[01:12] <jrwren> snap-l: you listen to Laibach?
[01:18] <snap-l> A litt
[01:18] <snap-l> le
[01:18] <snap-l> I have Thus Spake John Paul II
[01:20] <snap-l> which is technically 300,000VK, but... ;)
[01:20] <jrwren> check out Volk
[01:20] <jrwren> soooo sweet
[01:21] <jrwren> its their interpretations of national anthems of various nations.
[01:21] <snap-l> Will check it out
[01:22] <snap-l> I love the concept of Laibach
[01:22] <snap-l> I had one album, though, that I couldn't get into
[01:23] <snap-l> trying to remember which one it was
[01:26] <snap-l> Gah, can't find it
[03:36] <jrwren> snap-l: me too. the albums are hit and miss with me.
[03:36] <jrwren> opus dei is great, but other I've heard i just can't stand.
[03:36] <jrwren> then i hear jesus christ superstar (laibach version) and its great.
[03:36] <jrwren> then i hear something else, and I can't stand it :)
[03:36] <jrwren> now I've heard Volk :)
[03:37] <rick_h_> I'm getting htat feeling that I'm starting to abuse make...must find another way...
[03:37] <rick_h_> oh wtf...it works
[03:37] <jrwren> i'm abusing virtualenv.
[03:37] <jrwren> putting each app in its own venv.
[03:37] <jrwren> running prod out of each little venv
[03:37] <jrwren> <3 it so much
[03:38] <rick_h_> yea, that's what I do
[03:38] <rick_h_> that's why there's very little in my system python
[03:44] <snap-l> jrwren: In other words, you're doing it right. :)
[12:01] <brousch> i discovered a package called 'kubuntu-low-fat-settings' and am giving it a try
[12:13] <jrwren> do you run on old shit hardware or someething ?
[12:14] <jrwren> how old and what specs?
[12:14] <jrwren> and what are you using it for?
[12:14] <brousch> dell latitude d630. 2GHZ dual core with 4GB
[12:15] <brousch> firefox, chrome, pidgin, vim, eclipse (android)
[12:15] <jrwren> that isn't even old.
[12:15] <jrwren> i mean, yes, it is.
[12:15] <brousch> i know, so it sucks when i start swapping
[12:15] <brousch> 4GB should be enough for anyone!
[12:15] <jrwren> but 4GB and you swap?
[12:15] <jrwren> oh... eclipse.
[12:15] <jrwren> get a new laptop.
[12:15] <brousch> yeah, chrome is mostly the culprit
[12:15] <jrwren> o_O
[12:15] <brousch> i rarely use eclipse
[12:15] <jrwren> my chrome barele gets above 200MB used
[12:16] <jrwren> how many tabs do you leave open?
[12:16] <brousch> always at least 4: gmail, gcal, g+, hootsuite
[12:16] <jrwren> i ask all this because my brand new laptop from last week only has 4GB ram. I actually downgraded on RAM after 2.5yrs with an 8GB notebook
[12:17] <brousch> then up to 20 during the day
[12:17] <jrwren> and how high does its memory usage get?
[12:17] <brousch> well i did not have this ram problem with unity, gnome shell, or xfce
[12:17] <jrwren> is it an old less efficient chrome?
[12:17] <brousch> it is current chrome
[12:17] <jrwren> b.s. a different shell is not going to make chrome use more memory.
[12:17] <jrwren> all the desktop shells should only use a few MB
[12:18] <jrwren> what shell are you running that takes more than a few MB?
[12:18] <brousch> when i booted up with no programs open it was using about 590MB
[12:18] <brousch> well, dropbox was syncing
[12:18] <jrwren> ah, dropbox can be a pig can't it?  like 128MB ?
[12:19] <jrwren> i dunno... i'd just judiciously watch top and stop running anything that eats my memory.
[12:20] <brousch> looking at top, FF is using 6%, and there are 12 instances of chrome using a collective 20%
[12:20] <brousch> with 8 chrome tabs open
[12:20] <brousch> chrome:memory says it's using almost 800MB
[12:22] <brousch> i think it's because i don't use any actual qt programs. everything is gtk running on kde
[13:02] <jrwren> poor brousch
[13:04] <brousch> eh?
[13:16] <jrwren> 800MB chrome :(
[13:16] <jrwren> aurora 253MB, chrome 38MB   <-- my browser usage right now.
[13:17] <brousch> for all of chrome?
[13:17] <brousch> is that from top or chrome://memory ?
[13:19] <jrwren> top
[13:19] <jrwren> hint: i have no chrome windows open :)
[13:19] <brousch> :P
[13:19] <jrwren> good call though... chrome://memory says 106/293/49
[13:20] <jrwren> seen chrome://net-internals/ ?
[13:20] <brousch> gmail is my big hog. over 200MB just for that tab
[13:21] <brousch> geez
[13:22] <jrwren> another reason i don't use gmail :)
[13:22] <jrwren> my mail app pointed to gmail and 2 imap accounts is 128MB
[13:24] <brousch> i would have to rethink my whole workspace usage
[13:26] <brousch> but it might be worth it
[13:32] <snap-l> Hello there.
[13:32] <snap-l> Squeezebox presentation tonight. :)
[13:32] <snap-l> Be there, get stuff.
[13:33] <brousch> can i get details on entering the sweepstakes without being present
[13:34] <snap-l> brousch: I'll send you something in the mail
[13:34] <brousch> excellent
[13:35]  * brousch somehow suspects he's going to win a box of 1000 more ubuntu 11.04 CDs
[13:35] <snap-l> brousch: Nah, coupon code for Logitech products.
[13:36] <snap-l> I'll send one when I get home.
[14:13] <jrwren> i want vimpyflakes for js now... jslint with vim or something
[15:47] <brousch> so far this kubuntu-low-fat-settings is working out well
[15:48] <jrwren> what does it do?
[15:52] <brousch> Turns off compositing by default; Reduces the number of Krunner plugins loaded by default; Reduce the amount of effects used in the window decoration; Disables the automatic loading of various system modules – such as the free space notifier, Nepomuk services, and others
[15:53] <snap-l> Brings up LXDE, says "Screw you"
[15:54] <brousch> actually that's what i'm trying next on the NC
[15:55] <snap-l> Yeah, that should work
[15:56] <brousch> it sounds like wordpress has another rash of malware infestations
[15:58] <_stink_> there's a cream for that.
[15:59] <brousch> it's called "python"
[15:59] <_stink_> :P
[16:00] <brousch> snap-l: have you tried lxde?
[16:02] <snap-l> Not personally, no
[16:12] <rick_h_> morning
[16:12] <rick_h_> gotta love sprints, they start later and later each day lol
[16:25] <jrwren> oh?
[16:25] <jrwren> you do daily sprints?o_O ?
[16:25] <rick_h_> yea, after pycon is 4 days of sprints provided by the conf
[16:25] <rick_h_> entering day 2...pretty empty so far today
[16:29] <jrwren> oh, different kind of sprints then :)
[16:29] <jrwren> not scrum sprints
[16:30] <rick_h_> yea no, just coding sprints
[16:31] <jrwren> cool
[16:31] <jrwren> what ya hacking on?
[16:33] <jcastro> he's charming bookie
[16:33] <jcastro> right? RIGHT?
[16:33] <rick_h_> something like that
[16:37] <jrwren> sweet
[16:44] <snap-l> This angers me: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/03/stop-innovating-please-kaleidescape-loses-dvd-ripping-case.ars
[16:46] <jrwren> their fault for entering into dvd licensing agreement at all.
[16:47] <jrwren> i'll continue to just download movies. :)
[16:47] <jrwren> its not stealing, its not piracy :)
[16:49] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, shame on them to try and play above-board.
[16:49] <snap-l> Meanwhile someone gets slapped because content companies managed to put CSS on DVDs
[16:54] <jrwren> huh?
[16:54] <jrwren> they entered an agreement, they broke it. seems simple to me.
[16:55] <snap-l> Yeah, and if DVDs weren't encrypted, this would be a non-issue.
[16:57] <snap-l> "Imagine a world where Apple wasn't allowed to build the iPod because Sony wanted a 'level playing field' for the Walkman"
[17:05] <brousch> oooooh, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/2012-03-13%2013.07.12.png
[17:06] <snap-l> Fire up GIMP! :)
[17:06] <brousch> installing firefox
[17:06] <brousch> yeah, gimp should be fiun to use on a touch screen
[17:07] <brousch> this seems more stable than the others i tried
[17:08] <snap-l> I won't believe it's yours until I see Firefox with a copy of today's Grand Rapids Press, and a GIMP window open with the words "Alea iacta est" enscribed in Liberation Mono.
[17:08] <snap-l> Only then will I believe.
[17:08] <brousch> gr press uses mlive now
[17:09] <snap-l> That's fine too. :)
[17:09] <snap-l> http://www.mlive.com/grpress/
[17:20] <brousch> definitely not the fastest device
[17:21] <brousch> took at least 30s to start FF
[17:21] <snap-l> brousch: Try running LXDE on a P2. I'm sure it's comparable.
[17:22] <brousch> you would choose the super-bloated and annoying mlive, wouldn't you
[17:58] <brousch> snap-l: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/2012-03-13%2014.02.18.png
[17:59] <brousch> gimp is definitely not fun on a touchscreen
[17:59] <brousch> at least not on a small one
[18:00] <brousch> oh, and i didn't have liberation mono installed so i went with dejau sans bold
[18:00] <_stink_> that's awesome.
[18:02] <brousch> maybe i can give it some touchscreen love with theme changes. make buttons bigger
[18:02] <rick_h_> what? install liberation mono!
[18:02] <brousch> rick_h_: it took 30mins just to install gimp!
[18:03] <rick_h_> dude, sudo apt-get install liberation-ttf
[18:03] <rick_h_> sorry, ttf-liberation
[18:03] <rick_h_> must have fonts
[18:04] <snap-l> brousch: Doesn't count. :)
[18:04] <snap-l> Actually, I was half-joking, but damn that is awesome. :)
[18:05] <snap-l> Just ordered some public-domain music. :)
[18:06] <snap-l> http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.110601 <- can't order it directly from Naxos, though, because of screwball copyright
[18:07] <brousch> and now it's out of memory
[18:23] <snap-l> greg-g: tricky (c) question for you if you have a moment
[18:25] <snap-l> if someone takes a piece of music that has entered the public domain, and cleans it up a tad, can they claim copyright on the cleaned up version?
[18:26] <snap-l> n/m, found my answer: http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:No_Sweat_of_the_Brow_Copyright
[18:26] <snap-l> interesting
[18:27] <snap-l> http://www.naxos.com/SharedFiles/pdf/rear/8.110601r.pdf#
[18:42] <greg-g> :)
[18:42] <greg-g> one sec
[18:46] <greg-g> snap-l: so, people "claim" copyright on that shit all the time, but would it stand up in court? Probably not
[18:46] <rick_h_> brousch: http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid_cookbook/en/latest/deployment/heroku.html
[18:49] <brousch> heh, they're pushing cherrypy/
[18:50] <rick_h_> yea, but you can swap that with gunicorn
[18:52] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, that's what I thought.
[19:41] <brousch> my conclusion: it works, but it's too slow to be really useful
[19:43] <_stink_> in general, or using the gimp?
[19:43] <brousch> in general
[19:43] <brousch> everything GUI is slow
[19:43] <brousch> might be useful for command line stuff
[19:44] <brousch> you have all of the linux command line programs
[19:44] <brousch> including vim
[19:44] <snap-l> brousch: Wonder if it's using a non-optimized driver?
[19:44] <jrwren> on what are you running?
[19:45] <jrwren> your d630?
[19:45] <brousch> jrwren: nook color
[19:45] <brousch> snap-l: the graphics are fine. everything seems to peg the CPU
[19:46] <snap-l> brousch: Right, because it's not able to take advantage of hardware optimization
[19:46] <brousch> also i hit the ram limit if i run more than 2 things
[19:46] <snap-l> so in essence it's having to dump that work on the CPU
[19:46] <brousch> ah, maybe
[19:47] <snap-l> But the real question is can it play Doom?
[19:48] <brousch> doom hasn't been ported to android yet?
[20:01] <snap-l> https://github.com/halgari/clojure-py
[20:01] <snap-l> I think my head just exploded.
[20:05] <jrwren> beautiful isn't it?
[20:07] <snap-l> It's buggy, though
[20:08] <snap-l> Just running (def x 6) \n (def y 36) caused it to puke
[20:16] <jrwren> ouch
[20:33] <Blazeix> I bet static typing would have caught that error
[20:41] <snap-l> Blazeix: Har har
[20:41] <brousch> i got openbox and firefox running from the chroot using the android xserver
[20:41] <brousch> can't click anything though
[20:45] <snap-l> brousch: Your tenacity amazes me
[20:45] <brousch> that was easy
[20:46] <brousch> kill vnc in the chroot; export DISPLAY=localhost:0; start android xserver; openbox&; firefox
[21:08] <jrwren> ocaml-py would be impressive :p