[14:11] <MCR> Is this the home of current Compiz/Unity developers ?
[14:28] <MCR> Question: Why is Cannonical dropping Emerald instead of using it as default window-decorator ?
[14:28] <MCR>  It was developed to work with Compiz and is by far the most advanced win-decorator out there, so ?
[14:29] <MCR> now it does not build for Precise anymore (used it on 11.04 and 11.10)
[14:29] <MCR>  It has many features other decorators simply do not have, like programmable title buttons, which are very useful for pros.
[14:30] <MCR> You can for example add 3 additional buttons to roll up/down, make the window sticky/unsticky or ontop/normal...
[14:30] <MCR> also no other window-decorator can look that good :)
[14:32] <MCR> So why not use it - it is already developed, there are many nice themes for it, there is the Emerald decorator, which is also working and fully developed...
[14:32] <MCR> Please make it at least optionally available for Precise...
[14:32] <MCR> Many folks would appreciate that for sure :)
[14:32] <MCR> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-emerald-in-ubuntu-1110-oneiric.html
[14:33] <MCR> so long speech, short resumee: I want Emerald back - who is able to help ? ;)
[14:34] <MCR> Also another question: Will compiz-plugins-extra and *-unsupported be dropped for Prescise ?
[14:34] <MCR> What is the future of Compiz/Unity ? :)
[14:34] <MCR> *Precise
[14:38] <kamstrup> Trevinho: hey dude - just found a function to check if a pointer points into a mapped page (remember your write() trick?). I think you can use mincore() to a "clean" check
[14:38] <kamstrup> but it requires some page alignment juggling
[14:38] <kamstrup> :-)
[14:39] <mhr3> kamstrup, madness! :P
[14:41] <JanC> MCR: is Emerald still maintained upstream?
[14:41] <Trevinho> kamstrup: cool :)
[14:43] <kamstrup> mhr3: dude, this is nothing. You wouldn't believe where I've been today ;-)
[14:43] <MCR> JanC: Not really, but it was made fit to work with compiz 0.9+ by soreau on the #compiz-dev channel not so long ago, then this version was available later via PPA for 11.04 and 11.10
[14:43] <MCR> JanC: Now (on Precise) latest master is not compiling anymore :(
[14:44] <JanC> right, so it doesn't make sense to include it in Ubuntu then?
[14:44] <MCR> JanC: I was not able to get in contact with soreau, or am still waiting for answers...
[14:44] <mhr3> kamstrup, i'll protect our nice userspace from the likes of you... "thou shall not pass!" :)
[14:44] <MCR> JanC: It would make sense for the reasons I posted above...
[14:45] <JanC> MCR: I'd say those reasons don't make sense when you look at the goals of the design team  ;)
[14:46] <MCR> JanC: Where can I find those goals ?
[14:47] <JanC> and I'm sure nobody would object against including emerald in universe in 12.04, provided there is somebody taking care of it...
[14:48] <JanC> MCR: it's quite obvious the unity team doesn't want to maintain a window decorator with 700 options, right  ;)
[14:51] <MCR> JanC: It is already fully developed so maintaining it would only mean keeping it compatible with the changes made to compiz - it would also mean to have a window decorator available that was designed to work together with Compiz - dropping features without proper replacement should not be the way to go IMHO...
[14:53] <MCR> JanC: If metacity or gtk-win-decorator would have the features I need and look that good, I would not complain - but they do neither
[14:56] <JanC> MCR: "good looking" is a subjective thing; I found most emerald themes to be quite ugly-looking back when I last tried it (which is several years ago now)
[15:02] <MCR> JanC: Sure it is. But stuff like buttons to shade/unshade sticky/unsticky roll up/down, transparency and glow, irregular window deco shapes are features that just Emerald is able to deliver and this is not subjective opinion...
[15:04] <MCR> JanC: I am sure you would find a window decoration for Emerald you would like these days ;) - there are plenty to choose from and you can individualize them as well... ;)
[18:48] <mhall119> can someone familiar with the sound menu API take a look at this for me? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mhall119/devportal/soundmenu#preview
[18:48] <mhall119> just let me know if I'm missing anything important, or got anything wrong
[19:41] <mhr3> mhall119, ronoc is your guy for that
[19:43] <MCR> Who should I thank 4 making compiz-plugins-extra available in Universe :) ?
[19:43] <MCR> *for Precise
[19:44] <MCR> GREAT ! This is the right direction :-D
[19:47] <doctormon> Hey guys, bit OT, is gnomeui library depreciated? I keep on getting errors which indicate it can't find gtk.
[19:47] <doctormon> /usr/include/libgnomeui-2.0/libgnomeui/gnome-client.h:107:3: error: unknown type name ‘GtkObject’
[19:47] <mhall119> mhr3: yeah, I spoke with him this morning, be he's gone now
[21:21] <JanC> most of libgnomeui has been deprecated for years AFAIK...
[22:37] <apw> can anyone tell me the current dash key is? tapping Super no longer works
[22:39] <ppd> still super
[22:40] <apw> broken then, as of now
[22:40] <ppd> check in ccsm under "Key to show the launcher"
[22:41] <ppd> maybe something weird got in there
[22:41] <apw> same on two boxes
[22:42] <ppd> hm. strange. both run 5.6.0?
[22:42] <apw> whatever in the archive niow
[22:42] <ppd> you can check with unity --version
[22:43] <apw> unity 5.6.0
[22:45] <apw> ppd keybinding says Super
[22:45] <ppd> what I would try is to set something else for the reveal key in ccsm and check again. But aside from that I have no real clue
[23:33] <angeloc> mhr3: daemon.vala:814.27-814.32: error: The name `Locate' does not exist in the context of `Unity.FilesLens.Daemon.perform_locate'
[23:33] <angeloc> mhr3: i have this error when compiling, can you enligthen me?
[23:34] <angeloc> mhr3: i merged form trunk!