[01:15] <ali1234> oh great, the new catalyst driver is back with the old 100% cpu bug
[08:03] <DJones> Morning all
[08:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning. Quiet in here isn't it?
[08:19] <DJones> Yep
[08:19] <AlanBell> morning
[08:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hi DJones, AlanBell
[08:21] <DJones> Hi both of you and any late comers yet to awaken
[08:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Some of us have been up for *ages*
[08:22] <DJones> Define ages :)
[08:23] <DJones> To me, *ages* ago was my 6:30 alarm clock, but that'll be a lie in for others
[08:24] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:28]  * MartijnVdS likes "The Tube" (BBC)
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> I woke up around 06:00, made tea and coffeee by 06:15, in my office by 07:15
[08:35] <christel> good morning my lovelies
[08:35]  * dwatkins wanders in and bids everyone good morning
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> hellos!
[08:42] <czajkowski> christel: hello darling how are you?
[08:45] <christel> i am pretty well, yourself my dear? :D
[08:46] <czajkowski> ntb
[08:47] <christel> :D
[08:47] <christel> new job still good?
[08:48] <hoover> morning folks
[08:49] <czajkowski> christel: yup loving it
[08:49] <czajkowski> christel: even days I know what I'm doing :)
[08:51] <christel> haha
[08:51] <christel> morning hoover :)
[09:01] <popey> Morning all
[09:01] <christel> hello popey
[09:04]  * czajkowski hugs popey 
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> Is Alt+F2 broken for anyone else?
[09:21] <popey> wfm, but I haven't updated since yesterday
[09:21] <AlanBell> works for me
[09:21] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: wfm
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[09:21] <AlanBell> F10 is busted
[09:21] <popey> 5.4.0+bzr2074ubuntu0+654
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> 5.6.0-0ubuntu1
[09:22] <AlanBell> 5.6.0-0ubuntu1 for me too
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> Hmm
[09:22]  * popey updates
[09:23]  * popey notes packages from ppa:unity-team/staging are coming down
[09:23]  * MartijnVdS double-checks ccsm
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> "Key to execute a command" -> <Alt>F2
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> alt-tab is also broken.. Hmmm!
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> let me try the Windows solution first
[09:25] <popey> #blamehud
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> popey: I've disabled that key binding
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> and if I enable it alt+F2 works again
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> #filebug
[09:29] <AlanBell> bug 953853
[09:29] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 953853 in unity (Ubuntu) "F10 to focus on the menu/indicators doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/953853
[09:29] <JamesTait> Good morning, all! :D
[09:29] <christel> morning JamesTait :)
[09:31] <JamesTait> Hi christel. :)
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> Mine is bug 953855
[09:31] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 953855 in unity (Ubuntu) "Alt-combinations (Alt+Tab, Alt+F2) don't work if "Key to show HUD" is disabled or not set to <Alt>" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/953855
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> great, clock is gone too.
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> all applets really
[09:47] <daubers> Morning
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:49] <daubers> took me 1h 30m to do 10 miles this morning
[09:49] <daubers> stupid railway bridges
[09:49] <dwatkins> did you run it, daubers?
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I can almost run that fast
[09:49]  * dwatkins learned today that there are people who do runs of 100 miles in "one" go (i.e. 80 hours over several days, non-stop apart from sleeping etc.)
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Ultrarunners.. scary people :)
[09:51] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: yeah, colleague of mine apparently know the world record holder.
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: also http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00m3z1f
[09:51] <dwatkins> I think I amused my colleagues by pointing out that 'we' (as a species) used to do this sort of thing all the time when we lived in warmer climates where we'd ahve to run after our food.
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Yes. Humans _are_ the best endurance runners. When trained.
[09:52] <daubers> dwatkins: No, I drove it
[09:53] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/943223
[09:53] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 943223 in Unity Distro Priority "you have to release alt for alt + F10 working" [Medium,Fix committed]
[09:53] <popey> seems we're switching from F10 to ALT+F10 for menu
[09:53] <daubers> F10 brought up a menu?
[09:53] <popey> it used to
[09:54] <AlanBell> popey: ok, that works
[09:54] <daubers> I see...
[09:55] <dwatkins> daubers: ah, reminds me of the last time we had a couple cm of snow in Reading... ;)
[09:56] <daubers> dwatkins: This is because they've closed all the side roads off the A4 to Aldermaston to raise up the railway bridges
[09:56] <daubers> and there are traffic lights next to the little road that cuts back into aldermaston :)
[09:56] <daubers> Was queuing up to the Springbok this morning
[09:56] <daubers> Then someone at Thatcham threw themselves in front of a train, which caused more problems!
[09:58] <dwatkins> oh my :(
[09:58] <dwatkins> friend of mine works on the railway near there, I imagine he'll know all about it. Tragic.
[10:02] <diplo> Morning all
[10:05] <popey> anyone else use 12.04 with encrypted home (and thus encrypted swap)?
[10:05] <popey> bug 953875
[10:05] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 953875 in ecryptfs-utils (Ubuntu) "Encrypted swap no longer mounted at bootup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/953875
[10:05] <popey> no idea where to look
[10:11] <gord> huh encrypted swap, is that not really slow?
[10:12] <dwatkins> make it software RAID 5, just for fun?
[10:12] <popey> 8GB RAM, rarely use swap
[10:13] <popey> its the default if you switch on encrypted home
[10:13] <dwatkins> does an strace of swapon give any clues?
[10:14] <popey> well the bug shows that the crpytswap1 doesnt exist
[10:14] <gord> just wondering, why bother with swap at all then?
[10:16] <gordonjcp> heh
[10:16] <gordonjcp> encrypted disks
[10:16] <dwatkins> http://askubuntu.com/questions/56843/could-not-mount-dev-mapper-cryptswap1 - maybe it's just not encrypted
[10:16] <gordonjcp> great, if you're patient
[10:17] <gordonjcp> the easiest way to make *everything* CPU-bound
[10:17] <dwatkins> I can understand a locked-down configuration needing encrypted swap, so it's fair to have it as an option.
[10:17] <dwatkins> (if there's not a lot of RAM or only occasional need for large applications to run)
[10:18] <popey> gord: because some swap is better than no swap
[10:18] <gord> i'm of the opinion that in a modern environment, if something hits swap, chances are its going to hit a lot of swap, choking the system entirely
[10:19] <popey> in a modern "working correctly" environment, maybe
[10:19] <popey> I'd rather my apps didn't get OOM killed for the sake of a bit of disk space as swap
[10:19] <dwatkins> Is OOM still a bit of a lottery?
[10:20] <dwatkins> I guess there's no easy way to not make it a lottery.
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> Well OOM usually happens when something wants more memory
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> which usually happens because it's eating a lot of memory in a loop
[10:20]  * dwatkins nods
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> my last few OOMs killed the (already crashing) app
[10:21] <dwatkins> I've seen OOM happen when a job scheduler mistakenly put more jobs on a cluster node than it had RAM for, too.
[10:21] <dwatkins> That's kinda 'doh' though, obviously.
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> does anyone else get a big white "window" that isn't a window on their screen?
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> and it won't go away until you restart unity
[10:22] <dwatkins> been writing OpenGL applications, MartijnVdS?
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: no.. just opened a new Chrome tab
[10:23] <directhex> the oom killer has a fatal design flaw
[10:24] <directhex> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/qmzdy/so_um_i_think_my_syslog_is_threatening_me/c3yw31k
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: that edxplains my work machine's "going down in flames" sometimes
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: but not since I disabled swap :)
[10:25] <dwatkins> sounds familiar, directhex
[10:30] <popey> that AU answer looks wrong
[10:30] <dwatkins> I was surprised the device may end up not being encrypted when it should be
[10:31] <popey> its not showing up in blkid
[10:33] <popey> that au seems to assume you dont want encrypted swap
[10:48] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:05] <davmor2> morning all, czajkowski prod
[11:05] <diplo> AlanBell, TheOpenSourcerer : You guys use Alfresco don't you ?
[11:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo yes.
[11:06] <diplo> Do you use the ppa or just install from the bin file ?
[11:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Personally I break the bin and install in bits. But AlanBell is probably a better person on Alf than me.
[11:09] <diplo> kk thanks, just downloading now so will take a looksy
[11:09] <diplo> The PPA hasn't been updated since 10.04 so guessing it's a bit dead anyhoo
[11:10] <AlanBell> diplo: don't install from ppa or repos
[11:12] <diplo> OK ta, just creating a new VM and downloading precise/alfresco
[11:16] <diplo> Blimey, Community is 523mb :D
[11:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah - it has everything in it.
[11:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> MySQL, Tomcat, Java...
[11:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh yeah. And Alfresco :-)
[11:18] <AlanBell> postgres
[11:18] <AlanBell> not mysql now
[11:24] <diplo> ah right, so you can't use what you already have.. bit like Xampp package
[11:25] <diplo> Just finished downloading so will take a look shorylu
[11:25] <diplo> shortly*
[11:25] <AlanBell> diplo: yeah, sadly it is like that
[11:26] <diplo> Is it the only CMS you use ?
[11:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: You can - it's a bit of a pita but splitting the bits out is doable.
[11:27] <diplo> Basically I've heard you guys chat about it, I want some where to store all our work docs
[11:27] <diplo> And if possible make them searchable, if not make a more basic one wrote by myself but I really don't fancy the latter
[11:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Searching is something Alfresco is pretty good at. Solr+Lucene IIRC
[11:34] <diplo> thanks Alans x2
[11:34]  * diplo plays for a few hours
[11:46] <dotwaffle> mwah hah hah
[13:02] <meet> hi..i just installed the marlin file browser. But how to make it the default file browser and remove nautilus?
[13:06] <popey> gord: whats the keyboard combo to flip wifi off on the x220?
[13:06] <popey> I managed to punch some keys and it went off "Wireless is disabled"
[13:07] <popey> I had to flick the hardware switch off and back on to get it back!
[13:07] <popey> I think it was Fn and something in the top left but none of them have a wifi thing on
[13:07] <meet> try fn +f 2
[13:09] <popey> thats lock
[13:09] <popey> F1 is blank, F2 is lock, F2 is battery (power manager), F4 is suspend
[13:11] <dwatkins> F5, popey - http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/X-Series-ThinkPad-Laptops/Turn-Wireless-Radios-On-and-Off-on-X220/td-p/437941
[13:12] <popey> oh, so it is!
[13:12] <popey> i thought that was the one to switch external display on/off
[13:12] <popey> but thats f7
[13:12] <popey> ta
[13:12] <dwatkins> looks like you need their driver/app installed for this to work
[13:12] <popey> works for me :D
[13:12] <dwatkins> cool, makes me wonder what's marked on the F5 key
[13:13] <dwatkins> some arbitrary icon, no doubt ;)
[13:13] <meet> dwatkins any suggestions on how to set marlin as the default file browser?
[13:13] <dwatkins> meet: no, sorry
[13:13] <meet> ok..no worries
[13:14] <dwatkins> Mez: did you read this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager perhaps it'll help?
[13:14] <popey> he left
[13:15] <Mez> no I didn't
[13:37] <andylockran> hey all
[13:37] <popey> BARK BARK BARK BARK ANDYLOCKRAN BARK BARK
[13:37] <andylockran> Anyone got experience running apache + SQLServer with php ?
[13:37] <andylockran> good dog popey
[13:37]  * popey pants
[13:37] <BigRedS> ew
[13:38] <czajkowski> this channel gets stranger and stranger all  without the help of davmor2
[13:38] <popey> hah
[13:38] <andylockran> a client wants to run some of our code on his server, I've only used MySQL, Postgres & Oracle before
[13:38] <andylockran> was wondering how much of a potential pain it could be using mssql
[13:39] <BigRedS> it shouldn't care, that's the point of PDO isn't it?
[13:39] <davmor2> czajkowski: told you it was you :P
[13:39] <BigRedS> assuming the SQL you're running is MS friendly
[13:39] <andylockran> BigRedS: yeah, it shouldn't care.
[13:40] <andylockran> but will it :)
[13:43] <yossarianuk> obviously there is a risk of contracting computer AIDS by using any MS product...
[13:46] <oimon> always practice safe hex
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> oimon: so.. little-endian or big-endian? :)
[13:48] <andylockran> !family
[13:48] <andylockran> !familyfriendly
[13:48] <andylockran> !help
[13:48] <lubotu3`> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[13:49] <AlanBell> andylockran: lots of aliases for that one http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=family but not the one you were looking for :)
[15:13] <justalek> i need help with dual boot. I have ubuntu 11.10 and windows. Problem is, when I'am at boot splash screen and when I choose windows7loader from drop menu it cannot boot
[15:13] <andylockran> AlanBell: thanks :)
[16:05] <justalek> need help with dual boot. Anyone can help?
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> what's the problem?
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> does it give you an error message?
[16:06] <MartijnVdS> Did it work before?
[16:06] <justalek> i have ubuntu 11.10 and windows. The problem is when Im choose windows7loader from splash boot screen, it cannot boot win
[16:06] <justalek> it just do nothing
[16:07] <justalek> yes, it is work
[16:07] <justalek> no error message
[16:07] <MartijnVdS> Did it ever work?
[16:08] <justalek> yes
[16:08] <MartijnVdS> Did you change anything?
[16:08] <justalek> i have problem with graphic intel gma
[16:08] <justalek> and i change grub file
[16:09] <justalek> I just added this line in grub file: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="acpi_osi="
[16:11] <justalek> i was change to  GRUB_DEFAULT=6
[16:11] <justalek> it was GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[16:11] <justalek> but nothing happened
[16:17] <iclebyte> is there a repo or 'ppa' I can add to upgrade my kernel to 2.35.x ?
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> 2.35? Which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[16:18] <justalek> 11.10
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> also, you probably mean 2.6.35.x
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> justalek: And that would be a downgrade, as 11.10 comes with 3.0
[16:18] <iclebyte> i'm actually running 10.04LTS so 2.6.32-28-server at the moment, but yes I want to run 2.6.35.x
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> iclebyte:
[16:19]  * MartijnVdS confusne
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> iclebyte: no, you don't :) It'll probably break thing like udev horribly.
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> iclebyte: Only do that if you REALLY need the hardware support and can't use backported drivers
[16:19] <justalek> MartijnVdS: yes, i have 3.0
[16:19] <iclebyte> grr, i need a qlogic driver which is in 2.6.35
[16:20] <iclebyte> for a 10gigE fibre card
[16:43] <oimon> seen the latest ARM news?
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> the very tiny one?
[16:44] <oimon> despite Intel's bluff and marketing, ARM are always a step ahead
[16:45] <oimon> when it comes to low power chips
[17:27] <gord> arms chips aren't as low power as they would have you believe ;) they are just good at doing nothing
[17:29] <gordonjcp> gord: at some point I'll hook my LPC11U14 board up to a current shunt, and see...
[17:31] <gordonjcp> in other news, hell yeah, PWMed sine wave output
[17:31] <gord> in my experience, you hook an arm chip up to a "regular" computing experience and it eats up less, but not much less, than a regular intel laptop
[17:41] <davmor2> Moo!
[17:43] <davmor2> gord: yeah but isn't the most called item idle?
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> So.. anyone with Unity 5.6.0-0ubuntu3 have problems with their indicators?
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> My indicators are in a loop where they die, get restarted, etc. VERY fast
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> WARN  2012-03-13 19:02:22 unity <unknown>:0 Unable to perform Sync() on panel service: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> (says unity)
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> ah! it segfaults a lot
[19:46] <SuperEngineer> evenin all ;)  any kindle users out there? [coughs in popey 's direction] - for reading I assume ok - but do I go kindle or kindle fire?
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> I have a 'normal' kindle
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> it's amazing
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> weeks on one battery charge
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> (with wifi off)
[19:46] <SuperEngineer> woh - that *is* impressive
[19:47] <SuperEngineer> can it manage pdfs - I hear bad stuff about that
[19:49] <apacheuk> can confirm MartijnVdS observations re battery life, use mine every day during lunchbreaks
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> It can, but it prefers mobi
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> I use mine on train journeys
[19:50] <apacheuk> I would avoid the fire from what I hear its a fairly restricted version of android, I'd go for a full blown tablet if you what the extras that android can offer
[19:51] <SuperEngineer> as long as  "it can" [as in readable] - that's seems good enough for the occasional pdf methinks
[19:52] <SuperEngineer> don't need tablet - netbooks do me fine - so sounds like it's a normal kindle for SuperEngineer
[19:52] <SuperEngineer> thanks  MartijnVdS & apacheuk
[19:55] <apacheuk> question re the keyring file, presumably its encrypted... does anyone know to what level?
[19:56] <AlanBell> PKCS#11
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> that's not a level that's a method :)
[19:58] <AlanBell> true
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> it's an API even
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKCS11
[19:58] <apacheuk> AlanBell, cheers
[20:00] <apacheuk> I think it'll do tho, need to store some *sensitive* info and it seems like a good place
[20:24] <SuperEngineer> wheee! Ubuntu-Uk  podcast in 5 ;)
[20:28] <diplo> Anyone about to help someone having a stupid night ?
[20:29] <diplo> What would stop me pining localhost/127....
[20:29] <diplo> but ping6 ::1 works
[20:31] <bigcalm> One day I shall look at this ipv6 thingy
[20:35] <dwatkins> likewise
[20:35] <dwatkins> probably when I have to
[20:35] <diplo> Likewise :)
[20:49] <apacheuk> after school clubs? I remember learning to program after school in a computer club
[20:50] <apacheuk> everyone now needs ict skills, but not all want to program
[20:55] <diplo> apacheuk, think there is a podcast channel
[20:55] <apacheuk> yeah, just realised... not easy doing this on my phone :)
[20:56] <diplo> hwh
[20:56] <diplo> heh*
[20:57] <apacheuk> thought it was a bit quite :)
[21:53] <AlanBell> should rhythmbox and banshee be able to see music on an ipad that has been purchased from itunes?
[21:54] <AlanBell> and if you plug in an iPad and try and sync with banshee it wants to delete all the stuff on the iPad, which seems a bit harsh, isn't sync supposed to be a two way operation?
[21:56] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: banshee does
[21:56] <gordonjcp> I didn't find it tried to delete stuff off the iPod nano I tried it with
[21:57] <gordonjcp> rhythmbox deleted my entire MP3 collection, however
[21:57] <AlanBell> dad has a Bruce Springstein album on the iPad and it can't see it
[21:57] <AlanBell> yeah, rhythmbox wiped mums iPod which was a bit of a worry for a few minutes
[21:57] <gordonjcp> yeah
[21:58] <gordonjcp> like I say, it wiped my entire media server, apparently because it considered .ogg and .mp3 files to be invalid
[21:58] <gordonjcp> well, all the audio stuff anyway
[21:58] <AlanBell> I can navigate to the purchased folder on the iPad and see the .m4u files and play them
[21:58] <gordonjcp> I did think that maybe if Ubuntu are going to inflict rhythmbox on users from 12.04 on, they might have fixed some of the more egregious bugs
[21:58] <gordonjcp> but no
[21:59] <AlanBell> it doesn't see all the playlists, and all the music, but we are not sure which or why
[21:59] <gordonjcp> from 12.04 it appears that banshee is dropped in favour of the reanimated corpse of rhythmbox, with all the bugs it had five years ago when it was last worked on
[22:00] <AlanBell> well banshee is pretty much the same as rhythmbox, I struggle to choose between them
[22:00] <AlanBell> banshee did at least say that it was going to delete 600 files before actually doing so
[22:10] <directhex> AlanBell: which ios version? depends whether libidevice is sufficiently new. apple intentionally break support in every ios update
[22:11] <AlanBell> directhex: it is an iPad that was purchased for this christmas so probably an iPad 2, and using 12.04
[22:14] <diplo> Now it's a bit livelier in here,  any one got any suggestions why I can't ping localhost/127.0 ?
[22:14] <diplo> I think it may need to wait till morning and a full nights sleep
[22:14] <directhex> AlanBell: right, but that could be several versions of ios
[22:14] <diplo> Boy had me up all night :(
[22:15] <AlanBell> oh, I will try to find out then. I thought all the apple devices were upgraded at once or something, and they poke fun at android phones still waiting for ICS
[22:16] <AlanBell> what I don't understand is that it sees *most* of the music on the device
[22:16] <directhex> "Any device with DBVersion > 4 does NOT work. To check your DBVersion run "ideviceinfo -q com.apple.mobile.iTunes -k DBVersion"."
[22:16] <directhex> i.e. libimobiledevice only supports ios 4
[22:16] <directhex> for music symc
[22:17] <directhex> apple \o/
[22:18] <AlanBell> how come it doesn't totally fail?
[22:21] <AlanBell> 13.03.2012: iOS 5.1 works fine with libimobiledevice. hey, that is today :)
[22:41] <popey> evening
[22:43] <popey> AlanBell: is the music you can see stuff that has been copied onto the ipad, and stuff you can't see stuff that was bought?
[22:45] <AlanBell> dad thinks it is stuff that has happened since the last iTunes sync or something isn't visible
[22:53] <lazarus_> o/