| jrwren | snap-l: you listen to Laibach? | 01:12 |
|---|---|---|
| snap-l | A litt | 01:18 |
| snap-l | le | 01:18 |
| snap-l | I have Thus Spake John Paul II | 01:18 |
| snap-l | which is technically 300,000VK, but... ;) | 01:20 |
| jrwren | check out Volk | 01:20 |
| jrwren | soooo sweet | 01:20 |
| jrwren | its their interpretations of national anthems of various nations. | 01:21 |
| snap-l | Will check it out | 01:21 |
| snap-l | I love the concept of Laibach | 01:22 |
| snap-l | I had one album, though, that I couldn't get into | 01:22 |
| snap-l | trying to remember which one it was | 01:23 |
| snap-l | Gah, can't find it | 01:26 |
| jrwren | snap-l: me too. the albums are hit and miss with me. | 03:36 |
| jrwren | opus dei is great, but other I've heard i just can't stand. | 03:36 |
| jrwren | then i hear jesus christ superstar (laibach version) and its great. | 03:36 |
| jrwren | then i hear something else, and I can't stand it :) | 03:36 |
| jrwren | now I've heard Volk :) | 03:36 |
| rick_h_ | I'm getting htat feeling that I'm starting to abuse make...must find another way... | 03:37 |
| rick_h_ | oh wtf...it works | 03:37 |
| jrwren | i'm abusing virtualenv. | 03:37 |
| jrwren | putting each app in its own venv. | 03:37 |
| jrwren | running prod out of each little venv | 03:37 |
| jrwren | <3 it so much | 03:37 |
| rick_h_ | yea, that's what I do | 03:38 |
| rick_h_ | that's why there's very little in my system python | 03:38 |
| snap-l | jrwren: In other words, you're doing it right. :) | 03:44 |
| brousch | i discovered a package called 'kubuntu-low-fat-settings' and am giving it a try | 12:01 |
| jrwren | do you run on old shit hardware or someething ? | 12:13 |
| jrwren | how old and what specs? | 12:14 |
| jrwren | and what are you using it for? | 12:14 |
| brousch | dell latitude d630. 2GHZ dual core with 4GB | 12:14 |
| brousch | firefox, chrome, pidgin, vim, eclipse (android) | 12:15 |
| jrwren | that isn't even old. | 12:15 |
| jrwren | i mean, yes, it is. | 12:15 |
| brousch | i know, so it sucks when i start swapping | 12:15 |
| brousch | 4GB should be enough for anyone! | 12:15 |
| jrwren | but 4GB and you swap? | 12:15 |
| jrwren | oh... eclipse. | 12:15 |
| jrwren | get a new laptop. | 12:15 |
| brousch | yeah, chrome is mostly the culprit | 12:15 |
| jrwren | o_O | 12:15 |
| brousch | i rarely use eclipse | 12:15 |
| jrwren | my chrome barele gets above 200MB used | 12:15 |
| jrwren | how many tabs do you leave open? | 12:16 |
| brousch | always at least 4: gmail, gcal, g+, hootsuite | 12:16 |
| jrwren | i ask all this because my brand new laptop from last week only has 4GB ram. I actually downgraded on RAM after 2.5yrs with an 8GB notebook | 12:16 |
| brousch | then up to 20 during the day | 12:17 |
| jrwren | and how high does its memory usage get? | 12:17 |
| brousch | well i did not have this ram problem with unity, gnome shell, or xfce | 12:17 |
| jrwren | is it an old less efficient chrome? | 12:17 |
| brousch | it is current chrome | 12:17 |
| jrwren | b.s. a different shell is not going to make chrome use more memory. | 12:17 |
| jrwren | all the desktop shells should only use a few MB | 12:17 |
| jrwren | what shell are you running that takes more than a few MB? | 12:18 |
| brousch | when i booted up with no programs open it was using about 590MB | 12:18 |
| brousch | well, dropbox was syncing | 12:18 |
| jrwren | ah, dropbox can be a pig can't it? like 128MB ? | 12:18 |
| jrwren | i dunno... i'd just judiciously watch top and stop running anything that eats my memory. | 12:19 |
| brousch | looking at top, FF is using 6%, and there are 12 instances of chrome using a collective 20% | 12:20 |
| brousch | with 8 chrome tabs open | 12:20 |
| brousch | chrome:memory says it's using almost 800MB | 12:20 |
| brousch | i think it's because i don't use any actual qt programs. everything is gtk running on kde | 12:22 |
| jrwren | poor brousch | 13:02 |
| brousch | eh? | 13:04 |
| jrwren | 800MB chrome :( | 13:16 |
| jrwren | aurora 253MB, chrome 38MB <-- my browser usage right now. | 13:16 |
| brousch | for all of chrome? | 13:17 |
| brousch | is that from top or chrome://memory ? | 13:17 |
| jrwren | top | 13:19 |
| jrwren | hint: i have no chrome windows open :) | 13:19 |
| brousch | :P | 13:19 |
| jrwren | good call though... chrome://memory says 106/293/49 | 13:19 |
| jrwren | seen chrome://net-internals/ ? | 13:20 |
| brousch | gmail is my big hog. over 200MB just for that tab | 13:20 |
| brousch | geez | 13:21 |
| jrwren | another reason i don't use gmail :) | 13:22 |
| jrwren | my mail app pointed to gmail and 2 imap accounts is 128MB | 13:22 |
| brousch | i would have to rethink my whole workspace usage | 13:24 |
| brousch | but it might be worth it | 13:26 |
| snap-l | Hello there. | 13:32 |
| snap-l | Squeezebox presentation tonight. :) | 13:32 |
| snap-l | Be there, get stuff. | 13:32 |
| brousch | can i get details on entering the sweepstakes without being present | 13:33 |
| snap-l | brousch: I'll send you something in the mail | 13:34 |
| brousch | excellent | 13:34 |
| * brousch somehow suspects he's going to win a box of 1000 more ubuntu 11.04 CDs | 13:35 | |
| snap-l | brousch: Nah, coupon code for Logitech products. | 13:35 |
| snap-l | I'll send one when I get home. | 13:36 |
| jrwren | i want vimpyflakes for js now... jslint with vim or something | 14:13 |
| brousch | so far this kubuntu-low-fat-settings is working out well | 15:47 |
| jrwren | what does it do? | 15:48 |
| brousch | Turns off compositing by default; Reduces the number of Krunner plugins loaded by default; Reduce the amount of effects used in the window decoration; Disables the automatic loading of various system modules – such as the free space notifier, Nepomuk services, and others | 15:52 |
| snap-l | Brings up LXDE, says "Screw you" | 15:53 |
| brousch | actually that's what i'm trying next on the NC | 15:54 |
| snap-l | Yeah, that should work | 15:55 |
| brousch | it sounds like wordpress has another rash of malware infestations | 15:56 |
| _stink_ | there's a cream for that. | 15:58 |
| brousch | it's called "python" | 15:59 |
| _stink_ | :P | 15:59 |
| brousch | snap-l: have you tried lxde? | 16:00 |
| snap-l | Not personally, no | 16:02 |
| rick_h_ | morning | 16:12 |
| rick_h_ | gotta love sprints, they start later and later each day lol | 16:12 |
| jrwren | oh? | 16:25 |
| jrwren | you do daily sprints?o_O ? | 16:25 |
| rick_h_ | yea, after pycon is 4 days of sprints provided by the conf | 16:25 |
| rick_h_ | entering day 2...pretty empty so far today | 16:25 |
| jrwren | oh, different kind of sprints then :) | 16:29 |
| jrwren | not scrum sprints | 16:29 |
| rick_h_ | yea no, just coding sprints | 16:30 |
| jrwren | cool | 16:31 |
| jrwren | what ya hacking on? | 16:31 |
| jcastro | he's charming bookie | 16:33 |
| jcastro | right? RIGHT? | 16:33 |
| rick_h_ | something like that | 16:33 |
| jrwren | sweet | 16:37 |
| snap-l | This angers me: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/03/stop-innovating-please-kaleidescape-loses-dvd-ripping-case.ars | 16:44 |
| jrwren | their fault for entering into dvd licensing agreement at all. | 16:46 |
| jrwren | i'll continue to just download movies. :) | 16:47 |
| jrwren | its not stealing, its not piracy :) | 16:47 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Yeah, shame on them to try and play above-board. | 16:49 |
| snap-l | Meanwhile someone gets slapped because content companies managed to put CSS on DVDs | 16:49 |
| jrwren | huh? | 16:54 |
| jrwren | they entered an agreement, they broke it. seems simple to me. | 16:54 |
| snap-l | Yeah, and if DVDs weren't encrypted, this would be a non-issue. | 16:55 |
| snap-l | "Imagine a world where Apple wasn't allowed to build the iPod because Sony wanted a 'level playing field' for the Walkman" | 16:57 |
| brousch | oooooh, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/2012-03-13%2013.07.12.png | 17:05 |
| snap-l | Fire up GIMP! :) | 17:06 |
| brousch | installing firefox | 17:06 |
| brousch | yeah, gimp should be fiun to use on a touch screen | 17:06 |
| brousch | this seems more stable than the others i tried | 17:07 |
| snap-l | I won't believe it's yours until I see Firefox with a copy of today's Grand Rapids Press, and a GIMP window open with the words "Alea iacta est" enscribed in Liberation Mono. | 17:08 |
| snap-l | Only then will I believe. | 17:08 |
| brousch | gr press uses mlive now | 17:08 |
| snap-l | That's fine too. :) | 17:09 |
| snap-l | http://www.mlive.com/grpress/ | 17:09 |
| brousch | definitely not the fastest device | 17:20 |
| brousch | took at least 30s to start FF | 17:21 |
| snap-l | brousch: Try running LXDE on a P2. I'm sure it's comparable. | 17:21 |
| brousch | you would choose the super-bloated and annoying mlive, wouldn't you | 17:22 |
| brousch | snap-l: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/2012-03-13%2014.02.18.png | 17:58 |
| brousch | gimp is definitely not fun on a touchscreen | 17:59 |
| brousch | at least not on a small one | 17:59 |
| brousch | oh, and i didn't have liberation mono installed so i went with dejau sans bold | 18:00 |
| _stink_ | that's awesome. | 18:00 |
| brousch | maybe i can give it some touchscreen love with theme changes. make buttons bigger | 18:02 |
| rick_h_ | what? install liberation mono! | 18:02 |
| brousch | rick_h_: it took 30mins just to install gimp! | 18:02 |
| rick_h_ | dude, sudo apt-get install liberation-ttf | 18:03 |
| rick_h_ | sorry, ttf-liberation | 18:03 |
| rick_h_ | must have fonts | 18:03 |
| snap-l | brousch: Doesn't count. :) | 18:04 |
| snap-l | Actually, I was half-joking, but damn that is awesome. :) | 18:04 |
| snap-l | Just ordered some public-domain music. :) | 18:05 |
| snap-l | http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.110601 <- can't order it directly from Naxos, though, because of screwball copyright | 18:06 |
| brousch | and now it's out of memory | 18:07 |
| snap-l | greg-g: tricky (c) question for you if you have a moment | 18:23 |
| snap-l | if someone takes a piece of music that has entered the public domain, and cleans it up a tad, can they claim copyright on the cleaned up version? | 18:25 |
| snap-l | n/m, found my answer: http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:No_Sweat_of_the_Brow_Copyright | 18:26 |
| snap-l | interesting | 18:26 |
| snap-l | http://www.naxos.com/SharedFiles/pdf/rear/8.110601r.pdf# | 18:27 |
| greg-g | :) | 18:42 |
| greg-g | one sec | 18:42 |
| greg-g | snap-l: so, people "claim" copyright on that shit all the time, but would it stand up in court? Probably not | 18:46 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid_cookbook/en/latest/deployment/heroku.html | 18:46 |
| brousch | heh, they're pushing cherrypy/ | 18:49 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but you can swap that with gunicorn | 18:50 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Yeah, that's what I thought. | 18:52 |
| brousch | my conclusion: it works, but it's too slow to be really useful | 19:41 |
| _stink_ | in general, or using the gimp? | 19:43 |
| brousch | in general | 19:43 |
| brousch | everything GUI is slow | 19:43 |
| brousch | might be useful for command line stuff | 19:43 |
| brousch | you have all of the linux command line programs | 19:44 |
| brousch | including vim | 19:44 |
| snap-l | brousch: Wonder if it's using a non-optimized driver? | 19:44 |
| jrwren | on what are you running? | 19:44 |
| jrwren | your d630? | 19:45 |
| brousch | jrwren: nook color | 19:45 |
| brousch | snap-l: the graphics are fine. everything seems to peg the CPU | 19:45 |
| snap-l | brousch: Right, because it's not able to take advantage of hardware optimization | 19:46 |
| brousch | also i hit the ram limit if i run more than 2 things | 19:46 |
| snap-l | so in essence it's having to dump that work on the CPU | 19:46 |
| brousch | ah, maybe | 19:46 |
| snap-l | But the real question is can it play Doom? | 19:47 |
| brousch | doom hasn't been ported to android yet? | 19:48 |
| snap-l | https://github.com/halgari/clojure-py | 20:01 |
| snap-l | I think my head just exploded. | 20:01 |
| jrwren | beautiful isn't it? | 20:05 |
| snap-l | It's buggy, though | 20:07 |
| snap-l | Just running (def x 6) \n (def y 36) caused it to puke | 20:08 |
| jrwren | ouch | 20:16 |
| Blazeix | I bet static typing would have caught that error | 20:33 |
| snap-l | Blazeix: Har har | 20:41 |
| brousch | i got openbox and firefox running from the chroot using the android xserver | 20:41 |
| brousch | can't click anything though | 20:41 |
| snap-l | brousch: Your tenacity amazes me | 20:45 |
| brousch | that was easy | 20:45 |
| brousch | kill vnc in the chroot; export DISPLAY=localhost:0; start android xserver; openbox&; firefox | 20:46 |
| jrwren | ocaml-py would be impressive :p | 21:08 |
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