[01:32] <pleia2> on my way home from palo alto, should be home around meeting time
[01:33] <akk> Then you have to tell us about your new toy!
[02:04]  * eps tiptoes to the center of the channel
[02:05] <eps> WAKE UP!!!
[02:06] <jbermudes> sheeple?
[02:06] <eps> Let me guess ... they forgot to set their clocks ahead an hour
[02:08] <pleia2> hello!
[02:08] <pleia2> eps: I was on my way home ;)
[02:08] <pleia2> took a bit longer coming back than expected
[02:08] <pleia2> so, who all is here for the meeting?
[02:10] <eps> I suspect we'll wrap this up while it's still light outside.
[02:10] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12March11
[02:10] <pleia2> nothing really on the agenda
[02:10] <pleia2> MarkDude, grantbow, you guys around? any words of wisdom or encouragement following the walnut creek global jam? :)
[02:11] <pleia2> broder ended up showing up at a coffee shop in SF last Saturday and casually inviting people out for informal jamming, I went, as did my pangolin: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6950454233
[02:12] <MarkDude> Jonopaloooza rocked
[02:12] <pleia2> :)
[02:13] <pleia2> ok, as far as upcoming stuff, looks like just the Ubuntu Hour in SF this week: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/1580/detail/
[02:14] <pleia2> and iheartubuntu has been working on our Gaming Night wiki page, he's added a bunch of games! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/GameNights
[02:14] <pleia2> akk, iheartubuntu and myself tested out PyScrabble the other day, was fun
[02:16] <pleia2> ah, beta1 came out on march 1st: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000899.html
[02:17] <pleia2> probably a bit too early to start talking release parties :)
[02:17] <pleia2> anyone have anything they'd like to share?
[02:18] <eps> Any UDS-Q news?
[02:18] <pleia2> no news really, we started putting together a page of ideas here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q
[02:19] <pleia2> and yes, I know they said registration would open March 9th, but it hasn't yet
[02:19] <pleia2> hopefully tomorrow :)
[02:19] <akk> Got a 10.10 CD in my swag bag at PyCon a few days ago.
[02:19] <akk> er, guess that would be 11.10
[02:20] <pleia2> neat, canonical was a sponsor so I assume that's where those came from :)
[02:21] <jyo> Gotta get rid of those 11.10 CDs somehow.
[02:22] <pleia2> alright, anything else?
[02:25] <pleia2> ok, I think that's a wrap then, thanks everyone :)
[02:26] <pleia2> http://www.frys.com/product/6973897 is the new toy!
[02:27] <pleia2> I've been looking for a supercheap system for a while to do testing and whatnot on that had virtualization so it could actually be useful beyond that too
[02:28] <akk> Cool... how well does linux work with those new integrated AMD/Radeons?
[02:28] <akk> (probably too early to be asking that, unless someone else knows)
[02:29] <pleia2> yeah, too early for me to tell :)
[02:29] <pleia2> https://friendly.ubuntu.com/11.10/LENOVO/Lenovo%20G575/A:Fep:KHe:BEG:DpW:B9ip:h:B5G:DOn:B9i/
[02:29] <pleia2> so it does at least work!
[02:33] <bkerensa> pleia2: We finally got a proper logo :) https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-or/+junk/logos/view/head:/ubuntu-us-or_generic.svg
[02:33] <bkerensa> Hope to have our banner printed before release party :)
[02:34] <pleia2> nice :)
[02:34] <akk> funny, launchpad doesn't offer a "view" option, just the svg source.
[02:35] <bkerensa> luckily we have someone who is good with the gimp :D
[02:35] <bkerensa> akk: yeah ikr :(
[02:35]  * pleia2 actually loads up Windows 7 first
[02:35] <akk> I tried clicking download then using my "view in browser" extension, but firefox said it contained errors and it couldn't show it.
[02:35] <pleia2> (to make sure the computer works!)
[02:36] <bkerensa> I think our LoCo will also soon have a 1U server colocated locally so we can host our own website and then also have a bunch of VPS instances for doing packaging work
[02:36] <eps> I was able to open it in Firefox after downloading.
[02:37] <pleia2> this keyboard has a numberpad, I was in love at first sight
[02:37] <akk> Ah, open in browser as "server sent mime" rather than "image" opened it.
[02:38] <pleia2> I see Windows figured out transparency
[02:38] <bkerensa> pleia2: When a laptop has special keys that are meant to launch windows apps and such is there any way to map those keys to do something on Ubuntu?
[02:38] <pleia2> (I haven't used it since XP at my accounting job)
[02:38] <eps> bkerensa: yes
[02:38] <akk> bkerensa: yes, but sometimes it's easy, sometimes hard depending on the keyboard.
[02:38] <pleia2> bkerensa: yeah, the program "xv" can typically tell you what key code is when you press it
[02:38] <pleia2> then usually can map it from there
[02:38] <akk> xev
[02:38] <bkerensa> nice
[02:38] <pleia2> ah, that's it
[02:38] <akk> xv is an ancient image viewer :)
[02:38] <pleia2> right :)
[02:39] <pleia2> I haven't done it in ages though, my regular keyboard doesn't have such keys and my netbook keys all worked OTB
[02:39] <akk> but some "multimedia" keys don't show up in xev, and then it gets harder -- you have to map them first or get them through acpi.
[02:40] <akk> I need to write a script to map my mute key to one of these days.
[02:40]  * pleia2 turns off Windows
[02:40] <pleia2> it has gotten prettier anyway
[02:41] <akk> And I want to map F-F8 to something that pops up a dialog saying "So you didn't believe Akkana when she told you this key isn't mapped, huh?"
[02:41] <akk> for when people tell me what key to press on my own laptop to talk to a projector :)
[02:42] <bkerensa> xev is not a very pretty app
[02:42] <bkerensa> :P
[02:42] <pleia2> lol
[02:42] <akk> No, not at all.
[02:42] <bkerensa> in fact I'm somewhat stumped as to how to figure out what data is important that it sends to terminal
[02:42] <akk> It's also a pain because ending it causes a flood of additional events and you have to scroll back and find the ones you really wanted.
[02:43] <akk> bkerensa: Watch the output while you press and release the key you care about.
[02:43] <akk> (then try to remember that, and scroll back to it after you exit)
[02:44] <bkerensa> I just did xev | pastebinit and mashed the keys I want to map a few times
[02:44] <bkerensa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/879810/
[02:44] <bkerensa> thats what it came up with
[02:44] <bkerensa> :D
[02:44] <akk> bkerensa: The only part that matters is the couple of lines that happened when you were pressing and releasing the specific key you're trying to map.
[02:46] <bkerensa> akk: well I press the button one time and kill xev and it does a lot of lines http://paste.ubuntu.com/879813/
[02:46] <bkerensa> thats one press of a single button and then killall xev
[02:48] <akk> bkerensa: That's why I said "watch the output WHILE you press the button"
[02:48] <akk> and remember where it was, so you can scroll back to it after you exit xev.
[02:49] <akk> press, some lines come out
[02:49] <akk> release, some lines come out
[02:49] <bkerensa> akk: Its hard to because when I press the button it launches the unity files lenses
[02:49] <bkerensa> :D
[02:49] <bkerensa> which blocks terminal
[02:49] <bkerensa> :D
[02:49] <akk> ugh
[02:49] <akk> no way to tell unity not to do that, or to move the terminal somewhere else?
[02:49] <bkerensa> for some reason its mapped to unity-files-lenses
[02:49] <bkerensa> akk: Hmm I could try to alt-tab
[02:50] <bkerensa> let me see
[02:50] <akk> alt-tab would add more event lines, but maybe you could tell which ones they were 'cause they'd have Tab in them.
[02:51] <akk> Or ... is unity-files-lenses the name of the executable?
[02:51] <akk> You could temporarily sudo chmod 000 /usr/bin/unity-files-lenses (or whatever)
[02:51] <akk> so it can't run
[02:51] <akk> then chmod it back to 755 afterward if you want it back.
[02:52] <bkerensa> akk: this seems to be the right one http://paste.ubuntu.com/879820/
[03:02] <akk> bkerensa: Generally you're looking for KeyPress and KeyRelease events.
[03:02] <bkerensa> oh
[03:02] <bkerensa> ok
[03:03] <akk> If you're not seeing any of those when you press the key, than it might be that unity or something is grabbing it before it even gets to X.
[04:45] <philipballew> meeting go well?
[04:46] <pleia2> yep, wasn't long :)
[04:48] <philipballew> great! glad to hear all id good.
[04:49] <philipballew> *is
[14:18] <bkerensa> good morning philipballew
[14:26] <bkerensa> philipballew, pleia2: looks like that got resolved pretty easily
[14:56] <philipballew> looks good bkerensa
[16:48] <jtatum2> am i the only one getting repeatedly killed for "excess flood"?
[16:52] <jtatum2> going to shut down my bouncer until this is sorted
[16:54] <pleia2> jtatum2: connecting to too many channels?
[16:56] <jtatum2> perhaps, pleia2
[17:08] <bkerensa> philipballew: I will be in Oakland the morning of the 12th
[17:10] <philipballew> bkerensa, you mean the seventh?
[17:10] <philipballew> or sixth?
[17:11] <bkerensa> philipballew: Ahh yes... I will be Oakland at 8:42am on the 6th and will headback at 9:52pm on the 12th
[17:11] <bkerensa> :D
[17:11] <bkerensa> I just got my tickets
[17:12] <philipballew> nice! flying or training?
[17:12] <bkerensa> philipballew: Train
[17:12] <bkerensa> :D
[17:12]  * philipballew is unsure if training is used right here
[17:12] <bkerensa> Which saved Canonical nearly $100
[17:12] <akk> Train was actually cheaper than flying?
[17:13] <bkerensa> although he asked he I would require a room on the train and I was like dont they just have a seat?
[17:13] <philipballew> I will be taking the train as well. I think that Flying from Sacramento to Oakland is not very productive.
[17:13] <bkerensa> maybe I should have asked for the room :P
[17:13] <bkerensa> but I will likely just take a brief nap when I get in to Oakland
[17:13] <bkerensa> and periodically doze through the night
[17:14] <bkerensa> philipballew: Uhh yeah that sounds not so fun... Doesnt Caltain go From Sac to SF?
[17:14] <bkerensa> then you could just take the Bart from Embarcadero to Oakland
[17:14] <akk> There's a train but I don't think it's Caltrain.
[17:14] <akk> Amtrack?
[17:14] <bkerensa> oh thats right its the Amtrak Capitol something something
[17:15] <philipballew> no, the placer county commuter express bus does, but thats not on sundays.
[17:15] <philipballew> public transit on sundays is hard
[17:15] <bkerensa> philipballew: the travel agency guy has a thick british accent
[17:16] <philipballew> I need to get one of those.
[17:16] <bkerensa> philipballew: Amtrak has 10 trains leaving Sac to Oakland on Sunday
[17:16] <bkerensa> better then my single option of one train :P
[17:17] <philipballew> yeah, well technically I could leave from Auburn. thats the town I'll be in. The station is say 2 miles from the house there. Sac is nice as is auburn because the cross counrty train comes through pretty often
[17:18] <philipballew> I should probably do JL square?
[17:19] <philipballew> I should be able to get my return ticket to a different location.
[17:20] <philipballew> gotta travel up to Napa to visit my 84 year old Grandmother. Figured at that age I should visit when I am in the area.
[17:21] <philipballew> the train is 3 hours, but the Amtrak bus is only two hours.
[17:22] <bkerensa> philipballew: my understanding and from google maps is that both hotels are really close to JL square
[17:22] <bkerensa> I plan on even walking from JL square to the hotel unless google maps is lying
[17:23] <philipballew> Im gonna have my bike so I can ride from there to the square towing my suitcase. Like Neapolitan Dynamite towing Kip into town
[17:23] <bkerensa> https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Amtrak+near+Jack+London+Square,+Oakland,+CA&daddr=Marriott-City+Center,+Broadway,+Oakland,+CA&hl=en&sll=45.525427,-122.583534&sspn=0.008358,0.021136&geocode=FS22QAIdUTS2-ClhEAnqx4CPgDHOk0yw_fVwNA%3BFd7QQAIdf0O2-CE43JGc1ULXAinNLkfPtoCPgDEfXi_9bHLTkw&oq=Marriott+City+Center&mra=ls&t=h&z=16
[17:23] <bkerensa> should be about a 10 minute walk
[17:23] <bkerensa> :D
[17:23] <philipballew> easy!
[17:23] <bkerensa> tow a luggage?
[17:23] <bkerensa> lol
[17:24] <philipballew> the luggage has wheels
[17:24] <philipballew> it could work
[17:25] <philipballew> bit it will most likely end in horrible disaster
[17:27] <akk> I saw a guy last week mountain biking up Mission Peak with a dog running along on a (short) leash.
[17:27] <akk> If the dog survived that, I guess wheeled luggage could survive a few blocks.
[17:27] <philipballew> that can be a very bad idea
[17:27] <akk> Yeah, I wouldn't have done it (maybe with a really long leash).
[17:28] <akk> The dog looked like it was enjoying itself at least right then.
[17:28] <philipballew> i had a friend do that. the dog ran quickly and made her crash and tore her ligament on her front gear sprocket.
[17:28] <nhaines> Dogs like running.
[17:28] <akk> I wonder what they do on downhills (short-legged dog, bulldog type)
[17:28] <kdub> morning channel!
[17:28] <philipballew> dogs like fetching
[17:28] <philipballew> Hey kdub
[17:28] <kdub> <i'll likely be heading up for UDS as well>
[17:29] <philipballew> I got approved last week so ill be there as well
[17:29] <pleia2> btw, registration did finally open: http://uds.ubuntu.com/register/
[17:30] <pleia2> (and as a reminder, anyone can go, the "approvals" people talk about are for paid sponsorships for travel and hotel, the event is free to attend if you can get there on your own)
[17:30] <philipballew> Ill be packing heat again this conference, as well it is Oakland.
[17:30] <philipballew> I will rent out the floor on my hotel room for 20 a night. 50 and you can have my bed and I take the floor.
[17:31] <philipballew> 100 and I leave the room completely
[17:58] <kdub> havent decided how i'll get up there yet, worse case scenario is a 7h drive :P
[17:58] <kdub> we're lucky its in-state this time at least!
[17:59] <akk> I do the drive for SCALE ... nice to have a car once I'm there
[17:59] <akk> though for Oakland it's not quite so important, I guess.
[18:00] <bkerensa> akk: will u be at UDS?
[18:01] <philipballew> i drove that drive yesterday kdub Its doable, just nothing good to look at but cows
[18:01] <akk> bkerensa: I'll be there, for sure.
[18:01] <bkerensa> coolbeans
[20:10] <bkerensa> pleia2: does California have any regular brochures or flyers that it produces to distribute in the community at libraries/schools or even events?
[20:11] <bkerensa> I have been looking through SpreadUbuntu and cant say that there are any that might currently be up to date
[20:12] <pleia2> bkerensa: we've handed out the ones from berkeleylug.com, but they need to be updated too :(
[20:12] <pleia2> http://www.berkeleylug.com/?page_id=2
[20:12] <pleia2> they make the source available though, I'm sure they'd be happy to have fixes :)
[20:13] <bkerensa> pleia2: Do you guys have a cost effective method for printing? I usually am paying all loco costs that are not sponsored out of pocket so Im thinking kinkos likely is cheapest for mass production?
[20:13] <bkerensa> printing on my home printer has become to costly
[20:13] <bkerensa> :D
[20:13] <bkerensa> especially since costco wont refill my cartridges :(
[20:16] <pleia2> AFAIK berkeleylug accepts donations to get them printed at a cheap printing shop nearby
[20:16] <pleia2> actually
[20:16] <pleia2> I think they get them done at vistaprint
[20:16] <bkerensa> ahh
[20:16] <bkerensa> :D
[20:16] <pleia2> 50 for $15
[20:16] <pleia2> and they have sales all the time
[20:17] <pleia2> actually, that was for a different product
[20:17] <pleia2> anyway, vistaprint is pretty cheap as these things go
[20:19] <pleia2> and if you order from them once, they'll send you billions of deals every day until the end of time
[20:19] <pleia2> (I might be slightly exaggerating)
[20:21] <bkerensa> I kind of wish these were updated
[20:21] <bkerensa> http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/spreadubuntu/DIY%20Material/DIY-at-home/Ubuntu_Leaflet/
[20:21] <bkerensa> :(
[20:22]  * bkerensa wonders what happened to ubuntu-marketing
[20:22] <pleia2> every 6 months someone decides they want to be the leader (or spins off their own project like ubuntu-adverts) and nothing happens
[20:23] <pleia2> spreadubuntu has been the only really successful marketing thing the community has done, and that's because someone decided to Just Do It
[20:23] <pleia2> we do need to encourage more people to use it all the time though
[20:24] <bkerensa> pleia2: Has Canonical supported the ubuntu-marketing team in the past?
[20:24] <pleia2> no
[20:24] <bkerensa> =S
[20:25] <pleia2> canonical has nothing to do with the community side of marketing, they have their own marketing department that only does canonical marketing for Ubuntu
[20:25] <bkerensa> pleia2: well they have an ad campaign on Google Ads and other ad networks right now that doesnt really push enterprise use at all
[20:25] <bkerensa> just simply a ad campaign for people to download Ubuntu for free because its "virus free"
[20:25] <pleia2> they used to create a one sheet of info about Ubuntu that they'd ship in conference packs, but it was never very good (typos even), they didn't give us the source, and it was completely a waste for non-english teams
[20:26] <pleia2> so we told them to not bother
[20:26] <bkerensa> :D
[20:26] <pleia2> "we" - a session at UDS discussing the useful (or not) stuff in the conference packs
[20:27] <bkerensa> pleia2: Where do old release CD's end up?
[20:27] <bkerensa> is there a CD graveyard Canonical owns?
[20:27] <bkerensa> :d
[20:27] <pleia2> out of that session came the banners and tablecloths for approved teams though :)
[20:27] <bkerensa> nice
[20:27] <pleia2> afaik they try to ship them out to conferences
[20:27] <pleia2> pycon got a bunch
[20:27] <bkerensa> if your loco is approved I guess ;)
[20:28] <pleia2> they don't keep them around though, except LTS
[20:28] <bkerensa> hence why we are funding our own table cloth and banner :P
[20:28] <pleia2> we bought our own banner too (another berkeleylug hookup)
[20:28] <bkerensa> yeah you guys have a nice one
[20:29] <bkerensa> technically we have a company sponsoring our banner but if they do not come through Im just gonna buy it
[20:30] <bkerensa> pleia2: Aside from Canonical folk and Ubuntu Contributors is there any other companies or vendors at UDS that work with Ubuntu?
[20:30] <pleia2> do you put donate jars out at you rbooths?
[20:30] <pleia2> UDS isn't really a vendor thing, there aren't booths or anything
[20:31] <bkerensa> pleia2: No I dont really want to deal with money in that manner for transparency purposes and also because it pushes on the fine line of being a Social Club which could require us to incorporate
[20:31] <bkerensa> =/
[20:31] <bkerensa> I would rather just have companies who have FOSS products and services sponsor things for us
[20:31] <pleia2> we put one out, never made more than $40 at an event (usually more like $3) so it doesn't really cause problems tax wise
[20:31] <bkerensa> and have it billed directly to them
[20:32] <pleia2> some people like giving a $1 here and there for a CD
[20:32] <pleia2> it helps a little, makes us able to ship CDs across the state each cycle
[20:32] <bkerensa> yeah when we get approved and have a higher volume of CD's to get out then I can see possibly doing that to cover shipping
[20:32] <pleia2> well you seem to have expenses already
[20:33] <bkerensa> right now when I get CD's from Canonical any left overs I give to our loco members and try and get them all out strategically so they end up in all the various parts of the state
[20:33] <bkerensa> we do most of our events in Portland since its where the bulk of our members are and where the bulk of the state population is
[20:33] <bkerensa> :)
[20:34] <bkerensa> this one city is like 80%+ of the states population
[20:34] <bkerensa> :D
[20:34] <pleia2> the CDs weren't really my point
[20:34] <pleia2> they are our only real expense, I was using them as an example of an expense
[20:34] <pleia2> you have other expenses, collecting a few bucks at a booth can help with that
[20:34] <bkerensa> well the expenses... I see it like make a donation to charity or to Mozilla etc but instead into the Ubuntu Ecosystem :D
[20:35] <bkerensa> me and my fiancee donate to mozilla each year so I like doing it
[20:35] <bkerensa> :D
[20:35] <bkerensa> I like to see people engaged locally and enjoying Ubuntu and our community
[20:35] <pleia2> I was really just speaking to your frequent mention that "you pay for everything" and trying to make suggestions
[20:35] <bkerensa> yeah
[20:36] <philipballew> Does a telnet session need root privileges?
[20:36] <bkerensa> I will definitely be doing a jar soon no doubt though :)
[20:59]  * kdub got his dyndns working this weekend, may as well switch from the web client to irssi on the home box :)
[21:00] <philipballew> irssi is really nice for a home box
[21:01] <kdub> and if you can ssh into a home box from anywhere, its even better
[21:01] <bkerensa> I wish my Belkin N900 DB supported anything other than just DynDNS .... Ping O matic would be nice
[21:03] <bkerensa> I think the only good things about this router are its Self Healing, Intellistream Packet Shaping, Dual Band and Eco Conserve Settings
[21:14] <philipballew> telnet is lame.. my work is making me use it today
[21:25] <nhaines> It's (mostly) fine over a VPN.
[21:25] <nhaines> But SSH is pretty much universally better for non-trivial uses.
[21:26] <philipballew> yeah, they dont see a need to install telnet on the server. Its not my server to have hacked I guess
[22:15] <Ttech> Well!
[22:15] <Ttech> Hello everyone.
[22:15] <DonkeyHotei> hi
[22:16] <DonkeyHotei> philipballew: are you in sac now?
[22:18] <philipballew> not currently. Was last week. but will be in like three weeks
[22:18] <philipballew> had to come here for some work and school
[22:18] <philipballew> to sd
[22:18] <DonkeyHotei> i may be leaving here for good within a week
[22:18] <DonkeyHotei> idk yet for sure
[22:20] <philipballew> where to DonkeyHotei
[22:20] <DonkeyHotei> i'll be "technically" homeless, but staying in SF
[22:21] <DonkeyHotei> details still sketchy
[22:21] <philipballew> vagabond. I like it
[22:22] <DonkeyHotei> heh