[01:22] <itaylor57> !info ndiswapper
[01:24] <KM0201> lol
[01:24] <KM0201> i think someone is failing to update ubottu
[01:25] <itaylor57> KM0201, i am about take a wild plunge and install bsd and compile my own packages lol
[01:25] <KM0201> thats rough
[01:25] <bazhang> !find ndis
[01:26] <KM0201> i gave up on bsd after my trials and tribulations with freenas.... much happier w/ Linux
[01:26] <bazhang> !info ndisgtk
[01:27] <KM0201> ah thats it, i didn't name the trigger properly... cuz i'd already tried that, i think i put ndiswrapper-gtk
[01:28] <MCR1> Can it be that recent updates completely broke starting the ubuntu desktop on 12.04 or is it just me ?
[01:30] <itaylor57> MCR1, no problems here
[01:31] <MCR1> itaylor57: Did you make the recent update which also updated compiz ?
[01:32] <itaylor57> i have done all the updates avail to date
[01:33] <MCR1> ok thx 4 the answer - probably an incompatibility with one of my installed additions then...
[01:34] <MCR1> STRG+F1 still works, so...
[01:34] <MCR1> +ALT
[01:36] <MountainX> I'm looking for anyone who is using Kubuntu 12.04 with Firefox
[01:37] <snadge> thats nothing.. minecraft is broken on ubuntu 12.04
[01:37] <snadge> it generates an exception upon exit! zomg!
[01:37] <MountainX> on exit is better than on startup ;)
[01:37] <snadge> but it doesnt if you bypass LauncherFrame (the login screen) and run the minecraft client directly
[01:38] <snadge> it should still be fixed though ;)
[01:38] <snadge> but even more annoying is the 1 year old fglrx window decorator bug
[01:38] <snadge> that one *really* needs to be fixed.. its getting ridiculous now
[01:38] <MountainX> wait til you deal with bugs that haven't been fixed for 6 or more years
[01:39] <snadge> id just hang myself i think
[01:39] <MountainX> yeah it is depressing
[01:39] <snadge> or kill the package maintainers in a murderous rage.. one of the two :p
[01:39] <soaringsky> I just closed the last dapper bugtasks...
[01:40] <MountainX> haha
[01:40] <snadge> that must be the ubuntu way.. wait until the bugs get so old.. that they expire due to redundancy :p
[01:40] <soaringsky> yep
[01:40] <snadge> the people who reported the bugs.. are deceased.. or in a nursing home
[01:40] <snadge> :P
[01:40] <snadge> but they were teenagers when they reported them.. hehe
[01:40] <soaringsky> I closed 70ish bugs. only 1 was still a real bug
[01:41] <snadge> from dapper drake days? sheesh
[01:41] <soaringsky> rest were invalid, wontfix, or expired
[01:41] <snadge> wontfix is the best one :p
[01:41] <soaringsky> ubuntu has *thousands* of bugs that haven't been touched in years
[01:42] <snadge> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/770283
[01:42] <snadge> at least this one is status confirmed
[01:42] <MountainX> I seem to run into an inordinate number of those
[01:42] <snadge> and affects me and 70 other people :p
[01:42] <snadge> you can probably multiply that number by 100.. to work out the actual number of affected users
[01:42] <snadge> maybe even 1000
[01:43] <snadge> basically.. anybody who wants to use unity, with proprietary amd/ati driver
[01:43] <snadge> which is probably about 20-30% of all ubuntu users
[01:43] <MountainX> what's the issue with unity and ati drivers?
[01:43] <snadge> the window titles dont get updated
[01:43] <snadge> so every window looks like it has focus.. or doesnt
[01:44] <snadge> and when the title updates.. eg.. path.. filename of editor etc
[01:44] <MountainX> does it also cause problems with color rendering in the title bars? I think I saw that.
[01:44] <snadge> yes.. the mouseover the controls doesnt work.. because thats part of the window title
[01:45] <snadge> fortunately the radeon driver doesn't exhibit this problem.. but the radeon driver also sucks at playing minecraft
[01:45] <MountainX> My title bars were all screwed up before I switched to Kubuntu the other day. Now I have a whole new set of problems with Kubuntu.
[01:45] <snadge> are you using fglrx?
[01:45] <MountainX> yes
[01:45] <snadge> yeah.. when gnome 3 was first released, it didnt work with fglrx at all
[01:45] <MountainX> it's OK in Kubuntu
[01:46] <snadge> yeah apparently kwin is the least buggy... i wouldnt know, i use unity2d now
[01:46] <snadge> its hard to engage compiz/unity devs in resolving this issue
[01:46] <MountainX> it seems like getting support for Kubuntu is going to be much more difficult than for Ubuntu...
[01:47] <snadge> because they're all nvidia / intel / radeon driver fanbois.. and wont touch fglrx with a 50 foot pole
[01:47] <snadge> i'd just forget about it entirely
[01:47] <snadge> if you want to persist with KDE, discuss it with the upstream developers
[01:48] <snadge> ive been trying to engage with compiz devs regarding fglrx.. but because im using ubuntu.. they dont really want to know about it
[01:50] <MountainX> what's difference in radeon and fglrx?
[01:51] <snadge> the free driver lacks some features.. such as hardware video acceleration
[01:52] <snadge> the proprietary driver in general, performs better with 3d games.. not that there are many
[01:52] <snadge> it also has the catalyst control centre which allows you to customise more options
[01:52] <MountainX> fglrx is proprietary. so what is the radeon driver? I have never seen a radeon driver by that name for linux
[01:53] <snadge> it is open source.. and to be quite honest, has significantly caught up in functionality and performance to the proprietary driver
[01:53] <MountainX> I have the amdcccle with the fglrx driver
[01:53] <snadge> right.. the free driver obviously doesn't have that.. but its perfectly adequate for running compiz
[01:53] <snadge> and is even capable of running some high end 3d applications.. such as the unigine demo
[01:54] <MountainX> so you are calling the free driver "radeon"? Is that right? I'm just confused on the naming. All I know is that the fglrx driver is proprietary
[01:54] <snadge> right.. the free driver is called "radeon"
[01:54] <MountainX> ok
[01:54] <snadge> confusingly.. thats not the only one.. theres also a generic vesa driver, and some obsolete ones
[01:55] <MountainX> for me, the free driver won't save my multi-monitor settings. No way to save any monitor settings. So I had to go to the proprietary driver.
[01:55] <snadge> i *think* the latest radeon driver has support for hdmi audio.. but that may require very recent kernel version to work properly
[01:56] <MountainX> also, with the free driver, my monitors won't wake up after sleeping all night.
[01:56] <snadge> right, this is the problem.. if some of this missing functionality were implemented into the free driver.. then the proprietary driver would no longer be necessary.. everyones wet dream
[01:56] <snadge> then we could just mark these bugs as wontfix.. problem solved ;)
[01:59] <MountainX> I have some bad news for you snadge: you're in that area where you'll be seeing the same issues for the next 10 years
[01:59] <snadge> well a lot of progress has been made with the radeon driver.. to the point where its actually a legitimate question to ask why not use it
[01:59] <MountainX> I've been hearing that for 5 years already
[02:00] <MountainX> about various drivers
[02:00] <snadge> its getting harder to defend using the proprietary driver.. especially given some of these long standing issues that are getting zero attention
[02:00] <snadge> if anything.. you could say that its these bugs, that have improved the free driver significantly
[02:00] <snadge> look at nouveau as an example.. because nvidia's drivers are more than good enough for the majority of people.. nobody cares about the free driver ;)
[02:01] <MountainX> true
[02:01] <snadge> so the quality of the free and open driver, seems inversely proportional to the quality of the proprietary one.. hehe
[02:02] <snadge> so the solution is that nvidia should just completely screw up their proprietary drivers on linux.. to the point where they're practically unuseable ;)
[02:03] <snadge> or ubuntu should just stop shipping proprietary graphics drivers.. and make them extremely difficult to install :P
[02:09] <Daekdroom> The radeon opensource driver is only as good as it is because AMD pays people to work on it and releases documentation.
[02:09] <Daekdroom> All nvidia does to help nouveau is not sue them.
[02:09] <aljosa> any way i can get newer version of xorg? to be specific i need xinput2. it's kind of funny that current unreleased version is already old
[02:10] <aljosa> any ppa for 12.04 that has latest stable xorg software
[02:10] <aljosa> ?
[02:13] <Daekdroom> There is a ppa with the latest unstable xorg
[02:14] <soaringsky> xorg edgers. someone find the link please
[02:14] <Daekdroom> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[02:16] <soaringsky> Daekdroom: thx
[02:17] <aljosa> soaringsky, Daekdroom: thanks for info
[02:18] <Fudge> anyone experience a stop error when service console-setup restart is invoked
[02:39] <ajin> 12.04 runs on NETBOOK with Intel N2600 CPU and GMA 3600 ?
[02:41] <jalcine> ajin: Only one way to find out :P
[02:42] <soaringsky> ajin: ubuntu runs on just about everything. how well it works is another issue :)
[02:43] <ajin> yes, but I want it to run on my netbook perfectly
[02:43] <ajin> if only I can code, i'll do the job myself
[02:44] <soaringsky> ajin: 12.04 is still very unstable
[02:45] <soaringsky> ajin: but ubuntu usually works well on netbooks
[02:45] <bjsnider> snadge, explain why ubuntu should stop shipping proprietary graphics drivers
[02:47] <soaringsky> !philosophy | bjsnider
[02:47] <bjsnider> well, that's a compelling argument
[02:48] <soaringsky> bjsnider: we also cannot fix many issues with the proprietary drivers
[02:49] <ajin> It's better to figure out a best way to earn big money
[02:49] <Daekdroom> Ubuntu would fail to provide support for a lot of hardware if we went for all-free like Debian.
[02:49] <Daekdroom> Even the radeon opensource drivers need closed source components.
[02:49] <ajin> through open source
[02:50] <soaringsky> yes, community drivers are community maintained
[02:50] <bjsnider> Daekdroom, no but, at least they'd have their philosophy
[02:50] <soaringsky> and maintaining good video drivers is not easy
[02:50] <ajin> some drivers need to be closed
[02:51] <Daekdroom> Yeah. The hardware has to be crafted in a way that allows fully opensource working drivers.
[02:52] <Daekdroom> DRM and firmwares get in the way.
[02:52] <soaringsky> until we get rid of DRM, we cannot get rid of closed source
[02:53] <bjsnider> direct rendering manager?
[02:53] <Daekdroom> Nope.
[02:53] <Daekdroom> Digital Rights (something else I don't remember)
[02:53] <Daekdroom> Management, perhaps.
[02:53] <soaringsky> yes
[02:54] <Daekdroom> The thing is, the industry is not willing to drop DRM, so the best thing would be it working through a closed source library.
[02:54] <Daekdroom> (that wouldn't be necessary for the driver to work for anything else)
[02:55] <bjsnider> how is that any better than a proprietary driver?
[02:55] <Daekdroom> People would have a choice.
[02:55] <Daekdroom> And it wouldn't be a driver alternative as a whole.
[02:55] <Daekdroom> It'd only affect some features.
[02:58] <bjsnider> such as what?
[02:58] <Daekdroom> UVD2 support for Radeon cards.
[02:58] <Daekdroom> The code for the open source driver -might- never make it past legal review.
[02:58] <soaringsky> or Netflix/ hulu
[02:58] <bjsnider> what about opengl?
[02:59] <Daekdroom> There is the S3TC issue..
[02:59] <Daekdroom> It's part of the OpenGL specification, and it's not free.
[02:59] <Daekdroom> But it's possible to use an external library anyway.
[03:00] <Daekdroom> !info libtxc-dxtn0
[03:00] <Daekdroom> Which is not available in the repos.
[03:00] <jalcine> !info libxdo-dev
[03:02] <User_007> hello, i am stuck with bug 951407,
[03:02] <User_007> can you help me?
[03:03] <bjsnider> fix has been released
[03:04] <User_007> ok, but i done apt-get update and aptitude full-upgrade, and it still conflicts
[03:04] <bjsnider> it may not have gotten to your mirror yet
[03:04] <soaringsky> User_007: wait a few hours and try again
[03:04] <User_007> soaringsky, yeah i am doing that for a while
[03:08] <User_007> i think i solved using synaptic, thanks folks!
[03:57] <Mylenthes> what is the default font size
[03:57] <Mylenthes> I kinda screwed around in gnometweaktool
[03:57] <Mylenthes> now i forgot
[04:04] <aboSamoo1> Hi All, I upgraded ubuntu 11.10 to 12.04 and in the next reboot, lightdm crashed and I could not even reach tty*, any idea. My video driver is i915?
[04:05] <Mylenthes> aboSamoo1: Do you have the proprietary drivers installed?
[04:06] <aboSamoo1> aboSamoo1: I do not think so, how can I check? lsmod shows i915
[04:07] <aboSamoo1> Mylenthes: I do not think so, how can I check? lsmod shows i915
[04:08] <aboSamoo1> Mylenthes: I am not logged in recovery mode, you know where can I look for errors?
[04:08] <Mylenthes> So you are in unity 2d?
[04:08] <aboSamoo1> Mylenthes: no, i think I am using unity 3d
[04:09] <aboSamoo1> Mylenthes: now, I am using tty1 and irssi
[04:09] <Mylenthes> in tty1 do sudo service lightdm restart
[04:10] <Mylenthes> that will reset your lightdm, then on the logon screen youll see a little icon, select that and choose 2d
[04:11] <aboSamoo1> Mylenthes: I tried that, the problem the login screen does not show up, it seems the lightdm crashes before even giving such chance
[04:11] <dr_willis> try just.     startx
[04:12] <aboSamoo1> dr_willis: segmentation fault
[04:13] <dr_willis> eww.. not good
[04:15] <aboSamoo1> dr_willis: i restarted it after upgrade and it worked fine, then suddenly crashed and never showed the login page again. I feel there is something out there makes it crash, as some config file
[04:16] <dr_willis> it would be a nasty thing to do  a seg. fault
[04:17] <Mylenthes> you might need to completely reinstall ubuntu
[04:21] <aboSamoo1> Mylenthes: could reinstalling specific packages help?
[04:22] <Mylenthes> I have no clue, i shouldn't even be helping you. I just started ubuntu a week ago.
[04:22] <Mylenthes> it probably would help
[04:23] <aboSamoo1> Mylenthes: I am using ubuntu since 2007 and I still do not know
[04:25] <Mylenthes> lol
[04:25] <Mylenthes> you're going to have to wait for someone else to help
[04:25] <Mylenthes> wait how are you chatting right now?
[04:27] <aboSamoo1> Mylenthes: tty1+tmux+irssi
[04:28] <Mylenthes> oh
[04:29] <dr_willis> if startx is seg faulting.. thats kind of a nasty issue. may be hard to figure out whats going on. the logs may give a clue.
[04:35] <aboSamoo1> dr_willis: looking at the log, I can see the backtrace XIChangeDeviceProperty, evdev_drv.so ActivateDevice, config_init, InitInput
[04:39] <aboSamoo1> dr_willis: I fixed the problem, by unplugging my usb headphone from the laptop!!!
[04:40] <aboSamoo1> dr_willis: I am able to regenerate the crash by just plygging my usb headphone again! :)
[04:44] <dr_willis> weird.. as a test. try a window manager that does not use pulse audio. see if you can narrow down the crash
[05:11] <almoxarife> who else is seeing kmplayer start up crashing kmix?
[05:11] <almoxarife> I am getting it sporadicly
[06:38] <rye_> Hello, on current precise when server fails to boot on the first try, upon reboot group timer is not set up, therefore requiring to connect the keyboard to boot. Is it intended?
[06:38] <rye_> i mean ubuntu-server installation
[09:04] <scriptwarlock> hello
[09:12]  * bluefrog test
[09:12] <bluefrog> pouet
[10:12] <asoopn> hi?
[10:12] <vega-_> ?ih
[10:12] <asoopn> ok finally someone's here :)
[10:12] <asoopn> I have all the menus leaving the shadows on the screen instead of disappearing
[10:13] <vega-_> no idea
[10:14] <rye> asoopn: are you on the latest precise with all updates applied?
[10:17] <scriptwarlock> hello
[10:20] <afikul> ok sorry it was me with the menus
[10:21] <afikul> so I enjoy the view of the screen filled with rectangles all the time
[10:21] <glosoli> afikul: hey here, what's wrong  ?
[10:21] <afikul> also left mouse button occasionally stops working with only unity --reset helping
[10:21] <afikul> hi, all the menus leave a trace instead of disappearing
[10:21] <glosoli> afikul: are you up to date with updates ?
[10:21] <afikul> yeah
[10:22] <glosoli> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade too ?
[10:22] <afikul> yup
[10:22] <glosoli> tryed resetting unity ?
[10:22] <afikul> The following packages have been kept back:   ia32-libs-multiarch:i386
[10:22] <scriptwarlock> terminal shutdown command not completely power down but graphical shutdown works
[10:22] <scriptwarlock> anyone?
[10:22] <glosoli> scriptwarlock: sometimes happens to me..
[10:23] <afikul> I reset unity all the time - it helps but I can't do it every minute
[10:23] <glosoli> afikul: tryed reset compiz ?
[10:23] <scriptwarlock> glosoli, so what you do
[10:23] <afikul> I tried unity ppa but it produces dependency hell
[10:23] <glosoli> scriptwarlock: hm, somehow it magically fixed by the latest updates, migh also be video drivers fault, are you running latest VGA drivers ?
[10:23] <afikul> not sure how to reset compiz, but that's probably session-specific too...
[10:23] <glosoli> afikul: nah :)
[10:24] <glosoli> wait
[10:24] <glosoli> if you can
[10:24] <glosoli> will try to find smth
[10:24] <scriptwarlock> glosoli, well this is not only for 12.04 but also for my 11.10
[10:24] <scriptwarlock> glosoli, be right back dinner
[10:24] <glosoli> scriptwarlock: ye  ye same for me was hmm, tryed checking in launchpad if there is a bug reported ?
[10:25] <glosoli> afikul: rm -rf ~/.compiz-1/         then rm -rf ~/.config/compiz-1/
[10:27] <afikul> didnt help
[10:27] <afikul> that is, if unity --reset is enough
[10:27] <glosoli> afikul: well it might :)
[10:27] <afikul> not a reboot/logout
[10:27] <glosoli> you will need to reboot
[10:28] <glosoli> after executing these ones :)
[10:28] <afikul> ok brb
[10:30] <afkrna> still the same problem
[10:31] <glosoli> afkrna: you ever use CompizConfig-settings manager ?
[10:31] <afkrna> I tried removing stuff after getting the problem for the 1st time
[10:31] <afkrna> now it's not available
[10:33] <afkrna> i.e. yeah I've had some custom transparency/blurring things set up on 11.10
[10:33] <afkrna> where are the good old days of 8.04 with a one huge switch for all the fancy compiz stuff...
[10:35] <glosoli> afkrna:  Hmm, what drivers are you using ?
[10:35] <glosoli> for vga
[10:35] <afkrna> standard intel stuff
[10:38] <glosoli> afkrna: try reporting a bug :)
[10:39] <afkrna> how do I turn off compiz "features"?
[10:39] <afkrna> i.e. the fancy alttab thing which is f'n dumb?
[10:39] <glosoli> compizconfig-settings-manager
[10:40] <afkrna> I dont have ccsm now
[10:40] <glosoli> otherwise there is some terminal commands which I am not familiar with
[10:40] <afkrna> wtf they changed the name of ccsm =\
[10:41] <glosoli> I don't think so  ;D
[10:46] <snadge> <3 xorg-edgers ;)
[11:29] <MCR1> Since the last update I am missing basically the whole GUI.
[11:29] <MCR1> The mousecursor is visible first, then it disappears and everything turns black...
[11:30] <MCR1> Ubuntu continues to load and act like everything is normal...
[11:30] <MCR1> STRG+ALT+F1 works
[11:30] <MCR1> so I got a console at least
[11:30] <MCR1> What can I do to find out what is causing this weird bug ?
[11:31] <MCR1> I killed 2 systems already... - it is quite frustrating
[11:32] <iceroot> MCR1: 12.04 is not final so be frustaed when something gets killed shows that 12.04 is not what you want at the moment
[11:33] <crizzy> doubt anyone really wants 11.10 either .. >:)
[11:33] <iceroot> doesnt matter, 12.04 is ONLY for testing at the moment
[11:35] <MCR1> iceroot: I am used to fixing stuff myself, and I know that 12.04 is beta.
[11:36] <MCR1> iceroot: I did check that the upgrade did not remove any package & really did not expect a black-screen-of-death after updating...
[11:36] <iceroot> MCR1: start lightdm by hand and look if there is usefull output
[11:36] <iceroot> MCR1: move the xorg.conf
[11:37] <iceroot> have a look at /var/log/syslog
[11:37] <MCR1> iceroot: very useful tips - will try... - thanx
[11:37] <MCR1> iceroot: will report here...
[11:38] <MCR1> iceroot: maybe I should investigate these files with another system to have some GUI ;)
[11:39] <iceroot> no need for a gui :)
[11:39] <crizzy> ctrl-alt-f1.. nano ftw
[11:39] <iceroot> zsh + screen + vim is all a system needs :)
[11:39] <Chipaca> MCR1: some people favor "mc" for that kind of exploratory task
[11:40] <crizzy> mc + byubu is kinda pop :)
[11:41] <MCR1> Chipaca, iceroot, crizzy: ok, you got me. I even like git development with a GUI, so I use git-cola and qgit - but I will make an exception this time ;)
[11:42] <Chipaca> MCR1: i'm not suggesting you keep on using these things after you've deborked your system :)
[11:43] <Chipaca> *I* use them quite often, but, to each his own, yadda yadda
[11:43] <MCR1> I do not want to get back to the time where mouses were science-fiction ;) - I used nc back in those days...
[11:58] <crizzy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxxf86dga/+bug/953960 :/ this is puzzling one
[11:58] <MCR1> ok, in the syslog I found: hybrid-gfx main process  terminated with status 127
[11:58] <MCR1> What does that mean ?
[11:59] <crizzy> 127 = "command not found"
[12:14] <MCR1> xorg.conf in /etc/X11 is missing - shouldn't it be there ?
[12:18] <Ian_Corne> are you using the open source drivers?
[12:18] <MCR1> yes. intel on-board gfx GMA 4500HD.
[12:19] <MCR1> git it fixed !
[12:19] <MCR1> *got
[12:19] <MCR1> the update somehow deleted xorg.conf
[12:19] <MCR1> strange...
[12:19] <MCR1> but fixed.
[12:19] <MCR1> :)
[12:19] <MCR1> finally
[12:19] <ironhalik> Hmm, if Ive got two connections - WiFi and GSM, at the same time, will Ubuntu prefer wifi for tran sfering data?
[12:20] <iceroot> ironhalik: no
[12:20] <iceroot> ironhalik: it will prefer the connection you established first
[12:20] <ironhalik> oh, ok, thanx
[12:20] <bananapie> I am now 14 hours into the upgrade process ( 10.04 lts to 12.04 lts beta ).
[12:20] <ironhalik> and btw, is there a way to send and recieve USSD codes over the GSM connections?
[12:21] <bananapie> about 20 minutes after I went to bed, it said "remove obselete packages?", so all night it did nothing. Seriously, these are the kind of questions that should be asked at the beginning of the upgrade process.
[12:22] <ironhalik> bananapie: the upgrade process needs to make some work before it will know which questions to ask
[12:23] <ironhalik> you can force 'assume yes' for apt, but its not always a good idea
[12:23] <Ian_Corne> idd
[12:23] <Ian_Corne> it just calculated all dependencies, and it does ask upfront
[12:23] <bananapie> I agree, several times it asked if it should replaced modified configuration files. That's annoying, but understandable.
[12:23] <Ian_Corne> but the calculation takes a long time
[12:23] <Ian_Corne> aha
[12:24] <bananapie> I don't understand the obselete packages, it told me at the beginning that I had obselete, no longer supported and replaced packages. It could have asked at that point what it should do when it gets to the obselete packages.
[12:25] <bananapie> it also blows my mind away. It takes 20-30 minutes to install ubuntu, but 4-8 hours for an upgrade. I think my hard drive might be slower than I thought.
[12:27] <bananapie> You know my strategy on beta versions of ubuntu ? I usually install them on my laptop in a seperate partition about 1.5 months before release, test it, open bug reports, that way when it is released, my laptop works well :D
[12:27] <MCR1> does someone know the correct driver name for intel gfx (it is fbdev now)
[12:27] <MCR1> ?
[12:27] <ironhalik> anyone else got
[12:27] <ironhalik> anyone else has problems with system shortcuts like alt tab, alt f4?
[12:34] <quantumlemur> hey, this morning when I started my computer, neither the unity shortcut bar on the left nor the menu bar on the top started when I logged in, and I haven't been able to fix it.  Any ideas?
[12:36] <lukescharf> Good morning!  I'd like to report an uneventful upgrade from Oneiric to Precise!
[12:42] <Ian_Corne> nice
[12:46] <bananapie> The estimate on this upgrade is seriously wacked. Last night it said '47 minutes remaining', it stayed on '17 minutes remaining' for about 2 hours, it took 45 minutes to do '31 minutes remaining this morning',now it says '6 hours remaining'
[12:46] <bananapie> '4 hours remaining', wow those two hours went by fast
[12:50] <bananapie> 2 hours remaining,
[12:50] <mhall119> is the 10.04->12.04 upgrade patch ready?
[12:53] <jpds> mhall119: Only one way to find out.
[12:54] <mhall119> jpds: there are 2 ways to find out, #1: try it and see, #2: ask someone who has done #1
[12:54] <Italian_Plumber> hello.  On my laptop, the live CD boots up, but freezes afterthe GUI comes up.  Is this something that developers will want to know?
[12:55] <jpds> Italian_Plumber: Have you tried another LiveCD? You might just have a corrupted image.
[12:56] <Italian_Plumber> That's a good idea.  Or, can I do a "check this CD for defects"?  Same thing, or no?
[12:56] <ironhalik> Italian_Plumber: also, for me it can take up tou couple of minutes before it starts doing things, after hitting the 'try ubuntu' or 'install'
[12:56] <Ian_Corne> Italian_Plumber: that should do the same
[12:57] <Italian_Plumber> I chose the option on startup that said "Try ubuntu"...
[12:57] <Italian_Plumber> ok I'll check it then.
[12:57] <Italian_Plumber> and wait a bit longer
[12:57] <Italian_Plumber> bbl
[13:09] <Italian_Plumber> no defects -- I'm trying a different computer
[13:10] <MCR1> ok - still buggy
[13:10] <MCR1> now Unity says my Intel GMA 4500 HD does not support Unity 3d anymore :P
[13:17] <bananapie> I just finished upgrading to 12.04 LTS, it did not go very smoothly, so I am going to reinstall from cd
[13:17] <bananapie> should i use the daily build or the beta build ?
[13:17] <krnekhelesh> bananapie: you can always install the beta build and then just updating as usual
[13:17] <bananapie> ok
[13:19] <MCR1> does someone here have a working xorg.conf for intel onboard gfx (Intel GMA HD 3500/4500 prefered) - I cannot find one anywhere...
[13:19] <MCR1> ?
[13:19] <MCR1> Why did the update delete it in the first place ?
[13:19] <thomas001> hi, i installed beta1 and latest updates. I have onboard sound and an extra soundcard. But from the extra soundcard only the S/PDIF output is visible, and not normal analog output. the card's alsa driver is loaded. what may be wrong?
[13:21] <thomas001> the analog output is also present in /proc/asound/...
[13:22] <quantumlemur> hey, this morning when I started my computer, neither the unity shortcut bar on the left nor the menu bar on the top started when I logged in, and I haven't been able to fix it.  Any ideas?
[13:23] <krnekhelesh> quantumlemur: well there was an update to Unity and Compiz, both of which are responsible
[13:23] <krnekhelesh> that's wierd
[13:25] <quantumlemur> krnekhelesh, so are you saying I should just wait for it to be updated again and fixed?
[13:25] <krnekhelesh> quantumlemur: no...have you tried resetting unity ?
[13:25] <quantumlemur> krnekhelesh, resetting it how?
[13:25] <MCR1> quantumlemur: do you have intel gfx ?
[13:25] <quantumlemur> MCR1, yes
[13:26] <krnekhelesh> quantumlemur: go to the ubuntu-unity channel, someother person has exactly the same issue as you
[13:26] <krnekhelesh> he just posted few seconds back
[13:26] <MCR1> quantumlemur: then probably your xorg.conf got deleted, like happened to me...
[13:26] <MCR1> I killed 2 systems
[13:30] <thomas001> omg, syslog says: [pulseaudio] alsa-mixer.c: Volume element Master has 8 channels. That's too much! I can't handle that! ... i mean wtf?
[14:49] <bananapie> hi, I have been using Ubuntu since 7.04, linux since 2004, and computers since 1995. I just installed Ubuntu 12.04 LTS beta on my desktop here ( i am chatting from my laptop ), where are my programs ??? I only see firefox, and what's probably office programs.
[14:50] <bananapie> How do I get gedit ? Rhythmbox ? terminal ? video player ?
[14:51] <bananapie> I can't find anything on my computer...
[14:51] <bananapie> Help
[14:52] <brendand> bananapie, press the Super (windows) key and search
[14:53] <mcamaret> @bananapie: This is unity, not gnome 2. Click the ubuntu button and search for an application, use ubuntu software center to install more.
[14:53] <bananapie> So I have to type the name of the program I want to open ? What if I don't know the name of the application ?
[14:53] <brendand> bananapie, not the name. anything related to the application
[14:53] <brendand> bananapie, and once you find it you can drag it over
[14:53] <brendand> bananapie, it's no harder than trawling through menus
[14:54] <brendand> bananapie, try 'video player'
[14:54] <brendand> oooh, #fail
[14:54] <brendand> bug in totem
[14:56] <bananapie> Bug in rhythmbox, I will open a bug report
[14:56] <bananapie> hangon
[14:57] <bananapie> i have a console open and I have the process id of the buggy software, can you remind me the command I have toe xecute to open a ticket ?
[14:57] <edgy> $ sudo fdisk /dev/sda: The device presents a logical sector size that is smaller than the physical sector size. Aligning to a physical sector (or optimal I/O) size boundary is recommended, or performance may be impacted.
[15:17] <synic> anything I should know about the updates this morning?  It wants to remove unity, so it won't actually do the updates
[15:21] <bananapie> I am going to try unity
[15:34] <edgy> synic: try to update now, I guess its an intermittent problem
[15:35] <synic> k
[15:39] <mcamaret> updates are fine now
[15:40] <bananapie> I am running unity 2D, but Xorg is still consuming 50% CPU when I do simple things such as opening firefox, or moving the firefox window ( while viewing a bug report on launchpad ). Is there a fix for this ?
[15:41] <bananapie> is there a 'disable all effects' button for unity ?
[15:42] <mcamaret> @bananapie: does firefox have anything to do with it? (i.e. if you close ffox and open, say, totem, is Xorg still eating your CPU?)
[15:42] <bananapie> I closed firefox
[15:43] <bananapie> Xorg takes 40 to 60% CPU to move the 'appearance' system settings window around the screen
[15:43] <mcamaret> crazy
[15:43] <mcamaret> old computer?
[15:43] <mcamaret> try xfce or lxde, see if it still does that.
[15:45] <chmouel> anybody knows why i can't find lxcguest in precise?
[15:45] <bananapie> "Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.6GHZ" "address size 36 bits physical, 32 bits virtual"
[15:46] <edgy> bananapie: man you are old ;)
[15:46] <chmouel> is it renamed to linux-container?
[15:46] <bananapie> lxde is like KDE, xfce like gnome ?
[15:46] <mcamaret> @bananapie: yes, but even lighter than xfce
[15:47] <mcamaret> and still a full DE, not just a WM.
[15:47] <bananapie> I dislike KDE, the only reason I switched from Windows to Linux was for Gnome.
[15:48] <mcamaret> lxde by default has a windows style bottom panel only, with a gnome2 style menu.
[15:48] <bananapie> KDE was too similar to Windows, I kept expecting things to be the same, but they were different. Gnome was completely different and easier to switch to
[15:49] <mcamaret> but you can customize everything in kde, interface-wise, and make it totally different.
[15:49] <mcamaret> what version of kde did you use?
[15:49] <bananapie> KDE 3
[15:49] <mcamaret> kde 4.8 has changed a lot.
[15:49] <bananapie> I don't want to start a flame war, I am sure KDE is a great piece of software, but it's not a great piece of software for me
[15:49] <mcamaret> ok
[15:50] <mcamaret> I don't use it either, I'm using unity, but I like to try everything.
[15:50] <bananapie> I think I might try out KDE again if you say it's really come a long way.
[15:50] <mcamaret> it might be too heavy
[15:51] <bananapie> I have a laptop too
[15:51] <mcamaret> if you don't need anything fancy and like keyboard shortcuts you could use awesome window manager.
[15:51] <bananapie> 'Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T9400  @ 2.53GHz'
[15:51] <mcamaret> it is *extremely* fast
[15:52] <mcamaret> (awesome)
[15:54] <bananapie> I have lxfe running, trouble is I can't get my monitors to be side by side instead of mirrored
[15:55] <mcamaret> I don't think lxde supports multi-monitor.
[15:55] <mcamaret> I know kde, gnome 3, unity, and xfce do, but lxde is very simple
[15:56] <bananapie> it does, I just had to type 'xrandr --output VGA-0 --right-of VGA-1'
[15:56] <bananapie> It's a LOT less sluggish that unity. I think I am in love
[15:57] <mcamaret> :)
[15:57] <bananapie> thanks
[15:57] <bananapie> actually, this is a  bit funny
[15:57] <mcamaret> what?
[15:58] <bananapie> Normally, when I install ubuntu, I remove the bottom gnome bar and merge it with the top one. I replace gnome's three menu's with the single unified menu. lxfe does this by default :D Awesome!
[15:59] <bananapie> I previously tried xubuntu, but I didn't like it. I like ubuntu + lxde because I get all the ubuntu apps with lxde performance.
[15:59] <mcamaret> did you install the lxde package or lubuntu-desktop?
[16:00] <bananapie> lxde
[16:00] <mcamaret> lubuntu-desktop is a meta-package including the pretty lubuntu theme (ozone3) and iconset (elementary based)
[16:01] <c3sso> hello
[16:01] <c3sso> uhm, does somebody know: is ist opssible to change the default file open dialog from recently used to last used folder?
[16:01] <bananapie> ooh, lubuntu-desktop also includes gnome-mplayer ( which I think is better than totem )
[16:02] <bananapie> ALso has chromium, NICE!. Installing it now
[16:03] <bananapie> nope, it includes abiword. I am going to install packages by hand
[16:03] <mcamaret> ok
[16:04] <c3sso> is it possible to change the default file open dialog from recently used to last used folder?
[16:05] <c3sso> the great zeit geist is, I really do not want it in my file open dialog as default.
[16:05] <c3sso> it distracts me when when I want to write the address in the address bar, I have to click first before I can write.......
[16:06] <mcamaret> @bananapie: in synaptic you can just unmark the packages you don't want before you apply
[16:07] <bananapie> Ah , I use apt-get :D
[16:07] <bananapie> I'll try that
[16:07] <mcamaret> synaptic is great.
[16:09] <bananapie> I started using Linux on my servers in 2003 and as a desktop in 2006. I used Gentoo from 2006 through 2008, so I am used to using command line utilities ;)
[16:09] <mcamaret> I just switched to precise from arch linux
[16:10] <bananapie> actually, I started using linux in 2000 with caldera linux, but I was so completely lost and my graphics card wasn't supported, so I went back to windows on my desktop until 2006
[16:11] <c3sso> anybody knows where I could ask to get an answer? gnome-devs?
[16:15] <allain> could not determine meta package. WTH? I'm using the unity desktop.
[16:15] <allain> I was attempting a Partial upgrade when I got the message.
[16:15] <allain> What's going on?
[16:15] <mcamaret> @allain: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1859240
[16:16] <allain> thx
[16:34] <Dreaman> os[Linux 3.2.0-18-generic x86_64] distro[Ubuntu "precise" 12.04] cpu[2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 7750 Dual-Core Processor (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.70GHz] mem[Physical: 3.9GB, 82.5% free] disk[Total: 927.6GB, 77.2% free] video[Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia1: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI]
[16:34] <Dreaman> :)
[16:49] <Dreaman> Fyodorovna from russia or
[16:51] <Fyodorovna> crime and punishment
[16:52] <Dreaman> ok
[16:52] <Fyodorovna> Dostoevsky
[16:52] <Dreaman> poet
[16:52] <Dreaman> pisatel
[16:54] <Fyodorovna> writer as I know him  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dostoevsky
[16:55] <Dreaman> http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D1%8C%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%94%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8
[16:55] <Dreaman> ok
[16:57] <Dreaman> http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%98%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%9C%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%B2  Fyodorovna see this :)
[17:13] <Dreaman> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$ inxi -F
[17:13] <Dreaman> Resuming in non X mode: glxinfo not found. For package install advice run: inxi --recommends
[17:13] <Dreaman> System:    Host: ubuntu-ivan Kernel: 3.2.0-18-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Gnome Distro: Ubuntu 12.04 precise
[17:13] <Dreaman> Machine:   Mobo: TAR model: GF8100 M2+ TE Bios: American Megatrends version: 080015 date: 07/17/2009
[17:13] <Dreaman> CPU:       Dual core AMD Athlon 7750 (-MCP-) cache: 1024 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4a svm)
[17:13] <Dreaman>            Clock Speeds: 1: 1350.00 MHz 2: 1350.00 MHz
[17:13] <Dreaman> Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670]
[17:13] <Dreaman>            X.org: 1.11.3 drivers: ati,fglrx (unloaded: vesa,fbdev,radeon) Resolution: 80x24
[17:13] <Dreaman> Audio:     Card-1: NVIDIA MCP72XE/MCP72P/MCP78U/MCP78S High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel Sound: ALSA ver: 1.0.24
[17:13] <Dreaman>            Card-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV710/730 HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 4000 series] driver: snd_hda_intel
[17:13] <Dreaman> Network:   Card: NVIDIA MCP77 Ethernet driver: forcedeth
[17:13] <Dreaman>            IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 00:e0:4d:b2:1b:3c
[17:13] <Dreaman> Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1000.2GB (21.9% used) 1: /dev/sda Hitachi_HDS72101 1000.2GB
[17:14] <Dreaman> Partition: ID: / size: 136G used: 7.6G (6%) fs: ext4 ID: /boot size: 283M used: 65M (25%) fs: ext4
[17:14] <Dreaman>            ID: swap-1 size: 4.00GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap
[17:14] <Dreaman> Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 42.0C mobo: N/A
[17:14] <Dreaman>            Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
[17:14] <Dreaman> Info:      Processes: 166 Uptime: 52 min Memory: 961.0/3954.8MB Runlevel: 2 Client: Shell inxi: 1.7.30
[17:14] <Dreaman> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$
[17:14] <Dreaman> :)
[17:53] <ruffleS> hi there. is anyone else experiencing a bug where precise goes on a flickering loop between lightdm and console after logging out of a liveusb session?
[17:56] <trism> ruffleS: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/954255 which I was just about to take a look at once my iso is updated
[17:58] <ruffleS> good! this bug is annoying me
[17:58] <Mylenthes> good!
[18:27] <MountainX> is anyone using Kubuntu 12.04 with Firefox?
[18:33] <itaylor57> !offline
[18:42] <scientes> is synaptic the only package manager which handles multiarch right atm?
[18:43] <scientes> i've got a big problem around gcc-4.6-base not being co-installable cross-arch
[18:43] <scientes> while aptitude can do it, removing the i386 packages, it doesn't show that the packages are i386 so lots of confusion
[18:48] <Mylenthes> !shared-color-targets
[18:48] <Mylenthes> !shared-color-targets
[18:48] <Mylenthes> wtf, im trying to calibrate my webcam but it needs packages, but this package gives a message that it doesnt exist
[19:04] <kjeldahl> Is it just me, or has Unity (3D) been seriously broken since yesterday, either not starting or hotkeys like alt-tab not working?
[19:07] <pa> hi
[19:07] <pa> does precise support freenx?
[19:09] <Osleg> hello, i have installed ubuntu 12.04 with gnme-shell and now trying to make shell to work, i have VIA Chrome 9HC vga card, glxinfo says the Direct Rendering enabled but gnome strts in fallback mode, any assist would be grateful
[19:11] <zzecool> Osleg: was gnome shell working before ?
[19:11] <Osleg> first time installing linux on this laptop so i have no idea
[19:11] <zzecool> prolly not
[19:11] <Osleg> but what sure is that Kwin works perfectly
[19:12] <zzecool> So does unity
[19:12] <Osleg> so i guess (it jsut a guess) that shell should work too
[19:12] <Osleg> unity didnt work
[19:12] <zzecool> there is a known problem for ATi vgas with gnome shell
[19:12] <zzecool> there is not support yet
[19:12] <Osleg> it's not ATI
[19:12] <Osleg> it's ViA
[19:12] <zzecool> yeah im just saying
[19:12] <zzecool> i know
[19:13] <zzecool> you may be in a similar situation
[19:13] <zzecool> unity didnt work ?
[19:13] <kjeldahl> I've had trouble with Unity (3D) on two different machines since yesterday. One old ATI, and one new Sandy Bridge. Have to use Unity (2D) to be able to work.
[19:13] <zzecool> hmm
[19:13] <Osleg> unity2d works
[19:13] <kjeldahl> Something definitively broke. Just regular updates on my machines.
[19:13] <zzecool> kjeldahl: is this one a regression ?
[19:14] <kjeldahl> Yes. Both worked fine three days ago. I update daily.
[19:14] <Osleg> unity 3d... actually i didnt try but i guess 2d is fallback if 3d doesnt, isnt it?
[19:14] <zzecool> please report the bug
[19:14] <zzecool> on launchpad
[19:14] <zzecool> let them know
[19:14] <zzecool> open terminal and type  :   ubuntu-bug unity
[19:14] <zzecool> press enter
[19:14] <kjeldahl> Yeah, I should. I've been looking for other reports as well. Alt-tab errors have started appearing, but not much else.
[19:14] <zzecool> i se
[19:14] <zzecool> see*
[19:15] <zzecool> im on nvidia
[19:15] <Osleg> erm.. no xorg.conf in ubuntu? O
[19:15] <Osleg> Oo
[19:15] <zzecool> and everything looks ok
[19:15] <zzecool> Osleg: no
[19:15] <zzecool> you dont need one
[19:15] <zzecool> its in autopilot
[19:15] <kjeldahl> It looks ok today, but alt-tab stopped working.
[19:15] <zzecool> :)
[19:15] <Osleg> and if i want explitely specify to use dri
[19:15] <kjeldahl> (and probably more keys)
[19:15] <Osleg> or to disable dri?
[19:15] <zzecool> kjeldahl: it doesnt work for me too
[19:15] <zzecool> you are right
[19:16] <kjeldahl> I've seen sporadic reports about hotkeys being wiped as well.
[19:16]  * kjeldahl grins
[19:16] <zzecool> kjeldahl: this is common for every unity - compiz update
[19:16] <zzecool> i every time lose em
[19:16] <zzecool> ....
[19:16] <Osleg> well i guess no eyecandies then
[19:16] <kjeldahl> Very annoying. Hard to work without switching windows...
[19:16] <Osleg> tnx for help :)
[19:17] <kjeldahl> zzecool: FWIW, everything still works fine in Ubuntu 2D, if you can live without all the eyecandy.
[19:18] <zzecool> kjeldahl: it is ok in 3d too
[19:18] <zzecool> i tell you the workaround
[19:18] <zzecool> i just checked
[19:18] <zzecool> im doing this months now
[19:19] <zzecool> because as i told you it is happening in every compiz update
[19:19] <zzecool> kjeldahl: do you have ccsm installed?
[19:19] <zzecool> kjeldahl:  ?
[19:22] <zzecool> kjeldahl: you there ?
[19:28] <kjeldahl> back now
[19:28] <zzecool> kjeldahl: ahh nice
[19:28] <kjeldahl> zzecool: Yes I have ccsm installed.
[19:28] <zzecool> do you have ccsm ?
[19:28] <zzecool> ok launch it
[19:28] <zzecool> go to unity  plugin
[19:29] <zzecool> then to the 2nd tab "name switcher"
[19:29] <zzecool> key to start switcher
[19:29] <zzecool> disable this
[19:29] <zzecool> and enable it
[19:29] <zzecool> and alt tab will work
[19:29] <ironhalik> quick question: MBR or GPT? :>
[19:30] <zzecool> ironhalik: it depents :D
[19:30] <zzecool> i have both
[19:30] <zzecool> hybric
[19:30] <zzecool> :D
[19:30] <DanC>  how do I change my printer's driver in Ubuntu 12.04beta? (see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=661866 )
[19:30] <ironhalik> hmm
[19:30] <ironhalik> gpt vs mbr
[19:31] <kjeldahl> Hrmf, seems to have gone missing. Reinstalling now.
[19:31] <ironhalik> mhm
[19:31] <zzecool> kjeldahl: this works for every other shortcut
[19:31] <zzecool> :)
[19:31] <kjeldahl> zzecool: Regardless, I have the unity switcher disabled, and use the old switcher... Can't stand the "switch app" functionality. I believe I tested the "standard" Unity switcher yesterday for the hell of it, and it did not work either...
[19:32] <zzecool> try what i said
[19:32] <zzecool> it will work
[19:32] <kjeldahl> Will try. Need to log off to restart unity... Brb.
[19:32] <zzecool> im losing all my shortcuts in every unity - compiz update
[19:32] <zzecool> and this is the trick to bring em back
[19:36] <kjeldahl> Nope, still does not work. Same as earlier. Alt-tab does not work, and the alt-tab key gets sent to whatever underlying application is running.
[19:37] <kjeldahl> Eh.
[19:37] <kjeldahl> NOW it suddenly works again.
[19:37] <zzecool> ..
[19:37] <zzecool> now do the same for every other shortcut
[19:38] <zzecool> that you hav a problem
[19:38] <zzecool> have8
[19:38] <zzecool> mjnzk
[19:38] <kjeldahl> Only additional thing I tried was to enable the hud again also (which I had also disabled). Let me try...
[19:38] <zzecool> have*
[19:38] <zzecool> hud is irrelevant with this
[19:38] <zzecool> :)
[19:38] <kjeldahl> In theory yes, but no. Disabling the hud again makes alt-tab no longer work again.
[19:38] <kjeldahl> Try it!
[19:38] <zzecool> rly?
[19:38] <zzecool> let me
[19:39] <zzecool> true
[19:39] <zzecool> they have totaly fucked up compiz plugins
[19:40] <zzecool> in the rush for the release
[19:40] <zzecool> ;/
[19:40] <kjeldahl> Ok, I'll file the bug now that we managed to pin it down.
[19:40] <zzecool> my bigges problem is the scale plugin
[19:40] <kjeldahl> THIS bug, I mean. :-)
[19:40] <zzecool> yeah
[19:40] <zzecool> let me give you my bug
[19:40] <zzecool> one of
[19:40] <zzecool> to press affect
[19:41] <zzecool> kjeldahl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/933776
[19:41] <zzecool> this is very frustating
[19:41] <zzecool> send me your bug report too
[19:42] <kjeldahl> I'll file mine now.
[19:44] <zzecool> ok ill wait
[19:45] <area51pilot> Im running 12.04 w/ Unity and the Udate Manager keeps listing about 4 Distribution updates having to do w/ Gnome ... they arent avail for install? anyone know why or how to stop puling these updates?
[19:49] <kjeldahl> I can't find "Report a bug" anywhere on bugs.launchpad.net. Did the process change?
[19:50] <crizzy> 'ubuntu-bug <package>' to console
[19:50] <crizzy> works at least
[19:50] <kjeldahl> ok, I'll try it.
[19:56] <kjeldahl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/954386
[19:57] <crizzy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxxf86dga/+bug/953960 :/
[19:57] <crizzy> think i'll just need to install windows, i won't hold my breath this will ever get fixed
[19:58] <crizzy> reporting bugs to launchpad feels like writing text into a black hole.. nothing ever gets fixed
[19:59] <kjeldahl> Switching desktops does not work either...
[19:59] <kjeldahl> (using the hotkeys)
[19:59] <zzecool> do the same
[19:59] <zzecool> as with alt tab
[20:00] <zzecool> i told you 5 times alrdy ;p
[20:00] <zzecool> go to desktop wall plugin
[20:00] <zzecool> and disable - re-enable the shortcuts
[20:01] <kjeldahl> Ah, I see. How fun. Thanks.
[20:02] <kjeldahl> I have no idea what EVERY keystroke in there was mapped to by default. Oh well.
[20:03] <kjeldahl> And no option to "grab" keystroke...
[20:05] <kjeldahl> Ah, grab exists for the "Begin Viewport Switch". Fixing that to Ctrl-Alt again makes switching work as normal.
[20:32] <crizzy> now ain't this fun
[20:32] <crizzy> X segfaulting
[20:32] <MCR1> no 3d fun here anymore as well...
[20:37]  * glosoli fine
[20:38] <glosoli> crizzy: hmm a lot of mesa updates in the updater, should i Update ?
[20:39] <crizzy> dno
[20:39] <crizzy> i'm |*****-| this close to moving fulltime windows
[20:39] <crizzy> how can something as simple as damned mouse input be fscked up
[20:39] <crizzy> X is just sucha pile of vomit i don't have words for it
[21:01] <scientes> crizzy, are you using the propritary drivers?
[21:01] <crizzy> scientes: yes
[21:01] <KingPhisher> Hello, does anyone know how to change the theme for 12.04? I have a bunch in /usr/share/themes, but only Ambiance, Radiance and the High Contrast ones show up in the list. How do I select other themes?
[21:01] <scientes> nvidia or fglrx crizzy ?
[21:01] <crizzy> fglrx
[21:02] <scientes> the FOSS radeon is making alot of progress, as AMD provides lots of docs
[21:02] <scientes> it has better 2D performance
[21:02] <crizzy> it's useless
[21:02] <crizzy> don't give a crap for 2D performance
[21:02] <crizzy> i develop 3D games
[21:02] <scientes> but even with fglrx i get shit 3d performance on ati
[21:03] <crizzy> performance is fine on my hd6870
[21:03] <scientes> like, i couldn't play wow
[21:03] <crizzy> maybe 10%-20% slower than windows at worst points
[21:03] <scientes> it was like 3 fps
[21:03] <crizzy> anyway the thing i'm fighting with has nothing to do with gfx driver
[21:03] <scientes> which is like an ancient easy-to-render program
[21:03] <crizzy> DGA input is simply broken in 12.04 X
[21:04] <crizzy> setting evdev device as input makes whole X segfault too
[21:04] <crizzy> sigh
[21:04] <scientes> WUT
[21:04] <scientes> everyone uses evdev
[21:05] <crizzy> i can read evdev device directly from the code
[21:05] <scientes> thats even woorse
[21:05] <crizzy> but setting it as mouse input in xorg.conf > segfault
[21:05] <crizzy> and DGA is broken
[21:05] <scientes> well, it works for me
[21:05] <scientes> but im using xorg-edgers ATM
[21:06] <crizzy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxxf86dga/+bug/953960
[21:06] <scientes> crizzy, look at /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[21:06] <scientes> everything uses evdev
[21:06] <crizzy> irrelevant for this bug
[21:06] <crizzy> been going through these spaghetti sources for a while.. XNextEvent just seems to get flooded and scroll events get dropped.. pffh.. fsck it
[21:07] <scientes> well, there is a reason xorg is pushing to move to wayland
[21:07] <scientes> have you tested with xorg-edgers crizzy ?
[21:07] <scientes> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[21:08] <crizzy> dno if i dare
[21:08] <crizzy> :)
[21:09] <scientes> well you should
[21:10] <mykrobinson> seems i can no longer use the alt key and arrows to navigate. Anyone else having this issue?
[21:11] <glosoli> xorg-edgers aren't consider to make you live on edge ? :D
[21:11] <scientes> mykrobinson, what program?
[21:11] <mykrobinson> For example, in any browser, or even the file manager, Alt+LeftArrow used to go to the previous page.
[21:11] <mykrobinson> scientes: Chrome or Nautilus, even
[21:11] <crizzy> lets break everything then.. :p
[21:11] <scientes> mykrobinson, works for me, in firefox on precise
[21:12] <scientes> (however im using gnome-shell, not unity)
[21:12] <mykrobinson> scientes: not working in Firefox either. I know it used to.. How can I tell if it is even registering my Alt key?
[21:12] <mykrobinson> perhaps an update today broke something
[21:12] <scientes> mydogsnameisrudy, xev
[21:13] <scientes>  mydogsnameisrudy wait thats only mouse events
[21:13] <mykrobinson> alt is definitely working, if I press it by itself, it brings up the HUD
[21:14] <scientes> mykrobinson, ahh, yeah unity is probably grabbing alt and preventing it from bubbling through
[21:14] <mykrobinson> hammit....
[21:14] <scientes> you could file a bug if you think it could bubble through in a sane way
[21:14] <mykrobinson> and i see nothing in keyboard shortcuts to change this behavior
[21:14] <scientes> mykrobinson, you could also install gnome-shell :P
[21:15] <mykrobinson> oh, i don think mr. shuttleworth would approve ;)
[21:15] <crizzy> :)
[21:15] <scientes> I, for one, am not a fan of unity, however i am using it on a 7" touchscreen i have
[21:15] <scientes> (2d only)
[21:15] <scientes> cause its the best 2d touch-friendly DE i can find ATM
[21:16] <crizzy> i thought unity is like the least touch-friendly ui out there =P
[21:16] <crizzy> it's like 100% keyboard driven... dash + hud...
[21:16] <scientes> it also fits a little better
[21:16] <jbwiv> is anyone aware of a way to move the unity launcher bar? I have three monitors and it insists on staying on the left hand monitor...changing ~/.config/monitors.xml doesn't seem to change anything. This is on Ubuntu 2D.
[21:16] <scientes> crizzy, i think its smart, b/c it doesn't hide on this touchscreen
[21:16] <scientes> the left bar
[21:17] <scientes> sooo, anyone know about multiseat
[21:17] <crizzy> great xorg-bleederrs..
[21:17] <crizzy> x not starting at all anymore
[21:17] <crizzy> sigh
[21:17] <scientes> i'm having trouble with getting it to work with lightdm
[21:17] <crizzy> segfaults
[21:17] <scientes> maybe there are some gdm ppl that would know more
[21:17] <crizzy> gg X
[21:17] <mykrobinson> i like it okay, but the alt key behavior is a bit bothersome.... Posted on the forum before filing a bug report, perhaps some others have had the same issue
[21:17] <scientes> it seems like fedora/systemd is where multiseat devel is going on
[21:17] <scientes> which is annoying there is no systemd for ubuntu
[21:18] <mykrobinson> thanks for the chat, the little one wants to go swimming now :)
[21:18] <crizzy> just... great
[21:19] <scientes> crizzy, did you try the fresh Xorg crack yet?
[21:19] <crizzy> YES
[21:19] <scientes> ahh
[21:19] <crizzy> and that crap segfaults even without evdev mouse
[21:19] <crizzy> every time
[21:19] <scientes> hmm
[21:19] <scientes> it runs on my box
[21:20] <scientes> seems like you have some bugs to report :P
[21:20] <crizzy> why bother
[21:20] <crizzy> filing bugs to launchpad is like writing straight into black hole
[21:20] <crizzy> nothing ever gets fixed
[21:20] <scientes> crizzy, to bugs.freedesktop.org
[21:21] <scientes> crizzy, alot of my bugs that i file in various places get fixed
[21:22] <crizzy> so sick tired of this lunix crapola
[21:22] <glosoli> :DD
[21:29] <crizzy> sigh.. fingers crossed 12.2 catalyst doesn't segfault..
[21:30] <crizzy> it does
[21:30] <crizzy> awesum
[21:30] <crizzy> now what
[21:31] <glosoli> crizzy: hmm ;D
[21:31] <glosoli> crizzy: only one thing left for you
[21:31] <glosoli> :D
[21:32] <crizzy> if i'd use meth, now would be the time to light up the pipe
[21:32] <glosoli> crizzy: leave some for me
[21:32] <glosoli> :D
[21:36] <crizzy> apt-get remove xorg* / Y
[21:37] <crizzy> graur
[21:38] <glosoli> ;D
[21:40] <ironhalik> anyone knows how to use thinkfan, without pwm or any other aparent fan control file?
[21:46] <lukescharf> libgoa-1.0-common doesn't seem to be available.
[21:46] <lukescharf> It was holding back some packages.
[21:47] <lukescharf> Or, rather, was related to some packages that were held back, and now it's preventing me from apt-get installing ubuntu-desktop and satisfying all of its dependencies.
[21:48] <lukescharf> Not sure if it needs a bug report, though.
[21:52] <crizzy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/miro/+bug/954496
[21:52] <crizzy> sigh
[21:58] <scientes> nasty
[21:58] <scientes> crizzy, so the xorg-edgers didn't work at all for you?
[21:59] <scientes> oh wait, of course it doesn't fglrx isn't ported to 1.12 yet, AFAIK
[22:10] <MCR1> Is it possible that xorg.conf was missing and X was still working ?
[22:13] <glosoli> it is :)
[22:16] <MCR1> If it was so (I never touched the file on 12.04) - now X and Unity fail to start - all I get is a black screen with mouse cursor...
[22:16] <MCR1> after yesterdays update problems started here...
[22:17] <MCR1> I am also using xorg edgers ppa, but am on Intel GMA HD4500 on-board gfx...
[22:21] <glosoli> MCR1: can't help. Won't even take a look at edgers ppa
[22:21] <glosoli> :)
[22:40] <teratoma> how do i enable hibernation?
[22:46] <MCR1> here not even shutdown works correctly...
[22:50] <log> !info hibernate | teratoma
[22:55] <trism> teratoma: http://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-modify-policykit-to-allow-hibernation-in-upower
[22:56] <log> Oh, I didn't know about that.
[22:56] <log> Interesting.
[22:56] <teratoma> so the answer is ... edit a bunch of xml files?
[22:57] <log> Or install that package, I guess, although it seems a bit buggy.
[22:57] <teratoma> i did install hibernate
[22:57] <trism> teratoma: not a bunch, but one, and not xml, key=value
[22:57] <teratoma> this is why people mock me for running linux on the desktop!
[22:57] <teratoma> but thanks, ive done it
[23:45] <Daekdroom> !info lxde