[01:12] snap-l: you listen to Laibach? [01:18] A litt [01:18] le [01:18] I have Thus Spake John Paul II [01:20] which is technically 300,000VK, but... ;) [01:20] check out Volk [01:20] soooo sweet [01:21] its their interpretations of national anthems of various nations. [01:21] Will check it out [01:22] I love the concept of Laibach [01:22] I had one album, though, that I couldn't get into [01:23] trying to remember which one it was [01:26] Gah, can't find it [03:36] snap-l: me too. the albums are hit and miss with me. [03:36] opus dei is great, but other I've heard i just can't stand. [03:36] then i hear jesus christ superstar (laibach version) and its great. [03:36] then i hear something else, and I can't stand it :) [03:36] now I've heard Volk :) [03:37] I'm getting htat feeling that I'm starting to abuse make...must find another way... [03:37] oh wtf...it works [03:37] i'm abusing virtualenv. [03:37] putting each app in its own venv. [03:37] running prod out of each little venv [03:37] <3 it so much [03:38] yea, that's what I do [03:38] that's why there's very little in my system python [03:44] jrwren: In other words, you're doing it right. :) [12:01] i discovered a package called 'kubuntu-low-fat-settings' and am giving it a try [12:13] do you run on old shit hardware or someething ? [12:14] how old and what specs? [12:14] and what are you using it for? [12:14] dell latitude d630. 2GHZ dual core with 4GB [12:15] firefox, chrome, pidgin, vim, eclipse (android) [12:15] that isn't even old. [12:15] i mean, yes, it is. [12:15] i know, so it sucks when i start swapping [12:15] 4GB should be enough for anyone! [12:15] but 4GB and you swap? [12:15] oh... eclipse. [12:15] get a new laptop. [12:15] yeah, chrome is mostly the culprit [12:15] o_O [12:15] i rarely use eclipse [12:15] my chrome barele gets above 200MB used [12:16] how many tabs do you leave open? [12:16] always at least 4: gmail, gcal, g+, hootsuite [12:16] i ask all this because my brand new laptop from last week only has 4GB ram. I actually downgraded on RAM after 2.5yrs with an 8GB notebook [12:17] then up to 20 during the day [12:17] and how high does its memory usage get? [12:17] well i did not have this ram problem with unity, gnome shell, or xfce [12:17] is it an old less efficient chrome? [12:17] it is current chrome [12:17] b.s. a different shell is not going to make chrome use more memory. [12:17] all the desktop shells should only use a few MB [12:18] what shell are you running that takes more than a few MB? [12:18] when i booted up with no programs open it was using about 590MB [12:18] well, dropbox was syncing [12:18] ah, dropbox can be a pig can't it? like 128MB ? [12:19] i dunno... i'd just judiciously watch top and stop running anything that eats my memory. [12:20] looking at top, FF is using 6%, and there are 12 instances of chrome using a collective 20% [12:20] with 8 chrome tabs open [12:20] chrome:memory says it's using almost 800MB [12:22] i think it's because i don't use any actual qt programs. everything is gtk running on kde [13:02] poor brousch [13:04] eh? [13:16] 800MB chrome :( [13:16] aurora 253MB, chrome 38MB <-- my browser usage right now. [13:17] for all of chrome? [13:17] is that from top or chrome://memory ? [13:19] top [13:19] hint: i have no chrome windows open :) [13:19] :P [13:19] good call though... chrome://memory says 106/293/49 [13:20] seen chrome://net-internals/ ? [13:20] gmail is my big hog. over 200MB just for that tab [13:21] geez [13:22] another reason i don't use gmail :) [13:22] my mail app pointed to gmail and 2 imap accounts is 128MB [13:24] i would have to rethink my whole workspace usage [13:26] but it might be worth it [13:32] Hello there. [13:32] Squeezebox presentation tonight. :) [13:32] Be there, get stuff. [13:33] can i get details on entering the sweepstakes without being present [13:34] brousch: I'll send you something in the mail [13:34] excellent [13:35] * brousch somehow suspects he's going to win a box of 1000 more ubuntu 11.04 CDs [13:35] brousch: Nah, coupon code for Logitech products. [13:36] I'll send one when I get home. [14:13] i want vimpyflakes for js now... jslint with vim or something [15:47] so far this kubuntu-low-fat-settings is working out well [15:48] what does it do? [15:52] Turns off compositing by default; Reduces the number of Krunner plugins loaded by default; Reduce the amount of effects used in the window decoration; Disables the automatic loading of various system modules – such as the free space notifier, Nepomuk services, and others [15:53] Brings up LXDE, says "Screw you" [15:54] actually that's what i'm trying next on the NC [15:55] Yeah, that should work [15:56] it sounds like wordpress has another rash of malware infestations [15:58] <_stink_> there's a cream for that. [15:59] it's called "python" [15:59] <_stink_> :P [16:00] snap-l: have you tried lxde? [16:02] Not personally, no [16:12] morning [16:12] gotta love sprints, they start later and later each day lol [16:25] oh? [16:25] you do daily sprints?o_O ? [16:25] yea, after pycon is 4 days of sprints provided by the conf [16:25] entering day 2...pretty empty so far today [16:29] oh, different kind of sprints then :) [16:29] not scrum sprints [16:30] yea no, just coding sprints [16:31] cool [16:31] what ya hacking on? [16:33] he's charming bookie [16:33] right? RIGHT? [16:33] something like that [16:37] sweet [16:44] This angers me: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/03/stop-innovating-please-kaleidescape-loses-dvd-ripping-case.ars [16:46] their fault for entering into dvd licensing agreement at all. [16:47] i'll continue to just download movies. :) [16:47] its not stealing, its not piracy :) [16:49] jrwren: Yeah, shame on them to try and play above-board. [16:49] Meanwhile someone gets slapped because content companies managed to put CSS on DVDs [16:54] huh? [16:54] they entered an agreement, they broke it. seems simple to me. [16:55] Yeah, and if DVDs weren't encrypted, this would be a non-issue. [16:57] "Imagine a world where Apple wasn't allowed to build the iPod because Sony wanted a 'level playing field' for the Walkman" [17:05] oooooh, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/2012-03-13%2013.07.12.png [17:06] Fire up GIMP! :) [17:06] installing firefox [17:06] yeah, gimp should be fiun to use on a touch screen [17:07] this seems more stable than the others i tried [17:08] I won't believe it's yours until I see Firefox with a copy of today's Grand Rapids Press, and a GIMP window open with the words "Alea iacta est" enscribed in Liberation Mono. [17:08] Only then will I believe. [17:08] gr press uses mlive now [17:09] That's fine too. :) [17:09] http://www.mlive.com/grpress/ [17:20] definitely not the fastest device [17:21] took at least 30s to start FF [17:21] brousch: Try running LXDE on a P2. I'm sure it's comparable. [17:22] you would choose the super-bloated and annoying mlive, wouldn't you [17:58] snap-l: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/2012-03-13%2014.02.18.png [17:59] gimp is definitely not fun on a touchscreen [17:59] at least not on a small one [18:00] oh, and i didn't have liberation mono installed so i went with dejau sans bold [18:00] <_stink_> that's awesome. [18:02] maybe i can give it some touchscreen love with theme changes. make buttons bigger [18:02] what? install liberation mono! [18:02] rick_h_: it took 30mins just to install gimp! [18:03] dude, sudo apt-get install liberation-ttf [18:03] sorry, ttf-liberation [18:03] must have fonts [18:04] brousch: Doesn't count. :) [18:04] Actually, I was half-joking, but damn that is awesome. :) [18:05] Just ordered some public-domain music. :) [18:06] http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.110601 <- can't order it directly from Naxos, though, because of screwball copyright [18:07] and now it's out of memory [18:23] greg-g: tricky (c) question for you if you have a moment [18:25] if someone takes a piece of music that has entered the public domain, and cleans it up a tad, can they claim copyright on the cleaned up version? [18:26] n/m, found my answer: http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:No_Sweat_of_the_Brow_Copyright [18:26] interesting [18:27] http://www.naxos.com/SharedFiles/pdf/rear/8.110601r.pdf# [18:42] :) [18:42] one sec [18:46] snap-l: so, people "claim" copyright on that shit all the time, but would it stand up in court? Probably not [18:46] brousch: http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid_cookbook/en/latest/deployment/heroku.html [18:49] heh, they're pushing cherrypy/ [18:50] yea, but you can swap that with gunicorn [18:52] greg-g: Yeah, that's what I thought. [19:41] my conclusion: it works, but it's too slow to be really useful [19:43] <_stink_> in general, or using the gimp? [19:43] in general [19:43] everything GUI is slow [19:43] might be useful for command line stuff [19:44] you have all of the linux command line programs [19:44] including vim [19:44] brousch: Wonder if it's using a non-optimized driver? [19:44] on what are you running? [19:45] your d630? [19:45] jrwren: nook color [19:45] snap-l: the graphics are fine. everything seems to peg the CPU [19:46] brousch: Right, because it's not able to take advantage of hardware optimization [19:46] also i hit the ram limit if i run more than 2 things [19:46] so in essence it's having to dump that work on the CPU [19:46] ah, maybe [19:47] But the real question is can it play Doom? [19:48] doom hasn't been ported to android yet? [20:01] https://github.com/halgari/clojure-py [20:01] I think my head just exploded. [20:05] beautiful isn't it? [20:07] It's buggy, though [20:08] Just running (def x 6) \n (def y 36) caused it to puke [20:16] ouch [20:33] I bet static typing would have caught that error [20:41] Blazeix: Har har [20:41] i got openbox and firefox running from the chroot using the android xserver [20:41] can't click anything though [20:45] brousch: Your tenacity amazes me [20:45] that was easy [20:46] kill vnc in the chroot; export DISPLAY=localhost:0; start android xserver; openbox&; firefox [21:08] ocaml-py would be impressive :p