[01:28] <gbyers_> n #twitlive3
[06:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Web Design Help Needed - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/12/web-design-help-needed/
[06:41] <GirlyGirl> Hi, how is the performance of Unity on beta 1 before I install ubuntu-desktop to give it a try? On 11.10 the UI was to laggy to use. Kde works fine with all desktop effects on my system however both on 11.10 and 12.04. (EeePC 1005ha)
[06:58] <MartijnVdS> GirlyGirl: Depends on your hardware a bit, but I have no problems on Intel video
[07:00] <GirlyGirl> MartijnVdS: Which Intel GPU do you have?
[07:01] <MartijnVdS> uhh
[07:01] <MartijnVdS> pre-SandyBridge i3 and i5
[07:02] <MartijnVdS> so IronLake I think?
[07:03] <MartijnVdS> [    94.821] (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) Clarkdale
[07:08] <GirlyGirl> Mine is a lot less powerful ... Gma 950 Intel Atom, however I expect it to work as it works extremely well on KDE doing effects that unity isn't even capable of ... also theoretically it has the features to run unity. But for some reason all gtk3 stuff lags like the UI of software center (even when run under kDE). Unity itself is fast
[07:09]  * Azelphur hugs his GTX 570 and OC'd i7 950
[07:10] <MartijnVdS> GirlyGirl: 950 isn't too bad, I'd go for it :)
[07:10] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I still can't stand nvidia :)
[07:11] <Azelphur> Also, I've got an interesting challenge
[07:11] <Azelphur> there's this guy who does awesome music, and he was doing a live stream on ustream earlier, I managed to get into the autorecord on ustream before he set it to private...so I can play it as long as I don't close the tab
[07:11] <Azelphur> any way I can rip it?
[07:11] <GirlyGirl> MartijnVdS: Not that I really care as KDE is my main DE, I just want to give Ubuntu 12.04 a test run
[07:12] <MartijnVdS> GirlyGirl: you can always boot it from an USB stick
[07:12] <Azelphur> I might just point gtk-recordmydesktop at it XD
[07:13] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: rtmpsuck might help
[07:13]  * Azelphur googles it
[07:14] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it's a proxy for Flash's streaming protocol that saves the output to disk
[07:14] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it's in the rtmpdump package
[07:14] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yea, the interesting thing is I can only do it if i can do it without refreshing the page
[07:14] <Azelphur> if I refresh the page, I'm locked out.
[07:14] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: hmmm
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> you could run wireshark and save ALL network traffic to disk
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> then sort it out afterwards
[07:15] <GirlyGirl> Azelphur: Use gtk-recordmydesktop and later rip from that
[07:15] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: haha, that'd be a bit difficult no doubt
[07:16] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I have no idea if there's crypto involved, but if there isn't it should be as easy as stripping the IP headers and concatenating
[07:16] <MartijnVdS> maybe removing dups
[07:16] <MartijnVdS> depends on how bad you want it ;)
[07:16] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[07:17] <Azelphur> I wants it, and I shall work until I get it :P
[07:17] <GirlyGirl> Azelphur: Send a cable from headphone, to mic or line in and use a recording app
[07:17] <Azelphur> yea, gtk-recordmydesktop can be my fallback
[07:21] <Azelphur> nah, rtmpsuck doesn't seem to see it
[07:21] <Azelphur> and it's not a flash flv stored in the cache like youtube either
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: for rtmpsuck to work it needs to see the start of the request, and you have to use iptables to route all traffic through it
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: see /usr/share/doc/rtmpdump
[07:22] <Azelphur> yea I did
[07:22] <Azelphur> I found a post on askubuntu.com that says it doesn't wok
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> At all? Because I got it to work a few weeks ago
[07:22] <Azelphur> with ustream?
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> no
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> with npr :)
[07:23] <Azelphur> apparently it's a ustream specific issue
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> on purpose, no doubt
[07:23] <Azelphur> Is there anything better than gtk-recordmydesktop? It's almost impossible to select a region with it
[07:23] <Azelphur> for some reason it feels the need to project your screen in a tiny postage stamp sized box, which doesn't allow you to accurately draw a box around something at all :(
[07:24] <GirlyGirl> Azelphur: you need audio only?
[07:24] <Azelphur> video would be cool too, but yea I only really care about the audio
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> then you can use pulseaudio magics
[07:25] <GirlyGirl> A line in cable would make things easier
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> http://www.funwithelectronics.com/?id=95
[07:25] <Azelphur> fun :P
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> GirlyGirl: not necessary, just pacat :)
[07:26] <Azelphur> still interested in something that lets you select regions better than gtk-recordmydesktop, it's irritating :P
[07:28] <GirlyGirl> Azelphur: there is a similar kde utility that works fine forgot the name though
[07:39] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I found out that the command line recordmydesktop has accurate width and height params, so now I just need to make it capture audio
[07:41] <GirlyGirl> I can imagine the look on your face if the browser crashes or something
[07:41] <Azelphur> I would rage.
[07:41] <Azelphur> D:
[07:42] <Azelphur> missed live performance...must see it
[07:42] <Azelphur> well, seen it already now I just want to keep it
[07:42] <Azelphur> haha
[07:48] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: and that pulseaudio page doesn't seem to be working for me :'(
[07:50] <Azelphur> aha, mission success I managed to make gtk-recordmydesktop capture
[07:53] <popey> Azelphur: kazam
[07:53] <Azelphur> wassat?
[07:53] <popey> "better than recordmydesktop"
[07:53] <Azelphur> ah cool
[07:53] <Azelphur> will have a nose at it :)
[07:53] <popey> it can record the audio from the sound card which is handy
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> audio in or audio out?
[07:54] <popey> out
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> ooh
[07:54] <Azelphur> just made gtk-recordmydesktop do that with some pulse magic
[07:54] <popey> yeah, no magic required with kazam
[07:54] <popey> just start it and press record ☺
[07:55] <Azelphur> nice
[07:55] <popey> also, recordmydesktop is dead basically, no active development at all
[08:22] <imexil> morning
[08:23] <imexil> This time I'm struggling to find the option to disable the login drum in 12.04. Any hint where to look?
[08:31] <AlanBell> kazam does need a bit more resources I think, best to do screencasts on somewhat deced hardware
[08:35]  * AlanBell is on a boat
[08:42] <christel> i say! where are you sailing off to ?
[08:42] <christel> (and good morning lovelies)
[08:44] <dwatkins> good morning all!
[08:47] <AlanBell> down the thames to Canary wharf
[08:47] <AlanBell> it is a lovel day for it
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: ft. T-Pain? :)
[08:50] <christel> ooh nice
[08:58] <brobostigon> good morning everyone
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:00] <brobostigon> o/
[09:02] <diplo> Morning all
[09:03] <christel> morning :)
[09:03] <_serial_> morning
[09:03] <brobostigon> morning diplo , christel and _serial_
[09:03] <_serial_> good morning brobostigon :)
[09:04] <brobostigon> :)
[09:07] <mungojerry> i tried kazam yesterday, works great.
[09:08] <czajkowski> morning
[09:11] <czajkowski> gah this new playing stuff once it has downloaded is most annoying
[09:11] <popey> czajkowski: eh?
[09:13] <richardperkins> morning all
[09:14] <czajkowski> popey: downloading stuff and when it arrives it's automatically starting to play using movie player which isn't my default application VLC is
[09:14] <czajkowski> popey: 3 .avi files have just landed and all 3 open and start to play
[09:23] <popey> czajkowski: how did the avi files download? click links in browser?
[09:23] <czajkowski> popey: aye right click, save to place.
[09:28] <popey> i havent had it open automatically
[09:30] <czajkowski> odd only happening since friday
[09:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:42] <richardperkins> can anyone help me out with a network issue
[09:42] <richardperkins> whenever i am connected to my net gear either wireless or wired and someone else connects the router crashes out?
[09:47] <mungojerry> anyone else tell me how much electricity and gas they use in a year?
[09:47] <mungojerry> terraced house, 1 wife+kid
[09:48] <nothingspecial> only 1 wife?
[09:48] <mungojerry> estimated next year, 347 elec, £373 gas
[09:48] <mungojerry> nothingspecial, yeah, not enough space
[09:48] <nothingspecial> :p
[09:49] <gord> richardperkins, sounds like a broken router to me ;) maybe try and figure out if you can reset the router to factory defaults if its a new issue
[09:49] <directhex> mungojerry, hang on
[09:49] <directhex> let me find my paperwork
[09:49] <mungojerry> :D
[09:50] <gordonjcp> mungojerry: sounds okay
[09:50] <gordonjcp> 373 for gas is cheap
[09:51] <mungojerry> over winter i've had it on permanantely :S
[09:51] <directhex> looks like about 1100 a year combined
[09:51] <io> for a whole year?
[09:51] <gordonjcp> in my old house we were nearly 800 quid for gas
[09:51] <mungojerry> last 12 months: 2,246 kWh elec 7,972 kWh gas
[09:51] <io> mine's £450/quarter for both
[09:51] <io> :<
[09:51] <mungojerry> io what's yr setup?
[09:52] <mungojerry> is there a roof on the house?
[09:52] <io> 1
[09:52] <directhex> 7973 kWh of gas from november->may, 2340 kWh of electricity for the same period
[09:52] <Donald> :)
[09:52] <mungojerry> directhex, wow pretty close
[09:52] <mungojerry> my wife is at home all day
[09:52] <io> I have the heating on constantly though, 'tis cold at the moment :<
[09:52] <directhex> 2 bed coachhouse
[09:52] <mungojerry> i suspect would be cheap if nobody was indoors
[09:52] <directhex> gas heating & hob
[09:53] <mungojerry> gas hob, too
[09:53] <mungojerry> i plot graphs of the temp of my house
[09:53] <directhex> nerd
[09:53] <diplo> mungojerry, About same as mine £350 mark for each
[09:53] <mungojerry> good to hear
[09:53] <diplo> me and 2 young sons
[09:53] <diplo> No wife, so a large saving there
[09:53] <diplo> :)
[09:54] <gordonjcp> purely theoretically, is there anyone in the London-ish corner of the country who could pick up three synthesizers for me and hold onto them for a week or two?
[09:57] <JamesTait> mungojerry: 2-bed semi, wife + 2 kids. Estimated ~10,000kWh gas, ~4,500kWh electricity, based on current usage from June - present.
[09:58] <mungojerry> JamesTait, wow,..
[09:58] <mungojerry> that's a fair chunk of your income
[09:59] <gord> i use a lot of electricity here, but its mostly just nerd tax
[09:59] <mungojerry> i feel that after food, fuel (gas/elec/petrol), mortgage and council tax, there's nothing left
[10:00] <mungojerry> i have a nerd budget entitlement each month that i haven't touched in ages
[10:00] <JamesTait> mungojerry: Comes to about £1,000 p/a, which is a lot less than the mortgage and food. :)
[10:01] <JamesTait> Come to think of it, it's probably less than I spend on the car I hardly use as well.
[10:02] <mungojerry> my dad used to spend his whole time turning the heating down, but it was cheap in those days
[10:08] <diplo> My mortage a month is more than my gas/elec is per year :(
[10:08] <DJones> Oh bugger, my wife has just been given a works laptop.....
[10:09] <christel> mungojerry: i'd have to log in to check the kwh figures, but we spend around 700/quarter on gas+electricity
[10:09] <mungojerry> christel, which country? UK?
[10:09] <christel> (that said, i work from home so we probably have heating on much more than we would if i left the house for 8-10 hours a day)
[10:09] <mungojerry> i think my mortgage is only around 160pm
[10:10] <diplo> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
[10:10] <christel> semi-detached property, 2 adults + 1 child
[10:10] <diplo> :(
[10:10] <diplo> My mortage is just shy of £900
[10:10] <mungojerry> christel, save money on rail travel ,
[10:10] <christel> mungojerry: yeah UK (england)
[10:10] <mungojerry> apparently on the continent, gas prices are enormous
[10:10] <mungojerry> e.g. denmark
[10:11] <daubers> Morning
[10:12] <popey> mungojerry: do you live in a cardboard box?
[10:12] <popey> (morning)
[10:13] <mungojerry> popey, why's that?
[10:13] <popey> 10:09:54 < mungojerry> i think my mortgage is only around 160pm
[10:13] <popey> mine is ~1200
[10:13] <daubers> popey: Old people who bought houses when they where sensibly priced
[10:13] <mungojerry> my first house was 65k
[10:13] <nothingspecial> :D
[10:13] <daubers> ^ point proven
[10:13] <mungojerry> second house was 325, but th efirst house had gone to 165 in the meantime
[10:14]  * daubers is just getting his first house at nearly £190k
[10:14]  * popey wonders how old mungojerry is
[10:14] <mungojerry> i had a high deposit on first house, so was able to aggressively save while i was single, to put large deposit on 2nd house
[10:14]  * popey is still living in his first house
[10:14] <mungojerry> =popey-1
[10:14] <popey> ahhh
[10:15] <popey> is that a standard unit of measurement now?
[10:15] <diplo> 4th house here
[10:15] <mungojerry> will try not to move house for another 15years
[10:15] <diplo> And I think I'm popey -3 or 4
[10:15] <diplo> :P
[10:15] <popey> we've been here 10, would like to stay another 10 ☺
[10:15] <popey> or 15
[10:15] <mungojerry> it involves throwing many thousands at people you dislike
[10:15] <popey> be nice to pay off the house completely
[10:16] <mungojerry> i look popey -10 though
[10:16] <mungojerry> nothing to do with popey
[10:16] <mungojerry> just the effect of drinking oil of ulay
[10:17] <daubers> average age of ubuntu-uk = popey ±10 ?
[10:17] <mungojerry> i have a public sector wage now and cannot afford to do anything ever again
[10:17] <diplo> I will stay in mine another year or two, until I find someone to settle down with, don't want to move twice!!
[10:18] <mungojerry> i'm told that women like a man with a house and car
[10:18]  * TheOpenSourcerer has a very low mortgage now ~£100 p/m
[10:18] <directhex> ._.
[10:18] <diplo> Please!! stop it!
[10:18] <diplo> :(
[10:18] <directhex> i'm paying £1050 a month on my mortgage
[10:19]  * MartijnVdS pays ~€600/month
[10:19] <diplo> Mine would have been if the ex hadn't wanted to move
[10:19] <diplo> directhex, married ? / joint mortage ?
[10:19] <directhex> diplo, married
[10:19]  * daubers will be paying ~£800 p/m
[10:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> We paid off most of our mortgage in 2001. Thanks to redundancies & stock options :-)
[10:20] <diplo> I really need to either think about getting a lodger or seriously trying to find a new woman
[10:20] <diplo> nice TheOpenSourcerer , I tried that with my last job but no go :/
[10:20] <daubers> diplo: lodgers are less expensive to keep
[10:20] <nothingspecial> +1 for paying off mortgage
[10:20] <diplo> Yeah but I also have 2 boys with me half a week each week
[10:20] <mungojerry> i opened a PEP (remember those?) in 1998..with £2800. guess how much it's worth now? 2900.
[10:21] <diplo> heh
[10:21] <mungojerry> should have bought apple shares
[10:21] <mungojerry> or del monte at least
[10:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: It was quite funny actually. My wife and I were both made redundant on the same day from different companies. And we were both really happy about it.
[10:22] <christel> i am not sure how old i am in popey.
[10:22] <christel> (i cant remember how old popey is!)
[10:23] <mungojerry> popey is elvis-43?
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> ∞
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> great alt+f2 is broken
[10:23] <mungojerry> elvis-37
[10:23] <mungojerry> something like that.
[10:23] <diplo> I asked for redundancy TheOpenSourcerer but they wouldn't give it to me, so had to hand my notice in which I was happy about
[10:24] <diplo> Just not happy with this job now :(
[10:25] <s-fox> o/
[10:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> I worked for a US start-up which got bought by Ericsson. Had to stay 2 years to get the money. Wifey worked for a startup that got bought by Freeserve.
[10:25] <mungojerry> freeserve lol
[10:25] <mungojerry> those were the days
[10:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah.
[10:26] <mungojerry> reminds me of the facebook IPO
[10:26] <mungojerry> ever user of freeserve was worth £2000
[10:26] <mungojerry> yeah right
[10:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> They signed the deal about three weeks before the dotcom bubble popped <phew>
[10:27] <mungojerry> are men allowed to the flossie conference? looks good http://www.flossie.org/?page_id=125
[10:29] <popey> oimon: dont think so
[10:29] <popey> christel: 40 in 23 days
[10:30]  * oimon revises his popey age.
[10:30] <christel> wow
[10:30] <christel> really?
[10:30]  * TheOpenSourcerer was 47 last week.
[10:31] <oimon> popey, thought not. shame as it's in my building
[10:32] <oimon> lol @ https://twitter.com/#!/NickMotown/status/179135101119115265/photo/1
[10:37] <bigcalm> RAT tickets arrived \o/
[10:39] <christel> woop!
[10:39] <AlanBell> danfish_: got the ducks yes?
[10:41]  * daubers ponders acquiring some music
[10:42]  * DJones donates Agadoo to daubers
[10:42] <sagaci> bigcalm: would've been better if they were RATM tickets ;)
[10:42] <daubers> DJones: I already have agadoo
[10:42] <bigcalm> RATM?
[10:43] <sagaci> rage
[10:43] <sagaci> ... rage against the machine
[10:43] <daubers> who're they then
[10:43] <daubers> ?
[10:44] <BigRedS> they got the christmas number 1 the other year and don't seem to have done anything since
[10:44] <sagaci> yeah
[10:44] <sagaci> toured but no new material
[10:44] <sagaci> an hour and 15 minute concert felt like 3 hours
[10:45] <andylockran> howdy
[10:45] <sagaci> hi andylockran
[10:47]  * daubers waits for U1 to get new music
[10:54] <andylockran> howdy
[10:54] <andylockran> sagaci: what's new?
[10:55] <gord> hrm, what would be a better use of my time this morning, working on work, or making a youtube playlist of really good zx spectrum music
[10:56] <bigcalm> The latter
[10:56] <bigcalm> _always_ the latter
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> haha. work.
[10:57] <oimon> gord, will the playlist help you work faster?
[10:57] <oimon> s/faster/smarter/
[10:58] <gord> given that i'd have to rock out like grandpa dizzy in kwik snax, i'd say no
[11:01] <davmor2> morning all
[11:01] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[11:02] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello
[11:03] <davmor2> popey: you made the awesome, awesomer, /me sits back and watches czajkowski head explode
[11:05] <czajkowski> meh
[11:05] <czajkowski> too busy
[11:05] <czajkowski> :)
[11:07] <popey> davmor2: hmm?
[11:07] <hoover> morning all
[11:08] <davmor2> popey: in the Topic it's not asterisks any more for pompoms
[11:09] <popey> ahh
[11:14] <davmor2> popey: so the awesome got awesomer and again /me waits for czajkowski head to explode
[11:15]  * jussi waves to davmor2
[11:16] <davmor2> jussi: Hey dude
[11:16] <jussi> davmor2: My daughter is feeling better now, its amazing the difference when they have been sick and then they are happy
[11:17] <davmor2> jussi: Woohoo!  glad to hear it dude, nothing worse than a poorly kid and you can't do anything :(
[11:18] <jussi> davmor2: yeah, it wasnt serious, just an upset tummy, but still, not nice for her
[11:18] <jussi> when well, she is such a happy kid
[11:19] <jussi> davmor2: you did hear the name, tight?
[11:19] <jussi> right*
[11:19] <davmor2> jussi: Nope  you hadn't chosen one when last we spoke
[11:19] <jussi> oh! Her name is Elodi Aurora :)
[11:22] <davmor2> jussi: you should of gone the whole hog and added Borealis as a second middle name ;)   nice name though on a more serious note :)
[11:22] <jussi> :D
[11:23] <jussi> davmor2: but then I would have had to choose Australis or Borealis... was too hard so we left it out :P
[11:23] <jussi> (given Im australian and Sari si a finn...)
[11:23] <davmor2> haha
[11:28] <popey> \o/ spotify is fixed
[11:28] <popey> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/spotify-for-linux-preview-gets-small-bug-fix-update/ works for m
[11:28] <popey> *me
[11:29] <bigcalm> Might have to give it a go
[11:30] <popey> damnit, works on one pc, not on another
[11:31] <bigcalm> I can't remember the package name for me to remove
[11:31] <popey> remove?
[11:32] <bigcalm> Remove my current install (from the spotify site)
[11:32] <Niels_> remove what
[11:32] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[11:32] <bigcalm> Show off :P
[11:32] <popey> hah
[11:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: no it just means he has way too much time on his hands
[11:33] <bigcalm> spotify-client-qt
[11:35] <daubers> Hmm... my 3g modem has stopped working in precise
[11:36] <bigcalm> Nope, still crashes upon loading
[11:36] <bigcalm> Meh
[11:37] <oimon> startup disk creator requires password entry 4 times when writing a usb. worse than vista :(
[11:37] <popey> file a bug?
[11:37] <bigcalm> But works if I launch it from the CLI
[11:37] <bigcalm> Humms
[11:37] <czajkowski> anyone else having issues when they open up any folder and try and get the scroll bars to work, cant seem to touch mine but they go and hide  on me
[11:38] <popey> overlay scrollbars?
[11:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: check the /usr/share/applications/<name_of_app>.desktop  file and ensure the details are correct
[11:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: how would I know if they were not? :)
[11:40] <Laney> run the command it has there and see if it then crashes
[11:41] <bigcalm> The command is 'spotify %U'
[11:41] <czajkowski> popey: yup
[11:41] <bigcalm> I'm not sure what it expects to be passed into %U
[11:42] <davmor2> bigcalm: if the path is pointing some where other than where the app is etc,  it might be that the original version left it's desktop file in place so it is pointing at the old version not the new for example
[11:42] <Laney> it just means it can open URLs / files
[11:42] <daubers> Where on earth is all the usb-modeswitch data kept these days?
[11:42] <Laney> it is supposed to be removed if launched from a menu
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> daubers: /lib/udev?
[11:42] <Laney> i.e. 'spotify'
[11:42] <oimon> RS Components said it will have the first batch of Raspberry Pi microcomputers in its warehouses by the end of March.
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> oimon: I have "Stock allocated" by Farnell for the end of April
[11:44] <popey> i got a mail from RS saying thanks for joining the mailing list, no idea how to order or pre-order
[11:53] <gord> spotify still crash
[11:53] <gord> its all lies!
[11:56] <Laney> right-click and menus working again is LIES
[12:01] <daubers> Hmmm.... if I put it in a USB2.0 port it works, in a USB3 port it doesn't
[12:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Lord] How to: OpenERP 6.1, Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, nginx SSL Reverse Proxy - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2012/03/12/how-to-openerp-6-1-ubuntu-10-04-lts-nginx-ssl-reverse-proxy/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=how-to-openerp-6-1-ubuntu-10-04-lts-nginx-ssl-reverse-proxy
[12:29]  * gord spies a not pretty url
[12:30] <gordonjcp> would openerp be a good fit for a stock control system?
[12:30] <gordonjcp> it looks like it does a hell of a lot more than I need
[12:30] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: it would, you can turn off stuff you don't use
[12:32]  * popey hands AlanBell http://ocaoimh.ie/2010/02/22/remove-unused-utmsource-urls/
[12:37] <AlanBell> not a very clueful article
[12:37] <AlanBell> it is google analytics stuff, I dunno how much value it adds though. TheOpenSourcerer probably has an opinion.
[12:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> That URL is from the planet not me.
[12:39] <AlanBell> it is from the RSS feed
[12:39] <AlanBell> planet isn't adding it, the wordpress google analytics plugin is (probably)
[12:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh OK - It doesn't happen that often so I'm totally unfussed.
[12:41] <gord> i propose all planet urls are first passed through http://socuteurl.com
[12:42] <AlanBell> I like that!
[12:47] <diplo> http://socuteurl.com/pugmuffypuppy
[12:47] <diplo> :D
[12:47] <diplo> I could see some odd combinations coming out of that!
[12:48] <BigRedS> I just got http://socuteurl.com/weewillyrub ...
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> ...
[12:50] <popey> haha
[12:51] <diplo> heh that's the sort of thing I was thinking, but was thinking more of the lady garden
[12:51] <diplo> :P
[12:51] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[13:00] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: sounds good
[13:09] <oimon> is there a quicker tool than wipe? i'd like to use DBAN to wipe a disk before a RTM but only have ubuntu livecd with me. any suggestions?
[13:09] <diplo> All depends how well you want it wiped
[13:10] <diplo> Is it really sensitive data ?
[13:10] <diplo> tbh, I'd be happy with formatting it a few times
[13:10] <gordonjcp> formatting won't help
[13:10] <gordonjcp> since you're not actually writing to all sectors
[13:11] <gordonjcp> for all practical purposes a single pass of /dev/zero will destroy all data on the disk beyond hope of recovery
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: Not 600 times /dev/random1?!?!11/!?
[13:13] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: not in this lifetime
[13:13] <popey> dd zero over the disk is enougfh
[13:13] <popey> nobody has ever recovered a disk that has had dd if=/dev/zero /dev/sda
[13:13] <popey> AFAIAA
[13:13] <gordonjcp> well, no
[13:13] <gordonjcp> and saying you can look at residual magnetism doesn't work either
[13:14] <popey> ☺
[13:14] <gordonjcp> not since about the earliest >1GB disks
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> That's what NSA spooks _would_ say :)
[13:14] <oimon> dd /dev/zero doesn't have a progress bar :(
[13:14] <oimon> i think there's a kill command to see progress tho
[13:15] <oimon> i'm doing that instead tho, thanks for sugestion
[13:15] <AlanBell> kill -USR1
[13:15] <oimon> wipe uses /dev/random , and even quick wipe is 4x
[13:16] <oimon> gonna take a while on a 500gb laptop disk :-\
[13:16] <gordonjcp> make sure you're on the right disk
[13:17] <oimon> :D
[13:17] <gordonjcp> -!- oimon has quit (connection just plain gone...)
[13:18] <oimon> anyone use mathematica?
[13:18] <oimon> trying to do some data analysis, dunno where to start
[13:26] <andylockran> aww
[13:32] <gord> oimon, can you not make it use /dev/urandom - it has less entropy but is way quicker
[13:32] <oimon> zero is quicker gord :D
[13:32] <oimon> but still slow
[13:32] <oimon> :(
[13:33] <gord> yeah but zero is more suspicious!
[13:34] <gord> there should be an easy way you can wipe a drive, replacing it with a fake windows 98 (not se) install that is full of viruses
[13:38] <daubers> oimon: mathematica \o/
[13:38] <oimon> daubers, wondering whether i should use it or libreoffice calc
[13:39] <daubers> oimon: What're you trying to achieve?
[13:39] <oimon> i have a sqllite db of interesting data i'd like to draw graphs with
[13:39] <daubers> (mathematica = powerful++ compared to libreoffice)
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> Really? ;)
[13:39] <daubers> oimon: Is it lots of data or simple graphs? any manipulation involved?
[13:39] <oimon> mathematica imports it as a list of lists (i think ) { {1,fred,3}, {3,bob,2},... }
[13:40] <oimon> it is a list of hundreds of machines and all data about the machine (disk IOPS, etc).
[13:41] <daubers> oimon: I'd do it in mathematica (tbh) with hundreds of data points if you're doing maniupations on them
[13:41] <daubers> mathematica can make nicer graphs (IMHO) too
[13:41] <oimon> unfortunately i'll need to learn mathemtaica first :(
[13:41] <daubers> been a long time since I used it
[13:42] <daubers> oimon: Worth learning if you do lots of math
[13:42] <oimon> will probably make me look cool, but unsure if i have time
[13:42] <daubers> heh :)
[13:43] <daubers> oimon: Do it in LO, then if you have time, play with mathematica
[13:43] <oimon> probably that's what's gonna happen
[13:43] <daubers> once you've got a worksheet in mathematica, rerunning it with new data is quite easy
[13:43] <daubers> used to do that lots with experimental results
[13:43] <oimon> did you see what stephen wolfram blogged about recently?
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> oimon: his phone calls and keystrokes you mean?>
[13:44] <oimon> yeah
[13:44] <daubers> I did :) Made me want to start collecting everything
[13:44] <oimon> i want the source :P
[13:44] <oimon> its pointless though
[14:36] <ali1234> oimon:  use python
[14:36] <oimon> ali1234, numpy/scipy ?
[14:36] <ali1234> http://www.scipy.org/PyLab
[14:39] <directhex> R!
[14:42] <popey> directhex: I HAZ XBOX360!
[14:42] <popey> (ta)
[14:42] <directhex> popey, hook it up & make sure it works as expected, otherwise it's time to moan at hermes
[14:43] <directhex> popey, the video cable has a switch on the side to decide if it tries HD (720p by default) or not. i think i set it to SD before shipping
[14:44] <oimon> have some semi useful results in mathematica now, has similar features to python actually
[14:45] <popey> directhex: it does work
[14:45]  * daubers loves the mathematica
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> daubers: mathemagician
[14:53] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lBeungEnx4
[14:55] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: there are python/matlab wars?
[14:55] <ali1234> yes
[14:55] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Strange people
[15:03] <oimon> humans war over anything possible
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> oimon: VI!
[15:04] <oimon> vim!
[15:04] <oimon> vim-enhanced!
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> gvim!
[15:04] <oimon> vim-tiny!
[15:05] <oimon> peoples front of judea
[15:07] <bigcalm> Is Echo123 working for anybody here? Not able to test my connection is a worry
[15:07] <directhex> popey, time to stock up on games, then!
[15:08] <bigcalm> Before Game nose dives?
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: your connection is worky!
[15:09] <directhex> i'd say there are bargains to be had at game, but there probably aren't
[15:09] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: not much of a surprise that. Though the test call just worked for me
[15:09] <oimon> ali1234, i'm tempted to use python but mathematica just makes it so easy
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> gnuplot!
[15:10] <oimon> although all i'm doing at the mo is open sqlite db, perform a sql query, then plot a sorted list of the Xth field of the resulting list
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> gnuplot! ;)
[15:21] <ali1234> what's the deal with EA and Game?
[15:22] <popey> directhex: yes!
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: They lost the game?
[15:22] <popey> directhex: will probably take a trip to the local indie game shop and rummage in the bargain bucket
[15:23] <ali1234> game should go back to being gamestation and only selling second hand and grey market imports
[15:23] <gord> ali1234, poor xmas performance at game basically meant they couldn't afford to buy video games anymore. so they went to the big publishers and asked them to loan them games to be paid off at a later date, ea refused
[15:23] <ali1234> and ubisoft too presumably?
[15:24] <gord> i read they are looking for a buyer for game now, not sure who would be interested
[15:25] <directhex> ali1234, nintendo and capcom too
[15:25] <directhex> popey, remember: viva pinata!
[15:25] <ali1234> actually, were game and gamestation ever the same company?
[15:26] <directhex> ali1234, after game bought them yes
[15:26] <ali1234> i see
[15:27] <gord> i could maybe see someone buying the gamestation part of the business, seems to do better
[15:32] <oimon> occasionally i browse those shops but haven't bought anything for many yeasr
[15:33] <popey> *sigh* https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg08688.html
[15:33] <ali1234> god bloke again?
[15:33] <popey> ya
[15:34] <popey> "god bloke" ☺
[15:34] <popey> he's only about 12 iirc
[15:34] <popey> well, says he is
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> God kid then
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> Whoa.
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> Wheels for suitcases were invented AFTER the moon landing
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> http://articles.cnn.com/2010-10-04/travel/wheeled.luggage.anniversary_1_bob-plath-suitcase-wheels?_s=PM:TRAVEL
[15:37] <ali1234> then how did astronauts get their luggage over those craters etc?
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: they lugged it around.. LUGgage
[15:38] <popey> it was all done with wires in a warehouse
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[15:38] <popey> :D
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[15:38] <gord> y'know those people with the tiny bags? about the size of a large handbag or so? but they have wheels on them and cart them around the airport? those people should be banned from england
[15:39] <MartijnVdS> Easyjet accepts those as cabin baggage
[15:39] <MartijnVdS> so that's why people have them
[15:40] <gord> they also accept non wheeled small bags
[15:40] <MartijnVdS> of course, but tell that to the public
[15:40] <gord> i thought it was common sense
[15:41] <ali1234> yeah but when you have to spend 3 1/2 hours waiting on the other side of the check in gate
[15:41] <ali1234> you can see why you wouldn't want to carry it around, even if it is fairly light
[15:41]  * MartijnVdS has a very good backpack
[15:44] <daubers> Hmmm.... British train prices are silly
[15:44] <ali1234> not if you book advance
[15:44] <daubers> I can go from paris to venice (return ticket) for £73.50
[15:45] <daubers> yet a peak ticket to London from Reading is £57 odd
[15:45] <daubers> sorry,  Reading to London
[15:45] <popey> bah, why did we switch back to rhythmbox
[15:46] <popey> its utter poo
[15:46] <ali1234> yeah it is isn't it?
[15:46] <ali1234> i'm still using banshee
[15:46] <popey> crashtastic
[15:46] <popey> play one song, click anywhere in the UI.. BANG
[15:47] <popey> looks like apport is uploading an 8GB core dump or something now
[15:47] <ali1234> lolz
[15:47] <ali1234> what's with the new apport that just reports it and doesn't ask you for any details or give you a link to the bug?
[15:47] <popey> thats whoopsie
[15:47] <popey> (yes, I know)
[15:48] <ali1234> whoopsie?
[15:48] <popey> yes
[15:48] <ali1234> what's that?
[15:48] <popey> the new crashreporter
[15:48] <ali1234> so, is it supposed to do that?
[15:48] <popey> which allows you to submit crashdumps without a launchpad id
[15:49] <popey> but you still can do the usual apport thing
[15:49] <popey> it seems to be better at detecting duplicates now
[15:49] <popey> or I am just getting a lot of dupes
[15:49] <gord> hrm, rhythmbox works perfectly for me
[15:49] <gord> not crashed in a long long time
[15:49] <ali1234> mostly when i get a real crash i don't have anything useful to add to the bug report anyway
[15:49] <ali1234> "it just randomly crashed" isn't helpful i guess
[15:50] <popey> lolsummary "rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV"
[15:52] <bigcalm> Trying to sort out car insurance, what would this mean? "Did the insurer of your vehicle recover the cost of the claim?"
[15:52] <bigcalm> I made a claim for flood damage and they paid me
[15:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: Pass I've never made a claim
[15:57] <AlanBell> bigcalm: that means did the insurer sue the other person's insurance and get their money back
[15:58] <AlanBell> for flood damage they would have to sue $deity and those do not have a history of paying out
[16:06] <davmor2> AlanBell: for Act of God disasters I think we should be allowed to sue the Pope as Gods representative on earth :)
[16:07] <AlanBell> or people who evangelise on mailing lists :)
[16:08] <oimon> hmm mathematica has crashed 3 times on me today. don't get this problem on centos/SL
[16:12] <bigcalm> Ta peeps :)
[16:13] <bigcalm> Renewal cost with Direct Line > 750 quid. Quote from Hastings Direct 464 quid
[16:13]  * bigcalm does a couple more searches to be sure
[16:16] <popey> phone direct line back, they'll price match
[16:16] <bigcalm> I'm sure they will, but I still want to have more than one example quote
[16:17] <bigcalm> And I need to find some cheaper break down cover. Current renewal cost for that is well over 100 quid
[16:17] <MartijnVdS> don't break down ;)
[16:18] <bigcalm> I haven't yet
[16:18] <bigcalm> Well, I had a break down in 2003, but I wasn't a driver back then
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> Aren't breakdowns covered by the NHS? ;)
[16:29] <daubers> I had a breakdown last year, but fixed it myself :)
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> daubers: home-made prozac?
[16:32] <bigcalm> More Than 582.77, LV 692.71. Hastings Direct looks the best so far
[16:33] <bigcalm> Who else shall I check against?
[16:36] <gord> you should compare the mearcat
[16:36] <gord> that is a thing right?
[16:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: There is epic popey's site, moneysupermarket.com , comparethemarket.com , gocompare.com , directline.com , lv.com , churchhill.com , admiral.com
[16:36] <gord> do the one with the oh yes dog
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> Do the one with the least annoying ad
[16:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: it's also worth checking the supermarket site asda, tesco not sure if sainsbury's and the others do insurance too
[16:38] <bigcalm> I'm doing Sainsbury's now
[16:39] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Nah, was a mucked up spark plug
[16:40] <bigcalm> Wow, Sainsbury's are expensive
[16:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's why I said asda and tesco :P
[16:41]  * daubers hasn't heard back from the solicitor
[16:41]  * daubers ponders ringing the estate agent...
[16:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: to be fair most of the supermarkets are but occasionally they have a really good deal if you catch them in sales mode
[16:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm pretty sure Tesco get their insurance products from Direct Line
[16:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have been very happy with price and service from DL for plenty of years.
[16:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: I went back to DL last year at renewal time and said they were expensive. They said what do you think you should pay, I told them and they pretty much matched it.
[16:55] <bigcalm> Nice
[17:11] <DJones> bigcalm: Try Liverpool Victoria, they halved my quotation, and have just knocked 25% off my wifes quote
[17:11] <popey> bah, cat is sick ☹
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> popey: eww
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> Vet o'clock!
[17:13] <gord> giant, bright LED's on my router burnt out or something :D
[17:14] <gord> fast forward to a months time when gord is complaining that his router has broken
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> gord: the smell of magic smoke?
[17:14] <gord> MartijnVdS, had it hidden away for a while, not actually physically looked at it for 5/6 months or so
[17:14] <gord> for said giant, bright LED related reasons
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> gord: "SED" -> Smoke-Emitting Diode
[17:16] <andylockran> :D
[17:16] <davmor2> gord: is it your router or the isp's if it is the isp's report it
[17:16] <gord> the important LEDs are still working ;) just the giant pointless one that stopped
[17:16] <gord> davmor2, no, a, its my router, b, this is a *good* thing ;)
[17:17] <davmor2> gord: or so you think :D
[17:17] <davmor2> gord: it's that led that allows you're ps3 to connect with out it no online gaming for you ;)
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> that LED is only on when they're watching you
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> like webcam leds
[19:16] <AlanBell> evening all
[19:16] <mattt> hey alan
[19:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Expressing a Pinterest - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/03/12/expressing-a-pinterest/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=expressing-a-pinterest
[19:50]  * daubers requires coffee
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> echo coffee | daubers
[20:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Accomplishments Design: Update! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/12/ubuntu-accomplishments-design-update/
[21:51] <Azelphur> how can I kill a screen, and the process inside it?
[21:51] <Azelphur> like, aggressively kill, -9 style :p
[21:52] <czajkowski> screen wipe?
[21:53] <Azelphur> don't think that's it
[21:56] <daubers> Azelphur: just kill the screen?
[21:57] <Azelphur> think I found it, screen -S some_name -X quit
[22:06] <AlanBell> 654MB of upgrades today /o\
[22:08] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Ctrl+a, Ctrl+K? kill -9 the processes? screen -X "kill" id-of-screen ?
[22:08] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yea, I found it :)
[22:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alistair McKinlay] The problem with Game - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2012/03/the-problem-with-game/
[22:36] <gordonjcp> ugh, what a horrible website
[22:37] <gordonjcp> I kept clicking on things on 10people trying to get the lightbox-effect greyed-out thing to go away
[22:37] <gordonjcp> but apparently it's part of the site design
[22:37] <gordonjcp> a website designed to look as though your monitor is knackered
[22:37] <gordonjcp> I have perfect vision, and that is too low contrast for me to read comfortably
[22:41] <YaManicKill> gordonjcp: which bit exactly is too low contrast?
[22:41] <gordonjcp> the text
[22:42] <gordonjcp> actually the menu down the side is pretty hard to read too
[22:42] <YaManicKill> the only thing i have problems with is the tag cloud, but i'd had big issues with that and getting it to use my css colours, i kinda gave up on it...
[22:43] <gordonjcp> where's the tag cloud/
[22:43] <YaManicKill> but as for the normal text, i don't have any issues with it, but i'll see what i can do to fix it
[22:43] <YaManicKill> gordonjcp: top of the sidebar
[22:43] <YaManicKill> it is flash though, so if you don't have that its a bit weird
[22:43] <gordonjcp> I can see where it says "My Tags"
[22:44] <YaManicKill> yeah, underneath that there is actually a tag cloud, but the colours seem to have a mind of their own
[22:44] <gordonjcp> oh, I can see it change when I mouse over it, the larger text is just about readable
[22:44] <gordonjcp> but it looks like black on 10% grey
[22:44] <YaManicKill> yeah it is pathetic that bit
[22:44] <gordonjcp> hm, that's odd, the body text is showing up a lot darker now
[22:44] <YaManicKill> cause its flash, it doesn't work very well with my css files
[22:45] <YaManicKill> ok, so its not an issue now? that's weird, maybe it was a blip on my server and it wasn't serving the css files properly
[22:46] <gordonjcp> "For all intensive purposes" -> "For all intents and purposes"
[22:46] <gordonjcp> :-)
[22:47] <YaManicKill> done. incase you couldn't tell, i failed English at school :-P
[22:47] <gordonjcp> heh
[22:47] <gordonjcp> don't pull the dyslexia card, I'm ridiculously dyslexic ;-)
[22:48] <YaManicKill> haha, no i'm not dyslexic
[22:48] <gordonjcp> that's one of the reasons I'm so picky about language
[22:48] <YaManicKill> fairynuff
[22:48] <popey> directhex: how on earth do you get the batteries out of the controller?
[22:49] <YaManicKill> but seriously, if you have issues with my website please let me know what i can do to make it better etc. I don't claim to be a great web designer, just an amateur.
[22:49] <popey> directhex: managed it!
[22:50] <gordonjcp> YaManicKill: it does look really low-contrast still
[22:51] <gordonjcp> my website is pretty crap too though, so you may want to take my advice fairly lightly
[22:51] <YaManicKill> lol, well I'll have a play around with some colours later when I actually have some free time fromuni
[23:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] DirecTV Charge You To Fix Their Service Issues - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/12/directtv-charge-you-to-fix-their-service-issues/
[23:28] <directhex> popey: no idea, i bought a play-and-charge kit immediately