| pleia2 | on my way home from palo alto, should be home around meeting time | 01:32 |
|---|---|---|
| akk | Then you have to tell us about your new toy! | 01:33 |
| * eps tiptoes to the center of the channel | 02:04 | |
| eps | WAKE UP!!! | 02:05 |
| jbermudes | sheeple? | 02:06 |
| eps | Let me guess ... they forgot to set their clocks ahead an hour | 02:06 |
| pleia2 | hello! | 02:08 |
| pleia2 | eps: I was on my way home ;) | 02:08 |
| pleia2 | took a bit longer coming back than expected | 02:08 |
| pleia2 | so, who all is here for the meeting? | 02:08 |
| eps | I suspect we'll wrap this up while it's still light outside. | 02:10 |
| pleia2 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12March11 | 02:10 |
| pleia2 | nothing really on the agenda | 02:10 |
| pleia2 | MarkDude, grantbow, you guys around? any words of wisdom or encouragement following the walnut creek global jam? :) | 02:10 |
| pleia2 | broder ended up showing up at a coffee shop in SF last Saturday and casually inviting people out for informal jamming, I went, as did my pangolin: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6950454233 | 02:11 |
| MarkDude | Jonopaloooza rocked | 02:12 |
| pleia2 | :) | 02:12 |
| pleia2 | ok, as far as upcoming stuff, looks like just the Ubuntu Hour in SF this week: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/1580/detail/ | 02:13 |
| pleia2 | and iheartubuntu has been working on our Gaming Night wiki page, he's added a bunch of games! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/GameNights | 02:14 |
| pleia2 | akk, iheartubuntu and myself tested out PyScrabble the other day, was fun | 02:14 |
| pleia2 | ah, beta1 came out on march 1st: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000899.html | 02:16 |
| pleia2 | probably a bit too early to start talking release parties :) | 02:17 |
| pleia2 | anyone have anything they'd like to share? | 02:17 |
| eps | Any UDS-Q news? | 02:18 |
| pleia2 | no news really, we started putting together a page of ideas here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q | 02:18 |
| pleia2 | and yes, I know they said registration would open March 9th, but it hasn't yet | 02:19 |
| pleia2 | hopefully tomorrow :) | 02:19 |
| akk | Got a 10.10 CD in my swag bag at PyCon a few days ago. | 02:19 |
| akk | er, guess that would be 11.10 | 02:19 |
| pleia2 | neat, canonical was a sponsor so I assume that's where those came from :) | 02:20 |
| jyo | Gotta get rid of those 11.10 CDs somehow. | 02:21 |
| pleia2 | alright, anything else? | 02:22 |
| pleia2 | ok, I think that's a wrap then, thanks everyone :) | 02:25 |
| pleia2 | http://www.frys.com/product/6973897 is the new toy! | 02:26 |
| pleia2 | I've been looking for a supercheap system for a while to do testing and whatnot on that had virtualization so it could actually be useful beyond that too | 02:27 |
| akk | Cool... how well does linux work with those new integrated AMD/Radeons? | 02:28 |
| akk | (probably too early to be asking that, unless someone else knows) | 02:28 |
| pleia2 | yeah, too early for me to tell :) | 02:29 |
| pleia2 | https://friendly.ubuntu.com/11.10/LENOVO/Lenovo%20G575/A:Fep:KHe:BEG:DpW:B9ip:h:B5G:DOn:B9i/ | 02:29 |
| pleia2 | so it does at least work! | 02:29 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: We finally got a proper logo :) https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-or/+junk/logos/view/head:/ubuntu-us-or_generic.svg | 02:33 |
| bkerensa | Hope to have our banner printed before release party :) | 02:33 |
| pleia2 | nice :) | 02:34 |
| akk | funny, launchpad doesn't offer a "view" option, just the svg source. | 02:34 |
| bkerensa | luckily we have someone who is good with the gimp :D | 02:35 |
| bkerensa | akk: yeah ikr :( | 02:35 |
| * pleia2 actually loads up Windows 7 first | 02:35 | |
| akk | I tried clicking download then using my "view in browser" extension, but firefox said it contained errors and it couldn't show it. | 02:35 |
| pleia2 | (to make sure the computer works!) | 02:35 |
| bkerensa | I think our LoCo will also soon have a 1U server colocated locally so we can host our own website and then also have a bunch of VPS instances for doing packaging work | 02:36 |
| eps | I was able to open it in Firefox after downloading. | 02:36 |
| pleia2 | this keyboard has a numberpad, I was in love at first sight | 02:37 |
| akk | Ah, open in browser as "server sent mime" rather than "image" opened it. | 02:37 |
| pleia2 | I see Windows figured out transparency | 02:38 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: When a laptop has special keys that are meant to launch windows apps and such is there any way to map those keys to do something on Ubuntu? | 02:38 |
| pleia2 | (I haven't used it since XP at my accounting job) | 02:38 |
| eps | bkerensa: yes | 02:38 |
| akk | bkerensa: yes, but sometimes it's easy, sometimes hard depending on the keyboard. | 02:38 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: yeah, the program "xv" can typically tell you what key code is when you press it | 02:38 |
| pleia2 | then usually can map it from there | 02:38 |
| akk | xev | 02:38 |
| bkerensa | nice | 02:38 |
| pleia2 | ah, that's it | 02:38 |
| akk | xv is an ancient image viewer :) | 02:38 |
| pleia2 | right :) | 02:38 |
| pleia2 | I haven't done it in ages though, my regular keyboard doesn't have such keys and my netbook keys all worked OTB | 02:39 |
| akk | but some "multimedia" keys don't show up in xev, and then it gets harder -- you have to map them first or get them through acpi. | 02:39 |
| akk | I need to write a script to map my mute key to one of these days. | 02:40 |
| * pleia2 turns off Windows | 02:40 | |
| pleia2 | it has gotten prettier anyway | 02:40 |
| akk | And I want to map F-F8 to something that pops up a dialog saying "So you didn't believe Akkana when she told you this key isn't mapped, huh?" | 02:41 |
| akk | for when people tell me what key to press on my own laptop to talk to a projector :) | 02:41 |
| bkerensa | xev is not a very pretty app | 02:42 |
| bkerensa | :P | 02:42 |
| pleia2 | lol | 02:42 |
| akk | No, not at all. | 02:42 |
| bkerensa | in fact I'm somewhat stumped as to how to figure out what data is important that it sends to terminal | 02:42 |
| akk | It's also a pain because ending it causes a flood of additional events and you have to scroll back and find the ones you really wanted. | 02:42 |
| akk | bkerensa: Watch the output while you press and release the key you care about. | 02:43 |
| akk | (then try to remember that, and scroll back to it after you exit) | 02:43 |
| bkerensa | I just did xev | pastebinit and mashed the keys I want to map a few times | 02:44 |
| bkerensa | http://paste.ubuntu.com/879810/ | 02:44 |
| bkerensa | thats what it came up with | 02:44 |
| bkerensa | :D | 02:44 |
| akk | bkerensa: The only part that matters is the couple of lines that happened when you were pressing and releasing the specific key you're trying to map. | 02:44 |
| bkerensa | akk: well I press the button one time and kill xev and it does a lot of lines http://paste.ubuntu.com/879813/ | 02:46 |
| bkerensa | thats one press of a single button and then killall xev | 02:46 |
| akk | bkerensa: That's why I said "watch the output WHILE you press the button" | 02:48 |
| akk | and remember where it was, so you can scroll back to it after you exit xev. | 02:48 |
| akk | press, some lines come out | 02:49 |
| akk | release, some lines come out | 02:49 |
| bkerensa | akk: Its hard to because when I press the button it launches the unity files lenses | 02:49 |
| bkerensa | :D | 02:49 |
| bkerensa | which blocks terminal | 02:49 |
| bkerensa | :D | 02:49 |
| akk | ugh | 02:49 |
| akk | no way to tell unity not to do that, or to move the terminal somewhere else? | 02:49 |
| bkerensa | for some reason its mapped to unity-files-lenses | 02:49 |
| bkerensa | akk: Hmm I could try to alt-tab | 02:49 |
| bkerensa | let me see | 02:50 |
| akk | alt-tab would add more event lines, but maybe you could tell which ones they were 'cause they'd have Tab in them. | 02:50 |
| akk | Or ... is unity-files-lenses the name of the executable? | 02:51 |
| akk | You could temporarily sudo chmod 000 /usr/bin/unity-files-lenses (or whatever) | 02:51 |
| akk | so it can't run | 02:51 |
| akk | then chmod it back to 755 afterward if you want it back. | 02:51 |
| bkerensa | akk: this seems to be the right one http://paste.ubuntu.com/879820/ | 02:52 |
| akk | bkerensa: Generally you're looking for KeyPress and KeyRelease events. | 03:02 |
| bkerensa | oh | 03:02 |
| bkerensa | ok | 03:02 |
| akk | If you're not seeing any of those when you press the key, than it might be that unity or something is grabbing it before it even gets to X. | 03:03 |
| philipballew | meeting go well? | 04:45 |
| pleia2 | yep, wasn't long :) | 04:46 |
| philipballew | great! glad to hear all id good. | 04:48 |
| philipballew | *is | 04:49 |
| bkerensa | good morning philipballew | 14:18 |
| bkerensa | philipballew, pleia2: looks like that got resolved pretty easily | 14:26 |
| philipballew | looks good bkerensa | 14:56 |
| jtatum2 | am i the only one getting repeatedly killed for "excess flood"? | 16:48 |
| jtatum2 | going to shut down my bouncer until this is sorted | 16:52 |
| pleia2 | jtatum2: connecting to too many channels? | 16:54 |
| jtatum2 | perhaps, pleia2 | 16:56 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: I will be in Oakland the morning of the 12th | 17:08 |
| philipballew | bkerensa, you mean the seventh? | 17:10 |
| philipballew | or sixth? | 17:10 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: Ahh yes... I will be Oakland at 8:42am on the 6th and will headback at 9:52pm on the 12th | 17:11 |
| bkerensa | :D | 17:11 |
| bkerensa | I just got my tickets | 17:11 |
| philipballew | nice! flying or training? | 17:12 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: Train | 17:12 |
| bkerensa | :D | 17:12 |
| * philipballew is unsure if training is used right here | 17:12 | |
| bkerensa | Which saved Canonical nearly $100 | 17:12 |
| akk | Train was actually cheaper than flying? | 17:12 |
| bkerensa | although he asked he I would require a room on the train and I was like dont they just have a seat? | 17:13 |
| philipballew | I will be taking the train as well. I think that Flying from Sacramento to Oakland is not very productive. | 17:13 |
| bkerensa | maybe I should have asked for the room :P | 17:13 |
| bkerensa | but I will likely just take a brief nap when I get in to Oakland | 17:13 |
| bkerensa | and periodically doze through the night | 17:13 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: Uhh yeah that sounds not so fun... Doesnt Caltain go From Sac to SF? | 17:14 |
| bkerensa | then you could just take the Bart from Embarcadero to Oakland | 17:14 |
| akk | There's a train but I don't think it's Caltrain. | 17:14 |
| akk | Amtrack? | 17:14 |
| bkerensa | oh thats right its the Amtrak Capitol something something | 17:14 |
| philipballew | no, the placer county commuter express bus does, but thats not on sundays. | 17:15 |
| philipballew | public transit on sundays is hard | 17:15 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: the travel agency guy has a thick british accent | 17:15 |
| philipballew | I need to get one of those. | 17:16 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: Amtrak has 10 trains leaving Sac to Oakland on Sunday | 17:16 |
| bkerensa | better then my single option of one train :P | 17:16 |
| philipballew | yeah, well technically I could leave from Auburn. thats the town I'll be in. The station is say 2 miles from the house there. Sac is nice as is auburn because the cross counrty train comes through pretty often | 17:17 |
| philipballew | I should probably do JL square? | 17:18 |
| philipballew | I should be able to get my return ticket to a different location. | 17:19 |
| philipballew | gotta travel up to Napa to visit my 84 year old Grandmother. Figured at that age I should visit when I am in the area. | 17:20 |
| philipballew | the train is 3 hours, but the Amtrak bus is only two hours. | 17:21 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: my understanding and from google maps is that both hotels are really close to JL square | 17:22 |
| bkerensa | I plan on even walking from JL square to the hotel unless google maps is lying | 17:22 |
| philipballew | Im gonna have my bike so I can ride from there to the square towing my suitcase. Like Neapolitan Dynamite towing Kip into town | 17:23 |
| bkerensa | https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Amtrak+near+Jack+London+Square,+Oakland,+CA&daddr=Marriott-City+Center,+Broadway,+Oakland,+CA&hl=en&sll=45.525427,-122.583534&sspn=0.008358,0.021136&geocode=FS22QAIdUTS2-ClhEAnqx4CPgDHOk0yw_fVwNA%3BFd7QQAIdf0O2-CE43JGc1ULXAinNLkfPtoCPgDEfXi_9bHLTkw&oq=Marriott+City+Center&mra=ls&t=h&z=16 | 17:23 |
| bkerensa | should be about a 10 minute walk | 17:23 |
| bkerensa | :D | 17:23 |
| philipballew | easy! | 17:23 |
| bkerensa | tow a luggage? | 17:23 |
| bkerensa | lol | 17:23 |
| philipballew | the luggage has wheels | 17:24 |
| philipballew | it could work | 17:24 |
| philipballew | bit it will most likely end in horrible disaster | 17:25 |
| akk | I saw a guy last week mountain biking up Mission Peak with a dog running along on a (short) leash. | 17:27 |
| akk | If the dog survived that, I guess wheeled luggage could survive a few blocks. | 17:27 |
| philipballew | that can be a very bad idea | 17:27 |
| akk | Yeah, I wouldn't have done it (maybe with a really long leash). | 17:27 |
| akk | The dog looked like it was enjoying itself at least right then. | 17:28 |
| philipballew | i had a friend do that. the dog ran quickly and made her crash and tore her ligament on her front gear sprocket. | 17:28 |
| nhaines | Dogs like running. | 17:28 |
| akk | I wonder what they do on downhills (short-legged dog, bulldog type) | 17:28 |
| kdub | morning channel! | 17:28 |
| philipballew | dogs like fetching | 17:28 |
| philipballew | Hey kdub | 17:28 |
| kdub | <i'll likely be heading up for UDS as well> | 17:28 |
| philipballew | I got approved last week so ill be there as well | 17:29 |
| pleia2 | btw, registration did finally open: http://uds.ubuntu.com/register/ | 17:29 |
| pleia2 | (and as a reminder, anyone can go, the "approvals" people talk about are for paid sponsorships for travel and hotel, the event is free to attend if you can get there on your own) | 17:30 |
| philipballew | Ill be packing heat again this conference, as well it is Oakland. | 17:30 |
| philipballew | I will rent out the floor on my hotel room for 20 a night. 50 and you can have my bed and I take the floor. | 17:30 |
| philipballew | 100 and I leave the room completely | 17:31 |
| kdub | havent decided how i'll get up there yet, worse case scenario is a 7h drive :P | 17:58 |
| kdub | we're lucky its in-state this time at least! | 17:58 |
| akk | I do the drive for SCALE ... nice to have a car once I'm there | 17:59 |
| akk | though for Oakland it's not quite so important, I guess. | 17:59 |
| bkerensa | akk: will u be at UDS? | 18:00 |
| philipballew | i drove that drive yesterday kdub Its doable, just nothing good to look at but cows | 18:01 |
| akk | bkerensa: I'll be there, for sure. | 18:01 |
| bkerensa | coolbeans | 18:01 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: does California have any regular brochures or flyers that it produces to distribute in the community at libraries/schools or even events? | 20:10 |
| bkerensa | I have been looking through SpreadUbuntu and cant say that there are any that might currently be up to date | 20:11 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: we've handed out the ones from berkeleylug.com, but they need to be updated too :( | 20:12 |
| pleia2 | http://www.berkeleylug.com/?page_id=2 | 20:12 |
| pleia2 | they make the source available though, I'm sure they'd be happy to have fixes :) | 20:12 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: Do you guys have a cost effective method for printing? I usually am paying all loco costs that are not sponsored out of pocket so Im thinking kinkos likely is cheapest for mass production? | 20:13 |
| bkerensa | printing on my home printer has become to costly | 20:13 |
| bkerensa | :D | 20:13 |
| bkerensa | especially since costco wont refill my cartridges :( | 20:13 |
| pleia2 | AFAIK berkeleylug accepts donations to get them printed at a cheap printing shop nearby | 20:16 |
| pleia2 | actually | 20:16 |
| pleia2 | I think they get them done at vistaprint | 20:16 |
| bkerensa | ahh | 20:16 |
| bkerensa | :D | 20:16 |
| pleia2 | 50 for $15 | 20:16 |
| pleia2 | and they have sales all the time | 20:16 |
| pleia2 | actually, that was for a different product | 20:17 |
| pleia2 | anyway, vistaprint is pretty cheap as these things go | 20:17 |
| pleia2 | and if you order from them once, they'll send you billions of deals every day until the end of time | 20:19 |
| pleia2 | (I might be slightly exaggerating) | 20:19 |
| bkerensa | I kind of wish these were updated | 20:21 |
| bkerensa | http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/spreadubuntu/DIY%20Material/DIY-at-home/Ubuntu_Leaflet/ | 20:21 |
| bkerensa | :( | 20:21 |
| * bkerensa wonders what happened to ubuntu-marketing | 20:22 | |
| pleia2 | every 6 months someone decides they want to be the leader (or spins off their own project like ubuntu-adverts) and nothing happens | 20:22 |
| pleia2 | spreadubuntu has been the only really successful marketing thing the community has done, and that's because someone decided to Just Do It | 20:23 |
| pleia2 | we do need to encourage more people to use it all the time though | 20:23 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: Has Canonical supported the ubuntu-marketing team in the past? | 20:24 |
| pleia2 | no | 20:24 |
| bkerensa | =S | 20:24 |
| pleia2 | canonical has nothing to do with the community side of marketing, they have their own marketing department that only does canonical marketing for Ubuntu | 20:25 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: well they have an ad campaign on Google Ads and other ad networks right now that doesnt really push enterprise use at all | 20:25 |
| bkerensa | just simply a ad campaign for people to download Ubuntu for free because its "virus free" | 20:25 |
| pleia2 | they used to create a one sheet of info about Ubuntu that they'd ship in conference packs, but it was never very good (typos even), they didn't give us the source, and it was completely a waste for non-english teams | 20:25 |
| pleia2 | so we told them to not bother | 20:26 |
| bkerensa | :D | 20:26 |
| pleia2 | "we" - a session at UDS discussing the useful (or not) stuff in the conference packs | 20:26 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: Where do old release CD's end up? | 20:27 |
| bkerensa | is there a CD graveyard Canonical owns? | 20:27 |
| bkerensa | :d | 20:27 |
| pleia2 | out of that session came the banners and tablecloths for approved teams though :) | 20:27 |
| bkerensa | nice | 20:27 |
| pleia2 | afaik they try to ship them out to conferences | 20:27 |
| pleia2 | pycon got a bunch | 20:27 |
| bkerensa | if your loco is approved I guess ;) | 20:27 |
| pleia2 | they don't keep them around though, except LTS | 20:28 |
| bkerensa | hence why we are funding our own table cloth and banner :P | 20:28 |
| pleia2 | we bought our own banner too (another berkeleylug hookup) | 20:28 |
| bkerensa | yeah you guys have a nice one | 20:28 |
| bkerensa | technically we have a company sponsoring our banner but if they do not come through Im just gonna buy it | 20:29 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: Aside from Canonical folk and Ubuntu Contributors is there any other companies or vendors at UDS that work with Ubuntu? | 20:30 |
| pleia2 | do you put donate jars out at you rbooths? | 20:30 |
| pleia2 | UDS isn't really a vendor thing, there aren't booths or anything | 20:30 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: No I dont really want to deal with money in that manner for transparency purposes and also because it pushes on the fine line of being a Social Club which could require us to incorporate | 20:31 |
| bkerensa | =/ | 20:31 |
| bkerensa | I would rather just have companies who have FOSS products and services sponsor things for us | 20:31 |
| pleia2 | we put one out, never made more than $40 at an event (usually more like $3) so it doesn't really cause problems tax wise | 20:31 |
| bkerensa | and have it billed directly to them | 20:31 |
| pleia2 | some people like giving a $1 here and there for a CD | 20:32 |
| pleia2 | it helps a little, makes us able to ship CDs across the state each cycle | 20:32 |
| bkerensa | yeah when we get approved and have a higher volume of CD's to get out then I can see possibly doing that to cover shipping | 20:32 |
| pleia2 | well you seem to have expenses already | 20:32 |
| bkerensa | right now when I get CD's from Canonical any left overs I give to our loco members and try and get them all out strategically so they end up in all the various parts of the state | 20:33 |
| bkerensa | we do most of our events in Portland since its where the bulk of our members are and where the bulk of the state population is | 20:33 |
| bkerensa | :) | 20:33 |
| bkerensa | this one city is like 80%+ of the states population | 20:34 |
| bkerensa | :D | 20:34 |
| pleia2 | the CDs weren't really my point | 20:34 |
| pleia2 | they are our only real expense, I was using them as an example of an expense | 20:34 |
| pleia2 | you have other expenses, collecting a few bucks at a booth can help with that | 20:34 |
| bkerensa | well the expenses... I see it like make a donation to charity or to Mozilla etc but instead into the Ubuntu Ecosystem :D | 20:34 |
| bkerensa | me and my fiancee donate to mozilla each year so I like doing it | 20:35 |
| bkerensa | :D | 20:35 |
| bkerensa | I like to see people engaged locally and enjoying Ubuntu and our community | 20:35 |
| pleia2 | I was really just speaking to your frequent mention that "you pay for everything" and trying to make suggestions | 20:35 |
| bkerensa | yeah | 20:35 |
| philipballew | Does a telnet session need root privileges? | 20:36 |
| bkerensa | I will definitely be doing a jar soon no doubt though :) | 20:36 |
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| * kdub got his dyndns working this weekend, may as well switch from the web client to irssi on the home box :) | 20:59 | |
| philipballew | irssi is really nice for a home box | 21:00 |
| kdub | and if you can ssh into a home box from anywhere, its even better | 21:01 |
| bkerensa | I wish my Belkin N900 DB supported anything other than just DynDNS .... Ping O matic would be nice | 21:01 |
| bkerensa | I think the only good things about this router are its Self Healing, Intellistream Packet Shaping, Dual Band and Eco Conserve Settings | 21:03 |
| philipballew | telnet is lame.. my work is making me use it today | 21:14 |
| nhaines | It's (mostly) fine over a VPN. | 21:25 |
| nhaines | But SSH is pretty much universally better for non-trivial uses. | 21:25 |
| philipballew | yeah, they dont see a need to install telnet on the server. Its not my server to have hacked I guess | 21:26 |
| Ttech | Well! | 22:15 |
| Ttech | Hello everyone. | 22:15 |
| DonkeyHotei | hi | 22:15 |
| DonkeyHotei | philipballew: are you in sac now? | 22:16 |
| philipballew | not currently. Was last week. but will be in like three weeks | 22:18 |
| philipballew | had to come here for some work and school | 22:18 |
| philipballew | to sd | 22:18 |
| DonkeyHotei | i may be leaving here for good within a week | 22:18 |
| DonkeyHotei | idk yet for sure | 22:18 |
| philipballew | where to DonkeyHotei | 22:20 |
| DonkeyHotei | i'll be "technically" homeless, but staying in SF | 22:20 |
| DonkeyHotei | details still sketchy | 22:21 |
| philipballew | vagabond. I like it | 22:21 |
| DonkeyHotei | heh | 22:22 |
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