle_> i am only bug reporting/testing at the moment... and slowly learning how to package when i have spare time :)
[11:35] <shadeslayer> oh
[11:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how did you get ktp to work with message indicator?
[11:35] <Tm_T> ktp?
[11:35] <shadeslayer> KDE Telepathy
[11:35] <Tm_T> ah
[11:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: instal telepathy-indicator:
[11:41] <Riddell> and run /usr/bin/telepathy-indicator
[11:41] <Riddell> but it'll bring in a load of GTK stuff
[11:42] <Riddell> so we need to convince agateau to rewrite it in Qt :)
[11:42] <shadeslayer> hehe
[11:42] <shadeslayer> Brings in libunity9 .... nope
[11:43] <Riddell> or just to patch ktp-approver to talk to MI maybe
[11:43] <Riddell> "just"
[11:45] <shadeslayer> how difficult would that be?
[11:45] <shadeslayer> Step 1: Check if MI is running
[11:45] <shadeslayer> Step 2: Send text to MI for notification if Step 1 returns true
[11:45] <bulldog98> Riddell: how can I test ubiquity?
[11:45] <shadeslayer> agateau: does MI offer a dbus interface?
[11:46] <bulldog98> do I really have to build a deb package and install it?
[11:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so easy right?
[11:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: agateau will know more
[11:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: *sounds* easy :P
[11:47] <Riddell> bulldog98: I install ubiquity and copy changes to files in the install and run that, but only for steps before formatting!
[11:47] <Riddell> for steps after formatting it needs either a virtual box or to run from a live system where you don't mind formatting a disk (can be USB)
[11:48] <bulldog98> hm
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Hey all
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[12:03] <tsdgeos> Riddell: i see that http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/9ae6f2f9a57f0c3096d5785913e437953fa6775c is actually there already :_S
[12:04] <tsdgeos> since 7 months
[12:04]  * tsdgeos confused
[12:05] <Riddell> tsdgeos: in 4.8?
[12:05] <tsdgeos> Riddell: it's in our packages
[12:06] <tsdgeos> i mean the line is there if i edit the file in the qt4-x11 package i had got from apt-get source from last week 
[12:07] <Riddell> tsdgeos: hum, yes I agree
[12:08] <Riddell> now we have it twice
[12:08] <tsdgeos> sorry
[12:08]  * tsdgeos hits himself
[12:08] <Riddell> hey, this is a non-violent channel!
[12:09] <tsdgeos> sorry
[12:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Cause I always have time, unless I do not have time in which case I'd not know about it beforehand because I always have time
[12:48] <apachelogger> friends! please be trying the splash themes in the kubuntu-experimental ppa
[12:48] <apachelogger> (install plymouth-themeblahblah-kubuntu-blahblah and kubuntu-default-settings)
[12:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what
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[12:53] <ulysses> apachelogger: can't find plymouth-themeblahblah-kubuntu-blahblah (oneiric)
[12:53] <apachelogger> only precise
[12:53] <ulysses> :'(
[12:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Will let you know when the upgrade is done
[12:58] <bulldog98> apachelogger: plymouth splash looks good
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[12:59] <apachelogger> does it make startup noticable slower?
[13:05] <bulldog98> apachelogger: hm haven’t noticed a thing
[13:14] <afiestas> Haven't said anything because I was checking dates, but I will be sponsored for going to UDS :)
[13:18] <bulldog98> Riddell: how should I start it just tipping ubiquity?
[13:19] <Riddell> bulldog98: pardon?
[13:19] <Riddell> I don't understand tipping
[13:19] <bulldog98> Riddell: $ ubiquity
[13:19] <bulldog98> does that start it?
[13:21] <Riddell> bulldog98: umm I think so
[13:21] <Riddell> ubiquity --frontend kde_ui maybe?
[13:21] <Riddell> it'll be obvious when it's installed no?
[13:22] <bulldog98> hm it doesn’t give any feedback, so I’d guess it’s not working
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[14:04] <agateau> Riddell: shadeslayer: sorry, forgot to turn my irc client back on after lunch :/
[14:04] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:04] <shadeslayer> agateau: does MI have a DBus interface I can play with?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> I didn't see one
[14:05] <agateau> shadeslayer: m.i does have a dbus interface, but more importantly, there is libindicate-qt, which provides a simpler binding to use it
[14:05] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[14:05]  * Riddell steals agateau's baguette
[14:05] <agateau> shadeslayer: http://agateau.github.com/presentations/2009/indicate-qt_uds-lucid/indicate-qt.html
[14:05] <agateau> shadeslayer: this is a presentation I (didn't) gave about using libindicate-qt
[14:06] <agateau> Riddell: my precious!
[14:06] <shadeslayer> cool!
[14:06] <agateau> shadeslayer: ping me if something is unclear
[14:06] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:07] <shadeslayer> agateau: that looks pretty simple! :D
[14:08] <shadeslayer> Just quickly went over the slides
[14:08] <shadeslayer> bbiab
[14:18] <Riddell> Blizzz: were you at cebit in a smart shirt?
[14:21] <Blizzz> Riddell: i have been at cebit, yes. if you mean the owncloud one with smart, then yes ;) unfortunately i did not see you
[14:22] <Riddell> Blizzz: yeah I was busy the whole day and didn't get to find you after to invite you for a late night free beer on the kde stand
[14:26] <Blizzz> Riddell: a pity, i would have appreciated it a lot :) you have been there only one day, right? 
[14:27] <Riddell> yes, a quick visit
[14:28] <Riddell> obviously by free beer I mean one taken from one of the other stands :)
[14:28] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Would you please go through https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde-telepathy/+bug/932833 and mark the ones fix released that have been promoted.
[14:28] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 932833 in ktp-auth-handler (Ubuntu) "[MIR] telepathy-kde" [Undecided,New]
[14:28]  * shadeslayer looks
[14:31] <soee> hi
[14:32] <shadeslayer> hi soee
[14:33] <soee> sny idea how can i  remove GNOME from my system? i have had Ubuntu 11.10 installed on this machine, than KDE installed and now i want to remove GNOME
[14:36] <shadeslayer> ScottK: all done
[14:36] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Thanks.
[14:41] <Blizzz> Riddell: hehe ;) next time you also drop by our booth. There is free coffee throughout the day and sometimes free beer in the eve (if other stands did not take everything already ;) )
[14:42] <Riddell> Blizzz: I didn't see it, was it in building 2?
[14:43] <Blizzz> Riddell: yes, as part of the univention booth. on the corner opposite to Zarafa and Fujitsu
[14:44] <Riddell> mm, didn't see it alas
[14:45] <Blizzz> maybe because it was mainly red instead of the common and familiar blue ;)
[15:14]  * bulldog98_ dances with Riddell since I managed to get the keyboard loaded via qml
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[15:19] <Riddell> awooga!
[15:19] <Riddell> bulldog98: exporting the current data to QML?
[15:19] <Riddell> or embedding a widget?
[15:19] <bulldog98> Riddell: embedding a widget
[15:20] <Riddell> groovy
[15:20] <bulldog98> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/438044
[15:20] <Riddell> bulldog98: PySide?
[15:20] <bulldog98> works but http://paste.kde.org/438050 doesn’t can you tell me why?
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[15:20] <bulldog98> Riddell: yes
[15:20] <Riddell> ubiquity is in PyKDE
[15:21] <Riddell> which means PyQt
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[15:21] <bulldog98> Riddell: I’ll have a look at that later
[15:21]  * bulldog98 needs to go buying stuff
[16:06] <bulldog98> Riddell: as far as I’ve seen there is no way to write a plugin in PyQt for qml
[16:06] <Riddell> bulldog98: hmm, asked on the mailing list?
[16:07] <bulldog98> Riddell: not yet
[16:07] <Riddell> he's pretty responsive
[16:13] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Riddell can we just skip this KDevelop RC1 and upload the final tarball next week?
[16:13] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Why?
[16:13] <shadeslayer> ScottK: too much work, too little incentive
[16:14] <ScottK> Nothing's forcing you to do it, so then don't.
[16:14] <shadeslayer> wait
[16:14] <ScottK> If you aren't motivated either someone else will do it, or we'll go straight to the final one.
[16:14]  * shadeslayer looks
[16:14] <shadeslayer> the email subject says RC1 and the tarballs are versioned as 4.3.0
[16:16] <Riddell> check in channel
[16:16] <Riddell> I'm doing calligra and there's a few things it needs before the final so it's worth doing the RC here
[16:16] <Riddell> like upgrading the whole opengtl stack
[16:18] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:20] <shadeslayer> Break time! cya in about a hour
[16:21] <Riddell> it doesn't take an hour to check facebook!
[16:21] <bulldog98> Riddell: http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/static/Docs/PyQt4/html/qml.html third bullet point
[16:22] <Riddell> bulldog98: hmm, nasty
[16:22] <Riddell> so maybe it needs the fiddly job of reimplementing it in QML
[16:22] <Riddell> or just get rid of it, I quite like that widget but I don't think the gtk frontend uses it
[16:23] <Riddell> mgraesslin: is it really not possible to add animations on activity changes?
[16:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: "KDevelop 4.3.0 Final ready to be packaged"
[16:25] <Riddell> says kde-packager
[16:28] <Riddell> --MARK--
[16:28] <bulldog98> Riddell: the Code provided at that page is just shit
[16:28] <bulldog98> that is NOT the way qml is supposed to be used
[16:28] <Riddell> uh oh
[16:29] <bulldog98> there is absolutly no need to get the rootObject out of the qml
[16:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, we got it fixed :P
[16:33] <shadeslayer> I rarely check facebook
[16:33] <ScottK> So it takes an hour when you do?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:33] <shadeslayer> ScottK: nah, playing games on the xbox
[16:34] <shadeslayer> Been quite some time since I turned it on
[16:35]  * ScottK isn't sure he needs to know you two have that kind of relationship.
[16:35] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:35] <ScottK> The big smile isn't making me feel better.
[16:36] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[16:36] <mgraesslin> Riddell: what do you mean with "animations"?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> Too bad I can't boot ubuntu on this thing
[16:36] <Riddell> bulldog98: so he misunderstands QML?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> Would have been able to test PowerPC
[16:36] <bulldog98> Riddell: what is qml good for if your are not able to push a DataModel?
[16:37] <bulldog98> that really bugs me
[16:37] <Riddell> mgraesslin: when I change desktop I get a nice animation which makes it obvious the desktop has changed. when I change activities i get no animation and it's just a case of windows disappearing without knowing where
[16:39] <mgraesslin> Riddell: such an animation is possible, but it needs someone (not me!) to write it
[16:44] <Riddell> mgraesslin: oh that makes sense, it's not what came out of a wee conversation we were having easier
[16:55] <ejat> http://askubuntu.com/questions/98344/fat-fonts-in-kubuntu
[16:55] <ejat> anyone can xplain / tell which one is correct?
[17:02] <Riddell> ejat: check with sladen
[17:03] <ejat> Riddell: ok .. 
[17:03] <bulldog98> Riddell: where for do we use PyKDE in ubiquity?
[17:05] <Riddell> bulldog98: well everywhere, it's a PyKDE application 
[17:05] <Riddell> but other than KApplication I don't know
[17:05] <bulldog98> Riddell: the keyboard is pure PyQt, so it should be possible to switch to PySide
[17:06] <Riddell> but ubiquity is in main so it needs to use libraries in main and pyqt is in main while pyside isn't
[17:06] <bulldog98> arr
[17:06] <Riddell> demoting pyqt into universe and replacing with pyside isn't trivial, every app that uses it needs ported
[17:06] <Riddell> also pyside isn't maintained any more
[17:06] <Riddell> so wouldn't be suitable for main
[17:07] <bulldog98> Riddell: http://www.pyside.org/ says the became Qt Add-On
[17:09] <Riddell> yeah qt being open now they take new libraries and addons
[17:10] <Riddell> http://lists.pyside.org/pipermail/pyside/2011-August/002816.html  says it isn't maintained
[17:10] <bulldog98> and this says http://www.pyside.org/2012/03/pyside-becomes-a-qt-add-on/ they moved the ml
[17:11] <Riddell> alas it doesn't matter where it's hosted as long as there are no developers
[17:16] <ScottK> bulldog98: Nokia used to fund it's development.  They don't anymore.
[17:16] <bulldog98> hm
[17:16] <ScottK> The Nokia funding is the only reason it came into existence.
[17:18] <bulldog98> Riddell: good thing is (python3 and 2) are handled the same way
[17:21] <bulldog98> Riddell: http://qt-project.org/wiki/PySide_FAQ says Nokia is planning to continue development
[17:23] <Riddell> "Last edit: July 14, 2011" that's before they dropped it
[17:24] <Riddell> and it's really good for us if it doesn't have KDE bindings, we'd have to end up shipping two sets of Qt bindings
[17:24] <Riddell> s/good/no good/
[17:24] <kubotu> Riddell meant: "and it's really no good for us if it doesn't have KDE bindings, we'd have to end up shipping two sets of Qt bindings"
[17:31] <bulldog98> hm
[17:31] <bulldog98> Riddell: how many guys develop the PyQt stuff?
[17:33] <cyphermox> Riddell: do you know who I should contact about adding EAP-FAST authentication for WPA Enterprise to p-w-nm; since this is about to land for nm-applet?
[17:34] <bulldog98> Riddell: from what I see here they even grow http://qt-project.org/wiki/PySideContributors
[17:34] <bulldog98> sorry I’m still in 2011
[17:40] <Riddell> bulldog98: approximately 1
[17:40] <Riddell> it's a 1 man company
[17:40] <bulldog98> hm
[17:40] <Riddell> cyphermox: upstream is lamont
[17:41] <Riddell> cyphermox: err no
[17:41] <Riddell> cyphermox: upstream is lamarque
[17:41] <Riddell> who is in #solid
[17:41] <Riddell> afiestas can say more probably
[17:41] <cyphermox> ahah ok :)
[17:41] <cyphermox> thanks.
[17:41] <Riddell> cyphermox: this isn't something that's going to break p-w-nm right?  just a potential new feature it could get?
[17:42] <cyphermox> Riddell: yeah, just a new auth method in NM backend that should be exposed
[17:42] <cyphermox> Riddell: I'm mentioning it because I'm hoping to land nm-applet which has it
[17:44] <bulldog98> Riddell: maybe I should just write c++ plugins for all I need :)
[17:45] <Riddell> bulldog98: it might well come to that I'm afraid
[17:45] <Riddell> although I don't think I've mixed python and c++ before
[17:46] <bulldog98> Riddell: should I name the plugin com.ubuntu.ubiquity ? for import stuff?
[17:47] <Riddell> cyphermox: this is the mailing list if you just want to post to that https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-hardware-devel
[17:47] <Riddell> bulldog98: org.kubuntu :)
[17:47] <cyphermox> Riddel: great, I will
[17:47] <bulldog98> Riddell: and if Ubuntu is gone steel it :)
[17:48]  * Riddell out for a bit while calligra compiles
[18:03] <soee> damn i forgot again, whats the name of app where you can define some sentencess shortcuts and when you press TAB in text after such shortcut it will replace it with full text ?
[18:49] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 626 * debian/ (changelog control) Bump breaks/replaces of plasma-widgets-workspace for 4.8 (LP: #950408)
[20:42] <soee> how can i get code from git?
[20:42] <soee> for example this one: git://gitorious.org/colord/colord-kde.git
[20:49] <Riddell> I expect the website for that page has a clone command for copy and paste
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[23:57] <MountainX>  Anyone using Kubuntu 12.04 having problems with Firefox not being able to open containing folder of downloaded items?
[23:58] <Riddell> user questions best in #kubuntu and #ubuntu
[23:59] <jalcine> That and MountainX, peek at #ubuntu+1