[00:00] <bjsnider> what?
[00:01] <Roasted> bjsnider, mutter
[00:01] <bjsnider> no
[00:01] <bjsnider> it uses mutter
[00:01] <Roasted> oh, GS is JS
[00:01] <bjsnider> yes
[00:12] <scientes> I am getting problems that my apt wants to download the non-compressed Packages files
[00:12] <scientes> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/universe/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[00:12] <scientes> when only Packages.bz2 and .gz are available
[00:17] <glosoli> anyone can help me here a bit with Bash Scripting ?
[00:17] <FernandoMiguel> scientes: change mirrors and update
[00:17] <ActionParsnip> scientes: try:  wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8850924/fixpackage; chmod +x ./fixpackage; sudo ./fixpackage
[00:19] <scientes> i am using apt-cacher-ng in proxy mode
[00:19] <ActionParsnip> scientes: should still help afaik
[00:20] <scientes> switching to mirror.anl.gov worked
[00:20] <scientes> using the .bz2
[00:20] <scientes> yuck...
[00:20] <c_smith> has anyone here had problems with Ubuntu One crashing?
[00:20] <scientes> should be .gz or .xz
[00:20] <scientes> (IMHO)
[00:21] <scientes> Err http://mirror.anl.gov precise/universe amd64 Packages
[00:21] <scientes>   Bad header line [IP: 146.137.96.15 80]
[00:21] <scientes> hmm
[00:21] <phunyguy> can someone help me figure out how to sync some music on my phone with amarok, and have it transcode to mp3? Currently I tell it to copy to that collection, but it keeps the flac format.
[00:21] <scientes> i set [arch=amd64] in my sources.list
[00:21] <scientes> to try to make stuff faster, that could be it
[00:22] <scientes> (so it wont fetch i386 for universe)
[00:23] <glosoli> anyone can help me to making sh file execute with doubleclick ?
[00:24] <ActionParsnip> glosoli: mark it as executable. I assume you mean a bash script
[00:24] <glosoli> ActionParsnip: #!/bin/bash
[00:24] <glosoli> but when I double click nothing happens but if I do sh fileName.sh in terminal
[00:24] <glosoli> it works
[00:25] <FernandoMiguel> nite folks
[00:25] <phunyguy> ActionParsnip: makeit executable... chmod +x script.sh
[00:26] <ActionParsnip> phunyguy: indeed :)
[00:26] <glosoli> still the same
[00:26] <glosoli> #!/bin/bash
[00:26] <glosoli> pyuic4 -py3 gui_main.ui > gui.py
[00:26] <ActionParsnip> glosoli: the file extension isn't needed in Linux
[00:26] <phunyguy> sorry meant that for the other guy
[00:26] <glosoli> only works if I do sh in terminal with file_name.sh
[00:26] <phunyguy> :P
[00:26] <phunyguy> im blind
[00:26] <glosoli> ActionParsnip: I don't want to run it from terminal
[00:26] <phunyguy> stupid tiny fonts
[00:27] <glosoli> ActionParsnip: It just doesn't take any action unless i call it from terminakl
[00:27] <glosoli> terminal''
[00:27] <ActionParsnip> glosoli: you could always make a desktop file for it and run it that way, you can assign a pretty icon then, too
[00:28] <glosoli> doh I just need it for executing some commands regulary without any fancy desktop file
[00:28] <glosoli> :/
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> glosoli: if you double click it, do you get the option to execute the file?
[00:30] <glosoli> Run, Run In terminal, Ok, Cancel
[00:30] <glosoli> both runs doesnt make any action
[00:30] <glosoli> ;D
[00:33] <ActionParsnip> hmm
[00:33] <scientes> ActionParsnip, wtf, bork my /var/lib/dpkg/status!
[00:34] <ActionParsnip> scientes: it clears all that out, then recreates fresh
[00:34] <scientes> with the dpkg --configure -a?
[00:35] <ActionParsnip> scientes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure
[00:35] <ActionParsnip> scientes: its basically that in a handy script
[00:35] <glosoli> ActionParsnip: seen in the forums people with same problems and no answer
[00:36] <ActionParsnip> glosoli: what does dpkg --configure -a   output?
[00:36] <glosoli> ActionParsnip: nothing
[00:37] <ActionParsnip> glosoli: thats good
[00:37] <glosoli> ActionParsnip: anyway, try creating some script yourself and try running it from desktop not from terminal
[00:38] <ActionParsnip> glosoli: all my scripts I run in terminal. If you right click it and set to run in terminal, does it work?
[00:39] <glosoli> ActionParsnip: right click doesn't have run in terminal, but that popup has and does no action
[00:40] <scientes> well i just used part of it, and that seemed to work now
[00:40] <scientes> prob most imp. rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> scientes: basically it removes all knowledge of any packages from any source, then re-downloads fresh
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> glosoli: right click script -> properties?
[00:42] <micahg> ActionParsnip: that may or may not help when using apt-cacher-ng as apt-cacher-ng has its own cache
[00:42] <glosoli> ActionParsnip: nothing like run from terminal
[00:47] <ActionParsnip> micahg: ahhh, I see. Thought it would be a communal thing
[00:47] <ActionParsnip> glosoli: not sure then dude. All I can suggest is to make a .desktop fiel
[00:47] <glosoli> ActionParsnip: ah, no prob just was interested if it's possible, doesn't matter that big
[00:48] <ActionParsnip> glosoli: if you make a desktop file and put it in /usr/share/applications you can launch the app from dash (maybe if it makes the script work)..
[00:49] <glosoli> ActionParsnip: I am sure it will, but that's not the proper way for me
[00:49] <glosoli> ;D
[00:55] <glosoli> good night everyone
[00:55] <glosoli> :)
[01:20] <Mylenthes> log you there?
[01:38] <log> Mylenthes: Hi.
[01:41] <Mylenthes> hi log
[01:41] <Mylenthes> its bobbeh
[01:41] <log> Oh, hi.
[01:42] <Mylenthes> i think unity got updated
[01:42] <Mylenthes> Im getting closer and closer to getting it working again
[01:42] <Mylenthes> now the panels load up in like 5 seconds rather than 30
[01:42] <Mylenthes> but it still freezes
[01:42] <log> That's unfortunate.
[01:42] <Mylenthes> yup
[01:45] <snadge> guys.. i've lost my time and date thing in the panel
[01:45] <snadge> whats the package called
[01:45] <Daekdroom> indicator-datetime, I think
[01:45] <Daekdroom> !info indicator-datetime
[01:46] <Mylenthes> !info unity
[01:46] <Mylenthes> nvm no update
[01:46] <Mylenthes> just my luck i guess
[01:46] <snadge> lol.. indicator-datetime wasnt installed for some reason
[01:47] <snadge> cheers Daekdroom
[01:47] <Daekdroom> Yw
[01:48] <snadge> now how do i get it back after i've reinstalled it
[01:49] <Mylenthes> log out back in?
[01:49] <Mylenthes> maybe.
[01:49] <log> Hmm?
[01:49] <snadge> probably yeah.. i just did that already though.. sigh.. laziness
[01:55] <snadge> ok wow.. i just accidentally clicked suspend on the system menu
[01:55] <snadge> and it just turned my pc off
[01:55] <snadge> i hit the power button.. and it does BIOS post and boots up normally
[01:56] <snadge> oh.. and when my pc boots up now.. it says.. debian, the universal operating system
[01:56] <snadge> luls
[01:56] <snadge> so i've lost the ubuntu grub branding or whatever
[01:59] <snadge> hmm.. apparently removing the desktop-base package fixes that problem ;)
[02:07] <Mylenthes> im bock
[02:07] <Mylenthes> unity --reset now that it only takes like 5 seconds to load up, im getting like 20 warnings
[02:08] <Mylenthes> says "cannot cast bamfobject to bamfapplication" or somethign like that
[02:12] <Mylenthes> hello
[02:17] <Mylenthes> hey is there a way to make the scrolling of my touchpad instead of jumping, go smoothly like ios
[02:17] <Mylenthes> since im using two finger scrolling?
[02:21] <Mylenthes> anyone?
[02:26] <dr_willis> hmmm.
[02:33] <Mylenthes> hmm?
[02:35] <dr_willis> yup.. just hmmm.
[02:36] <Mylenthes> ok
[02:36] <Mylenthes> ima try relogging and hoping unity3d will work
[02:36] <Mylenthes> brb
[02:38] <Mylenthes> Log!
[02:38] <Mylenthes> LOG!
[02:38] <Mylenthes> LOOOoooooG!
[02:39] <Mylenthes> I fixed it
[02:39] <Mylenthes> It was compiz!
[02:39] <Mylenthes> I knew it!
[02:40] <dr_willis> when in doubt. use a bigger hammer
[02:41] <Mylenthes> ok
[02:41] <Mylenthes> for anyone who comes on here in the future saying unity wont work
[02:42] <Mylenthes> Tell them to get ccsm, open it and in opengl set texture filter to fast and uncheck sync to vblank,
[02:43] <Mylenthes> tell log i got it working too
[02:43] <Mylenthes> ima do my hw now so yeah
[02:43] <log> LOG.
[02:43] <log> Hi.
[02:43] <Mylenthes> LOG
[02:43] <Mylenthes> I fixed it!
[02:43] <Mylenthes> look up
[02:43]  * log looks up.
[02:43] <log> I'll save those notes. Thanks!
[02:44] <log> Glad you got it working.
[02:44] <Mylenthes> I cant bloody beleive it was so simple too
[02:44] <Mylenthes> excuse my blood
[02:58] <Mylenthes> god text in daash looks horribel
[02:58] <Mylenthes> probably ati catalyst
[03:40] <Mylenthes> anyone there?
[03:41] <User_007> Hello i am with the bug : libfarstream-0.1-0: conflict libgstfarsight0.10-0 but 0.0.31-1ubuntu3 it's installed, (951407) that says to be fixed but even after update/full-upgrade it still conflicting
[03:41] <Mylenthes> Wait say that again, slowly
[03:41] <User_007> does anyone have some clue?
[03:42] <Mylenthes> are you trying to update?
[03:42] <User_007> yes
[03:42] <Mylenthes> I had that problem, can't remember how i fixed it though
[03:42] <Mylenthes> try pressing check at the bottom
[03:42] <User_007> i am with the bug (951407): " libfarstream-0.1-0: conflict libgstfarsight0.10-0 but 0.0.31-1ubuntu3 it's installed"
[03:43] <User_007> pressing check?
[03:44] <User_007> Mylenthes, if you mean pressing yes, it will uninstall several things including libc6 and empathy
[03:46] <User_007> In the bug page it says it's fixed, but even after i update, when i try upgrading it says it still conflicting.
[03:47] <Mylenthes> i meant check for new updates
[03:47] <Mylenthes> sometimes that will ask you to do a partial update
[03:47] <Mylenthes> which usually fixes most updating problems
[03:48] <Mylenthes> If that doesn't work, I have nothing else to tell you. I'm not even in here to help lol. I cam in here asking for help myself
[03:49] <User_007> ohh, you mean check for updates... i am using CLI so i just do apt-get update (it's what i mean by update)
[04:45] <bsdfreak> Hi, I'm having an issue with Precise Kubuntu.  After logging in through KDM my desktop won't load.  It started after a recent aptitude upgrade.
[04:46] <bsdfreak> I'm running the x64 version.
[05:00] <airtonix> why is resolvconf being installed on ubuntu-server ?
[05:02] <micahg> airtonix: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[05:03] <airtonix> micahg: bind9 is broken because of it then
[05:03] <micahg> that would be a bug then :)
[05:03] <airtonix> can't restart because /etc/resolv.conf isn't a symlink
[05:05] <micahg> bug 933723?
[05:39] <Mylenthes> hello
[05:39] <Mylenthes> anyone there?
[05:39] <Mylenthes> i need minor help
[05:40] <dr_willis>  9h
[05:40] <dr_willis> oh
[05:40] <dr_willis> with....
[05:42] <Mylenthes> how do i theme unity?
[05:42] <Mylenthes> i found an ambiance blue theme
[05:42] <Mylenthes> now how do i work it
[05:44] <dr_willis> theme for what exactly.
[05:44] <Mylenthes> i think gtk
[05:44] <dr_willis> gnome shell. gtk.
[05:44] <Mylenthes> thats what unity uses right?
[05:44] <dr_willis> gtk 2 or 3  :)
[05:46] <dr_willis> themes in unity and gnome shell is a bit convuluted. due to how all the 'parts' are themeable
[05:46] <dr_willis> you can try the gnome-tweak and myunity tools to do some changes
[05:47] <Mylenthes> myunity
[05:47] <Mylenthes> fails
[05:47] <Mylenthes> the theme looks nothing like what its supposed to
[05:47] <Mylenthes> do i have to logout back in?
[05:47] <dr_willis> gtk is the window decorations only.  try log out back in and see
[05:48] <Mylenthes> kbrb
[05:48] <Mylenthes> nope
[05:48] <Mylenthes> still looks bronw
[05:49] <Mylenthes> lemme try the gnometweak
[05:49] <dr_willis> you mean just the colors are wrong
[05:49] <Mylenthes> everything
[05:49] <Mylenthes> its like windows 98
[05:50] <dr_willis> heard of some bugs that cause that.
[05:50] <dr_willis> perhaps check askubuntu.com
[05:50] <Mylenthes> oh
[05:51] <dr_willis> i thi k thats some theme failsafe mi
[05:51] <dr_willis> mode if the stuff breaks
[05:51] <Mylenthes> is gnome tweak called advanced settings
[05:52] <dr_willis> i think so. for some silly reason
[05:52] <Mylenthes> failsafe? i thought you cant use effects if that happens? i have my effects working fine
[05:52] <Mylenthes> advanced settings only lists like 4 themes, but they work correctly
[05:52] <dr_willis> they seem to like to make the menu name different then the binary name
[05:52] <Mylenthes> how do i get the theme in gnometweak?
[05:53] <dr_willis> i just use the themes from different repos
[05:53] <dr_willis> webupd8 has a good repo for them also
[05:53] <Mylenthes> wait what?
[05:53] <dr_willis> what.....
[05:54] <Mylenthes> i am confuse
[05:54] <dr_willis> there are themes in the repos
[05:54] <Mylenthes> how do i work that
[05:54] <dr_willis> webupd8 has its own repos with many more
[05:55] <dr_willis> install rhem via package manager tools same as an app.
[05:56] <Mylenthes> wait, so download package manager tools?
[05:56] <Mylenthes> oh i think i understand
[05:57] <Mylenthes> lol i feel stupid
[05:57] <Mylenthes> whats the repo?
[05:57] <dr_willis> !repo
[05:57] <Mylenthes> no webupd8 repo
[05:57] <dr_willis> go to the site.
[05:57] <Mylenthes> k
[05:58] <dr_willis> they got guides on themes
[05:59] <dr_willis> good luck. bbl. lunch time.
[05:59] <Mylenthes> Lunch time lol its 2 am her
[06:08] <Mylenthes> ok figured it out thanks
[06:08] <Mylenthes> night
[06:11] <bsdfreak> w
[06:32] <GirlyGirl> Hi, how is the performance of Unity on beta 1 before I install ubuntu-desktop to give it a try? On 11.10 the UI was to laggy to use. Kde works fine with all desktop effects on my system however both on 11.10 and 12.04. (EeePC 1005ha)
[06:34] <bsdfreak> Is anyone else experiencing Kubuntu login issues with Precise?
[06:35] <GirlyGirl> bsdfreak: you mean no desktop on login?
[06:35] <bsdfreak> Yes.
[06:35] <bsdfreak> Only works in failsafe mode.
[06:36] <GirlyGirl> bsdfreak: Yes the latest update removes some required packages ... do a "sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[06:37] <GirlyGirl> worked for me
[06:37] <bsdfreak> Okay.  I had tried that earlier with no success, but I'll give it another shot.  If that doesn't work, is there something I can do to install the specific packages that were removed?
[06:37] <GirlyGirl> bsdfreak: No idea .. did this problem occur after updating packages?
[06:38] <bsdfreak> Yes.
[06:38] <bsdfreak> GirlyGirl: It happened after an upgrade on Friday.
[06:39] <GirlyGirl> bsdfreak: I think "sudo apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" in that order should work ... assuming you have a working internet connection
[06:48] <bsdfreak> GirlyGirl: Ok, I'll give it a try.  Thanks.
[06:56] <almoxarife> anyone figured out how to get their old dnsmasq configuration to work on 12.04?
[06:57] <almoxarife> anyone figured out how to get their old dnsmasq configuration to work on 12.04? it may only be a kubuntu issue, not sure if ubuntu also has dnsmasq by default now
[06:57] <almoxarife> I want my old dnsmasq back!
[06:57] <tokarbol> I think it does, mine has it.
[06:57] <tokarbol> (unity)
[06:58] <almoxarife> tokarbol: makes sense, its packaged in 'network-manager'
[06:59] <tokarbol> you mean that network-manager depends on it?
[06:59] <tokarbol> yes, it seems so.
[07:01] <bsdfreak> Does anyone have any issues with the Intel WifiLink 1000?  Seems like I'm not able to reliably connect to WPA2+AES networks.
[07:20] <brently> it was suggested in #Kubuntu that i ask a question about 12.04 here instead... am i in the right place?
[07:22] <brently> I need help setting up dial up networking with a tethered blackberry using bluetooth..
[07:22] <GirlyGirl> brently: Both places are fine as far as Kubuntu is concerned due to it having less users than Ubuntu... If you have a Ubuntu specific problem you are likely to get better help here
[07:25] <brently> great. i need help with pairing a blackberry via bluetooth and setting up DUN with it.
[07:27] <brently> before in 11.04, I would pair the phone, it would ask if i wanted to use DUN, then send me through a wizard. once the wizard finished I saw tmobile listed in the network manager widget, and it worked like a charm...
[07:28] <brently> now in 12.04 it pairs, asks about DUN, and thats it. no wizard. not listed in the network widget. any help??
[07:29] <UrB> does the bluetooth work otherwise?
[07:29] <UrB> sending / receiving files, etc
[07:30] <brently> i have no idea. i could test it i suppose.. would it help to know?
[07:31] <UrB> well, if the bluetooth is completely non-functional, then I'd address the question to #bluez-users
[07:31] <UrB> or does Kubuntu use bluez for bluetooth, anyone?
[07:31] <brently> bluedevil
[07:32] <brently> same problem in ubuntu 12.04 I tried it yesterday. same problem in kubuntu 12.04.
[07:33] <UrB> ok
[07:33] <brently> it asks if i want to use the found dial up network service. then doesnt open up the wizard to select tmobile and what plan...
[07:35] <UrB> file a bug for it - that usually seems to gets better attention
[07:35] <UrB> -s
[07:41] <brently> in 11.04 it was great. easy a pie to set up and it worked well. all kde 4.8 distros have the same problem
[07:44] <brently> hold on let me remove, re-pair the phone, and try sending a file or something...
[07:46] <brently> ok just sent a picture from blackberry to kubuntu laptop
[07:50] <UrB> so it works otherwise
[07:50] <UrB> that limits the problem to network-manager
[07:50] <brently> yeap phone pairs and sends files.
[07:50] <UrB> can't help more with this as my own bluetooth is messed up :)
[07:51] <brently> is there a way to perhaps replace the buggy network-manager package with what was used in a previous ubuntu release???
[07:52] <brently> because as soon as i fix the one thing of being able to tether via bluetooth, i can install some programs and show off kubuntu to friends at work...
[07:57] <brently> what packages handle mobile broadband?
[08:01] <UrB> I'd say networkmanager
[08:02] <brently> ok can i replace it with a previous version?
[08:03] <UrB> that I am not sure of - but you could file a bug like a suggested earlier
[08:03] <brently> i figured maybe if it worked in 11.04, try using the older package....?...
[08:03] <UrB> they usually get addressed quite quickly
[08:03] <UrB> and someone might already have work-around
[08:03] <brently> will you help me by submitting the bug?
[08:04] <brently> normally you pair the phone, it asks do you want to connect to DUN service, you say yes, it opens a wizard, you select tmobile....
[08:05] <brently> the wizard never pops up.
[08:06] <brently> is there an old school way to add the mobile broadband connection, and tell it to use the paired phone?
[08:06] <UrB> just type ubuntu-bug network-manager to terminal
[08:07] <UrB> it should gather information and open pre-filled bug report
[08:07] <UrB> there were some scripts years ago, but not sure if they work on current system
[08:09] <brently> cool its collecting info
[08:10] <UrB> just follow the instructions there and write down what you expected to happen and what happened instead - and then wait for replies
[08:11] <brently> i dint have a launchpad account.. or i forget what it was years ago
[08:12] <brently> ah i remembered it!
[08:12] <UrB> it's fairly quick to do - useful to have if you use development versions (read: buggy versions) :)
[08:12] <brently> ah. well thanks so much for your help!
[08:12] <UrB> np
[08:18] <brently> ok bug submitted    should i expect a reply?
[08:19] <brently> just curious, can i force it to use a previous version of the network manager package?
[08:19] <UrB> eventually, yes - either it's deemed a proper bug and attended to or someone will explain why it's not a bug
[08:20] <UrB> and close it
[08:21] <UrB> as for the old version: dependencies might prevent you from using an older version
[08:22] <UrB> have you tried blueman on the ubuntu side to to get the bluetooth tethering working?
[08:22] <brently> when i had kubuntu 11.04, and added a ppa for kde 4.8 and upgraded kde, it did something similar. it gave me the wizard, and added the connection. but it didnt work
[08:22] <brently> i tried an ubuntu 12.04 live dvd. it added the connection but failed to connect
[08:23] <brently> same thing as four other kde 4.8 distros. they all give the wizard, add the connection under mobile broadband, it says "configuring interface" but never connects
[08:25] <brently> i just noticed rf kill.txt was attached to my bug report. that will show the bluetooth interface listed.
[08:27] <UrB> brently: make sure you have current e-mail address in your launchpad account - all updates on you bug report will be notified with mail
[08:28] <brently> cool. any ideas for a work-around in the mean time?
[08:29] <UrB> nope - my bluetooth is broken so I can't even try with my own phone
[08:29] <brently> i really like kubuntu 12.04 and once this small thing is fixed I can take it out-and-about showing it off
[08:29] <UrB> does the blueberry do usb-tethering?
[08:29] <UrB> and does that work
[08:30] <brently> hmm didnt try the usb cable. with windows 7 i got bluetooth tethering working and i showed it off to friends... i will go grab my usb cable and see what happens
[08:34] <brently> it sees the removable media right away
[08:35] <brently> i have no idea what to do now
[08:35] <UrB> not sure how it's done in blueberry, but at least in android you have to activate the usb tethering from the phone side
[08:39] <brently> i guess i will google it
[08:45] <brently> ok there is a program called barry supposedly you install on ubuntu for thethering a BB
[08:49] <brently> is there a way i can start with 11.04 or maybe 11.10, mark the network manager to be kept, and do a complete upgrade keeping the packages marked to be held back?
[08:49] <UrB> doubt that
[08:56] <brently> not having any luck figuring usb tethering out
[09:07] <brently> so i guess i wait for it to get fixed or someone write back with a work around... booo
[09:14] <encrypt> hi i've activated the scale compiz plugin,but only wlor
[09:16] <encrypt> hi i've activated the scale compiz plugin, but only works with the shortcut ctrl+w, not when pointing to the corner i've set. have to configure it manually after every boot
[09:32] <almoxarife> which install is the closest to gnome-2?
[09:32] <almoxarife> gnome-shell or unity-2?
[09:32] <hifi> xfce
[09:33] <crizzy> neither is correct answer if you want legacy layout
[09:33] <crizzy> install gnome3's fallback mode, or, like mentioned, xfce
[09:33] <almoxarife> legacy layout would be best
[09:33] <hifi> you can make the xfce panel layout exactly like gnome 2
[09:34] <hifi> as seen in some xubuntu spins
[09:34] <crizzy> i would rather use windows ^^ and would still if unity wouldn't have come along..
[09:34] <almoxarife> windows? oh my
[09:35] <crizzy> well from win/mac users view linux desktops have been generally just a bad joke
[09:35] <hifi> http://lh5.ggpht.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/S6TCzkP-pHI/AAAAAAAAAoM/705bdGpb7bs/SS_Selection_016.png xfce in xubuntu
[09:35] <crizzy> unity is the first thing that somehow looks promising
[09:35] <crizzy> that is ugly :)
[09:35] <almoxarife> hifi: the xfce install needs anything extra? to get the look?
[09:35] <crizzy> would never touch that over win7
[09:35] <hifi> almoxarife: if you install xubuntu-desktop package you'll get all the bells and whistles
[09:35] <hifi> if you just install xfce4 it will not have the default settings like that
[09:36] <hifi> I never realized my xfce is set up almost like that
[09:37] <almoxarife> hifi: thnks. I actually use plasma-desktop, but I need the back-bone for some of the ubuntu apps
[09:37] <ironhalik> I dont know whats all that hassle about Unity :)
[09:37] <hifi> I don't quite get what you're after
[09:37] <almoxarife> me?
[09:37] <hifi> yup
[09:38] <ironhalik> well, whoever
[09:38] <ironhalik> Unity seems to be annoying a lot of people
[09:38] <crizzy> no
[09:39] <almoxarife> I use plasma-desktop(kubuntu) , but I also use a lot of the ubuntu apps, without a base system installed the apps look like shit,
[09:39] <crizzy> just very small and loud minority
[09:39] <hifi> almoxarife: what you need is a proper GTK theme
[09:39] <crizzy> these guys who complain about every change anyway
[09:39] <hifi> that looks like Qt (KDE)
[09:40] <hifi> only thing I find annoying is that IIRC ubuntu didn't give you the choice of gnome 3 at some point at least
[09:40] <hifi> and forced you to unity
[09:40] <ironhalik> crizzy: which is strange, considering theres a lot of alternatives
[09:40] <almoxarife> hifi: that would be great, but that's the problem, no one has come up with a proper gtk thems that I have seen which bridges both
[09:40] <hifi> I might be wrong, I've been using xfce for ages
[09:40] <ironhalik> hifi: you had the chocie when you downloaded the ISO
[09:40] <ironhalik> youve got the choice in software center too
[09:40] <hifi> oh, but didn't unity replace gnome-2 for one release at least?
[09:40] <hifi> before gnome 3 came out
[09:41] <crizzy> ironhalik: also all that whining is very counter-productive. rather filing bugs with good explanation why something sucks is much more productive, and has got many rough edges polished from unity
[09:41] <ironhalik> hifi: nah, you had the fallback mode then
[09:41] <hifi> oh, then I don't see the probelm
[09:41] <crizzy> ironhalik: only if these whiners would put all that energy to that rather than just complaining :)
[09:41] <hifi> or just don't use unity
[09:41] <crizzy> or that
[09:41] <ironhalik> its just the default, its not mandatory ;>
[09:42] <hifi> if gnome 3 is an option and even during install, I really don't see the problem
[09:42] <crizzy> unity was the only reason why i bothered to check linux desktop again.. would never have done that otherwise tbh
[09:42] <ironhalik> its like people whining about the default interior finish in the latest dodge ;> (mandatory car analogy)
[09:42] <hifi> and you can always just use netinstall <3
[09:42] <crizzy> dno what's the fuzz about these old crap desktops like gnome2, but i can guarantee you these don't attarct windows people
[09:42] <crizzy> look and feel ancient compared to win87
[09:42] <crizzy> -8
[09:42] <almoxarife> hifi: any recommends for a proper gkt theme?
[09:43] <almoxarife> to bridge xfce with kubuntu
[09:43] <hifi> install gtk-qt-engine
[09:43] <hifi> The GTK-Qt Theme Engine is a plugin for GTK that allows GTK applications to use Qt widget styles.
[09:43] <hifi> Aimed primarily at KDE users, this plugin provides a way to unify the look and feel of the Linux desktop.
[09:44] <hifi> actually surprising kubuntu doesn't make sure GTK programs look like Qt
[09:44] <crizzy> unfortunately themeing is least of the problems with gtk apps in kde
[09:44] <crizzy> kde-configured printers won't work, file dialogs are different, network mounts don't work in file dialogs etc etc etc....
[09:45] <hifi> crizzy: some people want simple and elegant desktops, I disabled aero on win7 for performance reasons
[09:45] <hifi> I don't *need* anything pretty
[09:45] <almoxarife> hifi: I will do that
[09:45] <hifi> as long as everything runs fast(er)
[09:45] <crizzy> hifi: aero is faster on my computer than basic as it's gpu-accelerated
[09:45] <crizzy> basic theme is not..
[09:45] <hifi> aero screws up everything not designed for win7
[09:45] <hifi> or vista
[09:45] <crizzy> not for me
[09:46] <hifi> I suppose you don't play games from the 90's
[09:46] <crizzy> win7 also has brains to automatically shut it down for apps that don't work with it, and enable it again
[09:46] <hifi> yeah, and that causes problems too when you switch between aero and basic
[09:46] <crizzy> like what
[09:46] <hifi> just sticking with basic is just fine, it looks nice enough
[09:47] <hifi> flickering, window displacement
[09:47] <crizzy> never seen any, but ok
[09:47] <hifi> I use dual head so when aero switches off stuff on my second head moves a bit
[09:48] <hifi> also when I don't need it and it shaves off ~10 fps from team fortres 2, why would I use it
[09:48] <hifi> my gpu really sucks
[09:48] <crizzy> if you don't like it, don't :)
[09:48] <crizzy> i always just buy new hardware when it gets slow
[09:48] <crizzy> i hate ancient crapware
[09:48] <hifi> bought new hardware in 2006 or so :p
[09:48] <crizzy> figures, then
[09:49] <crizzy> hardware is almost free nowadays
[09:49] <hifi> just a big hassle to upgrade
[09:49] <crizzy> my comp is getting 1,5years old already.. still running everything fine tho
[09:49] <crizzy> with hd6870
[09:49] <hifi> and everything moves so fast it's not as easy as just swapping a new cpu, adding memory and a new gpu
[09:50] <hifi> like it was 10 years ago
[09:50] <crizzy> i think that card is around 100-130e nowadays so there isn't really reason to torture yourself with bad hardware :9
[09:51] <hifi> to upgrade I need a new motherboard, new cpu, new memory and a new gpu
[09:51] <hifi> it's not just 100€ anymore I'm afraid
[09:51] <hifi> to get anything reasonable fast for todays games
[09:51] <crizzy> just buy a new ready-built computer and throw old one out of window :)
[09:52] <glosoli> friggin technology evolutioj
[09:52] <glosoli> evolution'
[09:53] <crizzy> only gpu's have really progressed in last years tbh
[09:53] <crizzy> my wife has some several years old, first generation quadcore phenom 2.5ghz, and only thing i've upgraded in it has been the gpu... cpu itself is fine for all new games
[09:54] <hifi> my problem is LGA 775 and DDR2
[09:54] <glosoli> Well yes, most of the upgrades are not even important for daily users
[09:54] <glosoli> execept laptops upgraiding for economic power savings
[09:54] <glosoli> and etc
[09:54] <glosoli> except''
[09:54] <crizzy> yeah it's 4,5 years old.. checked
[09:55] <hifi> with just a CPU swap, more memory and a new GPU it would be reasonable to upgrade
[09:55] <glosoli> I even have P4 2Ghz with GeForce MX440 is 11 years old, and it's still enough for my parents daily usage :)
[09:55] <crizzy> :p
[09:55] <crizzy> i would rip my hair off with that thing, though
[09:55] <crizzy> need cores! :p
[09:55] <hifi> in-laws use a thinkpad T23
[09:55] <glosoli> Well it runs just fine, for a browser and etc :) they don't do much with it
[09:56] <crizzy> don't try to run firefox on it ;D
[09:56] <glosoli> although it consumes big amounts of energy, as monitor is really big and old
[09:56] <glosoli> crizzy: well it runs just fine
[09:56] <crizzy> yeah, pun joke
[09:56] <glosoli> ;D
[09:56] <crizzy> for firefox eating your ram, cpu and babies
[09:56] <glosoli> well Chrome would be faster although
[09:56] <hifi> not necessarily
[09:56] <glosoli> ;DD
[09:56] <hifi> there is a fine line between chrome and firefox
[09:56] <crizzy> nah chrome likely is slower on single core machine
[09:56] <glosoli> Everytime I try to use FF it looks so slow for me
[09:57] <crizzy> chrome relies heavily on threading
[09:57] <glosoli> crizzy: yes, you got the point here
[09:57] <hifi> yup, it also opens a lot of file handles IIRC
[09:57] <hifi> depends a lot on the setup which is faster
[09:57] <crizzy> on my 6-core, firefox makes me cry
[09:58] <crizzy> some one thing in one tab jams everything
[09:58] <crizzy> like.. cmon
[09:58] <glosoli> yes same here
[09:59] <glosoli> It's smth just killing me, I can even use Google Chrome Dev Channel and it will be much more stable for me because one fail in Firefox will fail whole browser
[10:01] <glosoli> crizzy: maybe you have some knowledge with PyQt ?
[10:02] <crizzy> don't curse on me, i hate python :)
[10:02] <crizzy> it's like ruby done wrong, if you want that sort of programming language... ruby does it better
[10:02] <crizzy> everything is an object, and no 'tarded forced indentication rules
[10:02] <glosoli> I hate ruby :D
[10:03] <crizzy> the syntax is 90% the sa,e
[10:03] <crizzy> *same
[10:03] <crizzy> mindset is different
[10:03] <glosoli> nah it just doesn't feel right, even tho, everyone in ruby channel saying that ruby doesn't even have any proper GUI Toolkit
[10:03] <crizzy> ruby = everything is an object, python = same old mishmash mess of procedural and object functions
[10:03] <crizzy> and that forced indetication.. #¤!"%
[10:04] <crizzy> glosoli: write c/c++ if you want gui apps >=)
[10:04] <crizzy> my programming mind makes me wanna vomit every time i see python/ruby/whatever language ;D
[10:04] <glosoli> well python + pyqt4 does it well why the hell I would go for C++ if I am not writing any video editing or any other high end app
[10:04] <glosoli> ;d
[10:05] <crizzy> with Qt you could try Qt quick first
[10:05] <crizzy> http://qt.nokia.com/qtquick/
[10:05] <glosoli> crizzy: why is it better ?
[10:06] <crizzy> dno 'better', but probably easier to learn.. if you know html/css/js you can get started pretty quickly
[10:06] <glosoli> crizzy: Well I know pyqt4 already, and it supports HTML and CSS in it's objects for designing them
[10:07] <crizzy> http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/ this looked somewhat interesting too
[10:07] <glosoli> PyGTK is a mess for me
[10:07] <glosoli> Won't even start looking at it for bad cross platform support
[10:07] <crizzy> gtk is a bit mess, ye
[10:08] <crizzy> Qt doesn't exactly have that perfect cross platform support.. i mean it's non-native with it's own widget engine for windows and mac
[10:08] <crizzy> only themed like native
[10:08] <glosoli> crizzy: that's fairly enough
[10:08] <glosoli> If you compare it to others
[10:09] <crizzy> i still favor making of truly native guis for each platform
[10:09] <crizzy> use shared components/libs for the core code
[10:10] <glosoli> crizzy: anyway, would you mind me naming any pros for python vs ruby (not mentioning syntax, which I find alright in python)
[10:10] <crizzy> already did ^^
[10:10] <glosoli> crizzy: I didin't got the point of them ;D
[10:10] <crizzy> in ruby, everything is an object and no forced indetication
[10:11] <glosoli> crizzy: in python everything is an object too, or smth changed  ?
[10:11] <crizzy> nope, everything is not an object in python :)
[10:11] <glosoli> it is
[10:11] <glosoli> :)
[10:11] <crizzy> well, go through http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/quickstart/ and make your own mind
[10:11] <crizzy> both still suck imo ;)
[10:12] <glosoli> crizzy: http://goo.gl/HjxaJ
[10:12] <glosoli> they doesn't suck for me, as I don't make games dude ;D
[10:12] <crizzy> i find that anti-programming syntax obscure
[10:12] <crizzy> damned hard, just give me c/c++ syntax :)
[10:13] <crizzy> every 'end' makes me shiver..
[10:13] <crizzy> i want my { }
[10:13] <glosoli> well in python there is no ends ;D and identation thing is good for me as it makes anyones python code readable clearly
[10:13] <glosoli> I like that strict syntax
[10:14] <crizzy> i only find it limiting and annoying ;)
[10:14] <glosoli> crizzy: well it's near worthless for a game developer
[10:15] <crizzy> i once tried some opengl thingy with python
[10:15] <crizzy> was kinda fun
[10:15] <crizzy> not really useful for anything else than some prototype demos, but still pretty ez for new ppl to get into opengl
[10:15] <crizzy> not sure what it was.. some ogre wrapper probably
[10:16] <glosoli> crizzy: well as I mentioned before as I don't make any games and I will not in future, it suits me good ;D
[10:16] <crizzy> it's still good to know the languages that were USED for making these scripting languages ;)
[10:18] <glosoli> Well it isn't scripting language for sure, I know you hate it, but it isn't scripting language :)
[10:18] <glosoli> THere are so many apps being developed using Python
[10:18] <crizzy> everything that isn't compiled is a scripting language :P
[10:18] <crizzy> even if you vomit some jit compiler over it
[10:19] <glosoli> well it isn't :)
[10:19] <glosoli> python is compiled
[10:19] <glosoli> in fact :)
[10:19] <glosoli> if you even used it you probably seen these pyc files ?
[10:19] <crizzy> those are not necessity for it
[10:19] <crizzy> however
[10:20] <crizzy> other way around, you can write scripts in C
[10:20] <crizzy> (really)
[10:20] <crizzy> http://bellard.org/tcc/
[10:20] <glosoli> I know, I just don't like C :D
[10:20] <glosoli> writing tons of stuff to get simple things done lol, life with java was even more painful
[10:21] <crizzy> c needs some library hunting, ye
[10:21] <crizzy> libraries are what make these languages something, not the language itself
[10:21] <crizzy> otherwise they're just slightly more glorified C
[10:22] <glosoli> well yes :) but that's why I like python, and it doesn't suck for me at all, Ruby looks  like a pascal for me having these ends
[10:22] <glosoli> and If I want to co-operate with C i just use PyObjC and that's all :)
[10:23] <glosoli> Python can even be used for programming robots
[10:24] <crizzy> and python is written in C, around we come ;)
[10:24] <crizzy> time to go hunt some lunch >>
[10:24] <glosoli> crizzy: wasn't C written in smth else ? :D anyway have a nice lunch
[10:25] <hifi> currently C is written in C, mostly
[10:26] <glosoli> mostly, that's it ;D
[10:26] <hifi> assembly is only used for optimizations
[10:26] <glosoli> anyway, why not to use smth to make another good smth
[10:26] <glosoli> :D
[10:57] <ironhalik> Python rOcKz! ;>
[10:58] <ironhalik> I'm more of a Java guy myself, but overall, python is nice
[10:59] <crizzy> c > * :)
[10:59] <ironhalik> It's nice and fast, but it's also a pain in the ass ;>
[11:28] <jcgs> hi :) a recent update appears to have just broken libasound2 :( i can't seem to install 32bit and 64bit versions at the same time, which has meant that skype has been removed from my computer
[11:29] <crizzy> just noticed my webcam isn't detected anymore in 12.04 -.-
[11:29] <crizzy> wat to do
[11:32] <crizzy> naw.. seems to work, top menu doesn't have 'webcam' entry anymore though.. need to start cheese manually
[11:39] <jcgs> I managed to fix it by downgrading to the version in my cache
[12:18] <kklimonda> jcgs: is it trying to install the same version for both architectures?
[12:19] <jcgs> unfortunately not. the versions in the repo have different numbers, and they both require the other one to be the same version
[12:20] <kklimonda> jcgs: have you tried updating? it may be that your mirror was out of date
[12:20] <jcgs> i did, have the version numbers equalized now?
[12:20] <jcgs> updating didn't seem to make anything better
[12:20] <kklimonda> yes
[12:21] <kklimonda> both are at 1.0.25-1ubuntu9
[12:21] <jcgs> am currently downloading a very large debug package, but will have another go when that finishes. I can check what version is on my mirror using ftp :)
[12:22] <MCR> Question: Why is Cannonical dropping Emerald instead of using it as default window-decorator ?
[12:23] <MCR> It was developed to work with Compiz and is by far the most advanced win-decorator out there, so ?
[12:23] <MCR> and now it does not build for Precise anymore (used it on 11.04 and 11.10)
[12:25] <MCR> btw, thanks for the help with my RMB problem - the compiz version form the PPA was the culprint.
[12:26] <bjsnider> MCR, is it not a dead project at this point?
[12:26] <MCR> now I got a new problem with Unity though - the tray area is constantly reloading until it finally fails to display the standard indicators...
[12:26] <MCR> bjsnider: What is exactly a dead project ?
[12:27] <bjsnider> nobody developing it anymore
[12:27] <MCR> bjsnider: Open Source is made to be revived, no ? ;)
[12:27] <kklimonda> not really
[12:27] <kklimonda> unless you're planning on reviving it ;)
[12:27] <MCR> I just do not understand why dropping the best stuff out there might help with getting forward...
[12:29] <MCR> kklimonda: It was not compiling for 0.9x+ versions of Compiz, but soreau (from the Compiz channel) fixed it, so many folks used it on 11.04 and 11.10.
[12:29] <MCR> but now it is not compiling on Precise anymore.
[12:31] <MCR> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-emerald-in-ubuntu-1110-oneiric.html
[12:31] <kklimonda> MCR: because noone has been working on it. I don't know why hasn't Canonical stepped in - probably because what Unity needs is a small decorator, and emerald has a lot of code that is not really interesting enough to maintain it
[12:31] <MCR> ^^^Here you can see that it is not dead, because many folks are using it :)
[12:32] <kklimonda> MCR: it's dead because noone has stepped in to maintain it on a regular basis. It means fixing bugs, releasing new versions etc.
[12:32] <kklimonda> it's easy to just jump in and fix it enough to make it build again
[12:33] <MCR> It has many features other decorators simply do not have, like programmable title buttons, which are very useful for pros.
[12:34] <MCR> You can for example add 3 additional buttons to roll up/down, make the window sticky/unsticky or ontop/normal...
[12:35] <MCR> kklimonda: I can point you to the source and I bet soreau would upload the fix to git if you could fix it...
[12:36] <MCR> also no Decorator can look that good :)
[12:37] <MCR> so long speech, short resumee: I want Emerald back - who is able to help ? ;)
[12:37] <kklimonda> MCR: I don't have time to fix it, as I don't use it myself this is not something I care about. What I meant is that fixing it to build is easy enough, but the problem is you need an active upstream developer to fix bugs, make releases and make sure that it builds again in the future.
[12:38] <MCR> So where can I find an upstream developer then ?
[12:39] <kklimonda> MCR: I'd try asking on the compiz channel if anyone is interested.. but I'm sure if there were people interested in maintaining it they'd already step out and do that
[12:52] <bjsnider> i don't think there's any demand for it
[12:52] <bjsnider> if there was nobody would need to ask for a developer
[13:03] <MCR> kklimonda, bjsnider: Precise is not even released and I am sure people are interested - just wanted to speed up things a little ;)
[13:27] <ironhalik> Huh, after the latest compiz update, I'm missing it from lightdm session menu
[13:27] <ironhalik> and since it was the default, ot booted to wallpaper only, without any menu
[13:30] <dr_willis> ive used windowmanagers  in the past that worked that way
[13:31] <dr_willis> old school
[13:32] <ironhalik> I'm still missing Unity :P
[13:35] <DrHalan> ironhalik: why do you miss it?
[13:36] <ironhalik> DrHalan: Dunno, tidays update updated compiz, after reboot, it stopped working
[13:37] <kklimonda> ironhalik: do you have it still installed?
[13:37] <kklimonda> probably the update removed something?
[13:37] <DrHalan> yeah it removed a lot of compiz stuff
[13:37] <DrHalan> if i'd do an dist-upgrade here it woudl remove compiz-* too
[13:37] <DrHalan> im guessing the packages are stil in process of being built
[13:38] <kklimonda> ironhalik: so the lesson here is "don't do dist-upgrade unless you know what you are doing"
[13:38] <DrHalan> yeha
[13:38] <MCR> or always check if the upgrade would also remove packages...
[13:39] <MCR> I can confirm the problem.
[13:39] <LjL> is btrfs support broken in the precise beta CD?
[13:40] <ironhalik> yeah, it seems like it
[13:40] <ikonia> I'd be more interested if it's more stable
[13:40] <ironhalik> Ill wait till proper packages are in the repos
[13:43] <MCR> In my experience compiz never was so stable like in this Precise release - the sad thing is that the compiz-plugins-extra and compiz-plugins-unsupported seem to be dropped and not maintained by the Unity team anymore, which is a bad thing...
[13:43] <kklimonda> the part of the reason compiz got so stable is that they've dropped a lot of plugins that were not working well with each other ;)
[13:44] <MCR> kklimonda: I am for fixing things not violently removing them...
[13:44] <kklimonda> MCR: but if there is noone ti fix things then some hard decisions have to be made
[13:44] <DrHalan> well stability is most important
[13:44] <MCR> kklimonda: A lot of the removed plugins were working flawlessly...
[13:45] <DrHalan> the only plugin i really miss are the modal windows from oneiric beta
[13:45] <MCR> Sure stability is the most important thing
[13:45] <spacebug-> oops, latest update of my packages broke ubuntu-desktop (unity can't be installed, unmet dependencies)
[13:45] <snadge> id like to see someone fix this bug
[13:45] <snadge> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/770283
[13:46] <snadge> its ancient.. and frustrating :P
[13:46] <MCR> but workspacenames for example is a simple, useful plugin that never made any problems, but is not available anymore
[13:46] <snadge> This bug affects you and 70 other people
[13:47] <snadge> Reported by Kevin Knerr on 2011-04-25
[13:47] <snadge> coming up to its 1 year anniversary ;)
[13:47] <MCR> one can still install the extra and unsupported packages (like I did) at least...
[13:48] <MCR> and compiz still is stable :)
[13:48] <MCR> ironhalik: Thanks a lot for your help with the RMB problem ! :) SOLVED
[13:49] <MCR> ironhalik: (had to remove the PPA)
[13:49] <MCR> (s)
[14:23] <MCR> Does someone know how to best get in contact with Ayatana/Compiz/Unity developers ? Do they have their own channel ?
[14:24] <MCR> #compiz-dev is very quiet these days :-(
[14:25] <brendand> MCR - #ubuntu-unity
[14:26] <MCR> brendand: thanx, very quiet there also :)
[14:28] <dr_willis> too quiet
[14:31] <bjsnider> MCR, compiz's future has been questioned for a while now
[14:33] <bjsnider> for example, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA1Mjc
[14:33] <bjsnider> and, http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2011/12/25/apology-2/
[14:38] <MCR> bjsnider: I read the second one and also talked briefly to smspillaz on the #compiz-dev channel...
[14:38] <bjsnider> yuh huh
[14:38] <MCR> I still hope he comes back to it though ;)
[14:40] <MCR> and I am sure we will get Emerald running on Precise as well :-D
[14:43] <Cajun_Lan_Man> Hello all.  I've been running 12.04 Beta 1 for a few days, and everything has been great (short of a few bugs).  However, this morning, when I'm trying to update the two machines I have running it, I'm getting "Not all updates can be installed" and it's prompting me to do a partial upgrade. Is this ok to do? What is this a partial upgrade to?
[14:49] <ior3k> btw, I installed the beta on an acquaintance's computer (to replace Win XP) this weekend and I must say, the installer is really well done
[14:51] <kklimonda> Cajun_Lan_Man: no it's not ok unless you understand what you're doing
[14:52] <Cajun_Lan_Man> I guess my question is why is it prompting me to do a partial upgrade?
[14:52] <Cajun_Lan_Man> If I'm running 12.04, which is the latest, then what could it be trying to "upgrade" to?
[14:53] <Cajun_Lan_Man> I've never been prompted to do an "upgrade" like that.  Only updates.
[14:54] <kklimonda> Cajun_Lan_Man: it's trying to upgrade packages to their newer versions, but not all dependencies are in place so it can't do that and proposes to upgrade just a part of them (and maybe remove those that it can't - I'm not sure, I haven't used update-manager in a long time)
[14:54] <Cajun_Lan_Man> Ahh.  Well that makes sense.  In other words, it's got to do with the current state of the software in the repositories?
[14:54] <brendand> Cajun_Lan_Man, it's just different wording. Strictly speaking all updates are upgrades.
[14:54] <Cajun_Lan_Man> Being that it's still in beta form, I would understand that.
[14:55] <Cajun_Lan_Man> I just wondered what was going on, because it was more than just one machine doing this.
[14:56] <Cajun_Lan_Man> My son is 10, and I just gave him his first computer to call his own. I put 12.04 on it, and it prompted me for this partial upgrade. That made 3 seperate machines asking for it. (I hadn't installed any software on any of them beyond the standard software included on the ISO)
[14:57] <brendand> Cajun_Lan_Man, why are you making your ten year old use development releases?
[14:57] <Cajun_Lan_Man> Because I'm a cruel parent?
[14:58] <Cajun_Lan_Man> No. 12.04, for me at least, is noticably snappier than 11.10.  And being that it's about a 5 year old PC, it just runs smoother.
[14:59] <brendand> Cajun_Lan_Man, that's good to know. If you run unity-2d then 11.10 should be fine
[14:59] <brendand> Cajun_Lan_Man, i run 11.10 on 1.6 Ghz Atom netbooks and it runs fine
[15:00] <Cajun_Lan_Man> I may bump him down to 11.10 then.  Good to know.
[15:01] <Cajun_Lan_Man> The only thing I really have to do to it is the ndiswrapper for the wifi card I'm using with it.  But I think that's a whole nother IRC channel.
[15:02] <Cajun_Lan_Man> I don't know much about programming, but I love what Canonical and Ubuntu are doing. So for now I just run Ubuntu where I am, and report bugs when they happen.
[15:05] <brendand> Cajun_Lan_Man, that's cool - more beta testers is good :)
[15:17] <allain> latest update failed spectacularly and won't let me send a report. It complains of incorrect padding
[15:57] <zzecool> glosoli: ?
[15:57] <zzecool> i want those updates
[15:57] <zzecool> i cant wait ;p
[15:57] <zzecool> fooking dependencies
[16:18] <spaceneedle> After trying to update , synaptic uninstalled unity-3d. This was probably due to my filing a bug regarding compiz--which was gobbling up 33% of cpu.
[16:34] <spacebug-> now I got the dependencies right but after the latest update things are kind of broken. Shortcut keys like alt+F4 to close I had to reset and now I got back that error with changing desktop with ctrl+F# makes it put out chars to terminal
[16:39] <glosoli> there are landing more updates this day I think
[16:39] <glosoli> :)
[16:40] <spacebug-> I hope ;)
[16:41] <glosoli> I am sure it will, there always comes a bunch of updates with broken dependencies
[16:41] <spacebug-> actually I like the gnome-fallback (no effects) relly much. That and maybe install cairo-dock again and that could might be what I will run later
[16:41] <glosoli> and only after then there comes dependencies
[16:42] <glosoli> spacebug-: you probably will get even faster desktop using it that way :) gnome fallback does have global menu maybe ?
[16:43] <spacebug-> well the dependencies are no longer broken but the new compiz or unity broke things with shortcut keys and such (like I had when I was on unity-team dev ppa
[16:44] <spacebug-> default it is not global menu (and I dont want that. first thing i remove after install)
[16:44] <glosoli> well for me they are, as I am develping apps with Qt, I have a lot of Qt related stuff :)
[16:44] <glosoli> and the same goes for ia32-libs-multiarch
[16:45] <spacebug-> hehe ok
[17:10] <travelinrob> greetings. am i at the right place to discuss beta issues?
[17:12] <travelinrob> greetings. am i at the right place to discuss beta issues?
[17:12] <soaringsky> travelinrob: yes
[17:13] <travelinrob> soaringsky!
[17:14] <travelinrob> so, i had two irc channels open and wanted to quit one. i used /quit and it logged me off the server. how do i do it properly
[17:14] <travelinrob> ?
[17:16] <soaringsky> you would use "/leave #channel"
[17:17] <travelinrob> ah. thank you.
[17:18] <travelinrob> so, regarding bugs. say i have a folder window open (i assume nautilus) and there are multiple folders (directories) listed.
[17:19] <glosoli> spacebug-: check for updates
[17:19] <glosoli> spacebug-: for me everything fixed now
[17:20] <travelinrob> if i highlight the last folder and press shift-home, it hightlights all of the folders as expected. if i go into the last folder (double click or enter) and alt-left arrow back out, it's highlighted. if i then try shift-home again, it doesn't highlight all of the folders, it only highlights the first folder in the list.
[17:22] <travelinrob> even if when i come back out of the folder and it is highlighted and i shift click on an earlier folder, it only highlights the one i click on.
[17:23] <travelinrob> can anyone confirm this behavior?
[17:31] <Mylenthes> HELLO
[17:31] <Mylenthes> anyone there?
[17:31] <travelinrob> ok. well, this seems no productive.
[17:31] <travelinrob> non
[17:31] <Mylenthes> I have another q. If i install gnome shell will it screw up unity?
[17:35] <john38> Does Precise Pangolin use more cpu cores for multitask apps or Oneiric Ocelot?
[17:35] <soaringsky> Mylenthes: not to my knowledge
[17:36]  * patdk-wk wonders exactly how one could change that
[17:36] <patdk-wk> multitask apps can only have so many tasks
[17:36] <patdk-wk> and you can only have so many cpu cores
[17:36] <patdk-wk> nothing will change those
[17:36] <john38> ok
[17:37] <soaringsky> travelinrob: sorry I can't help you. keep asking here and eventually you'll find the right person
[17:37] <patdk-wk> now, an app could be made to use multi-cores better, but that would be on an app by app basis
[17:37] <john38> well what i mean is will it utilize all cores for example 6 cores for faster finishing time
[17:37] <patdk-wk> john, depends on the app
[17:37] <patdk-wk> will the app use all cores or not?
[17:37] <Mylenthes> what does travelinrob need help with?
[17:38] <patdk-wk> the os doesn't limit it
[17:38] <john38> oh
[17:38] <patdk-wk> like, gzip will still only use one core
[17:38] <john38> is it true that command line based apps are faster than gui
[17:39] <soaringsky> Mylenthes: issues with nautilus. look at the irc logs for specifics
[17:39] <Mylenthes> nvm i cant help lol
[17:40] <Mylenthes> ok ima brb
[17:40] <john38> i still use Lucid ..wonder how much different Precise will be
[17:41] <soaringsky> john38: a lot
[17:42] <john38> are the updates in Lucid incorporated in Precise?
[17:42] <john38> or is it different
[17:43] <soaringsky> john38: generally yes. when something is updated in ubuntu the newest versions always get it
[17:44] <john38> Does Precise have a larger list for CUPS
[17:44] <soaringsky> john38: idk, but I would think so
[17:46] <john38> i dual boot lucid and windows 7 does precise allow me to delete lucid partition and install it in its place?
[17:47] <soaringsky> john38: that's going to be really tricky
[17:47] <soaringsky> john38: if you do that, you may run into issues with startup
[17:48] <john38> hm
[17:48] <pa> hi, im sorry to ask here, but i cannot find help anywhere else. anyone familiar with grub rescue prompt? i constantly get symbol not found when i try to insmod modules that are needed to boot
[17:48] <soaringsky> john38: the safest way would be to upgrade in place, but that would leave a messy install
[17:48] <pa> such as normal, help, or linux
[17:48] <john38> yeah i know
[17:48] <Mylenthes> minute i held the key
[17:49] <john38> 5 years support huh
[17:49] <pa> grub_env_export or grub_mm_base
[17:49] <Mylenthes> When they say support, what exactly does that mean? bug fixes?
[17:49] <soaringsky> john38: so unless you really want to spend hours fixing boot issues, I'd upgrade in place
[17:53] <john38> i have Nvidia 470 card and use 32-24 pae kernel with older nvidia driver i have to avoid the newer kernel and newer nvidia driver i wonder if Precise will fix that prob?
[17:53] <DrHalan> yay unity 5.6 kicks in
[17:53] <john38> because it messes up system
[17:54] <soaringsky> Mylenthes: support means bug fixes, irc help, and such
[17:54] <Mylenthes> cool, but i will always use latest anyway lol
[17:55] <soaringsky> Mylenthes: however, support decreases with age. hardy server is still technically supported, you won't find much help
[17:55] <Mylenthes> Soaring, do you know of the move unity launcher to the bottom plugin thing?
[17:55] <travelinrob> Mylenthes: say i have a folder window open (i assume nautilus) and there are multiple folders (directories) listed. if i highlight the last folder and press shift-home, it hightlights all of the folders as expected. if i go into the last folder (double click or enter) and alt-left arrow back out, it's highlighted. if i then try shift-home again, it doesn't highlight all of the folders, it only highlights the first folder in the
[17:55] <travelinrob> list. even if when i come back out of the folder and it is highlighted and i shift click on an earlier folder, it only highlights the one i click on. I was looking to see if anyone can confirm this behavior.
[17:55] <soaringsky> john38: maybe. try a livecd? a lot of things have been fixed in precise
[17:56] <thomas001> hello, before i go and download a iso: does the desktop or alternative version allow to specify custom root filesystem flags? (like btrfs and compression). all i found on the internet was old information which suggests some console hacking while the installer is running
[17:56] <travelinrob> this is running 12.04 beta via live usb.
[17:56] <v0lksman> hello!  I noticed that 12.04 still has nagios3 3.2.3 and not 3.3.1.  Can anyone explain why?
[17:56] <soaringsky> Mylenthes: I don't use unity, sorry
[17:56] <Mylenthes> what do you use?
[17:56] <soaringsky> v0lksman: someone probably forgot to update it
[17:56] <john38> soaringsky, Unity is the newest graphical interface?
[17:57] <soaringsky> Mylenthes: gnome
[17:57] <Mylenthes> ima try gnome
[17:57] <soaringsky> john38: not exactly. there are many different supported interfaces
[17:57] <soaringsky> Mylenthes: shell is really nice and installs easily
[17:58] <soaringsky> v0lksman: does the update fix bugs?
[17:58] <john38> soaringsky, i know KDE Gnome...etc
[17:58] <Mylenthes> travelin, i cant help, I dont really know what exacltly your talking about
[17:58] <Mylenthes> i tried to do it
[17:58] <Mylenthes> but, yeah idk. Just hope it gets fixed
[17:59] <v0lksman> soaringsky: bugs and new features..been out for a while too
[17:59] <Mylenthes> brb
[17:59] <soaringsky> travelinrob: is there a bug reported in launchpad?
[18:00] <travelinrob> if you have a directory with multiple folders and you go into a folder near the end and then alt-back arrow back out and then hold shift and click on another folder it will highlight the folder you click on and not the highlighted and between.
[18:00] <travelinrob> soaringsky, i don't know.
[18:00] <john38> soaringsky, whats the quickest way to report a buy
[18:00] <v0lksman> soaringsky: I tried to build my own package but the patches fail pretty spectacularly.
[18:00] <john38> soaringsky, bug
[18:00] <soaringsky> v0lksman: is the new version in Debian?
[18:00] <soaringsky> !reportbug
[18:01] <v0lksman> soaringsky: not that I can see
[18:01] <trism> !info nagios3 unstable
[18:01] <soaringsky> travelinrob: john38 run the command ubuntu-bug nautilus
[18:02] <john38> soaringsky, ok..in command line?
[18:02] <soaringsky> john38: yes
[18:02] <john38> soaringsky, what are system requirements in Precise with Unity 3D
[18:03] <soaringsky> v0lksman: ok, its probably not going to get in. maybe we'll do an SRU eventually
[18:03] <soaringsky> john38: idk
[18:03] <john38> soaringsky, i'll look it up
[18:03] <v0lksman> soaringsky: okee dokee...thanks for looking into it!
[18:03] <soaringsky> v0lksman: google ubuntu sru process
[18:04] <andrewaclt> Can somebody else on 12.04 go to the terminal run python and then type "import os" and then "os.urandom(1) and see what it says?
[18:10] <trism> andrewaclt: just a "random" byte, 'y' in my case, why?
[18:10] <andrewaclt> trism, I'm getting an ImportError: cannot import name urandom
[18:10] <bluefrog> it  will say something different each time as it has to do with entropy
[18:10] <andrewaclt> lol yes, I know
[18:12] <travelinrob> soaringsky: filed!
[18:12] <andrewaclt> bluefrog, trism it looks like my virtualenv was busted reinstalling fixed it all (odd)
[18:12] <soaringsky> travelinrob: cool. hopefully someone will find and fix
[18:13] <trism> andrewaclt: definitely odd, at least it's fixed
[18:14] <travelinrob> soaringsky. also, if i install software via a deb file, it doesn't seem to show in the unity menu interface. i have to start it from command line.
[18:16] <soaringsky> travelinrob: that shouldn't be happening. are you sure the debs were properly installed, and where did the debs come from?
[18:16] <travelinrob> one example was google-earth
[18:17] <gavinstark> When installing from ubuntu-12.04-beta1-dvd-i386 in VMWare Fusion (3.1.3) I get a default screen resolution of 5120x3000. Not exactly sure where/how to search if this has already been reported.
[18:17] <soaringsky> travelinrob: many third-party debs don't work properly with ubuntu's menu system
[18:18] <travelinrob> it installs through software manager successfully, but isn't listed anywhere in the search or menus.
[18:18] <travelinrob> chromium has issues, as well.
[18:19] <soaringsky> travelinrob: those programs probably don't have menus set up correctly
[18:19] <FunnyLookinHat> My Thinkpad T410 won't suspend when I close the lid - no matter what settings I have in Power Settings...  where should I report that sort of a bug ( or check for a duplicate ) ?
[18:20] <travelinrob> if you minimize it, you can't get it back. clicking the icon in the bar only opens a new instance. i had to set it up to open last opened tabs on startup. then if i accidentally minimize it, i have to kill the task via commandline and then click the icon again.
[18:20] <soaringsky> travelinrob: however, there is a semi-official chromium ppa out there that works
[18:20] <itaylor57> FunnyLookinHat, do you know the current bios version for the lemur2?
[18:21] <soaringsky> travelinrob: http://askubuntu.com/questions/89058/how-to-install-the-latest-stable-version-of-chromium
[18:21] <itaylor57> travelinrob, i am having no problems with chromium
[18:21] <travelinrob> another thing that happens often is windows will open with their title bar above the top bar. Then, I can't move them because i can't grab the top.
[18:22] <travelinrob> itaylor57, are you running 12.04?
[18:22] <itaylor57> yes
[18:22] <travelinrob> beta
[18:22] <itaylor57> travelinrob, yes
[18:22] <travelinrob> live?
[18:22] <itaylor57> no upgraded from 11.10
[18:23] <travelinrob> that may be the difference as it worked for you prior to upgrade.
[18:23] <soaringsky> travelinrob: I don't use unity, so I'm not an expert in that situation
[18:23] <travelinrob> obviously, i'm giving it a shot.
[18:23] <itaylor57> yea but i have a totally different version after i upgraded
[18:24] <itaylor57> 17.0.963.79 (Developer Build 125985 Linux) Ubuntu 12.04
[18:24] <travelinrob> how do i get that number?
[18:25] <travelinrob> what command?
[18:25] <itaylor57> i got it from chromium help about
[18:26] <Mylenthes> hey, is there any way to make it so that i can have it set to not need a password to login, but still be able to authenticate
[18:26] <Mylenthes> or is that a bug?
[18:26] <glosoli> there is an option
[18:26] <glosoli> :)
[18:26] <glosoli> System Settings -> Users
[18:26] <Mylenthes> I know, but then when i try to install something
[18:26] <micahg> travelinrob: that version of chromium was uploaded < 12 hours ago :)
[18:26] <Mylenthes> the authentication fails
[18:27] <glosoli> Mylenthes: it doesn't ask to authenticate ????
[18:27] <Mylenthes> it does
[18:27] <Mylenthes> but because i have no password
[18:27] <Mylenthes> it fails
[18:27] <glosoli> Mylenthes: well you have to get one :)
[18:27] <travelinrob> micahg, ok. thanks. the live version has no help -> about.
[18:27] <Mylenthes> but i dont want one :(
[18:27] <Mylenthes> I hate having to type it everytime
[18:27] <glosoli> Mylenthes: lost ?
[18:27] <Mylenthes> i login
[18:27] <glosoli> aaa
[18:27] <glosoli> so use windows :)
[18:27] <glosoli> and be unsecure
[18:27] <Mylenthes> >:0
[18:28] <Mylenthes> I would shoot myself
[18:28] <glosoli> what's the point of linux by allowing anyone to do anything ? even wouldn't make any sense for bsd systems
[18:28] <Mylenthes> i dont care if my family does
[18:28] <glosoli> Mylenthes: but do you care what online people can do to yu ?
[18:28] <glosoli> accesing your data having your permission
[18:28] <glosoli> :))
[18:29] <Mylenthes> oh they can do that?
[18:29] <Mylenthes> well then
[18:29] <glosoli> Nothing is impossible
[18:29] <glosoli> But it would make easier for them you not having password
[18:29] <soaringsky> yes, having a good password is always a good idea
[18:29] <Mylenthes> k ill keep it then
[18:30] <Mylenthes> Oh god
[18:30] <Mylenthes> I screwed up now
[18:30] <glosoli> Mylenthes: at least if you so hate a passwords, try to think of easy one which is familiar to smth with your childhood or anything :)
[18:30] <Mylenthes> Im trying to reset a password
[18:30] <Mylenthes> but its asking for authentication
[18:30] <Mylenthes> now what?
[18:30] <glosoli> Ctrl+C
[18:31] <glosoli> if you don't remember one
[18:31] <glosoli> ;D
[18:31] <Mylenthes> well cant hackers just do that then
[18:31] <glosoli> Ctrl+C ? ;D
[18:31] <glosoli> it will cancel command
[18:31] <glosoli> :DD
[18:31] <Mylenthes> oh
[18:31] <Mylenthes> trolol
[18:31] <Mylenthes> srsly, how do i set a password without authentication
[18:32] <glosoli> no way
[18:32] <glosoli> :D
[18:32] <glosoli> or recovery mode
[18:32] <glosoli> well recovery mode will do it
[18:32] <Mylenthes> you're kidding me
[18:32] <travelinrob> i tried to open a link in xchat, and it worked, but it also put  a giant white box on my screen that covers anything below and i can't get rid of it. any ideas?
[18:32] <glosoli> travelinrob: log in log out ? and update your system if there is any updates available
[18:32] <glosoli> Mylenthes: ofc not :)
[18:32] <Mylenthes> omg
[18:32] <Mylenthes> thats so stupid
[18:32] <FunnyLookinHat> itaylor57, I don't - but you could open a support case and our techs should be able to respond pretty quickly.
[18:33] <Mylenthes> that has to be a bug
[18:33] <glosoli> Mylenthes: what's stupid ?
[18:33] <glosoli> Being asked to enter password to change one ?
[18:33] <Mylenthes> that if you have no password, that you need a password to create one
[18:33] <glosoli> if you wouldn't be asked it will be the same as not having one
[18:33] <itaylor57> FunnyLookinHat, no problem thanks
[18:33] <Mylenthes> but i have none
[18:33] <glosoli> Mylenthes: you don't have password
[18:33] <glosoli>  ? :D
[18:33] <Mylenthes> no
[18:33] <FunnyLookinHat> itaylor57, sure thing - sorry that's not my dept.  :)
[18:33] <glosoli> Mylenthes: no for don't or no for you have ?
[18:33] <Mylenthes> I dont
[18:34] <glosoli> hmm how ?
[18:34] <Mylenthes> user accounts > password > "Log in without a password"
[18:34] <glosoli> lol
[18:34] <glosoli> you just log in without password
[18:34] <glosoli> that doesn't mean you don't have one
[18:34] <glosoli> :)
[18:34] <Mylenthes> Yeah but i cant install stuff
[18:34] <glosoli> it's called auto login
[18:35] <glosoli> Mylenthes: dude
[18:35] <glosoli> Mylenthes: when you installed system
[18:35] <glosoli> you were asked to enter password
[18:35] <Mylenthes> the authentication fails
[18:35] <Mylenthes> I tryed that
[18:35] <glosoli> that's the password for authentication
[18:35] <Mylenthes> It fails
[18:35] <Mylenthes> I know im entering it right
[18:35] <glosoli> your keyboard or fingers fails then
[18:35] <glosoli> check for Caps Lock
[18:35] <Mylenthes> no
[18:35] <Mylenthes> trust me
[18:35] <glosoli> Or Keyboard layout
[18:35] <Mylenthes> nope
[18:35] <glosoli> trust me, it doesn't fail :)
[18:35] <Mylenthes> k ill keep trying
[18:36] <glosoli> Have run into same problems when was tired
[18:36] <Mylenthes> i entered it slowly
[18:36] <glosoli> CHECK FOR CAPS
[18:36] <glosoli> if you entered in installation using CAPS, so you need to enter here with CAPS, if you didin't entered with caps, you can't do any CAPS
[18:36] <Mylenthes> I did
[18:36] <Mylenthes> I didnt have caps
[18:36] <Mylenthes> trust me, ive been using that password for like a week now
[18:36] <Mylenthes> I always get it first try
[18:36] <glosoli> so you must be entering smth incorrectly
[18:36] <Mylenthes> I went slowly
[18:37] <glosoli> might it be someone changed ir for you ?
[18:37] <glosoli> roomates or smth
[18:37] <Mylenthes> I think it may be a bug, that if you set the auto logon, it erases your password
[18:37] <Mylenthes> no
[18:37] <Mylenthes> couldnt be
[18:37] <Mylenthes> anyway found this onluine
[18:37] <Mylenthes> passwd
[18:37] <Mylenthes> allows you to set a new one
[18:38] <Mylenthes> im a try seting no password again, knowing that i entered it correctly
[18:38] <Mylenthes> and tell you if it still fails
[18:38] <Mylenthes> btw it works now
[18:39] <Mylenthes> yeah its a bug
[18:39] <soaringsky> !bug
[18:39] <glosoli> Mylenthes: ah, sorry, then please try to report it
[18:40] <Mylenthes> im reporting now
[18:40] <Mylenthes> oh god im too lazy
[18:40] <Mylenthes> theyll fix it themselves hopefully lol
[18:42] <soaringsky> for me, whenever I hope a bug will get fixed by itself, it never gets fixed
[18:42] <soaringsky> so I always report
[18:42] <Mylenthes> lol, i dont really care though
[18:42] <Mylenthes> this time
[18:42] <glosoli> Hmm..
[18:42] <glosoli> that's the "spirit"
[18:43] <soaringsky> true, but someone else will probably have the issue. we'd like to fix it before release
[18:43] <travelinrob> i know that sudo reboot now restarts the computer. is there a command for logout?
[18:43] <glosoli> travelinrob: kill gnome-session
[18:43] <glosoli> as far as I know
[18:43] <glosoli> sudo pkill gnome-session
[18:44] <glosoli> or sudo killall gnome-session
[18:50] <spacebug-> glosoli: not updates regarding unity 3d or compiz in latest update. Since this was what I experienced when having the dev PPA enabled I think it is a feature/update they want but it sadly breaks much
[18:50] <glosoli> aaa dev ppa omg
[18:50] <glosoli> :DDD
[18:51] <spacebug-> well that unity-team PPA
[18:52] <spacebug-> but I dont have that enabled now but got the update I had when I had that enabled
[18:52] <spacebug-> so it's like it is a new thing they have put in main now
[18:52] <Mylenthes> aw man gnomeshell doesnt work
[18:53] <Mylenthes> as far as i can tell, im sure it CAN work its just not
[18:53] <Mylenthes> freezes after logon like unity used to do
[18:53] <glosoli> spacebug-: you can always ppa purge
[18:54] <spacebug-> glosoli: I did if you remember. So the update I got now is from main
[18:54] <glosoli> aa :)
[18:54] <glosoli> sorry programming
[18:54] <glosoli> a bit, so mind is whole messed up
[18:54] <spacebug-> :)
[18:56] <glosoli> spacebug-: In btw there was updates for unity for me
[18:56] <glosoli> it's at 5.6 now
[18:56] <spacebug-> the thing is that the shortcuts binded in compiz (or system-settings for that matter) seems to not do what I bind them to, but also send the key kombo to the application
[18:56] <spacebug-> yes, what I got also
[18:58] <glosoli> tryed to reset compiz ?
[19:00] <spacebug-> I think. Will try again
[19:13] <ryan_> Hello. Is this a bug? The overlay when pressing and holding the super key (or Windows logo key) is not in US english - and my language settings are set to US English, not UK English.
[19:19] <spacebug-> glosoli: unity --reset did not help
[19:19] <Mylenthes> spacebug-: your having trouble getting unity to work?
[19:21] <glosoli> spacebug-: sorry to hear that
[19:21] <glosoli> saschakb: are you using this as a main computer ?
[19:23] <spacebug-> Mylenthes: kind of yes. shortcut keys messin
[19:24] <saschakb> glosoli: Yes, I do, why do you ask?
[19:24] <spacebug-> Mylenthes: I want ctrl+F# to switch to different desktops. Bind the keys do make the dekstop switch but also it sends the key-combo to the running application
[19:24] <glosoli> saschakb: sorry mistakenly asked your nick :)
[19:24] <glosoli> spacebug-: do you use it as in main machine  ?
[19:24] <saschakb> lol - okay
[19:24] <spacebug-> glosoli: yes =)
[19:24] <Mylenthes> oh i thought you had trouble starting it
[19:25] <glosoli> spacebug-: so you probably feel like I felt some days ago when everything went unstable :D
[19:25] <spacebug-> Mylenthes: ah, no
[19:25] <spacebug-> glosoli: yeah kind of hehe
[19:25] <glosoli> spacebug-: even thought at that time to erase whole hdd and go back to MrMoney production :D
[19:25] <spacebug-> don't know if I should file a bug repport or just wait
[19:26] <glosoli> file a bug if you have time
[19:26] <glosoli> ;D
[19:26] <spacebug-> I do have time yes hehe
[19:32] <MCR> now upgrade worx :)
[19:32] <Mylenthes> is it possible to rotate unity launcher to the bottom in precise?
[19:33] <Mylenthes> gnome has an update
[19:33] <Mylenthes> compiz sorry
[19:36] <itaylor57> Mylenthes, the unity launcher only makes sense where it is on the left
[19:37] <Mylenthes> how
[19:37] <Mylenthes> how does it not if its not?
[19:52] <MCR> btw, compiz-plugins-extra have been updated in Universe for Precise as well :) So whoever did that: THANX A LOT :) !
[19:52] <glosoli> MCR: anything changed  ?
[19:55] <MCR> glosoli: Hard to say, did just update and had them already installed (older version), but it is good to see those do not get dropped in Precise and are installable via Universe repo...
[19:56] <spacebug-> And there it was done. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/953349
[19:56] <glosoli> anyway I wish some day canonical will start developing by themself some user friend video/audio editng apps and smth  :) that could lead the to success
[20:06] <bjsnider> MCR, what did smspillaz tell you when you talked to him?
[20:19] <faceprint> anyone upgrade and find their keyboard shortcuts that use  the win/super key defunct?  I can't find anything recent in launchpad to point me in the right direction
[20:23] <itaylor57> Unity 3D keybindings are by default Ctrl + Alt + arrow keys for switching workspaces and Ctrl + Alt + Shift + arrow keys for moving a window between workspaces. However Unity 2D keybindings are still on the newer changes that has been reverted for 3D, meaning Shift + Super + arrow keys for switching workspace, and Super + Alt + arrows keys for movig a window between workspaces. A metacity upload is staged to revert it to the prev
[20:23] <itaylor57> ious defaults as well
[20:24] <itaylor57> well that didn't paste what i wanted anyways
[20:26] <itaylor57> faceprint, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/unity-5-2-lands-in-precise-brings-numerous-changes/
[20:28] <itaylor57> holding superkey will show what the "new" keyboard shortcuts are
[20:29] <spacebug-> faceprint: I have problems with shortcuts
[20:30] <faceprint> itaylor57: holding superkey doesn't show anything, the keyboard shortcuts in the keyboard settings don't work if "Super" is part of them
[20:31] <spacebug-> faceprint: for me alt+tab does not work and other keybindings for changing desktop to 1 to 4 do work but also the key-combo gets sent to the application
[20:32] <spacebug-> faceprint: I filed this report earlier. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/953349
[20:33] <itaylor57> for some reason my just seem to work as advertised
[20:44] <Mylenthes> what does the update for compiz add / do?
[20:45] <Mylenthes> !compiz
[20:45] <Mylenthes> !mymom
[20:45] <Mylenthes> !app
[20:45] <Mylenthes> !map
[20:47] <mongo> is "super" key a gnome naming thing? why not just call it what it is "meta" [/getoffmylawn]
[20:49] <dboehmer> hello
[20:49] <dboehmer> can somebody give hints how to configure KVM networking in 12.04?
[20:50] <Tigerboy> I have 12.04 and mplayer and kdenlive both crash the desktop(so you go back to the logon prompt) the very instant I try to play a video file. I have AMD gpu there is a fix for this problem but I can't find it.
[20:50] <mongo> dboehmer: install bridge-utils and set up the bridges in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:51] <dboehmer> mongo, i found a preconfigured virbr0 and thought if might be of use?
[20:51] <mongo> dboehmer: do you only want nated interfaces?
[20:51] <dboehmer> i found lots of tutorials for earlier version describing how to setup a br0
[20:52] <mongo> you need to set up br0 if you want to have IP addresses on your local network
[20:52] <Mylenthes> Is it normal for themes to not theme unity's windows?
[20:52] <dboehmer> mongo, i have 2 ethernet ports and mostly want VMs bridged to eth1
[20:52] <mongo> dboehmer: and you want inbound services?
[20:53] <dboehmer> yes
[20:53] <mongo> yes set up br0
[20:53] <dboehmer> mongo, thank your making that clear
[20:53] <dboehmer> can you describe what vibr0 is for? i couldn't find a source explaining that in a simple way
[20:54] <mongo> vibr0 will give a private address to the VM and NAT all traffic as if it was from the hypervisor
[20:55] <mongo> if you shut down the "default" net in libvirt it will go away
[20:55] <mongo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking
[20:55] <mongo> set up your interfaces file like described on that page
[20:55] <dboehmer> mongo, ok. i don't see why we need a bridge on the host for that but good to know
[20:55] <dboehmer> mongo, i won't disable the possibility of NATed VMs. might use it for test purposes
[20:56] <mongo> dboehmer: the guests need to connect to something, it is just a bridge behind a "firewall"
[20:56] <mongo> are you using virt-manager?
[20:56] <dboehmer> yes
[20:57] <dboehmer> i already have a VM up and running, just need to make it bridged to allow inbound connections
[20:58] <mongo> once you get br0 up and going that will be easy, just change it to "specify shared device name" and put br0 in the box
[20:58] <dboehmer> mongo, couldn't qemu emulate a network interface and send masqueraded packages to the default network systems? i don't understand the necessity to have a bridge *on the host*. in contrast virtualbox doesn't need a host bridge AFAIK
[20:59] <dboehmer> great!
[20:59] <dboehmer> if i don't want my host to be accessible on IP in the VM net i don't need to set an IP, right?
[20:59] <mongo> dboehmer: something needs to act as a bridge, qemu would be slower than the kernel, thus the use of bridge-utils
[21:00] <mongo> correct, just set it to iface eth1 inet manual
[21:00] <dboehmer> mongo, "inet static" you mean?
[21:01] <mongo> no static is for a static IP
[21:02] <mongo> hopefully debian/ubuntu will make network-manager work with the new vswitch soon, they have ignored bridge-utils thus it is a bit odd to get working
[21:03] <Mylenthes> Can someone help me with theming
[21:04] <Mylenthes> All my themes causes white backgrounds to have white text
[21:21] <glosoli> Mylenthes: well if you are on precise that's likely what should happen
[21:21] <glosoli> Mylenthes: as there was some updates for Metacity, Themers need to update their themes
[21:21] <Mylenthes> oh
[21:21] <Mylenthes> yeah it did update
[21:22] <Mylenthes> I have a new problem though
[21:22] <ironhalik> hmm, alt+f4 kinda stopped working for me :>
[21:22] <Mylenthes> all the themes have white text on white backgrounds
[21:22] <Mylenthes> i found a fix
[21:22] <Mylenthes> http://askubuntu.com/questions/105471/white-text-on-white-background-problem
[21:22] <Mylenthes> but if i try to save my edited file, it says i dont have permission
[21:23] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[21:23] <ironhalik> its in /usr/share - you need to do it via sudo
[21:23] <glosoli> hey FernandoMiguel, ironhalik
[21:23] <ironhalik> sudo gedit /usr/share/themes/...
[21:23] <ironhalik> hola
[21:23] <Mylenthes> oh ok
[21:23] <Mylenthes> thanks
[21:25] <ironhalik> Mylenthes: I had some bad expirience with editing gtk themes
[21:25] <ironhalik> Had better luck with gnome-color-chooser
[21:26] <Mylenthes> gnome color chooser?
[21:26] <Mylenthes> cuz i just edited it
[21:26] <Mylenthes> and it didnt do anything
[21:27] <Mylenthes> nvm found it
[21:27] <dboehmer> mongo, thanks! it's working:-)
[21:38] <Mylenthes> gnome color tool doesnt have an option to fix that specific color
[21:38] <Mylenthes> i think
[21:39] <glosoli> Said you already :)
[21:39] <glosoli> No custom themes work as original ones for now
[21:43] <Mylenthes> srsly
[21:43] <Mylenthes> dat suck
[21:43] <Mylenthes> why
[21:43] <glosoli> Themers need to update their themes
[21:43] <glosoli> :)
[21:44] <glosoli> Metacity was updated
[21:44] <Mylenthes> oh
[21:44] <Mylenthes> I saw compiz got updated, I should of assumed
[21:45] <Tigerboy>  I have 12.04 and mplayer and kdenlive both crash the desktop(so you go back to the logon prompt) the very instant I try to play a video file. I have AMD gpu there is a fix for this problem but I can't find it.
[21:51] <mikodo> Hi, I want to test "daily builds", in a VM. Where can I get information on the "builds" and how to install and daily update them, for testing and filling bug reports? I'll do the reading, from any links provided. Thanks
[21:53] <mikodo> Sorry, a little more ... This information, I am seeking, is for the future. Not, for Precise!
[21:59] <mikodo> Example: Would an VM install of this, update itself once installed, or could I?
[21:59] <mikodo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[21:59] <steve81> hello i am having a minor issue am wondering if anyone can help me
[22:04] <steve81> hello i am having a minor issue am wondering if anyone can help me
[22:05] <itaylor57> !ask | steve81
[22:07] <steve81> i am using ubuntu 12.04 and i have gdm as my greeter i want to change to lightdm (unity-greeter) and i changed it but it looks weird its doesnt look like it should and it asks me for a username and password ussualy i log in with just a password
[22:07] <steve81> how would i show a screenshot
[22:10] <Mylenthes> nick bobbeh
[22:11] <ThatOneDudeFromA> yup
[22:18] <Guest95336> Can I upgrade from 10.04LTS to Ubuntu 12.04LTS ( 32-bit desktop ) beta ?
[22:24] <Tigerboy> mplayer and kdenlive both crash the desktop(so you go back to the logon prompt) the very instant I try to play a video file. I have AMD gpu there is a fix for this problem but I can't find it.
[22:55] <MountainX> Anyone using Kubuntu 12.04 having problems with Firefox not being able to open containing folder of downloaded items?
[22:58] <steve81> i am have an issue if someone can help when I try to update by using update manager, displaying a message : "Failed to down load repository information. Check your Internet connection.
[22:58] <itaylor57> steve81, change which repo you are using
[22:59] <itaylor57> settings in bottom left of update manager
[23:07] <MountainX> which plugins should Firefox include in Kubuntu? I have only 1 plugin, whereas in gnome there are a dozen (such as Gnome Shell Integration plugin).
[23:32] <Tigerboy> steve81: try to see if you have sudo in front and also please see if you are not running any other package manager.
[23:49] <lcc> I have been recieving kernel panics on 12.04, but don't know how to debug and report them.
[23:49] <lcc> I have never had panics on 11.10.
[23:50] <lcc> with generic ubuntu kernels only
[23:50] <FernandoMiguel> lcc: $ubuntu-bug linux
[23:50] <lcc> ok
[23:53] <MountainX> is there a kubuntu 12.04 channel?
[23:56] <arand> MountainX: No, I think this one is for all +1