[00:15] <nathwill> *yawn*
[00:15]  * nathwill loves wordpress
[00:25] <bkerensa> nathwill: why
[00:29] <nathwill> oh lots of reasons
[00:29] <nathwill> mainly that it generally makes sense
[00:29] <nathwill> and by being so widely used, is easy to support a huge array of sites by being familiar with its architecture
[00:30] <nathwill> also, started to lose my objectsions to its use with the 3.3.x releases
[00:30] <nathwill> so clearly they're listening to user feedback
[00:31] <bkerensa> nathwill: do you use a framework or vanilla wordpress?
[00:46] <nathwill> personally, it depends
[00:46] <nathwill> for clients, wordpress
[00:46] <nathwill> my sites, i build my own framework for apps
[00:46] <nathwill> or for my blog i use jekyll
[00:46] <nathwill> depends totally on the purpose
[00:47] <nathwill> you pick what's appropriate
[00:47] <nathwill> i'm actually going to be publishing the base framework pretty soon on github
[00:47] <nathwill> once i clean it up a bit
[00:47] <nathwill> there's a noticeable gap in the market between the ultra-lightweight and the full-fledged frameworks
[01:05] <bkerensa> :D
[01:06] <bkerensa> nathwill: I would love to use something like jekyll or better yet Wok (just like jekyll but developed in Oregon) but transitioning my WP theme to static would be a nightmare
[01:06] <bkerensa> well it is a nightmare I already tried to with the Wok devs at OSU
[01:06] <bkerensa> :D
[01:08] <Subway1> i am subway
[01:16] <bkerensa> nathwill: Im working on a Subway juju charm atm
[03:32] <nathwill> urgh
[03:32] <nathwill> stupid system crash
[03:33] <nathwill> on the bright side, nailed  the backend code for handling dynamic form submissions on the first go :D
[06:38] <cy1> Meh, I hate qmake...
[06:38] <cy1> "Want to set some cflags for every compiled object in some subdirs? HA SORRY YOU SHOULD HAVE USED AUTOTOOLS"
[06:39] <cy1> "Profiling? Why would you ever want to do that?"
[06:42] <bkerensa> adam_g: working on my first juju charm
[06:42] <cy1> juju wat
[06:43] <bkerensa> juju charm
[06:43] <bkerensa> juju.ubuntu.com
[07:03]  * blkperl hopes coderwall gets launchpad intergration
[07:21] <yuler> I've MyPaint installed on the HD (Ubuntu), but because I'm using 10.10, the Wacom Bamboo tablet does not work properly.  The tablet works with newer kernels.  Since I don't want to update just yet, I want to use a LiveCd and run MyPaint from the HD.  However, MyPaint will not launch.  Any ideas how to diagnose this?
[07:31] <bkerensa> yuler: I am not too familiar with mypaint
[07:31] <bkerensa> I think most people are sleeping atm but perhaps if you e-mail to the mailing list?
[07:32] <bkerensa> yuler: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-or
[07:32] <bkerensa> I know the wacom does work on 11.10 and 12.04
[07:42] <bkerensa> yuler: I am not too familiar with mypaint
[07:42] <bkerensa> I think most people are sleeping atm but perhaps if you e-mail to the mailing list?
[07:42] <bkerensa> yuler: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-or
[07:42] <bkerensa> I know the wacom does work on 11.10 and 12.04
[07:53] <yuler> Yes, I've tested the Wacom under newer kernels.  No problems.  My concern is running a pgm off the HD from a newer kernel LiveCd.
[07:59] <bkerensa> yuler: that could likely cause problems... I have never really ran a program off the local filesystem from a livecd
[08:01] <yuler> I have, but even if it didn't, it won't break anything.  I understand dependencies change.  I just want to know how to trace the steps to determine why a pgm (e.g. MyPaint) does not run.
[08:13] <yuler> My first pass was to find a LiveCD that has MyPaint installed, but from what I can tell, they all allow it to be installed, which defeats the purpose of running from a LiveCd.
[08:22] <bkerensa> yuler: Yeah I dont think you will find a livecd as a core package
[08:22] <yuler> The openartist distro does, but it's 2.8GB 64-bit.
[20:53] <cy1> mypaint has the best tablet stroke response of any program I've used. It's criminal that GIMP hasn't shamelessly duplicated the mypaint algorithms yet.
[22:59]  * bkerensa slaps lubotu1