[01:28] n #twitlive3 [06:19] [Jono Bacon] Web Design Help Needed - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/12/web-design-help-needed/ [06:41] Hi, how is the performance of Unity on beta 1 before I install ubuntu-desktop to give it a try? On 11.10 the UI was to laggy to use. Kde works fine with all desktop effects on my system however both on 11.10 and 12.04. (EeePC 1005ha) [06:58] GirlyGirl: Depends on your hardware a bit, but I have no problems on Intel video [07:00] MartijnVdS: Which Intel GPU do you have? [07:01] uhh [07:01] pre-SandyBridge i3 and i5 [07:02] so IronLake I think? [07:03] [ 94.821] (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) Clarkdale [07:08] Mine is a lot less powerful ... Gma 950 Intel Atom, however I expect it to work as it works extremely well on KDE doing effects that unity isn't even capable of ... also theoretically it has the features to run unity. But for some reason all gtk3 stuff lags like the UI of software center (even when run under kDE). Unity itself is fast [07:09] * Azelphur hugs his GTX 570 and OC'd i7 950 [07:10] GirlyGirl: 950 isn't too bad, I'd go for it :) [07:10] Azelphur: I still can't stand nvidia :) [07:11] Also, I've got an interesting challenge [07:11] there's this guy who does awesome music, and he was doing a live stream on ustream earlier, I managed to get into the autorecord on ustream before he set it to private...so I can play it as long as I don't close the tab [07:11] any way I can rip it? [07:11] MartijnVdS: Not that I really care as KDE is my main DE, I just want to give Ubuntu 12.04 a test run [07:12] GirlyGirl: you can always boot it from an USB stick [07:12] I might just point gtk-recordmydesktop at it XD [07:13] Azelphur: rtmpsuck might help [07:13] * Azelphur googles it [07:14] Azelphur: it's a proxy for Flash's streaming protocol that saves the output to disk [07:14] Azelphur: it's in the rtmpdump package [07:14] MartijnVdS: yea, the interesting thing is I can only do it if i can do it without refreshing the page [07:14] if I refresh the page, I'm locked out. [07:14] Azelphur: hmmm [07:15] you could run wireshark and save ALL network traffic to disk [07:15] then sort it out afterwards [07:15] Azelphur: Use gtk-recordmydesktop and later rip from that [07:15] MartijnVdS: haha, that'd be a bit difficult no doubt [07:16] Azelphur: I have no idea if there's crypto involved, but if there isn't it should be as easy as stripping the IP headers and concatenating [07:16] maybe removing dups [07:16] depends on how bad you want it ;) [07:16] *shrug* [07:17] I wants it, and I shall work until I get it :P [07:17] Azelphur: Send a cable from headphone, to mic or line in and use a recording app [07:17] yea, gtk-recordmydesktop can be my fallback [07:21] nah, rtmpsuck doesn't seem to see it [07:21] and it's not a flash flv stored in the cache like youtube either [07:22] Azelphur: for rtmpsuck to work it needs to see the start of the request, and you have to use iptables to route all traffic through it [07:22] Azelphur: see /usr/share/doc/rtmpdump [07:22] yea I did [07:22] I found a post on askubuntu.com that says it doesn't wok [07:22] At all? Because I got it to work a few weeks ago [07:22] with ustream? [07:23] no [07:23] with npr :) [07:23] apparently it's a ustream specific issue [07:23] on purpose, no doubt [07:23] Is there anything better than gtk-recordmydesktop? It's almost impossible to select a region with it [07:23] for some reason it feels the need to project your screen in a tiny postage stamp sized box, which doesn't allow you to accurately draw a box around something at all :( [07:24] Azelphur: you need audio only? [07:24] video would be cool too, but yea I only really care about the audio [07:25] then you can use pulseaudio magics [07:25] A line in cable would make things easier [07:25] http://www.funwithelectronics.com/?id=95 [07:25] fun :P [07:25] GirlyGirl: not necessary, just pacat :) [07:26] still interested in something that lets you select regions better than gtk-recordmydesktop, it's irritating :P [07:28] Azelphur: there is a similar kde utility that works fine forgot the name though [07:39] MartijnVdS: I found out that the command line recordmydesktop has accurate width and height params, so now I just need to make it capture audio [07:41] I can imagine the look on your face if the browser crashes or something [07:41] I would rage. [07:41] D: [07:42] missed live performance...must see it [07:42] well, seen it already now I just want to keep it [07:42] haha [07:48] MartijnVdS: and that pulseaudio page doesn't seem to be working for me :'( [07:50] aha, mission success I managed to make gtk-recordmydesktop capture [07:53] Azelphur: kazam [07:53] wassat? [07:53] "better than recordmydesktop" [07:53] ah cool [07:53] will have a nose at it :) [07:53] it can record the audio from the sound card which is handy [07:54] audio in or audio out? [07:54] out [07:54] ooh [07:54] just made gtk-recordmydesktop do that with some pulse magic [07:54] yeah, no magic required with kazam [07:54] just start it and press record ☺ [07:55] nice [07:55] also, recordmydesktop is dead basically, no active development at all [08:22] morning [08:23] This time I'm struggling to find the option to disable the login drum in 12.04. Any hint where to look? [08:31] kazam does need a bit more resources I think, best to do screencasts on somewhat deced hardware [08:35] * AlanBell is on a boat [08:42] i say! where are you sailing off to ? [08:42] (and good morning lovelies) [08:44] good morning all! [08:47] down the thames to Canary wharf [08:47] it is a lovel day for it [08:48] AlanBell: ft. T-Pain? :) [08:50] ooh nice [08:58] good morning everyone [08:59] \o [09:00] o/ [09:02] Morning all [09:03] morning :) [09:03] <_serial_> morning [09:03] morning diplo , christel and _serial_ [09:03] <_serial_> good morning brobostigon :) [09:04] :) [09:07] i tried kazam yesterday, works great. [09:08] morning [09:11] gah this new playing stuff once it has downloaded is most annoying [09:11] czajkowski: eh? [09:13] morning all [09:14] popey: downloading stuff and when it arrives it's automatically starting to play using movie player which isn't my default application VLC is [09:14] popey: 3 .avi files have just landed and all 3 open and start to play [09:23] czajkowski: how did the avi files download? click links in browser? [09:23] popey: aye right click, save to place. [09:28] i havent had it open automatically [09:30] odd only happening since friday [09:30] Good morning peeps :) === angela-android is now known as nothingspecial [09:42] can anyone help me out with a network issue [09:42] whenever i am connected to my net gear either wireless or wired and someone else connects the router crashes out? [09:47] anyone else tell me how much electricity and gas they use in a year? [09:47] terraced house, 1 wife+kid [09:48] only 1 wife? [09:48] estimated next year, 347 elec, £373 gas [09:48] nothingspecial, yeah, not enough space [09:48] :p [09:49] richardperkins, sounds like a broken router to me ;) maybe try and figure out if you can reset the router to factory defaults if its a new issue [09:49] mungojerry, hang on [09:49] let me find my paperwork [09:49] :D [09:50] mungojerry: sounds okay [09:50] 373 for gas is cheap [09:51] over winter i've had it on permanantely :S [09:51] looks like about 1100 a year combined [09:51] for a whole year? [09:51] in my old house we were nearly 800 quid for gas [09:51] last 12 months: 2,246 kWh elec 7,972 kWh gas [09:51] mine's £450/quarter for both [09:51] :< [09:51] io what's yr setup? [09:52] is there a roof on the house? [09:52] 1 [09:52] 7973 kWh of gas from november->may, 2340 kWh of electricity for the same period [09:52] :) [09:52] directhex, wow pretty close === Donald is now known as Guest50176 [09:52] my wife is at home all day [09:52] I have the heating on constantly though, 'tis cold at the moment :< [09:52] 2 bed coachhouse [09:52] i suspect would be cheap if nobody was indoors [09:52] gas heating & hob [09:53] gas hob, too [09:53] i plot graphs of the temp of my house [09:53] nerd [09:53] mungojerry, About same as mine £350 mark for each [09:53] good to hear [09:53] me and 2 young sons [09:53] No wife, so a large saving there [09:53] :) [09:54] purely theoretically, is there anyone in the London-ish corner of the country who could pick up three synthesizers for me and hold onto them for a week or two? [09:57] mungojerry: 2-bed semi, wife + 2 kids. Estimated ~10,000kWh gas, ~4,500kWh electricity, based on current usage from June - present. [09:58] JamesTait, wow,.. [09:58] that's a fair chunk of your income [09:59] i use a lot of electricity here, but its mostly just nerd tax [09:59] i feel that after food, fuel (gas/elec/petrol), mortgage and council tax, there's nothing left [10:00] i have a nerd budget entitlement each month that i haven't touched in ages [10:00] mungojerry: Comes to about £1,000 p/a, which is a lot less than the mortgage and food. :) [10:01] Come to think of it, it's probably less than I spend on the car I hardly use as well. [10:02] my dad used to spend his whole time turning the heating down, but it was cheap in those days [10:08] My mortage a month is more than my gas/elec is per year :( [10:08] Oh bugger, my wife has just been given a works laptop..... [10:09] mungojerry: i'd have to log in to check the kwh figures, but we spend around 700/quarter on gas+electricity [10:09] christel, which country? UK? [10:09] (that said, i work from home so we probably have heating on much more than we would if i left the house for 8-10 hours a day) [10:09] i think my mortgage is only around 160pm [10:10] !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 [10:10] semi-detached property, 2 adults + 1 child [10:10] :( [10:10] My mortage is just shy of £900 [10:10] christel, save money on rail travel , [10:10] mungojerry: yeah UK (england) [10:10] apparently on the continent, gas prices are enormous [10:10] e.g. denmark [10:11] Morning [10:12] mungojerry: do you live in a cardboard box? [10:12] (morning) [10:13] popey, why's that? [10:13] 10:09:54 < mungojerry> i think my mortgage is only around 160pm [10:13] mine is ~1200 [10:13] popey: Old people who bought houses when they where sensibly priced [10:13] my first house was 65k [10:13] :D [10:13] ^ point proven [10:13] second house was 325, but th efirst house had gone to 165 in the meantime [10:14] * daubers is just getting his first house at nearly £190k [10:14] * popey wonders how old mungojerry is [10:14] i had a high deposit on first house, so was able to aggressively save while i was single, to put large deposit on 2nd house [10:14] * popey is still living in his first house [10:14] =popey-1 [10:14] ahhh [10:15] is that a standard unit of measurement now? [10:15] 4th house here [10:15] will try not to move house for another 15years [10:15] And I think I'm popey -3 or 4 [10:15] :P [10:15] we've been here 10, would like to stay another 10 ☺ [10:15] or 15 [10:15] it involves throwing many thousands at people you dislike [10:15] be nice to pay off the house completely [10:16] i look popey -10 though [10:16] nothing to do with popey [10:16] just the effect of drinking oil of ulay [10:17] average age of ubuntu-uk = popey ±10 ? [10:17] i have a public sector wage now and cannot afford to do anything ever again [10:17] I will stay in mine another year or two, until I find someone to settle down with, don't want to move twice!! [10:18] i'm told that women like a man with a house and car [10:18] * TheOpenSourcerer has a very low mortgage now ~£100 p/m [10:18] ._. [10:18] Please!! stop it! [10:18] :( [10:18] i'm paying £1050 a month on my mortgage [10:19] * MartijnVdS pays ~€600/month [10:19] Mine would have been if the ex hadn't wanted to move [10:19] directhex, married ? / joint mortage ? [10:19] diplo, married [10:19] * daubers will be paying ~£800 p/m [10:20] We paid off most of our mortgage in 2001. Thanks to redundancies & stock options :-) [10:20] I really need to either think about getting a lodger or seriously trying to find a new woman [10:20] nice TheOpenSourcerer , I tried that with my last job but no go :/ [10:20] diplo: lodgers are less expensive to keep [10:20] +1 for paying off mortgage [10:20] Yeah but I also have 2 boys with me half a week each week [10:20] i opened a PEP (remember those?) in 1998..with £2800. guess how much it's worth now? 2900. [10:21] heh [10:21] should have bought apple shares [10:21] or del monte at least [10:21] diplo: It was quite funny actually. My wife and I were both made redundant on the same day from different companies. And we were both really happy about it. [10:22] i am not sure how old i am in popey. [10:22] (i cant remember how old popey is!) [10:23] popey is elvis-43? [10:23] ∞ [10:23] great alt+f2 is broken [10:23] elvis-37 [10:23] something like that. [10:23] I asked for redundancy TheOpenSourcerer but they wouldn't give it to me, so had to hand my notice in which I was happy about [10:24] Just not happy with this job now :( [10:25] o/ [10:25] I worked for a US start-up which got bought by Ericsson. Had to stay 2 years to get the money. Wifey worked for a startup that got bought by Freeserve. [10:25] freeserve lol [10:25] those were the days [10:26] yeah. [10:26] reminds me of the facebook IPO [10:26] ever user of freeserve was worth £2000 [10:26] yeah right [10:26] They signed the deal about three weeks before the dotcom bubble popped [10:27] are men allowed to the flossie conference? looks good http://www.flossie.org/?page_id=125 === mungojerry is now known as oimon [10:29] oimon: dont think so [10:29] christel: 40 in 23 days [10:30] * oimon revises his popey age. [10:30] wow [10:30] really? [10:30] * TheOpenSourcerer was 47 last week. [10:31] popey, thought not. shame as it's in my building [10:32] lol @ https://twitter.com/#!/NickMotown/status/179135101119115265/photo/1 [10:37] RAT tickets arrived \o/ [10:39] woop! [10:39] danfish_: got the ducks yes? [10:41] * daubers ponders acquiring some music [10:42] * DJones donates Agadoo to daubers [10:42] bigcalm: would've been better if they were RATM tickets ;) [10:42] DJones: I already have agadoo [10:42] RATM? [10:43] rage [10:43] ... rage against the machine [10:43] who're they then [10:43] ? [10:44] they got the christmas number 1 the other year and don't seem to have done anything since [10:44] yeah [10:44] toured but no new material [10:44] an hour and 15 minute concert felt like 3 hours [10:45] howdy [10:45] hi andylockran [10:47] * daubers waits for U1 to get new music [10:54] howdy [10:54] sagaci: what's new? [10:55] hrm, what would be a better use of my time this morning, working on work, or making a youtube playlist of really good zx spectrum music [10:56] The latter [10:56] _always_ the latter [10:56] haha. work. [10:57] gord, will the playlist help you work faster? [10:57] s/faster/smarter/ [10:58] given that i'd have to rock out like grandpa dizzy in kwik snax, i'd say no [11:01] morning all [11:01] czajkowski: prod [11:02] davmor2: ello [11:03] popey: you made the awesome, awesomer, /me sits back and watches czajkowski head explode [11:05] meh [11:05] too busy [11:05] :) [11:07] davmor2: hmm? [11:07] morning all [11:08] popey: in the Topic it's not asterisks any more for pompoms [11:09] ahh [11:14] popey: so the awesome got awesomer and again /me waits for czajkowski head to explode [11:15] * jussi waves to davmor2 [11:16] jussi: Hey dude [11:16] davmor2: My daughter is feeling better now, its amazing the difference when they have been sick and then they are happy [11:17] jussi: Woohoo! glad to hear it dude, nothing worse than a poorly kid and you can't do anything :( [11:18] davmor2: yeah, it wasnt serious, just an upset tummy, but still, not nice for her [11:18] when well, she is such a happy kid [11:19] davmor2: you did hear the name, tight? [11:19] right* [11:19] jussi: Nope you hadn't chosen one when last we spoke [11:19] oh! Her name is Elodi Aurora :) [11:22] jussi: you should of gone the whole hog and added Borealis as a second middle name ;) nice name though on a more serious note :) [11:22] :D [11:23] davmor2: but then I would have had to choose Australis or Borealis... was too hard so we left it out :P [11:23] (given Im australian and Sari si a finn...) [11:23] haha [11:28] \o/ spotify is fixed [11:28] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/spotify-for-linux-preview-gets-small-bug-fix-update/ works for m [11:28] *me [11:29] Might have to give it a go [11:30] damnit, works on one pc, not on another [11:31] I can't remember the package name for me to remove [11:31] remove? [11:32] Remove my current install (from the spotify site) [11:32] remove what [11:32] ʘ‿ಠ [11:32] Show off :P [11:32] hah [11:33] bigcalm: no it just means he has way too much time on his hands [11:33] spotify-client-qt [11:35] Hmm... my 3g modem has stopped working in precise === graham is now known as Guest48401 [11:36] Nope, still crashes upon loading [11:36] Meh [11:37] startup disk creator requires password entry 4 times when writing a usb. worse than vista :( [11:37] file a bug? [11:37] But works if I launch it from the CLI [11:37] Humms === graham_ is now known as Guest40658 [11:37] anyone else having issues when they open up any folder and try and get the scroll bars to work, cant seem to touch mine but they go and hide on me [11:38] overlay scrollbars? [11:38] bigcalm: check the /usr/share/applications/.desktop file and ensure the details are correct [11:40] davmor2: how would I know if they were not? :) [11:40] run the command it has there and see if it then crashes [11:41] The command is 'spotify %U' [11:41] popey: yup [11:41] I'm not sure what it expects to be passed into %U [11:42] bigcalm: if the path is pointing some where other than where the app is etc, it might be that the original version left it's desktop file in place so it is pointing at the old version not the new for example [11:42] it just means it can open URLs / files [11:42] Where on earth is all the usb-modeswitch data kept these days? [11:42] it is supposed to be removed if launched from a menu [11:42] daubers: /lib/udev? [11:42] i.e. 'spotify' [11:42] RS Components said it will have the first batch of Raspberry Pi microcomputers in its warehouses by the end of March. [11:43] oimon: I have "Stock allocated" by Farnell for the end of April [11:44] i got a mail from RS saying thanks for joining the mailing list, no idea how to order or pre-order === cmdtaggart is now known as CmdTaggart === CmdTaggart is now known as PQTaggart === PQTaggart is now known as CmdPQTaggart [11:53] spotify still crash [11:53] its all lies! === webpigeon_laptop is now known as webpigeon [11:56] right-click and menus working again is LIES [12:01] Hmmm.... if I put it in a USB2.0 port it works, in a USB3 port it doesn't [12:19] [Alan Lord] How to: OpenERP 6.1, Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, nginx SSL Reverse Proxy - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2012/03/12/how-to-openerp-6-1-ubuntu-10-04-lts-nginx-ssl-reverse-proxy/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=how-to-openerp-6-1-ubuntu-10-04-lts-nginx-ssl-reverse-proxy [12:29] * gord spies a not pretty url [12:30] would openerp be a good fit for a stock control system? [12:30] it looks like it does a hell of a lot more than I need [12:30] gordonjcp: it would, you can turn off stuff you don't use [12:32] * popey hands AlanBell http://ocaoimh.ie/2010/02/22/remove-unused-utmsource-urls/ [12:37] not a very clueful article [12:37] it is google analytics stuff, I dunno how much value it adds though. TheOpenSourcerer probably has an opinion. [12:38] That URL is from the planet not me. [12:39] it is from the RSS feed [12:39] planet isn't adding it, the wordpress google analytics plugin is (probably) [12:40] Oh OK - It doesn't happen that often so I'm totally unfussed. [12:41] i propose all planet urls are first passed through http://socuteurl.com [12:42] I like that! [12:47] http://socuteurl.com/pugmuffypuppy [12:47] :D [12:47] I could see some odd combinations coming out of that! [12:48] I just got http://socuteurl.com/weewillyrub ... [12:49] ... [12:50] haha [12:51] heh that's the sort of thing I was thinking, but was thinking more of the lady garden [12:51] :P [12:51] ʘ‿ಠ [13:00] AlanBell: sounds good [13:09] is there a quicker tool than wipe? i'd like to use DBAN to wipe a disk before a RTM but only have ubuntu livecd with me. any suggestions? [13:09] All depends how well you want it wiped [13:10] Is it really sensitive data ? [13:10] tbh, I'd be happy with formatting it a few times [13:10] formatting won't help [13:10] since you're not actually writing to all sectors [13:11] for all practical purposes a single pass of /dev/zero will destroy all data on the disk beyond hope of recovery [13:12] gordonjcp: Not 600 times /dev/random1?!?!11/!? [13:13] MartijnVdS: not in this lifetime [13:13] dd zero over the disk is enougfh [13:13] nobody has ever recovered a disk that has had dd if=/dev/zero /dev/sda [13:13] AFAIAA [13:13] well, no [13:13] and saying you can look at residual magnetism doesn't work either [13:14] ☺ [13:14] not since about the earliest >1GB disks [13:14] That's what NSA spooks _would_ say :) [13:14] dd /dev/zero doesn't have a progress bar :( [13:14] i think there's a kill command to see progress tho [13:15] i'm doing that instead tho, thanks for sugestion [13:15] kill -USR1 [13:15] wipe uses /dev/random , and even quick wipe is 4x [13:16] gonna take a while on a 500gb laptop disk :-\ [13:16] make sure you're on the right disk [13:17] :D [13:17] -!- oimon has quit (connection just plain gone...) [13:18] anyone use mathematica? [13:18] trying to do some data analysis, dunno where to start [13:26] aww [13:32] oimon, can you not make it use /dev/urandom - it has less entropy but is way quicker [13:32] zero is quicker gord :D [13:32] but still slow [13:32] :( [13:33] yeah but zero is more suspicious! [13:34] there should be an easy way you can wipe a drive, replacing it with a fake windows 98 (not se) install that is full of viruses [13:38] oimon: mathematica \o/ [13:38]