[01:32] on my way home from palo alto, should be home around meeting time [01:33] Then you have to tell us about your new toy! [02:04] * eps tiptoes to the center of the channel [02:05] WAKE UP!!! [02:06] sheeple? [02:06] Let me guess ... they forgot to set their clocks ahead an hour [02:08] hello! [02:08] eps: I was on my way home ;) [02:08] took a bit longer coming back than expected [02:08] so, who all is here for the meeting? [02:10] I suspect we'll wrap this up while it's still light outside. [02:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12March11 [02:10] nothing really on the agenda [02:10] MarkDude, grantbow, you guys around? any words of wisdom or encouragement following the walnut creek global jam? :) [02:11] broder ended up showing up at a coffee shop in SF last Saturday and casually inviting people out for informal jamming, I went, as did my pangolin: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6950454233 [02:12] Jonopaloooza rocked [02:12] :) [02:13] ok, as far as upcoming stuff, looks like just the Ubuntu Hour in SF this week: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/1580/detail/ [02:14] and iheartubuntu has been working on our Gaming Night wiki page, he's added a bunch of games! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/GameNights [02:14] akk, iheartubuntu and myself tested out PyScrabble the other day, was fun [02:16] ah, beta1 came out on march 1st: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000899.html [02:17] probably a bit too early to start talking release parties :) [02:17] anyone have anything they'd like to share? [02:18] Any UDS-Q news? [02:18] no news really, we started putting together a page of ideas here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q [02:19] and yes, I know they said registration would open March 9th, but it hasn't yet [02:19] hopefully tomorrow :) [02:19] Got a 10.10 CD in my swag bag at PyCon a few days ago. [02:19] er, guess that would be 11.10 [02:20] neat, canonical was a sponsor so I assume that's where those came from :) [02:21] Gotta get rid of those 11.10 CDs somehow. [02:22] alright, anything else? [02:25] ok, I think that's a wrap then, thanks everyone :) [02:26] http://www.frys.com/product/6973897 is the new toy! [02:27] I've been looking for a supercheap system for a while to do testing and whatnot on that had virtualization so it could actually be useful beyond that too [02:28] Cool... how well does linux work with those new integrated AMD/Radeons? [02:28] (probably too early to be asking that, unless someone else knows) [02:29] yeah, too early for me to tell :) [02:29] https://friendly.ubuntu.com/11.10/LENOVO/Lenovo%20G575/A:Fep:KHe:BEG:DpW:B9ip:h:B5G:DOn:B9i/ [02:29] so it does at least work! [02:33] pleia2: We finally got a proper logo :) https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-or/+junk/logos/view/head:/ubuntu-us-or_generic.svg [02:33] Hope to have our banner printed before release party :) [02:34] nice :) [02:34] funny, launchpad doesn't offer a "view" option, just the svg source. [02:35] luckily we have someone who is good with the gimp :D [02:35] akk: yeah ikr :( [02:35] * pleia2 actually loads up Windows 7 first [02:35] I tried clicking download then using my "view in browser" extension, but firefox said it contained errors and it couldn't show it. [02:35] (to make sure the computer works!) [02:36] I think our LoCo will also soon have a 1U server colocated locally so we can host our own website and then also have a bunch of VPS instances for doing packaging work [02:36] I was able to open it in Firefox after downloading. [02:37] this keyboard has a numberpad, I was in love at first sight [02:37] Ah, open in browser as "server sent mime" rather than "image" opened it. [02:38] I see Windows figured out transparency [02:38] pleia2: When a laptop has special keys that are meant to launch windows apps and such is there any way to map those keys to do something on Ubuntu? [02:38] (I haven't used it since XP at my accounting job) [02:38] bkerensa: yes [02:38] bkerensa: yes, but sometimes it's easy, sometimes hard depending on the keyboard. [02:38] bkerensa: yeah, the program "xv" can typically tell you what key code is when you press it [02:38] then usually can map it from there [02:38] xev [02:38] nice [02:38] ah, that's it [02:38] xv is an ancient image viewer :) [02:38] right :) [02:39] I haven't done it in ages though, my regular keyboard doesn't have such keys and my netbook keys all worked OTB [02:39] but some "multimedia" keys don't show up in xev, and then it gets harder -- you have to map them first or get them through acpi. [02:40] I need to write a script to map my mute key to one of these days. [02:40] * pleia2 turns off Windows [02:40] it has gotten prettier anyway [02:41] And I want to map F-F8 to something that pops up a dialog saying "So you didn't believe Akkana when she told you this key isn't mapped, huh?" [02:41] for when people tell me what key to press on my own laptop to talk to a projector :) [02:42] xev is not a very pretty app [02:42] :P [02:42] lol [02:42] No, not at all. [02:42] in fact I'm somewhat stumped as to how to figure out what data is important that it sends to terminal [02:42] It's also a pain because ending it causes a flood of additional events and you have to scroll back and find the ones you really wanted. [02:43] bkerensa: Watch the output while you press and release the key you care about. [02:43] (then try to remember that, and scroll back to it after you exit) [02:44] I just did xev | pastebinit and mashed the keys I want to map a few times [02:44] http://paste.ubuntu.com/879810/ [02:44] thats what it came up with [02:44] :D [02:44] bkerensa: The only part that matters is the couple of lines that happened when you were pressing and releasing the specific key you're trying to map. [02:46] akk: well I press the button one time and kill xev and it does a lot of lines http://paste.ubuntu.com/879813/ [02:46] thats one press of a single button and then killall xev [02:48] bkerensa: That's why I said "watch the output WHILE you press the button" [02:48] and remember where it was, so you can scroll back to it after you exit xev. [02:49] press, some lines come out [02:49] release, some lines come out [02:49] akk: Its hard to because when I press the button it launches the unity files lenses [02:49] :D [02:49] which blocks terminal [02:49] :D [02:49] ugh [02:49] no way to tell unity not to do that, or to move the terminal somewhere else? [02:49] for some reason its mapped to unity-files-lenses [02:49] akk: Hmm I could try to alt-tab [02:50] let me see [02:50] alt-tab would add more event lines, but maybe you could tell which ones they were 'cause they'd have Tab in them. [02:51] Or ... is unity-files-lenses the name of the executable? [02:51] You could temporarily sudo chmod 000 /usr/bin/unity-files-lenses (or whatever) [02:51] so it can't run [02:51] then chmod it back to 755 afterward if you want it back. [02:52] akk: this seems to be the right one http://paste.ubuntu.com/879820/ [03:02] bkerensa: Generally you're looking for KeyPress and KeyRelease events. [03:02] oh [03:02] ok [03:03] If you're not seeing any of those when you press the key, than it might be that unity or something is grabbing it before it even gets to X. [04:45] meeting go well? [04:46] yep, wasn't long :) [04:48] great! glad to hear all id good. [04:49] *is [14:18] good morning philipballew [14:26] philipballew, pleia2: looks like that got resolved pretty easily [14:56] looks good bkerensa [16:48] am i the only one getting repeatedly killed for "excess flood"? [16:52] going to shut down my bouncer until this is sorted [16:54] jtatum2: connecting to too many channels? [16:56] perhaps, pleia2 [17:08] philipballew: I will be in Oakland the morning of the 12th [17:10] bkerensa, you mean the seventh? [17:10] or sixth? [17:11] philipballew: Ahh yes... I will be Oakland at 8:42am on the 6th and will headback at 9:52pm on the 12th [17:11] :D [17:11] I just got my tickets [17:12] nice! flying or training? [17:12] philipballew: Train [17:12] :D [17:12] * philipballew is unsure if training is used right here [17:12] Which saved Canonical nearly $100 [17:12] Train was actually cheaper than flying? [17:13] although he asked he I would require a room on the train and I was like dont they just have a seat? [17:13] I will be taking the train as well. I think that Flying from Sacramento to Oakland is not very productive. [17:13] maybe I should have asked for the room :P [17:13] but I will likely just take a brief nap when I get in to Oakland [17:13] and periodically doze through the night [17:14] philipballew: Uhh yeah that sounds not so fun... Doesnt Caltain go From Sac to SF? [17:14] then you could just take the Bart from Embarcadero to Oakland [17:14] There's a train but I don't think it's Caltrain. [17:14] Amtrack? [17:14] oh thats right its the Amtrak Capitol something something [17:15] no, the placer county commuter express bus does, but thats not on sundays. [17:15] public transit on sundays is hard [17:15] philipballew: the travel agency guy has a thick british accent [17:16] I need to get one of those. [17:16] philipballew: Amtrak has 10 trains leaving Sac to Oakland on Sunday [17:16] better then my single option of one train :P [17:17] yeah, well technically I could leave from Auburn. thats the town I'll be in. The station is say 2 miles from the house there. Sac is nice as is auburn because the cross counrty train comes through pretty often [17:18] I should probably do JL square? [17:19] I should be able to get my return ticket to a different location. [17:20] gotta travel up to Napa to visit my 84 year old Grandmother. Figured at that age I should visit when I am in the area. [17:21] the train is 3 hours, but the Amtrak bus is only two hours. [17:22] philipballew: my understanding and from google maps is that both hotels are really close to JL square [17:22] I plan on even walking from JL square to the hotel unless google maps is lying [17:23] Im gonna have my bike so I can ride from there to the square towing my suitcase. Like Neapolitan Dynamite towing Kip into town [17:23] https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Amtrak+near+Jack+London+Square,+Oakland,+CA&daddr=Marriott-City+Center,+Broadway,+Oakland,+CA&hl=en&sll=45.525427,-122.583534&sspn=0.008358,0.021136&geocode=FS22QAIdUTS2-ClhEAnqx4CPgDHOk0yw_fVwNA%3BFd7QQAIdf0O2-CE43JGc1ULXAinNLkfPtoCPgDEfXi_9bHLTkw&oq=Marriott+City+Center&mra=ls&t=h&z=16 [17:23] should be about a 10 minute walk [17:23] :D [17:23] easy! [17:23] tow a luggage? [17:23] lol [17:24] the luggage has wheels [17:24] it could work [17:25] bit it will most likely end in horrible disaster [17:27] I saw a guy last week mountain biking up Mission Peak with a dog running along on a (short) leash. [17:27] If the dog survived that, I guess wheeled luggage could survive a few blocks. [17:27] that can be a very bad idea [17:27] Yeah, I wouldn't have done it (maybe with a really long leash). [17:28] The dog looked like it was enjoying itself at least right then. [17:28] i had a friend do that. the dog ran quickly and made her crash and tore her ligament on her front gear sprocket. [17:28] Dogs like running. [17:28] I wonder what they do on downhills (short-legged dog, bulldog type) [17:28] morning channel! [17:28] dogs like fetching [17:28] Hey kdub [17:28] [17:29] I got approved last week so ill be there as well [17:29] btw, registration did finally open: http://uds.ubuntu.com/register/ [17:30] (and as a reminder, anyone can go, the "approvals" people talk about are for paid sponsorships for travel and hotel, the event is free to attend if you can get there on your own) [17:30] Ill be packing heat again this conference, as well it is Oakland. [17:30] I will rent out the floor on my hotel room for 20 a night. 50 and you can have my bed and I take the floor. [17:31] 100 and I leave the room completely [17:58] havent decided how i'll get up there yet, worse case scenario is a 7h drive :P [17:58] we're lucky its in-state this time at least! [17:59] I do the drive for SCALE ... nice to have a car once I'm there [17:59] though for Oakland it's not quite so important, I guess. [18:00] akk: will u be at UDS? [18:01] i drove that drive yesterday kdub Its doable, just nothing good to look at but cows [18:01] bkerensa: I'll be there, for sure. [18:01] coolbeans [20:10] pleia2: does California have any regular brochures or flyers that it produces to distribute in the community at libraries/schools or even events? [20:11] I have been looking through SpreadUbuntu and cant say that there are any that might currently be up to date [20:12] bkerensa: we've handed out the ones from berkeleylug.com, but they need to be updated too :( [20:12] http://www.berkeleylug.com/?page_id=2 [20:12] they make the source available though, I'm sure they'd be happy to have fixes :) [20:13] pleia2: Do you guys have a cost effective method for printing? I usually am paying all loco costs that are not sponsored out of pocket so Im thinking kinkos likely is cheapest for mass production? [20:13] printing on my home printer has become to costly [20:13] :D [20:13] especially since costco wont refill my cartridges :( [20:16] AFAIK berkeleylug accepts donations to get them printed at a cheap printing shop nearby [20:16] actually [20:16] I think they get them done at vistaprint [20:16] ahh [20:16] :D [20:16] 50 for $15 [20:16] and they have sales all the time [20:17] actually, that was for a different product [20:17] anyway, vistaprint is pretty cheap as these things go [20:19] and if you order from them once, they'll send you billions of deals every day until the end of time [20:19] (I might be slightly exaggerating) [20:21] I kind of wish these were updated [20:21] http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/spreadubuntu/DIY%20Material/DIY-at-home/Ubuntu_Leaflet/ [20:21] :( [20:22] * bkerensa wonders what happened to ubuntu-marketing [20:22] every 6 months someone decides they want to be the leader (or spins off their own project like ubuntu-adverts) and nothing happens [20:23] spreadubuntu has been the only really successful marketing thing the community has done, and that's because someone decided to Just Do It [20:23] we do need to encourage more people to use it all the time though [20:24] pleia2: Has Canonical supported the ubuntu-marketing team in the past? [20:24] no [20:24] =S [20:25] canonical has nothing to do with the community side of marketing, they have their own marketing department that only does canonical marketing for Ubuntu [20:25] pleia2: well they have an ad campaign on Google Ads and other ad networks right now that doesnt really push enterprise use at all [20:25] just simply a ad campaign for people to download Ubuntu for free because its "virus free" [20:25] they used to create a one sheet of info about Ubuntu that they'd ship in conference packs, but it was never very good (typos even), they didn't give us the source, and it was completely a waste for non-english teams [20:26] so we told them to not bother [20:26] :D [20:26] "we" - a session at UDS discussing the useful (or not) stuff in the conference packs [20:27] pleia2: Where do old release CD's end up? [20:27] is there a CD graveyard Canonical owns? [20:27] :d [20:27] out of that session came the banners and tablecloths for approved teams though :) [20:27] nice [20:27] afaik they try to ship them out to conferences [20:27] pycon got a bunch [20:27] if your loco is approved I guess ;) [20:28] they don't keep them around though, except LTS [20:28] hence why we are funding our own table cloth and banner :P [20:28] we bought our own banner too (another berkeleylug hookup) [20:28] yeah you guys have a nice one [20:29] technically we have a company sponsoring our banner but if they do not come through Im just gonna buy it [20:30] pleia2: Aside from Canonical folk and Ubuntu Contributors is there any other companies or vendors at UDS that work with Ubuntu? [20:30] do you put donate jars out at you rbooths? [20:30] UDS isn't really a vendor thing, there aren't booths or anything [20:31] pleia2: No I dont really want to deal with money in that manner for transparency purposes and also because it pushes on the fine line of being a Social Club which could require us to incorporate [20:31] =/ [20:31] I would rather just have companies who have FOSS products and services sponsor things for us [20:31] we put one out, never made more than $40 at an event (usually more like $3) so it doesn't really cause problems tax wise [20:31] and have it billed directly to them [20:32] some people like giving a $1 here and there for a CD [20:32] it helps a little, makes us able to ship CDs across the state each cycle [20:32] yeah when we get approved and have a higher volume of CD's to get out then I can see possibly doing that to cover shipping [20:32] well you seem to have expenses already [20:33] right now when I get CD's from Canonical any left overs I give to our loco members and try and get them all out strategically so they end up in all the various parts of the state [20:33] we do most of our events in Portland since its where the bulk of our members are and where the bulk of the state population is [20:33] :) [20:34] this one city is like 80%+ of the states population [20:34] :D [20:34] the CDs weren't really my point [20:34] they are our only real expense, I was using them as an example of an expense [20:34] you have other expenses, collecting a few bucks at a booth can help with that [20:34] well the expenses... I see it like make a donation to charity or to Mozilla etc but instead into the Ubuntu Ecosystem :D [20:35] me and my fiancee donate to mozilla each year so I like doing it [20:35] :D [20:35] I like to see people engaged locally and enjoying Ubuntu and our community [20:35] I was really just speaking to your frequent mention that "you pay for everything" and trying to make suggestions [20:35] yeah [20:36] Does a telnet session need root privileges? [20:36] I will definitely be doing a jar soon no doubt though :) === kdub_ is now known as kdub [20:59] * kdub got his dyndns working this weekend, may as well switch from the web client to irssi on the home box :) [21:00] irssi is really nice for a home box [21:01] and if you can ssh into a home box from anywhere, its even better [21:01] I wish my Belkin N900 DB supported anything other than just DynDNS .... Ping O matic would be nice [21:03] I think the only good things about this router are its Self Healing, Intellistream Packet Shaping, Dual Band and Eco Conserve Settings [21:14] telnet is lame.. my work is making me use it today [21:25] It's (mostly) fine over a VPN. [21:25] But SSH is pretty much universally better for non-trivial uses. [21:26] yeah, they dont see a need to install telnet on the server. Its not my server to have hacked I guess [22:15] Well! [22:15] Hello everyone. [22:15] hi [22:16] philipballew: are you in sac now? [22:18] not currently. Was last week. but will be in like three weeks [22:18] had to come here for some work and school [22:18] to sd [22:18] i may be leaving here for good within a week [22:18] idk yet for sure [22:20] where to DonkeyHotei [22:20] i'll be "technically" homeless, but staying in SF [22:21] details still sketchy [22:21] vagabond. I like it [22:22] heh === Ttech is now known as [__] === [__] is now known as Ttech