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| marcoceppi | HTTPS okay to avoid hash check? | 02:35 |
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| SpamapS | marcoceppi: as long as you are verifying the certificate | 03:03 |
| SpamapS | marcoceppi: which wget does by default | 03:03 |
| marcoceppi | what about git clone via GIT+SSH? | 03:03 |
| SpamapS | Would need to have the ssh server key in the charm. | 03:04 |
| SpamapS | But then, yes | 03:04 |
| marcoceppi | cool, cool | 03:04 |
| marcoceppi | thanks | 03:04 |
| SpamapS | as long as you have a high degree of confidence that the content is the content you intended | 03:04 |
| marcoceppi | Like my highschool self, I'm low on confidence :) | 03:05 |
| SpamapS | marcoceppi: interesting .. who owns the S3 bucket MinecraftDownload ? | 03:06 |
| marcoceppi | That's Mojang's official bucket | 03:06 |
| SpamapS | marcoceppi: ok, so if they ever deleted it, could someone else pwn it? | 03:06 |
| SpamapS | marcoceppi: I think thats just "something to look out for" and not a reason to be worried | 03:07 |
| marcoceppi | SpamapS: that's a good question though, I'm not sure | 03:07 |
| marcoceppi | I'll try that out with my personal vs work AWS accounts, see if names are locked in forever or not | 03:08 |
| SpamapS | marcoceppi: seems like they should be mutable if you can delete them | 03:09 |
| marcoceppi | Would make sense | 03:09 |
| SpamapS | marcoceppi: reviewed proposed change | 03:13 |
| marcoceppi | SpamapS: thanks! I understand calling stop and start, but why install? Should I have the check in install to see if it's been "installed" before there? | 03:14 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, are you in santa clara? | 03:14 |
| * hazmat is as well | 03:14 | |
| SpamapS | hazmat: haha yes | 03:22 |
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| SpamapS | hazmat: actually I'm at the SJC airport | 03:22 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: didn't realize pycon was here as well, or I'd have tried to get in touch w/ you guys | 03:22 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: I did bump into some canonical peeps at the hyatt before realizing charm school was at the hilton across the street. ;) | 03:22 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, wanna come over, we're all hanging out sprinting | 03:23 |
| hazmat | i'm sitting next to barryW | 03:23 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: I'm in the airport. Depart in 1hr. :-P | 03:47 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: just dropped in for a commando attack on the juju users of silicon valley :) | 03:48 |
| marcoceppi | If I'm updating a charm, and there's no copyright file, should I throw one in there? | 03:49 |
| * marcoceppi is not a lawyer | 03:49 | |
| SpamapS | marcoceppi: do you know for sure the license and copyright status of all the files? | 03:50 |
| marcoceppi | The only files are the hooks and core charm files | 03:50 |
| marcoceppi | none of them have copyright headers | 03:51 |
| SpamapS | marcoceppi: where did you get those files? | 03:53 |
| marcoceppi | heh, http://charms.kapilt.com/charms/oneiric/owncloud | 03:53 |
| SpamapS | well I-be-damned | 03:56 |
| marcoceppi | yes, yes you be :) | 03:56 |
| SpamapS | marcoceppi: can you open a bug in that charm and assign it to koolhead17 ? | 03:57 |
| marcoceppi | yeah | 03:57 |
| SpamapS | should not have been promulgated | 03:57 |
| SpamapS | anyway.. since I'm damned.. I think I"ll go get a mojo burger | 03:57 |
| * marcoceppi looks sternly at SpamapS for not being perfect | 03:57 | |
| * SpamapS looks hard a-stern .. | 03:58 | |
| marcoceppi | bug opened | 04:00 |
| marcoceppi | Going to head off, have a safe flight! | 04:00 |
| koolhead17|away | marcoceppi, hey there | 05:07 |
| koolhead17|away | hey SpamapS | 05:07 |
| _mup_ | Bug #953732 was filed: Destroying a maas environment results in a traceback <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/953732 > | 05:45 |
| === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan | ||
| === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away | ||
| === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan | ||
| === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away | ||
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| gary_poster | I'm getting the following error when I try to start a local charm: | 12:45 |
| gary_poster | 2012-03-13 08:44:12,459 INFO Searching for charm | 12:45 |
| gary_poster | Invalid value for cache: False | 12:45 |
| gary_poster | ...well, I'll google first... | 12:45 |
| gary_poster | Looks similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/952355 | 12:46 |
| _mup_ | Bug #952355: Backward incompatible change: existing env boolean values cause total failure <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/952355 > | 12:46 |
| marcoceppi | gary_poster: Which charm? | 12:46 |
| gary_poster | marcoceppi, buildbot-master (which we wrote) | 12:47 |
| gary_poster | looks like something to do with a config value not being a string? | 12:47 |
| jamespage | gary_poster, yep | 12:47 |
| gary_poster | ok, looking, thanks | 12:47 |
| jamespage | basically if juju thinks it might be a boolean it won't let the config value be string | 12:47 |
| gary_poster | :-/ | 12:48 |
| jamespage | I hit this in several of my charms when running against juju PPA | 12:48 |
| jamespage | its also annoying that juju will fail if ANY charm in your repository has this issue - not just the one you are trying to deploy... | 12:48 |
| jamespage | (that took me a while to figure out) | 12:48 |
| gary_poster | oof, wow. jamespage, is there an easy workaround for now? | 12:48 |
| marcoceppi | jamespage: Oh, that's weird | 12:48 |
| gary_poster | I mean, even in changing config | 12:48 |
| * gary_poster goes to look for explicit yaml string syntax, if there is such a thing | 12:49 | |
| jamespage | gary_poster, switch anything that has values 'True' or 'False' to type: boolean | 12:49 |
| jamespage | rather than string | 12:49 |
| jamespage | same applies to uncapitalized versions of those literals | 12:50 |
| jamespage | or don't use true/false | 12:51 |
| gary_poster | jamespage, ack, thank you. I don't think it's even in my charms--which charms did you find with the problem? | 12:53 |
| jamespage | gary_poster, cassandra had it but I've fixed that one | 12:53 |
| gary_poster | I suppose I could get rid of all the ones I don't currently use...and try to get newer versions of all of them | 12:54 |
| jamespage | gary_poster, might make sense for the time being | 12:54 |
| gary_poster | jamespage, ack, thanks again | 12:54 |
| jamespage | I'm hoping that we might get a fix to sort out backwards compat | 12:54 |
| jamespage | its a PITA | 12:54 |
| jamespage | gary_poster, np | 12:54 |
| gary_poster | agreed on PITA | 12:55 |
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| bbcmicrocomputer | jamespage: ah glad I just checked in here, was about to file a bug report for the same thing :) | 13:14 |
| jamespage | bbcmicrocomputer, :-) | 13:15 |
| jamespage | bbcmicrocomputer, both hadoop and hbase suffered from this change | 13:15 |
| jamespage | I've fixed both up for precise | 13:15 |
| bbcmicrocomputer | jamespage: ah cool, I'll pull down those updates then | 13:15 |
| bbcmicrocomputer | jamespage: looked to me like juju was just using the YAML parser and allowing it to coerce config objects to any type, hence not allowed boolean values as strings | 13:16 |
| niemeyer | Good mornings! | 13:42 |
| bbcmicrocomputer | niemeyer: morning | 13:47 |
| niemeyer | bbcmicrocomputer: Heya | 13:48 |
| marcoceppi | R | 14:09 |
| m_3 | marcoceppi: shouldn't that be 'R m8t3' for chat like a pirate day? | 14:48 |
| marcoceppi | m_3: I suppose... *rubs chin* | 15:18 |
| m_3 | marcoceppi: :) | 15:23 |
| SpamapS | m_3: my son was born on talk like a pirate day. Wife was not exactly in the spirit during labor.. but the nurses were all about swabbing the deck and hoisting the mainsail.. ;) | 15:37 |
| SpamapS | shiver me timbers, thar be a baby! | 15:37 |
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| marcoceppi | How can you tell which charms need review? It would appear almost all the new-charms are awaiting feedback from the authors | 15:46 |
| jcastro | marcoceppi, it should be new-charm | 15:49 |
| jcastro | https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bugs?field.tag=new-charm | 15:49 |
| marcoceppi | right, but they all seem to have been turned over | 15:49 |
| jcastro | check the in progress ones | 15:49 |
| marcoceppi | k | 15:49 |
| jcastro | incomplete means not ready | 15:49 |
| jcastro | oh dude, new. :) | 15:49 |
| SpamapS | we started on diaspora on the big screen yesterday, sort of a collaborative charm writing experience.. it went pretty well. | 15:50 |
| jcastro | marcoceppi, looks like Gearman is ready for review | 15:50 |
| SpamapS | and disaspora is.. nightmarish to setup | 15:50 |
| jcastro | it looked so not fun | 15:51 |
| SpamapS | negronjl said it felt a lot like cloudfoundry | 15:51 |
| m_3 | marcoceppi: new-charm tag _and_ status of "new" or "fix committed" | 15:53 |
| marcoceppi | m_3 jcastro thanks! | 15:53 |
| m_3 | SpamapS: yay! I totally wanna see diaspora working | 15:53 |
| SpamapS | m_3: 18 tons of ruby gems to install. :-( | 15:56 |
| SpamapS | I can't believe rubygems, pear, and pecl, don't use any kind of crypto to secure their downloads | 15:56 |
| m_3 | marcoceppi: been trying to keep it as a conversation... review and update status to incomplete or in progress... then they set status to fix committed for a nother round of review | 15:56 |
| m_3 | SpamapS: use bundler... there's a Gemfile | 15:57 |
| marcoceppi | m_3: makes sense, easy enough to track | 15:57 |
| SpamapS | m_3: bundler is what we used | 15:58 |
| m_3 | SpamapS: gem won't check certs on https sources? | 15:58 |
| SpamapS | m_3: gem doesn't use https | 15:58 |
| m_3 | rhuh? | 15:58 |
| SpamapS | it didn't last year when I was patching it for some other bugs and I got curious | 15:59 |
| m_3 | I'd have to look... thought most sources were specified via https github urls | 16:01 |
| SpamapS | m_3: and where does it get those source URLs? | 16:01 |
| m_3 | you can set that in the gemfile | 16:01 |
| m_3 | don't know for the "standard" rubygems.org gems tho | 16:02 |
| SpamapS | m_3: ok, so I'm more talking about when I type 'gem install foo' | 16:02 |
| m_3 | right... dunno for the stds | 16:02 |
| m_3 | how'd charmschoolsv go? | 16:03 |
| m_3 | how many peeps were working along -vs- osmoting? | 16:03 |
| negronjl | SpamapS, m_3: I'll keep working on diaspora. I'll commit the work soon. It's a pain in the neck but, I like a challenge :) | 16:04 |
| m_3 | negronjl: cool! | 16:05 |
| m_3 | negronjl: I'll try to drum up volunteers to maintain it going forward | 16:05 |
| negronjl | m_3: that would be great ! It's a complicated mess of gems, ruby packages and all other sorts of nonesense | 16:06 |
| SpamapS | so.. typical charm :) | 16:06 |
| m_3 | negronjl: yeah, hitting a ruby conf later this week... I'll try to drum up help | 16:07 |
| negronjl | m_3: nice! | 16:07 |
| m_3 | negronjl: were there lots of peeps writing stuff? | 16:11 |
| m_3 | negronjl: or was it mostly people wanting to customize/use existing charms? | 16:12 |
| negronjl | m_3: Some of the guys kept asking very intelligent questions ( outside of what we were talking about ) which tells me that they were already investigating the use of juju ( and charms ) for their own projects. | 16:12 |
| m_3 | negronjl: awesome | 16:12 |
| negronjl | m_3: We had some guys that were looking at the existing charms ( couchbase and cassandra come to mind ) to see how they can better the charm. | 16:12 |
| m_3 | dude, that's great | 16:13 |
| negronjl | m_3: The DataStax guy in particular was already looking for ways to make cassandra better .... that part was awesome! | 16:13 |
| m_3 | how'd we publicize this event? | 16:13 |
| m_3 | sounds like you had a great group of people show up | 16:13 |
| negronjl | m_3: Some of the business guys here sent email out to their customers ... that was it | 16:13 |
| m_3 | ok, gotcha | 16:14 |
| negronjl | m_3: indeed ... very smart and technical people. | 16:14 |
| m_3 | cool... thanks for the update | 16:14 |
| jcastro | SpamapS, are you guys back from travel? like should we have a linkup today? | 17:08 |
| SpamapS | jcastro: yeah it was a 1 day thing :) | 17:09 |
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| SpamapS | jcastro: I have a team call.. then need to catch up on email. So, probably 90min.. but then yeah I want to chat w/ you and Juan | 17:09 |
| jcastro | yeah whenevs | 17:09 |
| SpamapS | negronjl: can you join us from the land of barristas and lattes? | 17:09 |
| jcastro | just the usual charm team hang out, we'll snag mims | 17:09 |
| negronjl | SpamapS: here | 17:10 |
| negronjl | SpamapS: can you guys give me the Hangout URL ? | 17:10 |
| SpamapS | negronjl: when we start it.. 90 min | 17:11 |
| negronjl | SpamapS: yeah ... I jumped the gun there didn't I :/ | 17:11 |
| SpamapS | negronjl: perhaps try thinking about baseball.. | 17:13 |
| m_3 | ewww | 17:20 |
| jamespage | so how exactly does the new constraints stuff work? any good docs on usage yet? | 17:43 |
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| SpamapS | jamespage: I believe there's a spec | 17:44 |
| SpamapS | hm, not in the trees anywhere.. weird | 17:45 |
| jamespage | SpamapS, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju/juju/trunk/view/head:/docs/source/drafts/placement.rst | 17:45 |
| jamespage | ? | 17:45 |
| SpamapS | jamespage: actually yes | 17:47 |
| SpamapS | that does seem to mention it | 17:47 |
| SpamapS | though light on implementation details like how to use them | 17:47 |
| jamespage | SpamapS, agreed | 17:48 |
| SpamapS | jamespage: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=589386 | 17:50 |
| SpamapS | jamespage: even weirder than needing a restart.. | 17:50 |
| SpamapS | you need *two* reloads | 17:50 |
| * jamespage faceplants | 17:52 | |
| jamespage | why oh why oh why | 17:52 |
| SpamapS | jamespage: pretty odd. The recommended solution is to do 'restart' on initial install, and 'force-reload' on upgrades | 17:52 |
| SpamapS | I think I'll submit a patch for that to Debian and fix it in our packages once we get some clarity on 5.4.0 | 17:53 |
| jamespage | SpamapS, OK - sounds sensible | 17:53 |
| SpamapS | jcastro: G+? | 17:54 |
| SpamapS | negronjl: ? | 17:54 |
| SpamapS | m_3: ? | 17:54 |
| negronjl | SpamapS: here | 17:54 |
| SpamapS | actually let me reboot to see if I get my video back | 17:55 |
| jcastro | SpamapS, give me 5! | 17:55 |
| SpamapS | hrm.. | 18:03 |
| * SpamapS tries new kernel | 18:03 | |
| * SpamapS rejoices | 18:10 | |
| SpamapS | invites out | 18:10 |
| * SpamapS lurves audio hell | 18:13 | |
| SpamapS | jcastro: ?? | 18:20 |
| m_3 | SpamapS: in a meeting... | 18:34 |
| m_3 | SpamapS negronjl jcastro : damn... just tried to join | 18:51 |
| SpamapS | dohhhh haha | 18:52 |
| m_3 | miss anything | 18:52 |
| m_3 | ? | 18:52 |
| negronjl | m_3: too funny | 18:52 |
| SpamapS | jcastro did a triple lindy | 18:52 |
| negronjl | m_3: maybe we left 'cause we saw you trying to join | 18:52 |
| m_3 | we were hanging out talking about juju arm tests | 18:52 |
| m_3 | no way! | 18:52 |
| m_3 | I love the triple lindy | 18:52 |
| _mup_ | Bug #954350 was filed: juju bootstrap doesn't ensure zookeeper is installed <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/954350 > | 19:22 |
| === koolhead17|away is now known as koolhead11 | ||
| koolhead11 | SpamapS, marcoceppi if anyone can update the charm repo with my latest commit, i have added the copyright file!! :) | 19:32 |
| marcoceppi | koolhead11: I saw that! I've got an update that will put it in place | 19:32 |
| koolhead11 | marcoceppi, cool!! cheers!! | 19:33 |
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| === joshuaBRB is now known as tobin | ||
| hazmat | m_3, it feels like the timeout on the charmrunner service watching needs to be increased to account for the container creation | 21:08 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: hey, ... lxc-start-ephemeral.. why can't we use that in juju instead of lxc-start? | 21:09 |
| SpamapS | or rather, instead of lxc-clone+lxc-start ? | 21:09 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, we do lxc-clone | 21:09 |
| SpamapS | Right, ephemeral is now using overlayfs .. allowing all containers to share the same VFS cache | 21:09 |
| hazmat | on an ssd its pretty fast to get a new container for a new unit | 21:09 |
| SpamapS | not about speed | 21:10 |
| hazmat | the charmrunner is reusing the env, so the template container is still around | 21:10 |
| SpamapS | cache pressure is intense w/ 7 containers running | 21:10 |
| SpamapS | think .. laptop w/ 4GB of RAM.. spinning up openstack on that pushes it into swap. | 21:10 |
| hazmat | doc it hurts when i kick myself ;-0 | 21:11 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, is that overlay persistent? | 21:11 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: don't know. | 21:11 |
| SpamapS | perhaps? | 21:11 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: aufs was persistent.. so I presume overlayfs (which is supposed to be a replacement) is too | 21:11 |
| hazmat | i guess i should play around with it | 21:12 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: tho "lxc-start-ephemeral" suggests that the containers maybe are not. | 21:12 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: I wonder.. maybe we can mod lxc-clone to use it somehow | 21:13 |
| * SpamapS wonders why we're re-inventing schroot in lxc's tools | 21:13 | |
| hazmat | SpamapS, yeah.. its creating the overlay in /tmp | 21:13 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: ok, so in theory, we could just change our usage of 'lxc-clone' to just mount an overlayfs and copy the configs.. | 21:26 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: and then push that back upstream to lxc as '--overlayfs' eventually. | 21:27 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: one thing that sucks.. overlayfs still doesn't support inotify. :-P | 21:27 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, we could, but really that should be in the ephemeral script to take an overlaydir option | 21:28 |
| hazmat | and then we could just use it.. | 21:28 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: except then its not ephemeral :) | 21:28 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, the only reason its ephemeral is that the script is hardcoded to use a /tmp dir.. else it would be suitable.. but yeah.. point taken | 21:29 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: tho because the rootfs is a mount, and not static files on disk, we'd need a pre-start for the container that mounts it again.. I think | 21:29 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: or just accept that they are ephemeral make it an environment option | 21:30 |
| SpamapS | err.. "and" make it an option | 21:30 |
| koolhead11 | https://github.com/lg/murder is it possible to use it as charm? | 21:50 |
| SpamapS | koolhead11: yes it would be an awesome charm! | 21:51 |
| SpamapS | koolhead11: it might morph into a subordinate once that lands | 21:52 |
| koolhead11 | SpamapS, but how will/can we use it? | 21:52 |
| koolhead11 | i meant a used case kind :PO | 21:53 |
| SpamapS | koolhead11: probably two parts.. one charm for the tracker server, and then one as the client that distributes files. | 21:55 |
| SpamapS | koolhead11: dare to dream... if you have a use case.. charm it up.. otherwise.. perhaps leave it for somebody with practical need/experience to make it happen? | 21:55 |
| koolhead11 | SpamapS, shall i put it as whishlist/charm needed? | 21:56 |
| SpamapS | koolhead11: sure. :) | 22:34 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: thoughs on bug 952397 .. I saw that you picked it up.. | 22:39 |
| _mup_ | Bug #952397: Juju is forcing *ALL* charms in a repo to be perfect to be able to deploy *any* <juju:In Progress by hazmat> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/952397 > | 22:39 |
| SpamapS | thoughs or thoughts .. either is fine ;) | 22:39 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, yeah.. i need to fix up the exception hiearchy to prevent that from reoccuring.. the whole get_charm_from_path returning a charm error if its not a charm screws up the error catching logic to often | 22:40 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, i'm sprinting on mailman right now at pycon (conference day).. but i'll be back in the swing tomorrow | 22:41 |
| koolhead11 | SpamapS, https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/954535 | 22:41 |
| _mup_ | Bug #954535: Charm needed: murder <charm> <juju> <Juju Charms Collection:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/954535 > | 22:41 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: cool I figured it was just an error handling issue | 22:41 |
| SpamapS | koolhead11: thanks! | 22:42 |
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