[00:00] <mhall119> wat
[00:04] <cjohnston> jono: who is Brandon that helped you with your CSS stuff?
[00:06] <jono> cjohnston, is goes back to when I joined Ubuntu
[00:06] <jono> used to be quite involved in Kubuntu afaik
[00:06] <cjohnston> gotcha... we need CSS help, so I was wonderin.. :-)
[00:07] <jono> cool :-)
[00:07] <jono> there were a few people who volunteered help on that post
[00:08] <mhall119> jono: let them know that there's plenty of opportunity for web folks who want to contribute to Ubuntu projects
[00:09] <cjohnston> ya..
[00:10] <jono> will do
[00:10] <jono> you guys should reach out to them though
[00:10] <jono> encourage them to help
[00:10] <cjohnston> I'm on your blog looking
[00:12] <mhall119> cjohnston: you mean: "I'm on yer blogs stealin your contributors"
[00:13] <cjohnston> he already got his help
[00:13] <cjohnston> maybe he should blog about us needing help :-P
[00:15] <jono> cjohnston, lol
[00:15] <cjohnston> jono: http://amoz.dyndns.org:8080/
[00:16] <jono> cjohnston, nice work!
[00:16] <cjohnston> Amoz_: ^^
[00:16] <cjohnston> jono: Amoz_ has done most of it. New dev for us! woot!
[00:17] <jono> nice! :-)
[01:19] <bkerensa> jcastro: Subway coming soon
[01:19] <bkerensa> :D
[01:19] <bkerensa> jcastro: do I need to push a nodejs and npm charm first?
[01:19] <mhall119> bkerensa: sandwiches?
[01:20] <bkerensa> and then use a Subway charm to deploy nodejs, npm and mongodb?
[01:20] <bkerensa> mhall119: Subway IRC
[01:20] <bkerensa> :D
[01:20] <mhall119> oh
[01:20] <bkerensa> https://github.com/thedjpetersen/subway/
[01:20] <cprofitt> hey bkerensa
[01:21] <bkerensa> cprofitt: hello
[01:21] <cprofitt> saw you comment in the street team thread
[01:21] <bkerensa> cprofitt: yes
[01:21] <cprofitt> I think you are on target; I am trying to help guide him towards something symbiotic
[01:22] <bkerensa> cprofitt: What he wants to do seems duplicative of the role of a Ubuntu LoCo
[01:22] <cprofitt> He has a great deal of enthusiasm, but has not been exposed to the other community teams as much
[01:22] <cprofitt> so I will also try to get him exposed to them as well
[01:22] <cprofitt> bkerensa: yes, as he explained it that would be accurate
[01:23] <bkerensa> Excellent... We can always use more enthusiasm :)
[01:23] <cprofitt> in our in-person discussions his ideas have been a bit more symbiotic
[01:23] <cprofitt> his general idea is to have 'experts' at working with festivals and concerts... that can help loco teams make contact
[01:23] <bkerensa> Too some degree we do things like that in the Pacific Northwest.... Washington LoCo comes down and tag teams big events with us
[01:24] <cprofitt> from what we talked about he still wants the LoCo team to actually provide the man power, but from what he says he has experience with community festivals, etc
[01:24] <cprofitt> and wants to provide that expertise beyond just NY State
[01:24] <bkerensa> Interesting
[01:24] <cprofitt> as you likely are... I am not sure that amounts to another team...
[01:25] <cprofitt> but the idea of having experts to assist with that seems valid
[01:25] <cprofitt> I, for one, have no idea how to approach a community music festival beyond just asking straight out
[01:25] <cprofitt> so if there is some 'secret sauce' that would be good information
[01:26] <bkerensa> I have fancied the idea of a Ubuntu Community Tour.... The likelihood of that ever coming to fruition is slim but we are hoping to start doing a regional roadtrip to all Linux events by renting vans
[01:26] <cprofitt> that sounds cool
[01:26] <bkerensa> cprofitt: Well I know in France the LoCo has a Internet Cafe setup at a major music festival
[01:26] <cprofitt> with three kids and a full-time job my chances of doing some road tour is likely slim
[01:26] <cprofitt> +1 on France
[01:26] <bkerensa> they have a huge huge tent that has Ubuntu designs and have workstations and everything
[01:27] <cprofitt> +1 on an Internet Cafee too
[01:27] <bkerensa> I think LoCo's in Europe have much more capital though since from what I hear they are corporations and have bank accounts and actually sell stuff?
[01:27]  * cprofitt nods
[01:27] <cprofitt> yes, in the US we have stayed away from that
[01:27] <bkerensa> Indeed... It causes too many issues
[01:28] <bkerensa> Who will take liability etc etc and transparency
[01:28] <cprofitt> yep
[01:28] <mhall119> 2/w 26
[01:28] <bkerensa> I have been waiting now for three months for Yahoo to approve a series of talks.... the problem were running into is Insurance
[01:28] <bkerensa> and liability
[01:28] <bkerensa> =/
[01:28] <bkerensa> It was supposed to happen in February and now its stalled due to liability but we shall see
[01:29] <mhall119> I introduced my son to the Software Center today
[01:29] <cprofitt> yeah... I have two other computer groups near me that are 501(c)3... I use them as an umbrella in such cases
[01:29] <bkerensa> mhall119:  what was his feedback?
[01:29] <bkerensa> :D
[01:29] <mhall119> bkerensa: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xword/+bug/953560
[01:29] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 953560 in xword "xword doesn't come with any puzzles" [Undecided,New]
[01:29] <mhall119> he wanted me to install new games, I told him to find some himself
[01:29] <mhall119> all he needed me for was my password to install xword
[01:30] <mhall119> unfortunately xword didn't give a nice first impression
[01:30] <bkerensa> cprofitt: Well we only really have one 501(c)3 in Oregon that would be aligned with our efforts but the problem is they are a bureaucracy greater then the federal government because they have no director and are totally organic in decision making
[01:30] <mhall119> he's also still on 10.04, so pretty old USC
[01:30] <bkerensa> so getting approval for things is chaotic at best because everyone in their org has to agree and have input
[01:31] <mhall119> bkerensa: but the actual finding and installing was a breeze, he browsed through several games before picking one to install
[01:31] <bkerensa> Hmm
[01:31] <mhall119> so, USC: So easy, a 7 year old can do it
[01:31] <bkerensa> :D
[01:31] <bkerensa> mhall119: should start a ad campaign
[01:31] <cprofitt> mhall119: my four year old does it too...
[01:31] <mhall119> If I was more creative I would
[01:32] <cprofitt> though she still needs dad's credentials
[01:33] <cprofitt> there are times that I am shocked at how well kids adapt... and just learn
[01:33] <cprofitt> then again since I have three I am growing used to it... kids are amazing
[01:40] <cprofitt> mhall119: is that your youngest?
[01:45] <mhall119> cprofitt: oldest
[01:45] <mhall119> my daughter hasn't shown as much interest in the computer, despite all my best efforts
[01:46] <cprofitt> all three of mine show interest... with little trying on my part.
[01:46] <cprofitt> It helps that each have their own PC
[01:46] <mhall119> she'd just rather be playing with a person than a machine I think
[01:46] <cprofitt> it was easier for the younder ones I think... they had their older sister to follow
[02:19] <jcastro> bkerensa, we have a node charm
[02:19] <jcastro> you just need to depend on it
[06:16] <jono> night all!
[06:45] <bkerensa> jcastro: what version of nodejs does it install? hopefully not the version in our repos
[06:45] <bkerensa> because our nodejs is way outdated
[06:47] <bkerensa_subway> jcastro: subway is greenlight :) let me tidy it up and push it tomorrow
[08:02] <dholbach> good morning
[08:20] <inetpro> good morning dholbach
[08:20] <dholbach> hi inetpro
[08:22] <bkerensa> good morning
[09:09] <dholbach> jussi01, I'm on G+ already
[09:09] <dholbach> just with a different email address
[09:09] <jussi01> huh? oh
[09:09] <jussi01> silly g+ email everyone when I make a new circle :(
[09:10] <dholbach> is dpm on holidays? slacker!
[09:35] <nigelb> He must've forgotten about IRC today :P
[09:41] <jokerdino> w00t Ubuntu membership meeting starting in 20 minutes. :D I am so excited.
[09:43] <jokerdino> eh, wrong room
[09:59] <czajkowski> AlanBell: what or wher eod people request the offical ubuntu bot?
[09:59] <AlanBell> #ubuntu-irc
[10:00] <czajkowski> thanks
[10:03] <czajkowski> AlanBell: can you find out if one is on its way for ubuntu-website ?
[10:03] <czajkowski> please
[11:05] <head_victim> Congratulations jokerdino, you're LP has been updated :)
[11:06] <akgraner> dholbach, I submitted my first merge proposal last night.  I think I did it right - cjohnston and nigelb helped me out when I got stuck on committing it and pushing it back up.  Set the CC to the reviewer and emailed the list this morning.  Hope that helps.
[11:06] <dholbach> akgraner, you're a hero! :)
[11:08] <akgraner> dholbach, nah  - but I learned vim and emacs aren't so easy if you've never used them before - but I got it worked out :-)  And the bzr instructions aren't *that* hard.  I don't know I was hesitant to learn that stuff?
[11:08] <dholbach> :)
[11:10] <sagaci> akgraner: developer in no time
[11:10] <jussi01> is there anything akgraner cant do?
[11:10] <jussi01> soon the kernel patches will be flowing...
[11:11] <akgraner> jussi01, um no - I've been ban from that area.  Some other graner says to stay off of his cloud :-P
[11:12] <jussi01> akgraner: aww :P
[11:13] <akgraner> jussi01, no not really, as I am testing some kernels not b/c once again my machine is overheating with the beta release hitting upwards of 90 degrees Celsius and shutting down
[11:13] <akgraner> s/not/now
[11:27] <jokerdino> thanks a lot head_victim !
[11:27]  * jokerdino just came back from dinner.
[11:28] <czajkowski> jokerdino: productive day eh :)
[11:31] <jokerdino> i would like to think so haha. :D
[12:22] <nigelb> http://bootswatch.com/united/
[12:22] <nigelb> looks very ubuntu
[12:45] <mhall119> nigelb: I assume that was intentional
[13:34] <sense> Why do we need to be saved from Bootstrap?
[13:40] <nigelb> mhall119: Yeah. I also see the play with United. Unity. ubuntu meaning unity and all that
[13:47] <jalcine> nigelb: is that link yours? it looks improper on Konqueror over here :?
[13:48] <nigelb> jalcine: I only found it. I don't control the content.
[13:48] <jalcine> Ah, well, it's a very good idea. But it doesn't pass W3C tests ;)
[13:51] <nigelb> Well, the one thing that it doesn't pass is because it's a template
[13:51] <nigelb> Otherwise, everything seems to pass.
[14:06] <czajkowski> hmm really need to spring clean and reorganise my bookmarks
[14:06] <czajkowski> most messy
[14:06] <s-fox> Hello.
[14:09] <nothingspecial> hi s-fox :D
[14:09] <nothingspecial> hang on brb
[14:17] <s-fox> Welcome back nothingspecial :)
[14:17] <nothingspecial> thanks s-fox
[14:18] <jcastro> test
[14:19] <jcastro> hmm, my apport is overzealous today
[14:19] <jcastro> told me my irc client crashed
[14:19] <jcastro> and yet here I am
[14:21] <s-fox> jcastro,  I think you passed :D
[14:49] <jcastro> dholbach, meeting in 10 right?
[14:49] <jcastro> IRC ftw?
[14:49] <dholbach> jcastro, IRC?
[14:49] <dholbach> :-P
[14:49] <dholbach> yes
[14:56] <technoviking> jcastro: I have an idea how to get outdated forums posts out of Google search without deleting or reducing post count, emailing  you and FC.
[14:56] <jcastro> I thought we were going to upgrade to 4.x
[14:57] <jcastro> and then figure out a way to have community people flag or something
[14:57] <technoviking> we are, but till then
[14:57] <balloons> technoviking, ohh.. interesting
[14:57] <jcastro> I could have sworn joeb did this before we left
[14:57] <jcastro> I remember testing it with him
[15:00] <jono> mhall119, dholbach, balloons, jcastro all set?
[15:00] <dholbach> yep
[15:01] <jono> #startmeeting
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[15:01] <jcastro> let's do dis
[15:01] <jono> welcome one and all to the Canonical Community Team meeting!
[15:01] <mhall119> ready
[15:01] <jono> unfortunately our brother in wiki pages dpm won't be joining us today as he is off work
[15:01] <jono> so, let's get this baby on the road
[15:01] <jono> ...first up...
[15:02] <jono> ...a man few understand, but all cherish....dholbach!
[15:02] <dholbach> buenos días!
[15:02] <dholbach>  ☺ Dev initiatives: announced G+ Hangouts for Thursday. Held hangout sessions, very refreshing. Put together list of simple tasks for Fix-It Friday - had a great Friday. Put together a plan for "User Testing for Ubuntu Development", wrote announce, discussed with Jono, set up IMAP box for team, reached out to a couple of folks who might be interested, about to mail Ubuntu Developers.
[15:03] <dholbach> (I'm really excited about the User Testing!)
[15:03] <dholbach>  ☺ Dev Advisory Team: put some automatic lists for the team together. Experiments with Trello API are ongoing. Awesome work by Andrew SB to put tasks to Trello board super easily. Mailed lots of contributors. Marcin Juskiewicz became MOTU. Adam Gandelman and Björn Michaelsen are up for the next DMB meeting.
[15:03] <dholbach> Dev Advisory Team Comments of the week:
[15:03] <dholbach>  - "Ubuntu is my passion and I like to work on it in my free time, after the school. I'm happy to fix the user problems... I don't know why but I like this :P"
[15:03] <dholbach>  - "Generally my experience has been very positive.  Once I decided to work on the Ubuntu version of the resolvconf package I quickly came into contact with the involved Ubuntu developers.  I found them very cooperative and effective.  Ubuntu is well equipped.  I have no suggestions for improvement."
[15:04] <dholbach>  - "everything is meticulously documented which makes life easier for new contributors. "
[15:04] <dholbach>  - "I think the most positive part of the experience to date has been the realization that the Ubuntu community cares enough to engage in this kind of feedback solicitation. That is simply unparalleled in other projects, and a testament to the many solid reasons so many prefer Ubuntu."
[15:04] <jono> :-)
[15:04] <dholbach>  ☺ Sponsoring: Planned next month of sponsoring. Put a bit of work in simplification of Sponsoring Overview Code.
[15:04] <dholbach>  ☺ Dev News: Got another update out.
[15:04] <dholbach>  ☺ Dev Docs: Discussions about i18n of Packaging Guide.
[15:04] <dholbach>  ☺ Admin: filed expenses, planned travel to UDS.
[15:04] <dholbach>  ☺ CC: worked on new revision of Code of Conduct.
[15:04] <dholbach> That's it.
[15:05] <technoviking> jcastro: I will re-check that in admincp
[15:05] <cprofitt> the revision looks good too!
[15:05] <dholbach> cprofitt, yeah, probably just a bit more polish and we're all set :)
[15:05] <mhall119> dholbach: got akgraner using bzr now too :)
[15:05] <balloons> dholbach, love the quotes
[15:05] <dholbach> ah, thanks for your help then, mhall119!
[15:06] <jono> technoviking, hey, we are in a meeting right now
[15:06] <mhall119> dholbach: I didn't do anything
[15:06] <dholbach> balloons, yeah - the d-a-t is simply the most uplifting thing I work on this cycle :)
[15:06] <jono> can you discuss that in PM?
[15:06] <jono> thanks dholbach!
[15:06] <mhall119> dholbach: +1, it's always nice to hear people happy with what we're doing
[15:06] <jono> always wonderful to hear about positive community experiences
[15:07] <jono> any more questions for dholbach?
[15:07] <jcastro> dholbau5! \o/
[15:07] <dholbach> that's it! I'm moving to Mint!
[15:07] <jono> lol
[15:07] <jono> ...alrighty! next up....
[15:07] <mhall119> ha
[15:08] <jono> ...a man proven wrong multiple times about his Metallica and Megadeth viewpoints by a handsome Englishman....jcastro!
[15:08] <jcastro> \o/
[15:08] <jcastro> Welcome to my weekly report.
[15:08] <jcastro> This week brought to you by Hemispheres: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAZXGjoQTzw
[15:08] <jcastro> (Like this status report, an epic tale of the heart and mind)
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[15:08] <jcastro> ## Updated/New Charms
[15:08] <jcastro>   - Minecraft updates
[15:08] <jcastro>   - Owncloud needs to be moved to mysql and updated (Marco's on this)
[15:08] <jcastro>   - Cassandra updated
[15:08] <jcastro>   - A bunch of Openstack Charm updates (too many to list)
[15:09] <jcastro> ^^ epic server team work involved in all openstack work
[15:09] <jcastro>   - Juan's submitted gearman
[15:09] <jcastro>   - bkerensa's working on Subway IRC (awwww yeah!)
[15:09] <jcastro> Subway is a slick IRC client in nodejs and uses mongo
[15:09] <jcastro> so it'll be a cool charm
[15:09] <jcastro>   - Marco's finishing up Redmine
[15:09] <jcastro>   - A bunch of boolean fixes due to changes in trunk, don't panic!
[15:09] <jcastro> - Charm School yesterday in Santa Clara, waiting for the feedback, also waiting on the feedback from the webinar so I can follow up with people.
[15:09] <jcastro>   - Still waiting on the charm store and constraints (Yargh!)
[15:10] <jcastro> ok that's it for juju
[15:10] <jcastro> ## Other
[15:10] <jcastro> - Forums 4.x testing upgrade actually worked, need to nail down schedule for production upgrade.
[15:10] <jcastro>  - Summit hosting for Plumbers done, just needed an account to charge it to, we should be handing this off RSN. Thanks m_3 and cjohnston!
[15:10] <jcastro> - Chasing down a wireless bug with my kernel, the experience has been fun. The kernel guy posts debs, I test them, report back, really awesome: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/937118
[15:10] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 937118 in linux "Wireless stops passing packets" [High,Confirmed]
[15:10] <jcastro> - Mailed agent but he can't book our tickets yet, says he's waiting for the signal from Marianna?
[15:10] <jcastro> - Am I not doing something you would like to see done? Check out my trello boards: http://strapello.com/user/jorgecastro
[15:10] <jcastro>  - It would be nice if I started doing openweek planning this week, slacker.
[15:10] <jcastro> Questions?
[15:11] <jcastro> complaints?
[15:11] <jcastro> shower of gifts?
[15:11] <mhall119> yay summit charm!
[15:11]  * balloons slects gifts
[15:11] <dholbach> your 18m08s song is still playing :-P
[15:11] <jono> any questions for jcastro?
[15:11] <jcastro> It's epic
[15:11] <balloons> if no one has had the "jcastro" experience with devs, bugs and ubuntu I recommend it
[15:11] <mhall119> jcastro: you ended right as the lyrics on your song started, did you plan it that way?
[15:12] <balloons> it's awesome
[15:12] <balloons> +1 for ubuntu community
[15:12] <jcastro> it's a rush song, it's supposed to be like a 20 minute intro
[15:12] <mhall119> I'll be honest, this is the first time I've played your background track,  it really does add to the bullets :)
[15:12] <jono> hah
[15:12] <jono> is it the Benny Hill music?
[15:12] <jono> :-)
[15:12] <jcastro> Net boy
[15:12] <jcastro> Net girl
[15:13] <jono> :-)
[15:13] <jono> ...alrighty! next up....
[15:13] <jono> ...no bug is safe, so checkbox test cannot be written...balloons!
[15:13] <balloons> hehe
[15:14] <balloons> I have been prepping (mentally!) for being a track lead at UDS Q. If your interested in QA and ubuntu, this is going to be the track for you. There are many plans and items to discuss and our future direction is very much on the table. If you can, plan to attend remotely or physically :-)
[15:14] <mhall119> or both
[15:14] <balloons> In addition, my future self is already looking forward to the new ubuntu swag and seeing everyone again (in a non-cold environment)
[15:15] <balloons> mhall119, ^^ ohh
[15:15] <balloons> Started looking at http://results-tracker.ubuntu.com/ to parse the beta1 tests results. Completed a proof of concept to grab your avatar if you submitted tests :-) Still learning launchpad api, and working on the counts from beta1. Expect to see a blog post this week following up. Additionally, looking to expand on the data we can view inside the tracker.
[15:16] <balloons> Working on case conductor again with the ubuntu-one team. Ran into some roadblocks with the source code, as well as the server we attempted to deploy on. The Case conductor code should be stabilized and released at the end of march / early april so we are still on schedule for having a stable build ready when the code is complete.
[15:17] <balloons> I updated the wiki and wrote new pages outlining the testing strategy for the rest of the precise cycle. This includes writeups on asking for testing from a developer perspective, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/CallforTesting, as well as a user perspective.
[15:17]  * balloons is glad his IRC client has spellcheck
[15:17] <balloons> Began process of migrating the checkbox app testing to checkbox-qt. Looking to add in automagical bug reporting when a test is recorded as failing among other niceties. There is still time to get your application tests in for beta2, so merge requests are always accepted ;-)
[15:18] <balloons> spelling niceties.. hmm, still looks off.. niceties.. fun word
[15:19] <balloons> I revisited my survey of the ubuntu qa landscape, and played with a cool new tool someone shared with me.. Let me find the link...
[15:19] <balloons> Check it out if your into Qa tools: http://sikuli.org/.. Thoughts on how it might help ubuntu QA are welcome.
[15:20] <jono> Sikuli is awesome
[15:21] <balloons> yes it is very cool.. and very oriented to the common user
[15:22] <balloons> you can automate tasks using make sense to you as a human, and have the computer give you feedback.. Very graphical and intitutive
[15:22] <balloons> and that is it for balloons
[15:23] <jono> alright!
[15:23] <jono> any questions for balloons?
[15:24] <jcastro> \o/
[15:25] <jono> ok
[15:25] <jono> ...next up....
[15:25] <jono> ...one way or another, you are contributing to Unity if this guy gets his way....mhall119!
[15:25] <mhall119> lol
[15:25] <jcastro> heh
[15:25] <mhall119> it's funny because it's true
[15:25] <jono> :-)
[15:25] <dholbach> :)
[15:26] <nigelb> yeah, he joined another network to help someone to fix something in unity.
[15:26] <mhall119> I have a short list this week, but I promise I've been hard at work (except Friday)
[15:26] <jono> a likely story
[15:26] <jono> :-)
[15:26] <mhall119> * graphics design lens has passed moderation using the ARB's new process after some fine-tuning, more scopes are in-queue, and more to come
[15:26] <mhall119> it hasn't landed in USC yet, it's now in the "QA queue", but it was voted on and approved
[15:27] <mhall119> hopefully future scopes/lenses won't take quite so long
[15:27] <mhall119> * quickly-unity-lens-template landed in universe!!!
[15:27] <jono> woo!
[15:27] <dholbach> nice
[15:27] <mhall119> I'll be writing another step-by-step tutorial for writing lenses/scopes for Precise, then look out!
[15:28] <mhall119> * gathered, wrote, edited, formatted developer documentation for Unity integration
[15:28] <mhall119> ^^ this took up the bulk of my time this week, but we're 99% done now
[15:28] <mhall119> hopefully they will go live this week when dpm gets back
[15:28] <mhall119> I also have a new-found respect for anybody who produces technical documentation for us
[15:29] <mhall119> and a new-found disrespect for the answer "just read the header file"
[15:29] <mhall119> :(
[15:29] <czajkowski> mhall119: http://www.dexy.it/  for all your documentation needs :)
[15:29] <mhall119> * edit-patch fixes landed in Precise *and* Debian
[15:29] <dholbach> :-D
[15:30] <mhall119> czajkowski: will it write the content for me?
[15:30] <jono> czajkowski, unfortunately Dexy won't write our docs for us :-)
[15:30] <jono> hah, great minds :-)
[15:30] <jono> or, sarcastic minds :-)
[15:30] <mhall119> edit-patch fix is my first actual submission to Debian to get accepted
[15:30] <mhall119> jono: it's a fine line between greatness and sarcasm
[15:31] <jono> :-)
[15:31] <mhall119> * blogged instructions for converting bzr MPs into package patches
[15:31] <mhall119> will be following up with the submitted branches that haven't landed yet to see about getting them converted
[15:31] <czajkowski> mhall119: it will do a lot of the automation of it expecially if you are taking scren captures and adding in code :)
[15:32] <mhall119> we've had several quicklist and keywords branches land in Precise already
[15:32] <mhall119> I got an email the other day from one of the contributors saying:
[15:32] <mhall119> "But I am attaching a pic of the update manager showing the update I made. I was so happy to see it! Thanks for your help/ "
[15:32] <mhall119> made my day :)
[15:33] <jono> nice! :-)
[15:33] <mhall119> * Spent Friday at LegoLand with my son, I'm thinking it's time to start playing with the Mindstorm stuff
[15:33] <jono> czajkowski, the challenge with the docs not around the formatting really, just getting some human-readable docs written
[15:33] <jono> and getting the necessary information from DX :-)
[15:34] <jcastro> man dude, that's a short week?
[15:34] <czajkowski> jono: fair enough was just letting folks know it;s a useful tool.
[15:34] <jono> thanks czajkowski
[15:34] <czajkowski> jcastro: czajkowski@sheldon:~$ man dude
[15:34] <czajkowski> No manual entry for dude
[15:34] <mhall119> lol
[15:34] <mhall119> he does say "man dude" a lot
[15:34] <jono> mhall119, all done?
[15:34] <mhall119> yup
[15:34] <jono> any questions for mhall119?
[15:35] <jcastro> that's a bunch of good work dude
[15:35] <jcastro> high five!
[15:35] <jono> man dude
[15:35] <jono> awesome
[15:35] <mhall119> ^5
[15:35] <jono> :-)
[15:35] <jono> alrighty, I guess I am up next
[15:35] <jono>  * General:
[15:35] <jono>   * Burndown looking good everything looking on track: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-community.html
[15:36] <jono>   * I am taking some time off for a few weeks from Monday; I won't be on IRC, but have occassional access to email.
[15:36] <jono>   * Started making preliminary plans around 12.10; will start coordination with the team in a few weeks.
[15:36] <jono>  * Developers:
[15:36] <jono>   * Working with dholbach to help structure the Developer Advisory Board and how it moves developers through the system.
[15:36] <jono>   * Identifying ways to improve sponsorship.
[15:36] <jono>  * QA:
[15:36] <jono>   * Building prep for Beta2 testing.
[15:36] <jono>   * Assessed the requirements around core-component testing.
[15:36] <jono>  * App Devs:
[15:37] <jono>   * Unity docs now online. This has now unblocked further Unity app dev outreach for Michael.
[15:37] <jono>   * Started building plans with dpm around "social development" and connecting app development with elements of the Ubuntu culture.
[15:37] <jono>  * Upstreams:
[15:37] <jono>   * Getting our Unity developer documentation in shape.
[15:37] <jono>   * Planning next strategic steps: namely, hi-res icons, indicators, and ensuring Quicklists can be deployed in Ubuntu.
[15:37] <jono>  * JuJu:
[15:37] <jono>   * Coordinating how Plumbers can use Summit and Juju for their event.
[15:37] <jono>   * Updated stakeholders.
[15:37] <jono>  * LoCo Teams:
[15:38] <jono>   * Putting some plans in place for Ubuntu Release Parties.
[15:38] <jono>   * Started noting down some 12.10 strategy around LoCo Teams.
[15:38] <jono>  * Ubuntu Accomplishments:
[15:38] <jono>   * Web Editor project now in full swing. A nice development team is forming there.
[15:38] <jono>   * Fixed a number of bugs, improved look and feel, added performance improvements, added bubbles to show when accomplishments are unlocked.
[15:38] <jono>   * Improved our documentation at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments
[15:38] <jono>  * UDS:
[15:38] <jono>   * Finalized track leads.
[15:38] <jono>   * Sponsorship went out.
[15:38] <jono>   * Handling some commercial sponsorship requirements.
[15:39] <jono>  * Other:
[15:39] <jono> * Contributing a test script and data to get a rather ugly Twisted bug fixed. Thanks to dobey!
[15:39] <jono>   * Reporting various other 12.04 issues.
[15:39] <jono>   * Coordinating UDS and pre-UDS sprint travel for the team.
[15:39] <jono>   * Coordinated UDS and pre-UDS sprint travel for the team.
[15:39] <jono>   * Continued work around 'I Make UBuntu' idea.
[15:39] <jono>   * Planning various travel requirements.
[15:39] <jono>   * Meeting with Prentice Hall about the Official Ubuntu Book and elements of it's release.
[15:40] <jono>   * Various CanoniStack issues.
[15:40] <jono> and that is me
[15:40] <jono> any questions?
[15:40] <jcastro> (Pro tip: juju is "juju" or "Juju" but never camel cased "JuJu". This post brought to you by the committee for branding consistency.)
[15:40]  * jono cares
[15:40] <jono> :-)
[15:40] <jono> any questions?
[15:40] <jcastro> committee for Jane nitpick prevention. :)
[15:40] <jono> lol
[15:40] <cprofitt> jono: Loco Team 2010 -- what types of planning?
[15:40] <cprofitt> strategy I mean
[15:41] <jono> cprofitt, my thinking is around build further LoCo leadership, continued social expansion of loco.ubuntu.com
[15:41] <jono> and continued event planning
[15:41] <jono> I still think our LoCo Community leads more leadership
[15:41] <jono> s/leads/needs
[15:41] <jono> and we need to empower more leaders
[15:42] <jono> any other questions?
[15:42] <cprofitt> +1 jono
[15:42] <jono> cprofitt, would love to talk with more with you about this
[15:42] <jono> I think there is some great opportunity out there
[15:42] <cprofitt> there is a person trying to build something called Ubuntu Street Team that we should talk about...
[15:42] <cprofitt> yes, lets talk at some point
[15:43] <jcastro> I saw the street team post but didn't investigate
[15:43] <jono> cprofitt, cool
[15:44] <jono> ok, so it looks like we are done
[15:44] <jono> thanks everyone for joining us!
[15:44] <dholbach> thanks everyone :)
[15:44] <cprofitt> jcastro: its an interesting concept, but needs some 'steering' to avoid conflicts.
[15:44] <czajkowski> jono: got time for a quick pm/call ?
[15:44] <jono> #endmeeting
[15:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar 13 15:44:19 2012 UTC.
[15:44] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-03-13-15.01.moin.txt
[15:44] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-03-13-15.01.html
[15:44] <jono> czajkowski, sure!
[15:44] <jono> lets do G+
[15:44] <czajkowski> sure
[15:45] <jono> czajkowski, will send an invite
[15:45] <czajkowski> sent to pm
[15:48] <cprofitt> jcastro: http://ubuntustreetteam.tk/
[15:48] <cprofitt> that is the website that joseph put up
[15:48] <jcastro> nice!
[15:48] <jcastro> he needs some bootstrap
[15:48] <jcastro> mhall119, the bootswatch guy mailed me about contributing United to ubuntu
[15:49] <cprofitt> jcastro: yep.
[15:50] <cprofitt> the other thing is to make sure he organizes it so that LoCo teams do not feel as though the team is not in conflict with them...
[15:50] <technoviking> jono: sorry about that, should have read the buffer
[15:51] <cprofitt> From talking to him his idea is to augment, but I think some may interpret it as a conflict
[15:51] <mhall119> jcastro: contributing it in what way?
[15:51] <jcastro> mhall119, talking with design to make it be compliant
[15:52] <mhall119> ah, cool
[15:52] <jcastro> what he did at first is just guess at what the design should be
[15:52] <jcastro> and he came pretty close
[15:52] <jcastro> but he wants it to be exact
[15:52] <mhall119> it does look nice, yeah
[15:52] <jcastro> and is willing to rename it and maintain it
[15:52] <jcastro> that way when people want to do things like make streetteam websites they have the tools available
[15:52] <jcastro> mhall119, any idea who on design I can link him up with? I was thinking sladen?
[15:53] <mhall119> sladen would be a good one, yeah
[15:58] <cjohnston> jcastro: if someone wants to work on designs and such, they should join the community web team and help everyone..
[15:59] <jono> technoviking, no worries!
[15:59] <jcastro> cjohnston, ok so should I send him to the list?
[16:00] <cjohnston> jcastro: or #ubuntu-website
[16:00] <cjohnston> we have the new CSS.. provided to us by the caonical web team
[16:00] <cjohnston> we just have to make it work with whatever cms's we want
[16:01] <technoviking> jcastro: sent two solutions, both safe for forums and post counts
[16:02] <jcastro> cjohnston, ok, I'll reply to him and send him to the list
[16:02] <cjohnston> ty
[16:03] <jcastro> ok so I don't get the thing about post count
[16:03] <cjohnston> jono: any chance you could register in LP for UDS: https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-q/+attend
[16:07] <czajkowski> jono: if you register I'll bring you some curly wurlys !
[16:08] <cprofitt> curly wurlys?
[16:09] <czajkowski> cprofitt: google is your friend.  http://url.ie/eujd
[16:10] <cprofitt> so it is like a Jelly Baby
[16:10] <czajkowski> nope
[16:10] <czajkowski> toffee
[16:11] <cprofitt> I like toffee
[16:14] <dholbach> brb
[16:37] <dholbach> wow, spam authors get more and more creative recently
[16:37] <dholbach> I wonder what "Subject:  i robbed a tv pastor cause i didn't like him" might want to sell
[16:37] <dholbach> or maybe I don't
[16:37]  * dholbach presses D for discard
[16:40] <czajkowski> listadmin++
[16:44] <jussi> czajkowski: did jpds get in touch?
[16:45] <jussi> (re: #ubuntu-website bot)
[16:45] <czajkowski> jussi: context is a wonderful thing :)
[16:45] <jono> cjohnston, sure, one sec
[16:45] <czajkowski> jussi: not with me was earlier on someone had brought in their own random bot :)
[16:45] <jono> cjohnston, done
[16:45] <czajkowski> dear RT  you will be smacked if you d not obey me
[16:46] <jono> czajkowski, some prawn cocktail crisps would be awesome if you can pack them :-)
[16:46] <czajkowski> suhc a f'ugly system
[16:46] <czajkowski> jono: sure some PG also or are you ok for them ?
[16:46] <popey> haha, my kids love prawn cocktail crisps
[16:46] <jono> czajkowski, I am good for PG now, thanks, I can get them from Amazon :-)
[16:46] <czajkowski> popey: so do I but only the Skips kind!
[16:46] <popey> noooooo
[16:47] <jono> there ain't no prawn cocktail crisps in ameeeeeeeerica
[16:47] <czajkowski> jono: had the mothership bring me irish stuff last week, even stuff I cant get over here
[16:47] <jono> mmmm Skips
[16:47] <czajkowski> exactly
[16:47] <jono> czajkowski, :-)
[16:47] <jussi> I miss "chicken" crisps from australia... and real beef sausages
[16:47] <czajkowski> jono: this time dont open themm and have aq eat them all
[16:47] <jono> chicken crisps?
[16:47] <czajkowski> bacon fries!!!
[16:47] <popey> czajkowski: one of the parents at sophies school runs http://www.americansweets.co.uk/
[16:47] <jono> czajkowski, I am not going to let him anywhere near them
[16:47] <czajkowski> but they do give you an almighty thurst
[16:47] <jono> popey, cool :-)
[16:48] <czajkowski> popey: ojhhh
[16:48] <jono> Erica bought me a 48-count box of Reese's Peanut Butter Cups as a Christmas pressie
[16:48] <balloons> just finish the box?
[16:48] <jussi> jono: http://www.aussiefoodshop.com/catalog/item/5164910/6511928.htm
[16:49] <balloons> or still working on it? :-)
[16:49] <jono> jussi, :-)
[16:49] <jono> balloons, it keeps getting lighter
[16:49] <jussi> between those and these... http://www.aussiefoodshop.com/catalog/item/5164910/9172887.htm
[16:49] <jono> I think we might have an ant problem that takes them....
[16:49] <jussi> jono: calling yourself an ant again? :P
[16:49] <czajkowski> jono: I'd hardly call you an ant !
[16:49] <czajkowski> hahah
[16:49] <jono> lol
[16:49] <jussi> hah!
[16:49]  * jono is hungry
[16:50] <czajkowski> ohhhh cannot wait to go home and havr propper fresh brown bread
[16:50] <jono> fortunately there is a giant pot of soup in the fridge
[16:50] <czajkowski> some  white pudding
[16:50]  * jussi needs to run - off to feed the sheep...
[16:50] <jono> that is bigger than Erica
[16:50] <czajkowski> and propper saussages
[16:50] <jono> white pudding
[16:50] <jono> yikes
[16:50] <czajkowski> mmmm yummy
[16:50] <jono> that'll put hairs on your chest
[16:50] <jussi> oooh, i love white pudding
[16:50] <nigelb> ...
[16:50] <nigelb> what conversatio did I walk into
[16:50] <czajkowski> jussi: red lemonade!
[16:50] <jono> "all the shit they forgot to rinse out of the slaughteryard, delivered to your mouth"
[16:50] <jussi> anyways -> sheep
[16:51] <nigelb> g'nite jussi
[16:51] <jono> sheep?
[16:51] <jono> lol
 anyways -> sheep
[16:51] <jussi> jono: I have 4 sheep ;)
[16:51] <cjohnston> ty jono
[16:51] <jono> ok then
[16:51] <jono> :-)
[16:51] <jussi> Erkki, Hilda, Jessica and Iisak
[16:51] <jono> everyone needs a sheep called Hilda
[16:51] <jono> brb
[17:01] <daker> something new to me sabdfl is the lead designer at Canonical
[17:02] <cjohnston> with a title like sabdfl of course he is ;-)
[17:02] <nigelb> haha
[17:02] <nigelb> He's lead *
[17:05] <cjohnston> hehe
[17:05] <daker> i was reading the bbc article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16731071
[17:21] <jussi> right then. sheep have been fed
[17:27] <cjohnston> jussi: annoy jpds for me :-) please
[17:33] <czajkowski> nooo jpds is lovely please dont annoy he, he helps me whn I get stuck
[17:34] <cjohnston> jussi told me to annoy him
[17:34] <cjohnston> jussi: is it just #4 that has the issue?
[17:35] <jussi> cjohnston: I hvent checked if 2 is about, but I think its only 4
[17:35] <jussi> wait, looks like  2 also
[17:35] <jussi> both are tun by jpds
[17:35] <jussi> run*
[17:35] <cjohnston> are there 1 3 5?
[17:36] <jussi> wait, ubot2 just go renamed
[17:36] <jussi> its here - ubot2`
[17:36] <cjohnston> hrm
[17:36] <cjohnston> i wonder if maybe we can get him
[17:36] <jussi> careful ;)
[17:36] <cjohnston> what
[17:36] <jussi> !gender
[17:36] <ubot2`> yes, I can confirm I am a female bot :)
[17:36] <cjohnston> sorry
[17:36] <cjohnston> maybe we can get her
[17:37] <jussi> anyway, I can drop ubottu in for a while until ubot4 turns up
[17:37] <jussi> ping me or tsimpson_ to have her removed
[17:38] <jussi> or just kickban it
[17:39] <nigelb> please do
[17:39] <nigelb> we will feed her cookies and cakes
[17:43] <cjohnston> hehe
[18:09] <cprofitt> hey jalcine
[18:09] <jalcine> Hey cprofitt
[18:09] <jalcine> Funny, I wanted to mention an idea I had today, with a friend of mine.
[18:09] <cprofitt> what's your idea?
[18:10] <jalcine> We thought of putting up a booth over in Union Square with two black boxes.
[18:10] <jalcine> One had a Mac and another had Ubuntu.
[18:10] <dholbach> alrightie
[18:10] <dholbach> I'm out of here
[18:10] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[18:10] <dholbach> hugs hugs
[18:10] <jalcine> lol
[18:10] <cprofitt> ciao dholbach
[18:10] <jalcine> We'd put certain labels on the boxes like "$1500" or "sadfl"
[18:11] <cprofitt> jalcine: just for people to try?
[18:12] <jalcine> cprofitt: yup.
[18:12] <cprofitt> what would you be asking people?
[18:12] <jalcine> we were thinking about showing how easy it is to get applications for either system and compare them.
[18:12] <jalcine> My friend wants to use a Mac but I think that Mac OS X and Ubuntu's UI are starting to blend a lot nowadays.
[18:13] <jalcine> Especially with the Dash being a distant cousin (in looks only) of Spotlight.
[18:14] <jalcine> Largely about their experience, which do they feel get straight to the point and how would they see themselves using such a system.
[18:14] <jalcine> With Dash, a good of affective computing, users could just jump to their task.
[18:14] <cprofitt> sounds a bit like some of the usability testing that is done
[18:14] <cprofitt> would you have people staff the booth?
[18:14] <jalcine> usability turned showcasing.
[18:14] <jalcine> yeah, it'd be myself and perhaps a few friends.
[18:15] <cprofitt> if you do that it would be good to have two boxes that have the same hardware...
[18:15] <jalcine> just need to get a permit to hold the booth at Union since it's a high traffic spot.
[18:15] <cprofitt> sounds like an awesome idea
[18:15] <jalcine> yeah, that's why I wanted to use two laptops, preferably Hp.
[18:15] <cprofitt> it would be great if you had a monthly meeting scheduled in NYC too... that way if a person liked Ubuntu you could tell them about the meetings
[18:16] <cprofitt> Not sure you can legally run OS X on an HP
[18:16] <jalcine> Heh, no, I wanted to compare Windows against Ubuntu, but my friend thinks Mac OS X would be better because it's a less of a paradigm shift in UI.
[18:17] <cprofitt> I would compare to Widows IMHO
[18:17] <jalcine> cprofitt: hopefully, we could get something like that arranged in the coming weeks, summer's up.
[18:17] <cprofitt> and perhaps even use the Windows 8 Consumer Preview
[18:17] <cprofitt> ask them which upgrade they would prefer
[18:18] <jalcine> indeedy.
[18:18] <jalcine> One thing I think that'll stick is U1.
[18:18] <jalcine> I personally use it even under KDE and it's super handy.
[18:18] <M0hi> also, Just ask them one question: "Do you know what is happening on your machine?" ;P
[18:19] <cprofitt> If you have seen Windows 8 -- it will be a painful transition
[18:19] <jalcine> M0hi: good one!
[18:20] <jalcine> cprofitt: I've only seen pictures of the Metro UI.
[18:20] <jalcine> should download and fire it up in a VM.
[18:20] <cprofitt> jalcine: They have a free consumer preview available
[18:20] <M0hi> That's one of my favorites to start a session ^_^
[18:20] <cprofitt> I ran it in a VM and it is a complete shift in how to do things
[18:21] <jalcine> with the shares they have, they probably assume that people'll _have_ to use it.
[18:42] <jono> mhall119, if I deploy the accomplishments server to CanoniStack, do you feel confident these IP issues are resolved?
[18:42] <jono> mhall119, I need to deploy it somewhere for when I am away
[18:45] <balloons> jono, as long as it's deployed it's likely to stay up.. you may or may not be able to access it.. so .. hopefully your code is errorproof and stable
[18:45] <balloons> hehe.. selfaware wouldn't hurt etheir
[18:45] <jono> heh
[18:47] <jussi> I need a friendly licensed "beta" stamp picture - anyone got ideas?
[18:59] <mhall119> jono: I'm not confident at all, no
[18:59] <mhall119> I don't know what caused the issues in the first place, so I don't know whether they may happen again or not
[19:00] <jono> ok, thanks, mhall119
[19:06] <jalcine> Hey pangolin
[19:06] <jalcine> err. Pendulum
[19:08] <Pendulum> hi jalcine
[19:08]  * jussi waves to Pendulum
[19:08] <jalcine> oop, going for a cycle.
[19:15] <pleia2> speaking as an Xfce curmudgeon going back almost a decade and Xubuntu contributor who never even liked Gnome, I have to say that the Unity in 12.04 is finally really impressive
[19:17] <jussi> pleia2: :D
[19:17] <jussi> I might have to actually give it a try...
[19:18] <pleia2> I put it on my new laptop, jcastro's presentation at Ubucon at SCALE was very convincing and it's only improved since then :)
[19:18] <jussi> I do have it installed, just havent booted into it for ages.
[19:19] <jcastro> AWWWW YEAAAAHHHHH
[19:19] <jussi> pleia2: ooh, the 299 lappy? cool!
[19:19] <pleia2> jussi: yeah :)
[19:19] <jcastro> there's no denying the awesomeness of the keyboard shortcuts, it's just _nice_
[19:19] <pleia2> jcastro: yes!!
[19:19] <pleia2> and honestly, not being able to arrow down to get to an application after I searched for it drove me batty, fixed in 12.04 :D
[19:20] <pleia2> (and is really slick)
[19:20] <jussi> have they fixed the non binking cursor yet? that always threw me.
[19:21] <jcastro> pleia2, http://www.jorgecastro.org/2011/11/01/how-i-roll/
[19:21] <jussi> oh, btw, cheese + red wine == win
[19:22] <technoviking> I miss cheese and red wine:(
[19:24] <jussi> technoviking: why?
[19:24] <technoviking> diet
[19:24] <jussi> oh
[19:27] <jussi> well in anycase, this is a combined sheep/cows milk cheese - its very good :)
[19:45] <jcastro> hey Daviey
[19:54] <jcastro> I love how planet ubuntu knows to update exactly 1 minute before I need to do an edit
[20:54] <czajkowski> hehe
[20:54] <czajkowski> jcastro: happens me the whole time
[21:12] <bkerensa> jcastro: How can I juju bootstrap without a AWS instance?
[21:12] <bkerensa> I have this subway charm written but I wanna deploy it now and make sure it works :)
[21:51] <mhall119> bkerensa: you can do it with LXC I think, jcastro should be able to tell you
[21:53] <bkerensa> jcastro: I just had petersed the developer of subway look over my charm and he said it looks pretty precise :)
[21:54] <bkerensa> so jcastro how do I submit this bad boy to you ;P
[22:09] <jcastro> bkerensa, to test you need to set up juju with LXC or openstack
[22:09] <jcastro> unless you have a bunch of servers sitting around, use LXC
[22:10] <jcastro> to submit it, tag your subway bug with "new-charm" and it'll hit review
[22:10] <jcastro> bkerensa, for LXC follow this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/65359/how-do-i-configure-juju-for-local-usage
[22:10] <bkerensa> k
[22:10] <bkerensa> jcastro: I dont think there is a bug open... should I file one or could I just propose a merge?
[22:11] <jcastro> I filed it
[22:11] <jcastro> one sec
[22:11] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/944246
[22:11] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 944246 in charms "Charm Needed: Subway IRC client/server" [Undecided,New]
[22:12] <jcastro> you can just attach your branch there
[22:12] <jcastro> and one of our experienced charm representives will be along shortly to review
[22:13] <bkerensa> jcastro: --respository=(path to charm??)
[22:17] <balloons> ohh subway.. that looks really neat
[22:18]  * balloons thinks about what it would be like to replace his znc setup with such a thing
[22:19] <bkerensa> balloons: Exactly right
[22:19] <bkerensa> :D
[22:19] <bkerensa> we have a znc for our loco so once this accepted Ill nuke our aws instance and re-deploy with the charm
[22:20] <balloons> so it will persist properly.. and I can connect to it from my phone, desktop, laptop, etc?
[22:20] <balloons> and I can configure multi networks and nicknames?
[22:20] <balloons> and does it make pancakes!?!
[22:22] <bkerensa> balloons: you could do all of those things I believe except the pancakes :)
[22:23] <jcastro> bkerensa, --repository=.
[22:23] <jcastro> and then have it in oneiric/subway
[22:23] <jcastro> juju deploy --repository . local:subway
[22:23] <jcastro> should do the trick
[22:23] <balloons> yea, let me know how it goes the bkerensa and the charm
[22:24] <balloons> i have ec2 box i would replace znc with your charm for subway
[22:24] <jcastro> but the  charm needs to be in oneiric/subway from that root
[22:24] <jcastro> balloons, right, that's what I was thinking
[22:24] <jcastro> or stick it behind openid
[22:24] <jcastro> blam, instant "irc shells" for the project.
[22:24] <jcastro> dinner bbiab
[23:53] <jono> balloons, hey
[23:53] <jono> did you need me?