[04:46] akgraner: Did you know HP Cloud uses Linaro? [04:46] :D [04:47] :-) [04:47] akgraner: I'm in their private beta and noticed this in one of the instances Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.1-9ubuntu3 [04:47] :D [04:48] yep - if you look we're in a lot of places :-) [04:49] bkerensa, glad you noticed, it's really cool... [04:52] indeed [04:52] :D [07:54] good morning [08:25] Morning dholbach! Good weekend? [08:26] hi nigelb [08:26] yep [08:28] :) [08:28] Hi ara, dpm :) [08:28] hey all! [08:28] nigelb, how about you? [08:29] dholbach: Not bad. Buried under work though :) [08:43] hey nigelb ;) [08:55] aloha === angela-android is now known as nothingspecial [10:25] o/ [11:29] mornin [11:30] o/ cjohnston [11:30] How are you today? [11:30] alive [11:31] Sounds positive ;) [12:26] balloons: ping [12:32] * jussi is feeling great! I hope everyone else can take a positive spin into today - cause at least one person in the world is feeling good :) [12:59] jussi my positive meter must have the monday blues ;) lol [13:02] can anyone give me a very freely licensed (ie. no attribution needed) screenshot of a clean install of unity? [13:08] jussi: you need the default icons on the dash? [13:08] cprofitt: yes, straight clean if possible [13:08] I do not have access to such right now... I have a few changes on mine [13:10] https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-IWqr3Tm7ElQ/T1pF3BV48LI/AAAAAAAAAOM/LjcGcGfrG3M/s994/Screenshot+at+2012-03-09+13%3A02%3A35.png [13:10] that is my current [13:11] just in case that helps [13:12] cprofitt: looks actually fine. I can use that freely? (commercially) [13:12] yep [13:12] cprofitt: thanks very much [13:12] np [13:41] grrr irc [13:44] * jussi hugs jcastro [13:44] jcastro: what I said before :) [14:32:59] -*- jussi is feeling great! I hope everyone else can take a positive spin into today - cause at least one person in the world is feeling good :) [13:45] hah [13:45] touche` [13:59] Just a point of reference: do not play jcastro in risk [13:59] he will crush you. [13:59] that's the first time [13:59] I usually get wailed on [13:59] poor poland, we barely knew ye. [13:59] jcastro: Considering I've never played before, I'm surprised I lasted this long. :) [14:00] the trick is to concentrate on a continent/color [14:00] like in the cold war one [14:00] you get a +3 if you have all of england and scottland [14:00] so you try to move from clump tp clump [14:01] but like, if you're Germany you might be in trouble [14:01] in the other game I ended up concentrated in germany, now I am surrounded [14:05] should have invaded Russia [14:05] that always works out well for Germany [14:07] mhall119: Yeah. :) [14:07] mhall119: lol [14:08] Well, I'll know better for next time. [14:08] This is the board game right? [14:08] also. I fail today. I got stuck in the office for rush hour. [14:08] Another 1 hour wait before I can get out of here :( [14:14] * dholbach is not available for comment [14:16] lol [14:16] hah [14:21] Good Morning === JanC_ is now known as JanC [15:00] dholbach, hey, going to be a few mins late [15:00] sure sure [15:00] :-) [15:02] mhall119, jcastro: another nice comment we got in the dev advisory team: "I have received appreciation from many people like Michael Hall, Jorge Castro and yourself and this is very welcoming and also encouraging! It is a nice feeling when your work gets appreciated and noticed!" [15:02] oh awesome [15:02] it must be my nice clone [15:02] speaking of awesome [15:02] yeah, encouragement from jcastro is pretty rare [15:03] I had an awesome experience getting a wireless bug fixed [15:03] jcastro: nice clone, lol [15:03] https://plus.google.com/116015965439782966698/posts/72jvPPjb1x1 [15:03] I would have not been able to do that in the past ^^ [15:04] dholbach: was that comment from someone on the dev advistory team, or an external developer? [15:04] a new contributor we talked to [15:05] obviously I paid him off [15:05] haha [15:06] dholbach, ok, one set [15:06] sec [15:08] dholbach, invite sent [15:08] dholbach: nice! [15:12] mhall119, are you jujuing on canonistack or just normal instances? [15:12] yes, I used juju as a verb [15:13] jcastro - I think juju can be used as every part of speech :-) [15:15] jcastro: normal for now [15:22] dpm, any word on disqus? [15:23] jcastro, ah, I had to come back to you on this one, sorry. I filed an RT ticket to deploy it a while ago, but IS haven't come back to me yet [15:23] ok [15:32] dpm, sorry will be two mins late [15:33] jono, no worries, no rush [15:37] jcastro: We should have a chat with the FC and IS to set a firm date for the forums upgrade. [15:37] ok [15:38] probably a good idea [15:38] :) [15:38] dpm, That announcement is now live btw. [15:39] I was think we could launch soonish and call it beta till Ubuntu 12.04 is released [15:39] s-fox, yeah, I just read your e-mail, thanks a lot for your help :) [15:41] dpm, No worries. [15:41] technoviking, hmm, I thought joeb made it so old threads weren't spidered by the googles? [15:42] shrug thought so to, but think that happened after I left FC/admin [15:43] s-fox, can you check into that? [15:43] for example if you do a logged out search for "ubuntu broadcom" on google the first forum thread is from 2006 [15:43] dpm, ok, all set [15:43] I thought we had fixed that [15:43] jono, ok! [15:43] jono: did you look at the community web themes for your css stuff? [15:44] dpm, invite sent [15:44] cjohnston, I already got a pretty rocking submission from Brandon [15:44] cool [15:44] jcastro, I'll see what the score is. [15:45] jcastro: this thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683 [15:45] iirc joeb set it up so anything older than X wouldn't be indexed [15:45] yeah, that one [15:45] jcastro, I thought it was anything in the archives [15:45] s-fox, that'll work too [15:45] That particular thread is not in the archives [15:46] ok so do I flag it instead? [15:47] Could we edit the thread and put in bold on front "This info is out of date!!!" [15:47] or just remove it? [15:47] jcastro: +1 [15:47] there's likely a newer thread that can just be reindexed [15:47] -1 deletion. Archive is my preference. [15:48] what possible good can that thread do? [15:48] jcastro, The information contained within that thread is 1 year out of date. It would be a great source of information for a newer thread to be created. Why start from scratch ? [15:49] agree, as long as the thread is visible users will use it and possibly mess up their systems. It does a true dis-service for them [15:50] looking at the newest page it doesn't appear to have correct information either [15:51] jcastro, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9573692&postcount=582 [15:51] I'm just saying that thread is hogging the google juice for more up to date broadcom questions [15:53] lolcomments. [15:53] How on earth is someone supposed to find comment number five hundred and eighty two? [15:53] I found it without really trying popey [15:53] it isn't about #582 [15:53] it's about post #1 [15:54] "I haven't had a Broadcom card for many months, but I've been told this how-to doesn't work properly under Dapper. Here are a couple of links that have been passed to me - but I can't vouch for their quality." [15:54] dapper...lol [15:55] jcastro, The original poster has the opportunity to update the thread with more recent information. [15:55] s-fox: you're somewhat more experienced at this than most [15:55] You mean I look at the last comments? [15:55] ok so that guy bailed, so let's get rid of it! [15:56] jcastro: We do not like to delete stuff from the database as it often causes problems, but I do not mind editing the first post [15:56] Is there a link we should point to for more up to date information ? [15:56] the link s-fox posted should be fine I guess [15:57] that link is still two years old though [15:57] * bodhi_zazen looks on the wiki [15:57] yeah [15:57] link to the wiki result in the search [15:58] this one ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [15:58] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [15:58] there's a 2nd one on the wiki but it's a candidate for deletion [15:58] Thanks [15:58] The information would be better placed on the wiki, it allows for multiple people to update the information. As it stands only the OP and forum staff can update any post. [15:59] And that is a general comment on the tutorials and tips section. [15:59] is deletion a problem with vbulletin 4.x? [16:03] jcastro, Any thread can be deleted, the issue is people would complain "my post count dropped - WHY?" [16:03] wait, what? [16:04] that hardly seems like a valid reason to leave bad information around [16:04] "sorry, your post had to be sacrificed for a greater good" [16:04] or, if they want it to not be removed ... update it! [16:05] How's that jcastro ? [16:05] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=125537#post125537 [16:05] ok better [16:05] but is removing threads a technical problem or a social one? [16:05] reducing post count should not be a reason to prevent the forums to provide the best information available [16:06] technical problem [16:06] The database is large, and tends to become unstable if posts are deleted [16:06] ok do we know if vbulletin 4.x fixes this? [16:06] Perhaps the upgrade will fix it [16:06] ok [16:06] unstable? that doesn't sound good [16:06] Yea, we sometimes have to backtrack deleted posts in #canonical-sysadmin [16:07] I have been in contact with canonical information services regarding issues that have occured due to deletion of records. [16:07] It hasn't been fun [16:07] bodhi_zazen: that is due to the DB maintenance script not being run [16:07] The database is several GB and deleting a post causes hiccups [16:07] s-fox: has the cause been identified? [16:07] technoviking: do you know how to fix it ? [16:07] mhall119, Yes, deleting records does not update all database tables. [16:08] something I have found in the upgrade [16:08] s-fox: is that a bug in v-bulletin's delete code? [16:08] mhall119, I would say bug, yes. [16:08] s-fox: is it filed somewhere? and is there a fix? [16:08] i think, not sure what effect running the script has on forums access, and it does take awhile [16:09] mhall119, An update to the forum software would be a good starting place. [16:09] but this they run automatically when going to vB4. [16:09] s-fox: ok, what is the status of upgrading? Are you in talks with IS about it? [16:09] staging is upgraded [16:09] so it's almost ready [16:09] ok [16:10] I have the theme on it and working on plugins now [16:10] nice, the jira bugtracker makes you create a login [16:10] s-fox: bodhi_zazen: if the delete problems can be fixed, is there any objections then to deleting old/invalid threads? [16:10] so you can't just easily browse vbulletin bugs [16:10] * mhall119 dislikes jira [16:11] brb [16:11] I have no objections , would like to work with canonical to do a few test cases [16:11] bodhi_zazen: manual or automated? [16:11] Would want to warn the community, I can see a flood of objections [16:11] I have deleted thing on staging with zero issues [16:11] it's ok I got flamed last time, I'd be happy to get flamed again [16:11] it maybe a squid issue more than vB4.x [16:11] mhall119, -1 on automation . Just because a thread is old does not always means that the information isn't accurate [16:12] I would prefer to use it as an opportunity to ask the community to move to wiki for documentation, wiki is easier for peer review & maintance [16:12] s-fox: I meant automated or manual testing [16:12] +1 bodhi_zazen , wiki [16:12] I would be in favor of closing the tutorial and tips section, asking people to submit to the wiki instead [16:12] I'm just an old county sysadmin, and don't know about this fancy squid stuff:) [16:12] So we should probably start closting tips and tutorials -> encourage wiki [16:12] warn about old posts [16:12] bodhi_zazen: we're investigating a replacement for the wiki for help.u.c [16:12] dholbach is here \o/ [16:12] I would like to see a better archiving method as well [16:12] s-fox, I was here all the time :) [16:13] I just rebooted to check out the new unity, etc [16:13] bodhi_zazen: it would probably be good if you or s-fox blog about the new direction and justification for it [16:13] As a community , we should rival the Arch wiki [16:13] +1 on arch wiki being amazing [16:13] Our wiki sucks, I don't buy that the AW is that good. [16:13] And we sort of need a 6 month archival cycle , in sync with release, but that is IMO [16:13] SUMO, ftw! [16:13] If my answer to users was "you suck for not being smart" then my wiki would be amazing too [16:17] Perhaps all these changes would be better post upgrade, we're probably going to get a lot of "noise" from the forum community without going around deleting threads. [16:19] and it's probably not a good idea to do it on 3.x anyway [16:20] I think if we go down the delete route, we should be relying on the community to report the threads that need attention. [16:25] sure [16:25] what other way would we do it? [16:25] Have the staff manually go through every thread in the section, which isn't going to be popular or especially practical [16:26] +1 for community cleanup [16:29] *what if* we copied the most active tutorials (140ish) to the wiki and then got the community to update them? mhall119 & jcastro [16:30] sounds awesome [16:50] +1 from me [16:50] might want to find a bbcode -> moin script though to automate it [16:50] or whatever format wiki+1 will use. [16:51] mediawiki [16:51] When is the wiki being updated? [16:52] Oh I use mediawiki at work [16:52] s-fox: we're evaluation mozilla's sumo app, no ETA on implementing it though [16:52] for now let's just focus on the wiki we have [16:53] ok testing forums is pretty much set, theme looks great [16:53] Are we still waiting for new hardware? What are you trying to source? [16:56] it's in the RT ticket [16:56] he just posted an update [16:56] What is the ticket number? [16:56] 16733 [16:57] mhall119: y u dislike jira ? [16:57] Thank you [16:57] ejat: it's been years since I used it, but I remember it being a pain [16:58] not user friendly ? [16:58] yeah, not intuitive, etc [16:58] also use it to monitor my dev team [16:59] all I remember was thinking that I was spending more time in jira than I should have [16:59] ouch .. [16:59] * ejat wondering if there is similar to TFS & MS Project on OSS [17:00] how about project-open ? [17:01] mhall119, will be two secs and then will send an invite [17:01] mhall119: so whats is your recommendation other than jira ? [17:02] alright my friends - I need to rush out to buy and organise a few things, so see you tomorrow [17:02] big hugs [17:02] see ya dholbach [17:03] bye ejat :) [17:04] 0_o [17:07] ejat: I don't have one, not constructive I know [17:08] I like Launchpad, but that's not as easy for other organizations to seteup [17:08] other places I've used in-house built PHP progs that worked well [17:08] owh .. [17:08] okie .. === JanC_ is now known as JanC [17:09] hopefully soon launchpad can have all the features need to run a project [17:10] and project monitoring .. or someone will do the API to charts with launchpad :) [17:35] jcastro: and others - I started a discussion with the staff on how to best manage outdated information on the forums. Clearly we need to promote wiki and community effort, but, we also need to communicate with staff and the community in general to get the porcess started [17:46] s-fox, I saw your animated gif logo.. nice :-) [17:48] balloons thanks, though it has some flaws for the slide. I redid the slide using jquery image gallary with fade effect. I have it all in the slide framework ready to go but no idea how to get it to the maintainers :/ [17:49] balloons, I have done a few now, did you see the one i posted on sunday ? [17:50] you posted to a thread I must have been subscribed to on the forums just a few mins ago [17:50] Splendid =) [17:51] It'd be great to get this in for the coming release, it is such a trivial change === dvestal is now known as dvestal|away === s9iper1_ is now known as s9iper1 [18:08] Goodbye, time to eat :D [18:15] bodhi_zazen, I remember efforts such as http://ubuntu-manual.org/ and http://ubuntuguide.org/. [18:17] As far as the forum, archiving discussions is a nice approach.. some areas of the forum work rather nicely with this. For example, the development release forum is archived each time there is a new release, and all discussions are point in time and specific to that release. Perhaps you could find a way to archive many more forum categories with each change in release [18:19] * balloons finally has all of unity 5.6 in his main precise archive.. upgrade here we come [18:19] * jcastro is just upgrading now [18:19] balloons: I'm hurt [18:19] cjohnston, I'm sorry!? [18:20] I pinged you :-( [18:20] and never heard back [18:20] :-P [18:20] balloons: http://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-q/+attend [18:20] please [18:20] * balloons ohh boy, losing pings [18:21] cjohnston, I clickity clicked your link.. I hope I didn't get myself into trouble [18:21] lol [18:21] I can't mark you as a lead unless you are attending [18:22] * balloons chuckles [18:29] balloons, sorry, going to need to reschedule our call for a few hours time [18:29] cjohnston, does that mean I get my name in lights? [18:29] no [18:29] :-P [18:29] means you have more work to do [18:30] jono, no worries.. I'm rocking out on doing YAWP (yet another wiki page) [18:30] brb call [18:30] :-) === dvestal|away is now known as dvestal [18:35] cprofitt, :-) time to ping you again for some wiki knowledge. In mediawiki, I could create little attention boxes to warn people for things, like deprecated pages etc. Two-fold question. Is there a similar thing in moinmoinwiki? How do I put a page on the wiki that is in progress -- ideally having a big WIP banner on the top or ? [18:36] balloons: go ahread... [18:36] hmm... yes [18:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Wiki/Tasks [18:37] at least if I understand your question [18:37] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag [18:38] ohh! yes, tags! [18:39] hmm.. the only issue is that if I tag my own page I'm working on, it's going to show up on a list for cleanup right? [18:39] I would probably use this: <> [18:47] I would like to archive inactive threads every 6 months (so no activity in last 6-12 months archive) [18:48] if you use the content cleanup -- yes [18:48] but I think you could just put a 'do not modify note right below it' [18:49] balloons: you at least get a shirt out of being a track lead [18:49] thanks cprofitt [18:50] balloons: np [18:50] mhall119, ohh.. nice [18:50] special shiny shirt!! [18:50] woot, [18:50] t-shirt's make every better [18:50] *everything better [18:50] balloons: a limited-edition shirt too [18:51] * balloons is jealous of future balloons's t-shirt [18:51] worn by *the* QA track lead at an actual UDS event [18:52] ebay will have precious few of those :-) [18:53] it'll be worth a fortune! [18:53] the track shirts are awesome [18:53] robbie gave me some of his [18:53] the bright orange pangolin one is so nice [18:53] pix? [18:53] I got shirts last UDS from Robbie -- the Skynet ones [18:53] cprofitt, ebay can have my t-shirt when it pries it off my dead body :-) lol [18:54] My son, daughter and I all had them -- we worse them all at once and quite a few questions. [18:54] balloons: lol [18:55] balloons: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37955218@N08/6327838110/ [18:56] mhall119: show him the other one... the one with Green [18:56] cprofitt: that's all I found on flickr [18:56] I don't know what green one you're referring to [18:56] mhall119, I saw the pic and I thought the mic was a stogey.. [18:57] I think it's more epic that way.. stogey, off lighting... leaned back.. gangsta posing [18:57] that'd be one big cigar [18:57] :-) [18:57] cool shirt tho [19:01] balloons: Robbie - http://tinyurl.com/6v3b9mx [19:02] NICE! [19:28] hey balloons [19:47] ohh hey jcastro i missed your message in the join/parts :-) [19:48] balloons: you should set it to ignore join/parts [19:49] * balloons likes the join/parts :-) [19:49] nm [19:49] I thought I found something cool with the launcher in twinview but I was wrong [19:49] but I suppose that makes sense if I keep missig convo's [19:49] ohh.. [19:49] gotcha, yea [19:49] well, i need to talk to the unity guys again about that.. it's on the list [20:00] balloons, all set to chat? [20:00] sure sure [20:00] I just get happy saying balloons [20:01] I envision happy bunnies running around and stuff [20:01] and candy [20:01] balloons, sent [20:02] pink bunnies.. jcastro, maybe some lime green too [20:05] jono.. ohh.. it may be ubuntu one crushing my upload bandwidth again [20:05] lemme look [20:06] balloons, aha! [20:06] balloons, invite sent [20:06] kk [20:06] ugh [20:07] yea.. something is amiss [20:07] fully sapped on upload speed [20:07] does u1 respect your upload speed settings [20:07] it ignores mine :-( [20:57] <-- EOD in 5 [20:58] last call for alcohol! [20:58] =o [20:58] balloons: I cannot get U1 to upload fast enough [20:58] :P [20:59] jcastro: so finish your whickey and beer [20:59] whiskey* [21:00] ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TubHXvBDt0w ) [21:01] (although the semisonic version was better) [21:02] or you could say no version was better [21:02] :) [21:03] jcastro: people are allowed to like music that doesnt work for you ;) [21:03] when this song came out I told all my friends "get used to this, we're going to hear this song at every bar for the next decade." [21:03] :( [21:04] ok EOD for real, cya all tomorrow [21:04] ;p [21:25] bkerensa, that's funny.. hehe [21:26] peace jcastro [23:27] mhall119: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat [23:27] wat