=== jalcine is now known as webjadmin_ === smb` is now known as smb === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === _salem is now known as salem_ === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:11] Is this the home of current Compiz/Unity developers ? === JanC_ is now known as JanC === smb` is now known as smb [14:28] Question: Why is Cannonical dropping Emerald instead of using it as default window-decorator ? [14:28] It was developed to work with Compiz and is by far the most advanced win-decorator out there, so ? [14:29] now it does not build for Precise anymore (used it on 11.04 and 11.10) [14:29] It has many features other decorators simply do not have, like programmable title buttons, which are very useful for pros. [14:30] You can for example add 3 additional buttons to roll up/down, make the window sticky/unsticky or ontop/normal... [14:30] also no other window-decorator can look that good :) [14:32] So why not use it - it is already developed, there are many nice themes for it, there is the Emerald decorator, which is also working and fully developed... [14:32] Please make it at least optionally available for Precise... [14:32] Many folks would appreciate that for sure :) [14:32] http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-emerald-in-ubuntu-1110-oneiric.html [14:33] so long speech, short resumee: I want Emerald back - who is able to help ? ;) [14:34] Also another question: Will compiz-plugins-extra and *-unsupported be dropped for Prescise ? [14:34] What is the future of Compiz/Unity ? :) [14:34] *Precise [14:38] Trevinho: hey dude - just found a function to check if a pointer points into a mapped page (remember your write() trick?). I think you can use mincore() to a "clean" check [14:38] but it requires some page alignment juggling [14:38] :-) [14:39] kamstrup, madness! :P [14:41] MCR: is Emerald still maintained upstream? [14:41] kamstrup: cool :) [14:43] mhr3: dude, this is nothing. You wouldn't believe where I've been today ;-) [14:43] JanC: Not really, but it was made fit to work with compiz 0.9+ by soreau on the #compiz-dev channel not so long ago, then this version was available later via PPA for 11.04 and 11.10 [14:43] JanC: Now (on Precise) latest master is not compiling anymore :( [14:44] right, so it doesn't make sense to include it in Ubuntu then? [14:44] JanC: I was not able to get in contact with soreau, or am still waiting for answers... [14:44] kamstrup, i'll protect our nice userspace from the likes of you... "thou shall not pass!" :) [14:44] JanC: It would make sense for the reasons I posted above... [14:45] MCR: I'd say those reasons don't make sense when you look at the goals of the design team ;) [14:46] JanC: Where can I find those goals ? [14:47] and I'm sure nobody would object against including emerald in universe in 12.04, provided there is somebody taking care of it... [14:48] MCR: it's quite obvious the unity team doesn't want to maintain a window decorator with 700 options, right ;) [14:51] JanC: It is already fully developed so maintaining it would only mean keeping it compatible with the changes made to compiz - it would also mean to have a window decorator available that was designed to work together with Compiz - dropping features without proper replacement should not be the way to go IMHO... [14:53] JanC: If metacity or gtk-win-decorator would have the features I need and look that good, I would not complain - but they do neither [14:56] MCR: "good looking" is a subjective thing; I found most emerald themes to be quite ugly-looking back when I last tried it (which is several years ago now) [15:02] JanC: Sure it is. But stuff like buttons to shade/unshade sticky/unsticky roll up/down, transparency and glow, irregular window deco shapes are features that just Emerald is able to deliver and this is not subjective opinion... [15:04] JanC: I am sure you would find a window decoration for Emerald you would like these days ;) - there are plenty to choose from and you can individualize them as well... ;) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|dinner === JanC_ is now known as JanC === s9iper1_ is now known as s9iper1 === MacSlow|dinner is now known as MacSlow [18:48] can someone familiar with the sound menu API take a look at this for me? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mhall119/devportal/soundmenu#preview [18:48] just let me know if I'm missing anything important, or got anything wrong [19:41] mhall119, ronoc is your guy for that [19:43] Who should I thank 4 making compiz-plugins-extra available in Universe :) ? [19:43] *for Precise [19:44] GREAT ! This is the right direction :-D [19:47] Hey guys, bit OT, is gnomeui library depreciated? I keep on getting errors which indicate it can't find gtk. [19:47] /usr/include/libgnomeui-2.0/libgnomeui/gnome-client.h:107:3: error: unknown type name ‘GtkObject’ [19:47] mhr3: yeah, I spoke with him this morning, be he's gone now === rsalveti` is now known as rsalveti [21:21] most of libgnomeui has been deprecated for years AFAIK... === yofel_ is now known as yofel === salem_ is now known as _salem [22:37] can anyone tell me the current dash key is? tapping Super no longer works [22:39] still super [22:40] broken then, as of now [22:40] check in ccsm under "Key to show the launcher" [22:41] maybe something weird got in there [22:41] same on two boxes [22:42] hm. strange. both run 5.6.0? [22:42] whatever in the archive niow [22:42] you can check with unity --version [22:43] unity 5.6.0 [22:45] ppd keybinding says Super [22:45] what I would try is to set something else for the reveal key in ccsm and check again. But aside from that I have no real clue [23:33] mhr3: daemon.vala:814.27-814.32: error: The name `Locate' does not exist in the context of `Unity.FilesLens.Daemon.perform_locate' [23:33] mhr3: i have this error when compiling, can you enligthen me? [23:34] mhr3: i merged form trunk!